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Messages - Dave Crow

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Hi Ben,
Several things for your consideration.  First, flatcar #118 was one of the "newer" flatcars, so it's length is basically the same as boxcar 309, not like the shorter flatcars of the W&Q.  Next, most of the flatcars had (and we still have) boards that were held up by the stakes in the stake pockets.  There were plans for "hopper" cars, of which I believe flatcar #118 was to be a part of; the truss rods were bunched on each side so that sections of the floor could have been hinged to open.  The sides and ends would have mounted into the stake pockets, too.  The Maine State Archives has the original plans from the Portland Company.  In fact, there was a discussion here on the forum several years ago that centered around what car(s) t build next, and a hopper car had been proposed for hauling ballast for constructing the Mountain Extension.  As it was, we managed to build it without a special freight car.  There was also the issue at the time of lacking spare complete trucks and couplers to build a freight car that was just that - a freight car - and not something like a flat car, which can have slatted sides and bench seats installed for carrying passengers.

Hopefully someone else will chime in with a link to the other post on the forum that discussed the hopper cars.
Dave Crow

Work and Events / Re: Coach 9 - Official Work Thread
« on: April 12, 2021, 08:26:03 AM »
Very nice work, Eric and Ron!  And Harold, for the amazing amount of prep work on this kit!

Work and Events / Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
« on: March 22, 2021, 07:32:24 PM »
Mosquito, black fly, dog tick, deer tick...

Work and Events / Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
« on: January 20, 2021, 09:14:15 PM »
What about the trackage in the Guinness brewery in Dublin? Is the track construction in India based on English railway engineering?

Museum Discussion / Re: Maine 2' Flatcar Blueprints
« on: January 20, 2021, 02:17:09 PM »
Yes, but I believe the plans the museum has are copies of the originals at the Maine Archives.  You can order copies for yourself.

Bob Jones' book had material lists for some of the various freight car orders W&Q/WW&F purchase from Portland Co.  The material lists do show the dimensions of the center, intermediate, and outer sills as well as dimensions for the end beams; in fact, all the dimensions for every stick of wood on the cars.  There are also dimensions for the various bits of steel, wrought iron, and cast iron, too.

Museum Discussion / Re: Switch lanterns on high mast switches
« on: November 25, 2020, 08:33:45 AM »
Not many members of the general public will be getting up close and personal with a switch lantern mounted on a high mast...

If we are worried about theft, why not mark somewhere inconspicuous (on the inside or the bottom) that the lantern is the property of the WW&F Ry Museum?

Dave Crow

Work and Events / Re: Coach 9 - Official Work Thread
« on: November 13, 2020, 10:58:52 AM »
Are the top plates just temporary, as I thought the hood beams were continuous with the carbody?

Work and Events / Re: Electric Building - Official Work Thread
« on: November 13, 2020, 10:51:34 AM »
Great work, Start!


BSM is 5 feet 4 and a half inches, about 2 inches wider than Pennsylvania Standard Gauge.

From someone that built a fair bit of the track there...

Dave Crow

Museum Discussion / Re: Outside the box idea for revenue
« on: July 09, 2020, 12:07:55 PM »
Well, there is historical precedent in that some of the Sandy River equipment became hunting camps.  A replica caboose or boxcar could be turned into a camp, although we have plenty of other things on the burner now.

Museum Discussion / Re: Wheel standard and turnout drawings
« on: June 18, 2020, 09:45:04 PM »

I believe I was told  the rigid wheelbase of the various pieces of equipment likes a minimum frog number of 8.  The frogs (and the subsequent points) we machined for the north yard were number 8.  The frog angle is approx. 7.125 degrees (7 deg 7' 30"), and the switch points were 2 deg 12'.

Yes, the Maine State Archives have the Portland Company drawings, including one for the hollow, cast iron freight car wheel. 

Dave Crow

Work and Events / Re: TCDA No. 65 (Reefer) - Official Work Thread
« on: June 02, 2020, 02:44:22 PM »
Looking at the boxcar plans from which we built the replica car, the outer sills are 4-3/4" x 8" and the center 4 sills are 3-3/4" x 7".

Dave Crow

Museum Discussion / Re: Pictures of brakes on boxcar #309
« on: June 01, 2020, 03:28:05 PM »

Boxcar 65 was delivered with body-hung brake beams, I believe, as part of the 1906 10-boxcar order (65-74).  Virtually all freight cars on the WW&F had hand brakes only, and on the truck closest to the brake wheel, which made the brake rigging pretty basic (and easy to create when we installed brakes on several cars about 15 years ago).

I will try to dig up some of my photos of the underside of flatcar 119 that show the method of suspension for the brake beams.

Dave Crow

Looks like a farm implement caught the rail near the joint, snapped the bars and bent the rail; you can see beyond, near the far end of the crossing, that the rail that should join with this one is also bent slightly out as well.  i would guess the ties have either rotted away or damaged to the point of needing replacement, too.

Dave Crow

In addition to what Alan wrote, there was hesitation to install the ladders and the brake staff due to the fact that we didn't want kids climbing on the car while it was on display in Wiscasset.  I remember finding the brake wheel up in the locked storage room on the second floor of the carshop; the original brake staff had somehow been cut up by someone thinking it was rod bar stock and not a brake staff...  I could not find the lower brake staff stirrup nor the upper plate; I made measurements of 309's hardware in the thought of making replacements in Baltimore, but never got around to it.

Take a look at Peter Barney's book on WW&F freight cars as well the Gary Kohler and Chris McChesney's books on the WW&F; brake arrangements for the sister cars might be seen in various photos.  One thing that may or may not be true: the creamery cars might have had a pass-through vacuum brake line so the passenger cars behind it in the train would have a vacuum line for brakes.  Others more knowledgeable may chime in as well as the photos in the books mentioned may guide you as well.

Dave Crow

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