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Re: The Franklin, Somerset & Kennebec Railway (FS&K)
« Reply #180 on: March 30, 2017, 01:35:33 PM »
As further evidence of how close it came to being built, I came across a railroad map published in 1901 that shows the FS&K.

Produced by the New England Railway Publishing Co. in Boston, a firm best known for their pocket-sized "Baby Pathfinder Railway Guide", the ABC Pathfinder Railway Guide Map shows the entire US railroad system on two big poster-sized sheets, each roughly 29 x 44 inches, one for the eastern US and one for the western US. It's apparently well known among collectors of old maps, but I hadn't heard of it until I saw a copy of the eastern US map listed for sale recently (and since sold) by an antiquarian map dealer in New York:

http://www.geographicus.com/P/AntiqueMap/EasternUnitedStates-railwaypublishing-1901

Zooming in on Maine, you can see there is a dotted line between Waterville and Farmington -- the FS&K! Wiscasset to Albion is labelled as the WW&F rather than the W&Q, but the Winslow branch is another dotted line, apparently still unfinished. The level of detail is amazing, with even tiny flag stops like Chelsea on the KCRR included. (See attachment.)

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Re: The Franklin, Somerset & Kennebec Railway (FS&K)
« Reply #181 on: March 30, 2017, 07:09:26 PM »
Philip, that is pretty great.  I had one of the State of Maine that was probably about the sames size, 1901, and had the line from Farmington to New Sharon.  Girlfriends (later to become wife) dogs ate it.
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Re: The Franklin, Somerset & Kennebec Railway (FS&K)
« Reply #182 on: March 30, 2017, 10:01:20 PM »
Interesting that almost all of those red lines actually existed at one time!

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« Reply #183 on: March 31, 2017, 05:25:27 AM »
Interesting that it shows the Rockland, Thomaston & Camden St Ry as well

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« Reply #184 on: September 18, 2017, 01:05:33 PM »
So, this is a long promised portion of the Franklin County Connection that I managed to uncover this spring.

The first piece here is the survey plan for the Waterville & Wiscasset Railroad, commonly referred to as the Winslow Branch.  This line took the railroad from China, in the village of Weeks Mills, to the village of South China, through Vassalboro and the villages of East Vassalboro and North Vassalboro, past the American Woolen Company's mills and the "Beanery" canning factory, and into Winslow.  The plan also will show you the planned route across the Kennebec River, through the lower end of "the plains" area of Waterville, across Summer and Silver Streets, across Messalonskee Stream and to the station grounds at Western Avenue and Cool Street.

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The woolen mills in North Vassalboro were initially a tannery, the original buildings (wood frame) were taken down and the first of three primary buildings (brick) were built.  The oldest portion of the mill is the southeast building dating to the 1860's, then the center west building was built 1880's/90's and finally the southwest building was constructed in the 1900's/10's.  I am not sure of the exact dates and will check with Ray next time I pop in to visit.  The brick building on "the green" is where the company offices were located and now is occupied by a great store selling items from SEVERAL area artisans ranging from Rays own "Deadwood Designs" wood tables and crafts, to wrought iron fixtures, loads of jewelery, canned goods, soaps, and tons more.  Tell Linda that I sent you.

The Maine Central Station was located about 4/10 of a mile north of the WW&F station on the west side of the tracks near the current Winslow Automotive and Tire.  Until the Lockwood Mills were built in the beginning of the past century the industrial "heart" if you will was on Bay Street (RT 201) from the area of Fort Halifax (basically the whole green space) to the bridge to Waterville (I believe the eastbound side of the bridge was originally the trolley bridge and the westbound side was the former iron bridge for the roadway.

Lithgow Street would have been what I would have called the business center of Winslow, with the industrial center to the north.  At one time there were buildings on both sides of the street and the portion of RT 201 between the two ends of the street wasn't planned until the 1930's.1

Summer Street and Silver Street are show at inverse angles to their actual position, the distance between the streets actually increases as they head south.
The spacing of Oakland Street and Western Avenue as a little off, they apparently are generalized and just sketched in.  From the best I can determine thus far the railroad would have crossed Messalonskee Stream on a tangent with the current Wilson Park, which was sub-divided circa 1920.

Silver Street is named as such because the three wealthiest residents of Waterville lived on the street in the early 1800's reportedly with more wealth between them than the whole of Waterville combined.2  Cool Street was named for one of the earliest settlers.2

Note that there are scant station marks (the numbers written as '000+00.0 beyond the Vassalboro / Winslow town line and there are hardly any indication as to the degrees of curvature.)  Also in Waterville at Cool Street is a compound curve, one of two or three I think between this plot and the one of the W&Q from Wiscasset to Albion and the second W&Q from Albion to Burnham.

Also note that the measurements begin at 0 in Waterville and not Weeks Mills.  The Waterville station grounds on this plan and those shown on the FS&K through Kennebec county don't line up very well, so clearly there was a lot of this that was still open ended.

I haven't come across any deed transfers or damage claims for the ROW west of the Kennebec, and despite the stated scale on the plans of 1"=400' the numbers don't match up, sometimes they are WAY off, the only thing that is consistently on point are the degrees of curvature, I will point out the discrepancies later.

The commissioners records for all three counties though do have the damage claims listed for the W&Q, W&W, and the FS&K.

The Kennebec County Commissioners records for railroad right of ways are missing!  They are in three volumes and were never transcribed for ease of reading.
 Kind of a big deal in regards to Maine record retention laws.  No one knows where they are and the people at the state archives are not too impressed with this.  But, they are supposed to be on microfilm, somewhere, and the original books are supposed to be retained, so I will keep looking.

Also, i haven't come across any road crossing filings with the railroad commissioners covering the road crossings from the Winslow station to the Waterville station, about 6 crossings.  I am hoping that the Kennebec Commissioners records can shed some light on this.

Neither Franklin or Somerset County have any knowledge of similar maps for the FS&K through their territories but, they do have the written surveys copied into the original books laying out the railroad with direction, distance, and curvature information and most of it lines up very well with what we know was built and when it is merged into the Kennebec County plot of the FS&K.

More of course is coming!

The below images are linked, so clicking on one should take you to my uploads on imgur.

      
 
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Re: The Franklin, Somerset & Kennebec Railway (FS&K)
« Reply #185 on: September 19, 2017, 11:05:04 AM »
Fantastic, Paul!

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Re: The Franklin, Somerset & Kennebec Railway (FS&K)
« Reply #187 on: May 04, 2018, 04:53:11 AM »
Hey Everyone,

   The FS&K has always been right up there on my two footer favorites list.  I was at Sheepscot over the Spring Work Weekend and had an all too brief chance to look at some of the FS&K related material that the museum recently acquired.  In the short time I got to read some of it I realized what a treasure trove of info we now have and combined with the what other guys on this discussion have discovered, it all points to a very fascinating story still waiting to be told, that never has been completely told.  I hope this discussion continues and jells into some kind of (book?) project to put it together and get the story out.
     I'll bet that somewhere in that New Sharon/Farmington Falls area there are more FS&K construction photos waiting to see the light of day, too.  Please, let's keep this going!

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Re: The Franklin, Somerset & Kennebec Railway (FS&K)
« Reply #188 on: May 04, 2018, 11:14:13 PM »
It is fascinating isn't it? Equally fascinating to me was the Atwood proposed Maine Midland Railroad Co. It was intended to leave the FS&K at Farmington Falls and continue to Livermore Falls with a roughly 'J' shaped route.

Here are the articles of incorporation on pages 211-215:
https://books.google.com/books?id=9D44AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA213&lpg=PA213&dq=maine+midland+railroad+company&source=bl&ots=yTrKVTPPxw&sig=lRKm8AqGVklkXP1vs9MY_eDIUZA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwicstPE2O3aAhXExlkKHVvtAdYQ6AEIgAEwBw#v=onepage&q=maine%20midland%20railroad%20company&f=false

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« Reply #189 on: May 07, 2018, 09:46:58 AM »
That's funny.  I was reading about the Maine Midland while eating breakfast this morning.  It seems Atwood was determined, for a time, to connect Farmington Falls with either a standard gauge connection or a port.  He had stared a pulp mill there and perhaps that was his goal, to connect his business enterprises to the outside world via rail, who knows?  When the Farmington connection failed he moved to the Waterville and Wiscasset and tried to work from the other direction.  What I found interesting was that some rail was laid "at various points" between Farmington and New Sharon, which was later taken up by a Franklin Construction Co crew and taken somewhere.  The sources I've read aren't sure just where.  It would be interesting to see if any spikes could be found on the old FS&K ROW to verify where some rail was actually laid.  There are many questions still unanswered and I am hoping that the newly found documents will provide some answers.

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« Reply #190 on: February 24, 2019, 07:02:50 PM »
Hello Glenn, all,

Did these maps ever get photographed or otherwise reproduced?  It’d be great to have a record of the FS&K location in this area. 

Perhaps it’s made it onto the google map of the FS&K?

Does anyone know of any references to the mill siding south of Farmington station that the FS&K cut a switch into?  I can’t find that reference...

Thanks,
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« Reply #191 on: December 07, 2020, 06:01:27 PM »
Hello FS&K enthusiasts, First time on here in awhile. I've been out of service for a long time.  Health issues restricts further investigation of the FS&K impossible.  I have a large folder of Farmington Chronicle articles to about 1900, copied from the archives located at University of Maine, Farmington Library.  I would like my research to get into hands of a real FS&K interested person.  In my past museum associations not much interest exists in the Waterville to Farmington extension.  I'd be happy to meet and deliver for free all my notes or mailing can be an option at cost.  Just let me know if you'd like everything I possess.  I still think the Atwood dream was an important aspect of WW&F development.

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« Reply #192 on: December 07, 2020, 07:06:49 PM »
Hi Glen,

Please reach out to Linda Zollers, WW&F Archivist: archivist@wwfry.org (or call her at the museum, she is there often.)

She is compiling a great deal of information on the FS&K and hopes to get a book published. I'm certain she would like to hear from you as she is very interested in the subject.
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« Reply #193 on: December 08, 2020, 05:53:53 AM »
Hi Glenn. Glad to hear from you. Hope you are doing well.
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Re: The Franklin, Somerset & Kennebec Railway (FS&K)
« Reply #194 on: December 13, 2020, 12:27:16 PM »
I have a large folder of Farmington Chronicle articles to about 1900, copied from the archives located at University of Maine, Farmington Library.  I would like my research to get into hands of a real FS&K interested person.  In my past museum associations not much interest exists in the Waterville to Farmington extension.  I'd be happy to meet and deliver for free all my notes or mailing can be an option at cost.  Just let me know if you'd like everything I possess.  I still think the Atwood dream was an important aspect of WW&F development.
Hi Glenn,  it is my understanding that Linda Zollers has tried reaching you via email, but that hasn't been successful so far.   Is there a possibility that your email address has changed?

Perhaps you could  call Linda at the Museum main phone number and leave a message for her if she doesn't answer: 207-882-4193; or send her email at: archivist@wwfry.org

------------------ Update:
I believe that the 'contact' issue has been resolved.   Glenn provided me his cell number which I have passed on to Linda.
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