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Would We add Food? (was: A Visit to the Downeast Scenic)
« on: June 19, 2016, 02:03:04 PM »
On Saturday (6/18) I took a ride on the Downeast Scenic Railroad in Ellsworth (http://www.downeastscenicrail.org). The consist had two restored coaches book-ending an open car that had folding chairs and picnic tables. The first and last quarters of the car were sheltered from the sun. Motive power was a 1950 ALCO S4 (#1055). A feature of possible interest to WW&F folks is that they sold snacks and bottled water both at the station and aboard the train. The price of these items was extremely reasonable - $1 each. The ride is quite long, 90 minutes, as it involves a trip north (with a run-around), followed by a trip south to the Washington Junction wye, followed by a return to the boarding area behind Cadillac Mountain Sports. BTW, the trips use the parking lot of the old Ellsworth station, now home of the Maine Community Foundation, managers of our endowment. :)

The runaround seemed to take quite a while. I wonder if that's because of dealing with the air brakes, and I wonder if dealing with our vacuum brakes will also lengthen the run-around time.

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Re: Would We add Food? (was: A Visit to the Downeast Scenic)
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2016, 05:18:25 PM »
John, we took that trip a few years ago. A nice ride. Perhaps we should consider the snack option when we lengthen our ride. Maybe a snack bar at the run around point with restroom facilities (poly john)
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Re: Would We add Food? (was: A Visit to the Downeast Scenic)
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2016, 05:33:51 PM »
John, we took that trip a few years ago. A nice ride. Perhaps we should consider the snack option when we lengthen our ride. Maybe a snack bar at the run around point with restroom facilities (poly john)
The snack option was what I was thinking, especially since lack of food is the about the only complaint I've seen on TripAdvisor. There are two drawbacks: someone has to stock and sell the goodies, and there's more trash and crumbs.

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Re: Would We add Food? (was: A Visit to the Downeast Scenic)
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2016, 05:44:29 PM »
I'd also believe we need to be concerned about keeping things authentic. I think this means more to people that what we offer- they want the expeience offered to match their expectation of what 1910 looks like. We have some distractions from that authenticity now, however, we generally do a good job.

That being said, if we are to add something, how cool would it be if it was historically based like someone coming through the cars selling fruit, penny candy, etc. that would both serve a practical purpose and reinforce the authenticity of he experience. A win-win! As far as I know, no one in the U.S. Is doing anything like this, however several in the U.K. do and it is great!

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Re: Would We add Food? (was: A Visit to the Downeast Scenic)
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2016, 07:38:16 AM »
I'd also believe we need to be concerned about keeping things authentic. I think this means more to people that what we offer- they want the expeience offered to match their expectation of what 1910 looks like. We have some distractions from that authenticity now, however, we generally do a good job.

That being said, if we are to add something, how cool would it be if it was historically based like someone coming through the cars selling fruit, penny candy, etc. that would both serve a practical purpose and reinforce the authenticity of he experience. A win-win! As far as I know, no one in the U.S. Is doing anything like this, however several in the U.K. do and it is great!

Stephen
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Re: Would We add Food? (was: A Visit to the Downeast Scenic)
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2016, 09:42:12 AM »
Not Harvey Girls but News Butchers.

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Re: Would We add Food? (was: A Visit to the Downeast Scenic)
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2016, 01:05:58 PM »
Not Harvey Girls but News Butchers.

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Re: Would We add Food? (was: A Visit to the Downeast Scenic)
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2016, 02:32:24 PM »
A couple of careers ago, I ran short line railroads. On a few occasions, we operated charter trains for local railfan clubs. On one trip, we had a combine with its baggage section set up as a snack car, with a counter, coolers, etc. They sold soda and various packaged snacks, as well as hot dogs. They did okay, but not great. The next time we did the trip, a couple of years later, the combine was not available, and instead we leased three coaches. The club folks had a couple of fellows carrying good-sized wicker baskets through the train every hour or so, peddling sodas and packaged snacks. They were sold out an hour or so before the trip was finished, and I believe they could have sold more if they'd had more supplies.

Of course, as mentioned above, selling soda and snacks means more cleanup and more trash, not to mention thoughtless folks throwing their empty cans and wrappers out the window. Someone would have to go through the train after every trip to clean up spills and crumbs, and the trash containers would need to be emptied on a regular basis. Any volunteers? Some serious consideration of the pros and cons must be given before embarking on this path. Personally, I favor no food or drinks on the train, but that's just me. 

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Re: Would We add Food? (was: A Visit to the Downeast Scenic)
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2016, 09:14:12 PM »
Selling snacks on board may seem like a good idea, however then you need a license, trash cans, and keeping the cars clean will be terrible. I do not miss cleaning up soda spills or sweeping up popcorn, etc during trips. Not fun. Look at the ice cream social, similar thing.

However, if a snack bar were to be built, might I suggest utilizing a replica car like Coach 6 for example where the old mail counter could house the snacks and beverages with little to no changes and guests could ride in the car as well, and have a seat or two removed for handicap reasons.

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Re: Would We add Food? (was: A Visit to the Downeast Scenic)
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2016, 05:31:28 AM »
I'd also believe we need to be concerned about keeping things authentic. I think this means more to people that what we offer- they want the expeience offered to match their expectation of what 1910 looks like. We have some distractions from that authenticity now, however, we generally do a good job.

That being said, if we are to add something, how cool would it be if it was historically based like someone coming through the cars selling fruit, penny candy, etc. that would both serve a practical purpose and reinforce the authenticity of he experience. A win-win! As far as I know, no one in the U.S. Is doing anything like this, however several in the U.K. do and it is great!

Stephen
I think the biggest issue here at hand is that people want to have the 1910 experience without the 1910 inconveniences. One could offer say a breakfast biscuit wrapped in wax paper at the main station for the trip, or sell some small candies on the train en-route but honestly food was something that the passenger had to think of. Then you have the food licensing issues as well and all those issues. The only thing I can think of is if there were someone who could do a period food wagon on an old Ford or something like that or a food cart, period correct.

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Re: Would We add Food? (was: A Visit to the Downeast Scenic)
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2016, 12:17:26 PM »
I believe we've had this discussion before. Concerns were raised at that time about litter, licensing, inspections, personnel, etc. As far as I know, nothing has changed with respect to any of those important issues. At the time, someone suggested vending machines, but they come with their own set of concerns. If we really, really feel the need to offer some sort of food, probably a food truck would be the best bet, with the operator paying the WW&F a percentage of his sales. At least that's my opinion.

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Re: Would We add Food? (was: A Visit to the Downeast Scenic)
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2016, 12:59:55 PM »
Until there is reason for the majority of visitors to spend more than a couple of hours at the museum, I believe there is little need for regular food service.

I do agree with the suggestions for an outside vendor if the need arises. I also agree with the sentiment that the vendor should support the historical and authentic experience that the WW&F is known for. A vendor that does not mesh well with, or deviates from what we are trying to accomplish could take away from the overall experience at the railway. Instead, any vendor should enrich the visitors experience not just in terms of offering convenience, but also authenticity.

Steve
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Re: Would We add Food? (was: A Visit to the Downeast Scenic)
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2016, 02:12:00 PM »
I'm not exactly sure how well "period food" would work. In general, people's diets and tastes have changed a lot since 1900 or even 1930. I can remember my mother talking about eating toast with bacon drippings on a fairly regular basis during the Depression, for example. How many 21st century visitors would line up for that?


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Re: Would We add Food? (was: A Visit to the Downeast Scenic)
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2016, 03:14:26 PM »
Bacon? I'm in.
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Re: Would We add Food? (was: A Visit to the Downeast Scenic)
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2016, 03:21:55 PM »
Not bacon, Mike. Just the grease. On bread.