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Ira Schreiber

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A New Baldwin 2-4-2
« on: January 29, 2009, 11:42:34 PM »
Check this out.


http://rypn.sunserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=26999

Your chance to be a part owner.
If they do well enough, #12 may be in our future.

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Re: A New Baldwin 2-4-2
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2009, 01:17:15 AM »
762 pounds = approx $1100.

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Re: A New Baldwin 2-4-2
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2009, 08:10:45 AM »
I should point out that building new locomotives is not infrequently done Over There.  The Ffestiniog has built at least 2 new locomotives in the last 15 years (if I'm not mistaken, Taliesin and Merddyn Emrys)

Stephen Hussar

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Re: A New Baldwin 2-4-2
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2009, 11:22:40 AM »
They're lucky that the "LYN" was also given the number 762...as it allows them to ask for 762.00 pounds per share... With regard to our No 7/11 project, asking for $11. isn't going to get us very far. Maybe we should ask for donations in the amount of $711.?

Some photos of a nice model of the LYN: http://flickr.com/photos/trainsandstuff/sets/72157608037815951/

John Kokas

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Re: A New Baldwin 2-4-2
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2009, 09:12:07 PM »
True Steve,

How about $1100?  That works out to be about 750 pounds (sterling).
Actually, if two units were built certain costs could be shared and overall price would be reduced.  Anybody think'in what I'm think'in?
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Re: A New Baldwin 2-4-2
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2009, 10:03:58 PM »
Oh yeah John, we've been thinkin' that too...it's really a manpower issue. As it is we're looking at an 8-10 year project...unless we can corral a large corporate sponsor, the by-product of which would serve to underwrite hiring a couple of full-timers...

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Re: A New Baldwin 2-4-2
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2009, 11:19:43 PM »
As it says in the RYPN announcement, it will have higher pressure, and a few other refinements. Actually, the pressure is planned to be 210 lbs, with superheat and piston valves!  It was originally 180 lbs, with slide valves.  So that the purists won't be too upset, the piston valves will be hidden in a chest that looks like the old slide valves!  With the higher pressure and other modern improvements, it will be more powerful and also more economical to run.  There has been some discussion on another forum about whether it should have the straight stack like most Baldwins, or the traditional British chimney with a flared capped copper top.

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Re: A New Baldwin 2-4-2
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2009, 08:05:15 AM »
Actually what I'm thinking is if this was to be built "across the pond", then do it there and ship to Portland (contract out).  Yes there is some additional cost for shipping but that would probably be offset (to a degree) by the reductions in cost by building multiples.......  The other advantage is if there are any technical problems, those get fixed on the prototype and the second unit will avoid them.

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Stephen Hussar

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Re: A New Baldwin 2-4-2
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2009, 09:47:21 AM »
I could perhaps see another group doing that, that does not have the facilties or know-how, but not the WW&F. There is supposedly a group in California building a brand new 2-foot gauge railroad...I can imagine that they may be interested.

A big part of building a new locomotive at Sheepscot is the value in the learning experience for so many of the volunteers. In fact in order to carry "the torch" of steam forward into the future, we need more projects like this here in the US.

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Re: A New Baldwin 2-4-2
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2009, 12:48:48 PM »
Great point Steve, then maybe the option is to buy an engine in "kit or knock-down" form and do all the assembly and final machining in-house.  Definitely would save some more bucks......
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Re: A New Baldwin 2-4-2
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2009, 02:07:22 PM »
Might be better to get them to build just the running gear and boiler then ship that so the rest can be finisher here. That way we chose what she looks like.

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Re: A New Baldwin 2-4-2
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2009, 06:35:58 PM »
About financing a project like this Stephen Hussar said that $11 would not do much. I disagree $11 is more affordable to more people so even people like young Matt could russel up $11 where $1100 or $711 would be tuff and nothing said anyone who can afford more can't give more.

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Re: A New Baldwin 2-4-2
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2009, 09:26:02 PM »
Agreed..........

If everyone who is a member and those "visitors" could pony up $11 or $9 (for #9) just once a year would be an extra $10,000+.  Not chicken feed.......

Even better was eveyone contributing every month and watch how fast things get done......... cheaper than eating out.........

Old Chinese proverb:  Many little brooks make a mighty river..
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Re: A New Baldwin 2-4-2
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2009, 09:23:33 PM »
Even better was eveyone contributing every month and watch how fast things get done......... cheaper than eating out.........

John,

Current operating procedures call for a thank you letter acknowledging every donation. If everybody donated a little every month the overhead in processing would be tremendous. How about saving the amount every month and sending it in once a year?

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Re: A New Baldwin 2-4-2
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2009, 10:55:04 PM »
Frank your point is well taken. So my thought was sell shares in the project like buying stock in a company @ $11 a share so if someone wants to buy multipal shares they can do that. If a person wants to be involved they need to deside how many shares they can afford at onetime then if more shares need to be sold if they want more they can buy again. But for us poor fokes we can still be a part of a really great project in a manner each of us can afford.