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Graham Buxton

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Re: Switch lanterns on high mast switches
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2020, 10:03:55 PM »
The products shown here can make the type of raised metal lettering that John describes:
http://shortorderproducts.com/em-metal-tape-embosser.html
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Re: Switch lanterns on high mast switches
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2020, 11:26:52 PM »
Thanks Graham, now to find one cheap on EBay or if someone knows of an antique one laying around... (hint)
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Re: Switch lanterns on high mast switches
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2020, 11:36:20 PM »
There's one switch lamp that won't need a nameplate. The first Dressel that was restored for WW&F use in 1999 has a WW&F Railway plate on the lens door.

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Re: Switch lanterns on high mast switches
« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2020, 12:12:19 AM »
Remember olden days Dymo Label Makers?  ::)     Before handheld computerized label printers?  :D

Well, there is a Dymo labeler that uses stainless steel or aluminum 'tape' to produce metal labels:
https://www.dymo.com/en-US/rhino-m1011-embosser-kit-label-maker


The price is more affordable:
https://www.labelcity.com/DYMO-M1011-METAL-TAPE-EMBOSSER
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Re: Switch lanterns on high mast switches
« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2020, 09:33:01 PM »
Thanks Graham, much more of what I need.  But before I start down that road I need to throw out the question to everyone although it probably needs to be finalized by the BOD.

Question:  If a newly acquired switch lantern has a Railway ID tag should we ?

(a)  remove it and replace with a WW&F tag since it is now WW&F property

(b)  keep the original tag and add a second WW&F tag to show its lineage

(c)  do nothing,  keep original lineage tag with no WW&F tag

Now I have located an early Dressel with no tag or marking whatsoever, that will get a WW&F tag.

Please chirp in so I can have a consensus.  Thanx
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Re: Switch lanterns on high mast switches
« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2020, 10:49:02 PM »
Keep the original & add a WW&F tag
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Re: Switch lanterns on high mast switches
« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2020, 02:19:27 AM »
I will agree with Allan

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Re: Switch lanterns on high mast switches
« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2020, 06:36:57 PM »
Same here. Both tags.

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Re: Switch lanterns on high mast switches
« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2020, 08:08:33 PM »
Agree, but I don't know squat about the intricacies of railroad lanterns.  I only know I have a bunch of them for dramatic display at home...

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Re: Switch lanterns on high mast switches
« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2020, 08:16:34 PM »
I agree on both tags... but with a twist.
Attach the WW&F tag OVER the Rutland RR tag, so that the Rutland marking is covered up. This preserves the heritage of the artifact, but adapts it to the WW&F. If that isn't practical, then just put on both tags.
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Re: Switch lanterns on high mast switches
« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2020, 09:18:35 PM »
I have to go with Allen, both tags and not cover up the original.

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Re: Switch lanterns on high mast switches
« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2020, 12:02:20 AM »
All interesting opinions, but all devoid of reference to any actual standards, which in a museum setting should raise alarm bells when it comes to the treatment of an "artifact" - a status conceded by Ed.   Is the concern that a WW&F Museum visitor might see the "Rutland" lettering on the lamp and become hopelessly confused, thus justifying what amounts to ruining the incongruous artifact in order to create a more satisfying fake?  Or is the concern that someone might steal the lamp and try to sell it, in which case making an irreversible alteration to a supposedly-rare object to identify present  ownership seems a fairly drastic conservation choice to inflict on an artifact....

Again, personal opinions are interesting, but what are the WW&F Museum's actual standards in such cases?  Once could perhaps imagine a museum adhering to standards for the conservation of artifacts under which it's considered perfectly acceptable to destroy the integrity of one historic object in order to facilitate group make-believe that it's really something else, but wouldn't it be easier to simply admit that this is effectively what's being proposed?  In which case - why is it acceptable to alter a Rutland lamp in this fashion, but not, say, an original SR&RL one?




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Re: Switch lanterns on high mast switches
« Reply #42 on: November 25, 2020, 01:24:21 AM »
I assume :-) that the tag will be soldered on so any alteration can be reversed.
Alleviating concerns.

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Re: Switch lanterns on high mast switches
« Reply #43 on: November 25, 2020, 01:45:42 AM »
I'm not sure I wanna go down the rabbit hole of discussing historical value and "artifacts", but I'm going to add a small part of my two cents.

All of this stuff was designed to be used and that included moving to new railroads and having new identification affixed to them (examples: #9 & coach 3). It's a normal act to add the WW&F tag along with the Rutland tag (although practice would be to replace it). It's not being destroyed by adding the tag if it's reversible. Collecting things and not using them is a waste, and in this case they'll be treated better even with that use than they have been for a long time.
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Re: Switch lanterns on high mast switches
« Reply #44 on: November 25, 2020, 06:45:43 AM »
You are absolutely on the right track...
My thoughts. In Europe the common organization of museum railways, Fedecrail, has designed the Riga Charter:
https://www.fedecrail.org/en/index_en.html
that gives some guidance for what is really the incompatible effort of both preserving and using historical artefacts.
Which really is totally contradictory to the established principles of normal museums.

Please note the articles 10 and 11 of the charter: As you have already said, changes should be reversible.
But also a record should be kept for the changes. We think that a good way to keep this record is to mark every new
component and spare part with a year stamp. By this it is forever clear what parts are original, and what have been changed in preservation.
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