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Keith Taylor

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Detroit Bull's Eye Lubricator
« on: September 29, 2011, 09:58:04 AM »
I found this diagram of a Detroit Bull's Eye Hydrostatic Lubricator.
Some of the engine crews may find this helpful.

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Re: Detroit Bull's Eye Lubricator
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2011, 04:59:37 PM »
How exactly does this thing work? I get some of a drift of what it does but not 100% sure.

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Re: Detroit Bull's Eye Lubricator
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2011, 09:57:43 PM »
Here's a diagram (I hope) that shows the basic principle. Boiler steam is condensed and ledf to an oil reservoir where it sinks to the bottom and displaces the oil upwards, through an overflow tube and then to a manifold where individual fed lines tap off. The crew adjusts the rate of flow (a drop every so many seconds) to each line with an adjusting knob on he end of a needle valve.

The diagram is in a neat book "How Steam Locomotives Really Work" by P>W>B> Semmens & A.J. Goldfinch,  Oxford U. Press, paperback 2003, 338 pgs with index.  It's written by Brits and shows mostly British locos but most of the principles apply to steam locos everywhere.

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Re: Detroit Bull's Eye Lubricator
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2011, 10:04:59 PM »
Sorry for all those typos.....I was afraid I'd get timed out.

The WW&F steam crew can correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I think the procedure is to shut off the lubricator when the loco is not working, but turn it on when you start again. I suffer from concentration lapses big time, and if I were engineer, as sure as God made little green apples I'd shut it off at a station stop and then forget to turn it on again. After a little while, I imagine it'd be goodbye valves, seats and cylinders, and me trying to book a flight out of the country.

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Re: Detroit Bull's Eye Lubricator
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2011, 04:59:26 PM »
So that's how it all works.  Thanks, Steve!

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Re: Detroit Bull's Eye Lubricator
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2011, 03:41:33 PM »
The WW&F steam crew can correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I think the procedure is to shut off the lubricator when the loco is not working, but turn it on when you start again.

Hi Steve,

That's exactly what you want to do, and the reason is twofold.

The first reason is that you don't want to be wasting cylinder oil when the locomotive isn't in motion. While having a little extra oil in the cylinders is never a bad thing, you can run the risk of running the lubricator out of oil during normal operations. While a lubricator can be a nuisance to fill while cold (steam oil flows about as well as molasses when cold), it can be downright scary to fill one while it's hot. Since a lot of these lubricators are 50+ years old, sometime the valves can be a little...tempramental, which could lead to a nice "sizzle, pop, OUCH!" moment while trying to refill the resivoir. In the old days, round house managers would actually keep track of how much steam oil over the reccomendations was used by engineers. I can't say exactly why at the moment, though.

The other reason is because leaving the lubricator steam feeds on means that you are feeding live steam into the cylinders. Any steam going to the cylinders has the very real ability to make the locomotive move. In the event that the locomotive was "in gear" (the johnson bar to forward/reverse), the cylinder cocks closed (can happen with them open, too), and the brake off, the loco could move without any throttle being applied. While that is an extreme set of circumstances, it doesn't mean it couldn't happen. At MNG, we will sometimes do our hookups this way as the lubricator feeds more than enough steam to move #4 while she is a "light engine".
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Re: Detroit Bull's Eye Lubricator
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2011, 12:15:46 PM »
Thanks for your post, Bill!

Your second paragraph gives a good example of how steam, even though flowing through a small line, can do big things when it accumulates behind a piston.

I just saw another interesting example in an old issue of Railway Mechanical Engineer, about the Pennsy's Class I-1s decapods. At the time they were designed, they were notable in having a very short cutoff in full gear—only 50 percent. The purpose was to make more use of the expansive power of steam in drag freight service than had been typical.

But with a full-gear cutoff that short, a locomotive stopped at various positions of the cranks wouldn't have been able to start. To get around the problem, the designers included a pair of tiny auxiliary steam ports at each end of the valve chamber on each side of the locomotive—four tiny pairs in all. The combined cross-sectional area of one pair was only 3/8 of one square inch. But when the steam passed by one pair accumulated against a 30-1/2" diameter piston, the force was enough to start a heavy freight train.

There was no provision to close those auxiliary ports. I think the reason was that once the locomotive got the train rolling at even a very slow speed, the action of the auxiliary ports became negligible. They couldn't pass steam fast enough to be a factor once the engine got rolling. I presume the concept was successful, because one website I consulted states that the Pennsy acquired 598 of those decapods. I think that same site mentioned that the original design was modified, but I don't know if any changes involved the auxiliary ports.


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Re: Detroit Bull's Eye Lubricator
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2011, 10:00:37 PM »
Correction to my 10/30 post: The Class I-1 decapods had 30" dia cylinders, not 30-1/2".

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Re: Detroit Bull's Eye Lubricator
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2011, 09:32:17 AM »
Correction to my 10/30 post: The Class I-1 decapods had 30" dia cylinders, not 30-1/2".
Phew! I was worried about that..... ;D

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Re: Detroit Bull's Eye Lubricator
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2011, 07:40:18 AM »
Back in 1969, I was on a 42", 2-6-0 hauling a cane train in the P.I.  There was a leak on the union supplying the lubricator.  The fireman decided to tighten it.  Well he forgot "righty tighty, lefty loosey" and turned it the wrong way and filled the cab with steam.  With the aid of a wet rag and his old wrench, he was able to reconnect it.  He did burn his hands doing it,  Lucky for me, I had choose to ride on the tank top and not make this run as the engineer.  On one run, I was doing my oil around and found the right hand side cross head guide hanger bolts almost worked out.  They did find a wrench and tighten them to continue our run back.  Running cane trains down the mainline to the mill was a real kick.  There were shacks built within an arms length from the track.  You could reach out from the cab a touch them.  People and water buffalo would walk down the track in front of you and all you could do was lay on the whistle and hope you didn't hit them.  The conductor would say, "don't slow down, they'll move".