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B&SR RR slide show in Waterford, Maine on April 24, 2025
« on: April 26, 2025, 06:55:42 PM »
Adam Cook of the Bridgton & Saco River Railroad Museum put on a slide presentation at the Wilkins House in Waterford, Maine, last Thursday evening. The church hall was comfortable for the good turnout of Waterford Historical Society members, town residents and friends.

Adam spoke for 90 minutes on both the railroads history and current efforts to begin construction at the museum's site on Home Run Drive in Bridgton.

One of the slides shown was of the Bridgton boxcar frame that was recently donated to the group. Board members have done some preliminary work to that frame towards the day (when constructed into a flatcar) it will then be used for track work. Adam explained that ultimately, the piece will be restored as a boxcar.

At the end of the talk, Adam conducted a question and answer session. We briefly recalled the loss of two former
Bridgton cars at Edaville in years past. Those being the former coach no. 17 (and known as "Elthea") when in service at Edaville and the former Bridgton boxcar (listed as no. 9 on an Edaville equipment roster dated July 7, 1948) and known at Edaville as "the grille car". I mentioned to Adam that both of those cars were reduced to their frames and shipped to Phillips, Maine during the 1999 management transition (at Edaville) from South Carver Rail to Cranrail Corp.

Adam stated that he was aware of that, and then mentioned how the Sandy River & Rangeley Lakes Railroad Museum had acquired a former Sandy River coach body that needed a frame. He said that both of the Bridgton frames yielded parts and framing that were used in the coach project. I did not know that and was very.pleased to learn of that.

We also discussed the demise of former Bridgton combination car no. 25 and how it had served as the Mayfair Diner on Depot Street in Bridgton for many years. Edgar Mead wrote in his "Busted and Still Running" about the good breakfasts served each morning, beginning at 6:30 AM.

The modern day Bridgton crew will likely have some interesting posts on their Facebook page shortly, and I would encourage all to check it out.
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Re: B&SR RR slide show in Waterford, Maine on April 24, 2025
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2025, 07:25:11 PM »
Thank you for the report Bruce. I was hoping to make it but forgot all about it.
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Re: B&SR RR slide show in Waterford, Maine on April 24, 2025
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2025, 07:29:51 PM »
Almost forgot to mention this. Adam recalled the Bridgton Railroad as being the last above ground, two foot gage, common carrier. His words caught me a little of guard, before I put my hand up to suggest what the last line to check out actually was. He told me I was correct with the name I gave and I don't want to say it here so you might have some fun figuring it out too. I'll come back here at some point and put up a comment with the name.
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Re: B&SR RR slide show in Waterford, Maine on April 24, 2025
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2025, 07:39:11 PM »
Thank you for the report Bruce. I was hoping to make it but forgot all about it.

Sorry you missed it Mike. I was the only two-footer in the house and it was great to see how Adam related to the group. Everybody left enthusiastic.
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Re: B&SR RR slide show in Waterford, Maine on April 24, 2025
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2025, 09:44:58 AM »
I thought it was the 2x6 that was the last. No?
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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2025, 10:33:20 AM »
I thought it was the 2x6 that was the last. No?

You are correct as to the Monson Railroad running longer than the Bridgton. What Adam asked was a bit tricky in that he stated "above ground common carrier". As Monson was not a common carrier, Bridgton was the last (above ground).

The answer Adam was looking for was the Chicago Tunnel Company, which is the "below ground" last common carrier of two foot gage.

Old photo collectors may recall back in the 1970's, the late Bob Werner, Jr. began selling 5" X 7" black and white prints from his hobby shop in Plymouth, Massachusetts. Local narrow gage fans would visit the store each Friday and buy whatever new prints Bob had made up over the previous week. Bob told me that he "doled out" a half dozen or so each week, to build up foot traffic in his store.

Two fellow W.W. & F. Ry. Museum members that I know of, went each week to buy what eventually became around 200 prints.

Within that collection was one photo of a two foot gage electric freight motor. The machine was pictured at the Baldwin Locomotive Works in a builders photo pose. Presumably, a Chicago Tunnel Company motor, the tiny unit had the standard (full size) Baldwin builders plate.

I was fortunate to receive the entire photo collection from Channing H. Morse, Jr. before he passed away. The Morse collection has many of Linwood Moody's photos, though without the classic red backstamp of "Moody Railroad Photos - Union, Maine - Eda Charlene Heald, Agent"

(Sorry, Mike...more than you wanted to know!  🙂)
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Re: B&SR RR slide show in Waterford, Maine on April 24, 2025
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2025, 11:13:17 AM »
I knew about the Chicago Tunnel. There was a recent video of the remnants of that. Very interesting.
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Re: B&SR RR slide show in Waterford, Maine on April 24, 2025
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2025, 01:10:20 PM »
Bruce, I'm surprised by your assertion that the Monson wasn't a common carrier. It was certainly a common carrier earlier in its history, so do you mean it had ceased being a common carrier by the 1940s?

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Re: B&SR RR slide show in Waterford, Maine on April 24, 2025
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2025, 02:25:21 PM »
Based on the Bob Hungerford collection of the Monson Business files from the Monson Station Superintendent's file (which were given to the WW&F Archives but later transferred to the Monson Historical Society) I believe the Monson kept its Common Carrier status until 1942 - and during the last year only handled three of four trips for the Slate Company by non-common carrier rules.
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Re: B&SR RR slide show in Waterford, Maine on April 24, 2025
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2025, 03:44:55 PM »
Bruce, I'm surprised by your assertion that the Monson wasn't a common carrier. It was certainly a common carrier earlier in its history, so do you mean it had ceased being a common carrier by the 1940s?
 

Thank you Phillip for weighing in on this. Yes, I knew the Monson had common carrier status. For some  reason, I equated the cessation of Monson passenger service in 1938, with the end of the common carrier arrangement. In consulting the Bob Jones "Two Feet to the Quarries", I find that in July of 1943, Monson transferred their common carrier standing from rail to truck. For a brief period, the truck was housed within the engine house and a locomotive stored outdoors.

Based on this, the Monson outlived the common carrier status of the Bridgton road. Exactly when the Chicago Tunnel Company discontinued their arrangement is not known to me off the top of my head. I'd have to dig a bit to find my book on that railroad...and I might do that with some rain upcoming in the forecast.

I do know the Monson closed in 1944 and recall an enjoyable correspondence with Merwin Wilson (no relation) who was an avid Monson fan and a gentleman I met one day in the early 1970's at Edaville. I was firing Monson no. 3 for my father and Merwin and I exchanged mailing addresses.
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2025, 04:01:34 PM »
Based on the Bob Hungerford collection of the Monson Business files from the Monson Station Superintendent's file (which were given to the WW&F Archives but later transferred to the Monson Historical Society) I believe the Monson kept its Common Carrier status until 1942 - and during the last year only handled three of four trips for the Slate Company by non-common carrier rules.

Thanks for your help with this also Allan. I do remember the Hungerford collection of Monson materials that you had directly brokered the donation of. That collection effectively filled the original archives room in the Percival house, with boxes stacked nearly 6 feet. As I knew you had scanned every piece within that collection, I never even looked at it. At that time, I was organizing a payroll records collection (of W.W. & F. Ry. employees) that was given to us by member Allan Socea and going through Harry Percivals' papers. The big project at that time (for the archives committee was copying the David Register collection with the goal of getting that done quickly so as to gain the trust of the donor, and therefore be able to receive the balance of that collection, which was to be Mr. Registers photos of the W.W. & F. Ry.

As the Register collection was within a wonderfully captioned though pulp paper and glue scrap book, each page was professionally copied before each photo was removed and then copied. The end result is a recreation of what David had assembled. This project ran about $5,000 and kept me focused on it until completion.

I do understand that after Linda had taken over as Archives Committee Chair, that the Hungerford collection went on to Monson. I had conservatively estimated a figure of $10,000 for preservation and copying of that incredible collection and that now was over 10 years ago.
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2025, 04:41:59 PM »
Within this thread, I mentioned Monson Railroad fan, Merwin Wilson. I was just thinking of him after logging off and thought I might come back in case any reader might have known him and corresponded with him.

As I said, we wrote letters back and forth in the 1970's. Merwin had come down for his annual visit to Edaville. He lived in Welch's Point, Connecticut. Allan, you may have known him, maybe too Roger may have known him.

As was common back then, a visitor to Edaville could have a cab ride simply by going in to see Jack Bryden or Brenda Johnson within the Edaville station. Merwin did this and rode a trip in no. 3 with my father and I.

A month or so later, Merwin mailed me some of his Monson photos. I took them to Bob Werner and he selected one, possibly two for his own collection and to make copies for his customers. Bob had said that at least one was an unpublished image, which at that time, wasn't very significant to me.

What I took away from Merwin and others in the years to follow, was the.love of hobby these guys had and how freely they shared. The sharing of photos and ephemera was their way of encouraging my own interest and those of other young men around me.

It was perhaps that same summer, that I went up to knock on the door of the Ellis D. Atwood office. Mrs. Atwood answered and after we talked briefly, she went down below the office. Shortly, she returned and gave me an assortment of the first Edaville passenger schedules from the 1940's.

I enjoy remembering the good things of life and luckily choose a hobby where such memories are plentiful.
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