World status of two-foot gauge Baldwin(ish) locomotives

[Glenn Christensen]

Hi,

I was just doing a little thinking and thought I'd see if anyone can add to this list:

Number of currently operational two-foot gauge Baldwin locomotives in the world today:

I can think of 4 operational locos, 3 to 5 more under repair, and 3 being constructed new. 
They are:

Brecon Mountain Rwy (UK) - 1 operational (4-6-2), 1 under repair (2-6-2), two being constructed new (2-4-4RT and 2-6-2)
Leighton Buzzard Rwy (UK) - 1 operational (4-6-0T)
DHR (India) - 1 operational (0-4-0T)
Dreamwold (Aus) - 1 operational (4-6-0T)
WHR (UK) - 1 under repair (4-6-0T)
Maine Narrow Gauge (US) - 1 under repair (2-4-4RT)
WW&F (US) - 1 being constructed new (2-4-4RT)

Any others?  EFPP (Brazil) 2-4-0 under repair?, Ashover (UK) 4-6-0T under repair?)


Best Regards,
Glenn

[Philip Marshall]

To the "under repair/restoration" list, I think we should include S.D. Warren No. 2 (0-4-0T) at Boothbay.

There is also this mysterious little Baldwin 0-4-0T in New Jersey, which I understand has recently been rescued and may (or may not) be under restoration. It appears to be similar to the S. D. Warren engines:

http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=27130


The steamlocomotive.info site lists several other two-foot gauge Baldwins around the world as "operational", for example South African Railways No. 62 (4-6-2, Baldwin C/N 42634, 1916) in Randfontein, SA, but I don't know how current this information may be. (B&SR No. 8 at MNGRR is also listed as "operational", for what it's worth.)

http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=16552I

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Class_NG10_4-6-2

Does anyone know the current status of this beautiful engine? It appears quite similar to the 4-6-2 at Brecon Mountain (which I know is not ex-SAR), and strongly resembles SR&RL No. 23.

[Philip Marshall]

The steamlocomotive.info site lists several other two-foot gauge Baldwins around the world as "operational", for example South African Railways No. 62 (4-6-2, Baldwin C/N 42634, 1916) in Randfontein, SA, but I don't know how current this information may be. (B&SR No. 8 at MNGRR is also listed as "operational", for what it's worth.)

http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=16552I

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Class_NG10_4-6-2

Does anyone know the current status of this beautiful engine? It appears quite similar to the 4-6-2 at Brecon Mountain (which I know is not ex-SAR), and strongly resembles SR&RL No. 23.

I see now that the ex-SAR NG10 4-6-2s have already been discussed here: http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php?topic=1538.0

[Glenn Christensen]

Thanks Phil!  Here's what I have on these locos.

To the "under repair/restoration" list, I think we should include S.D. Warren No. 2 (0-4-0T) at Boothbay.
< Yup, I forgot #2.  That has to be included in the list.>

There is also this mysterious little Baldwin 0-4-0T in New Jersey ...
< A new one on me.  Looks like she's in pretty tough shape.  Anyone know any more? >

The steamlocomotive.info site lists several other two-foot gauge Baldwins around the world as "operational", for example South African Railways No. 62 (4-6-2, Baldwin C/N 42634, 1916) in Randfontein, SA, but I don't know how current this information may be.
< The latest I have heard, no status changes on #62, she seems to be consigned to static display for now. >

B&SR No. 8 at MNGRR is also listed as "operational", for what it's worth.
< She is not serviceable or under repair as of this writing. >

Best Regards,
Glenn

[Philip Marshall]

B&SR No. 8 at MNGRR is also listed as "operational", for what it's worth.
< She is not serviceable or under repair as of this writing. >

Exactly, which is why the "operational" status of other engines on steamlocomotive.info shouldn't be taken as fact. The information may be long out of date, or even entirely incorrect.

[Philip Marshall]

Some background on the engine in New Jersey:

http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30716

http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30717&hilit=baldwin+new+jersey

It's in very rough shape, so I appear to have jumped the gun a bit by implying it might be restored, but it does exist.

[Glenn Christensen]

Thanks Phil!

Your information is good to know.


Best Regards,
Glenn

[Mike Fox]

Tough shape is being generous when describing that. Wow. To even cosmetically restore it will be something. Asbestos must still be in the jacket if it sat for that long

[John L Dobson]

I can think of 4 operational locos, 3 to 5 more under repair, and 3 being constructed new. 
They are:

Brecon Mountain Rwy (UK) - 1 operational (4-6-2), 1 under repair (2-6-2), two being constructed new (2-4-4RT and 2-6-2)
Leighton Buzzard Rwy (UK) - 1 operational (4-6-0T)
DHR (India) - 1 operational (0-4-0T)
Dreamwold (Aus) - 1 operational (4-6-0T)
WHR (UK) - 1 under repair (4-6-0T)
Maine Narrow Gauge (US) - 1 under repair (2-4-4RT)
WW&F (US) - 1 being constructed new (2-4-4RT)

Any others?  EFPP (Brazil) 2-4-0 under repair?, Ashover (UK) 4-6-0T under repair?)


Best Regards,
Glenn

The Lynton & Barnstaple Railway in UK is building a replica of Lyn, the Baldwin 2-4-2T built for the original company in 1898 that became Southern Railway No.762. It is currently expected to be finished in 2015.

[Glenn Christensen]

My bad!  I left that one off,

Thanks John!


Best Regards,
Glenn

[John L Dobson]

If you aren't restricting yourself to steam locomotives, then another addition would be Moelwyn, the WW1 petrol locomotive bought by the Ffestiniog in the 1920s. Originally an 0-4-0 it's now a 2-4-0 diesel, with a Gardner 4LK engine. It retains its original superstructure and Baldwin gearbox, running gear, etc. The front bogie was originally made in 1957 from half of a Krupp Feldbahn wagon bogie, and bits of angle iron from a scrapped slate wagon. It's since been rebuilt using bits from a WW1 Hudson type 'D' bogie wagon.

The Moelwyn name is also something of an Anglo-Welsh pun on Baldwin. It's the name of a local mountain, but in Welsh 'wyn' means bald.

[Philip Marshall]

The Moelwyn name is also something of an Anglo-Welsh pun on Baldwin. It's the name of a local mountain, but in Welsh 'wyn' means bald.

How funny! The Welsh tend to have a very playful sense of humor.

I think it's the "moel" part that means bald, however. My mother's maiden name was Moylan, which in Irish Gaelic (a language closely related to Welsh) also means bald.

-Philip Marshall

[John L Dobson]

The Moelwyn name is also something of an Anglo-Welsh pun on Baldwin. It's the name of a local mountain, but in Welsh 'wyn' means bald.

How funny! The Welsh tend to have a very playful sense of humor.

I think it's the "moel" part that means bald, however. My mother's maiden name was Moylan, which in Irish Gaelic (a language closely related to Welsh) also means bald.

-Philip Marshall

You are quite correct. I should have checked with my son, who is learning Welsh.

Moel = bare hill
wyn = white

[Thor Windbergs]

Hi,

I was just doing a little thinking and thought I'd see if anyone can add to this list:

Number of currently operational two-foot gauge Baldwin locomotives in the world today:

I can think of 4 operational locos, 3 to 5 more under repair, and 3 being constructed new.  
They are:

Brecon Mountain Rwy (UK) - 1 operational (4-6-2), 1 under repair (2-6-2), two being constructed new (2-4-4RT and 2-6-2)
Leighton Buzzard Rwy (UK) - 1 operational (4-6-0T)
DHR (India) - 1 operational (0-4-0T)
Dreamwold (Aus) - 1 operational (4-6-0T)
WHR (UK) - 1 under repair (4-6-0T)
Maine Narrow Gauge (US) - 1 under repair (2-4-4RT)
WW&F (US) - 1 being constructed new (2-4-4RT)

Any others?  EFPP (Brazil) 2-4-0 under repair?, Ashover (UK) 4-6-0T under repair?)


Best Regards,
Glenn

In Germany at the Frankfurter Field Railway Museum we have an original Baldwin 50hp 0-4-0 Gas mechanical entering restoration this year....

EFPP (Brazil) has no Baldwin near restoration, if the Group ever gets moving again and finances they would probably restore the No.10 2-6-2T. Most are at collection sites of Km10.5 Natura, Km5.5 Corredor or Km1 Perus Cement Plant, one is in the original city/railroad Dumont where it came and I know of 2 more 0-6-2ST in good condition private as well as probably 3 converted from 60cm to 1m...where do you draw the line. EFOM has lots of 76cm 2ft6 Baldwins with 2-3 operational in San Joa do Rei.

Steam Locomotives of the EFPP & CBCPP - 60cm gauge                                      No   AAR   Original   Builder   Bldr. #   Yr. Blt.   Cylinder   Driver Dia.   Source   arrival EFPP   Original Name   Location/Condition 2011                                   1   062ST   062ST   BLW   14963   07-1896   9"x16"   33"   Cantareira Nr.6   1925   "Theodoro Carvalho"    2   260ST+T      BLW   ?   ?            1925   "Florindo Beneducce"    10   262T+T   262T   BLW   40675   09-1913   12"x16"   33"   Paulista-Nr.911   1960       11   260   060   BLW   11892   05-1891   13"x18"   36"   Ramal Dumont No 3   1942       12   260   060   BLW   14275   04-1895   11"x18"   36"   Ceramica SaoCarlense   1942   "Procopio"   Dumont-SP - 13   260   060   BLW   18897   04-1901   11"x18"   36"   Ramal Dumont No 5   1942       14   262T+T   262T   BLW   40674   09-1913   12"x16"   33"   Paulista-Nr.910   1960       15   260   262T   BLW   11980   06-1891   12"x16"   33"   R.F.Campineiro. Nº2   1961   "Campinas"    16   460   460   BLW   32694   02-1908   12"x16"   33"    Dourado No 5   1961      Perus 17   240   240   BLW   37399   12-1911   11"x16"   33"   Cantareira Nr.2-2   1961

[Glenn Christensen]

Hi Thor!

Thanks for the updated status and loco spec EFPP information.  And thanks too, for all your dedicated work in 2' railroad preservation.


Best Regards,
Glenn