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Title: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 14, 2021, 05:31:22 PM
On Saturday the board of director voted to build the roundhouse this year. We made the Sheepscot roundhouse five feet longer than the Wiscasset version and we will have a full 40' x 10' inspection pit in the run through bay. Visible site work should start by the end of April. J

Jay Wiley has been doing all the drawings and renderings of the roundhouse.

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Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Piche on March 14, 2021, 09:46:23 PM
I notice a distinct lack of smoke jacks in this. Will bays 1/2 not have jacks to eliminate the need to wheel the engine outside for fireup (and also for dumping the fire since a smoke jack can vent the gasses out)? Or will the idea be to wheel the stack outside the door to do the fireup half in the building or something?
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on March 14, 2021, 09:54:30 PM
How deep will the pit be? I can remember sitting on the edge of the Bay 4 pit to drill holes in Number 10's frame, and it was great. There (and presumably in the new pit) water ingress was a problem.
John M
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Piche on March 14, 2021, 10:05:22 PM
How deep will the pit be? I can remember sitting on the edge of the Bay 4 pit to drill holes in Number 10's frame, and it was great. There (and presumably in the new pit) water ingress was a problem.
John M

If I'm reading the plans correctly, about 3 1/2 feet. A bit short for me but would make checking the pedestal binders a lot easier.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 14, 2021, 10:17:15 PM
What is the enclosure in the rear corner of Track 2? And what are the six circles between Track 2 and Track 3 representing?
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 14, 2021, 10:22:58 PM
All the stalls will have smoke jacks. The pit will be 4’ deep from the railhead to the floor. There will be   a sump in the pit for a sump pump equipped with an oil water separator.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 14, 2021, 10:31:07 PM
What is the enclosure in the rear corner of Track 2? And what are the six circles between Track 2 and Track 3 representing?

The enclosure at the back of the second stall is the roundhouse office / clean room. Space was requested for a clean room for working on gauges and other small items. The circles represent the lube oil and water treatment drums. Doesn’t mean the drums will end up in that spot, we just know the drums have to end up in the building somewhere.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mark Spremulli on March 15, 2021, 07:37:33 AM
Where will engines 4 & 8 go when this is built?
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Scott on March 15, 2021, 08:08:20 AM
Is it planned to have a drop pit? If so, that should not be in the through road as through movements would then be obstructed. A drop pit should connect two parallel roads so that a wheel set can be passed from one to the other, via a connecting pit.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on March 15, 2021, 09:09:28 AM
Is it planned to have a drop pit?

The inspection pit Brendan mentioned in post#1 is visible in several images.   One of the images shows that a portion of the pit to be wider. Below is a  larger screenshot of the pit detail ....
(https://i.postimg.cc/vmkhPvnr/Bigger-pit.png)




    (It is useful to look at the images with a big monitor.)  :)   


Note: After I posted my original response, it occurred to me that 'drop pit' and 'inspection' pit were not really the same thing.  So I was modifying my post as Mike posted his.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 15, 2021, 09:16:24 AM
By drop pit, I am assuming he means wheel drop pit. One of those is not planned at this time.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on March 15, 2021, 09:22:14 AM
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Where will engines 4 & 8 go when this is built?

The details of those locomotives' next "home" have not yet been announced. Obviously, they (and the coal pile) will need to be repositioned so that construction can begin this spring.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on March 15, 2021, 11:47:23 AM
I remember there was discussion at one point of having a blacksmith shop either inside or attached to the roundhouse. Is this still part of the plan, or will the forge remain outdoors?
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on March 15, 2021, 01:06:43 PM
The bumpout on the east side of the roundhouse that was to be the blacksmith shop, was eliminated so that we can have an additional track on the east side of the roundhouse. This will allow access to the north yard via the turntable without needing to pass through bay one. Operationally, this is much desirable, as it keeps the ability to use the north yard as a run-around. As part of this reconfiguration, the "kink" in the existing run-through track will be eliminated.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on March 15, 2021, 01:13:24 PM
Great ! To coin a phrase everything comes in threes. After the pavillon, the carbarn extension here is the roundhouse. An other exciting adventure to follow. But when looking at the drawings and renderings what surprises me a lot is the lack of a roof over the stalls except for the inspection pit one. How comes ?
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on March 15, 2021, 01:27:46 PM
The roundhouse will have a full roof. The illustrations are "cut away" so to reveal the contents and configuration of the interior.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Benjamin Richards on March 15, 2021, 01:45:06 PM
Indeed. The "trellis" roof is suitable for a garden arbor; not so much for a roundhouse ;D
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Piche on March 15, 2021, 02:39:52 PM
Is it planned to have a drop pit?

The inspection pit Brendan mentioned in post#1 is visible in several images.   One of the images shows that a portion of the pit to be wider. Below is a  larger screenshot of the pit detail ....

    (It is useful to look at the images with a big monitor.)  :)   


Note: After I posted my original response, it occurred to me that 'drop pit' and 'inspection' pit were not really the same thing.  So I was modifying my post as Mike posted his.

The entirety of bay 1 will be a pit. The idea being you can remove different sections of the floor to access different points as needed. All of the white sections you see are cover plates like the ones "removed" for you to see below the rails.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 15, 2021, 04:53:39 PM
The bumpout on the east side of the roundhouse that was to be the blacksmith shop, was eliminated so that we can have an additional track on the east side of the roundhouse. This will allow access to the north yard via the turntable without needing to pass through bay one. Operationally, this is much desirable, as it keeps the ability to use the north yard as a run-around. As part of this reconfiguration, the "kink" in the existing run-through track will be eliminated.
Is there a revised plan view of the proposed campus that shows the "additional track on the east side of the round house"?  Will the Bay 1 run thru track connect to the relocated north yard run-around track on the north side of the roundhouse?
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on March 15, 2021, 05:21:28 PM
Here you go. (white lines are 2' contours.)

Since I'm sure someone will question it, the "Coal Bin" out by the garage is for truck delivery purposes. A smaller coal pile is planned somewhere behind the roundhouse (along with a proper ash pit.)

Also the blue bumpout on the Car Barn Exhibit hall is a proposed concept only. If built, it is intended for storage and display of smaller motor cars and the SR&RL Railbus.

The current gully/drain between the roundhouse run-through track and the roundhouse lead track will be filled with a basin installed, etc. This also allows the run-around track to sneak by the East side of the roundhouse.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Rick Rowlands on March 15, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
As fast as the WW&F folks work, the next time I log into this forum I will probably see a post about the first loco entering the new roundhouse...
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Tom Casper on March 16, 2021, 09:55:55 AM
As fast as the WW&F folks work, the next time I log into this forum I will probably see a post about the first loco entering the new roundhouse...

Rick, Maybe you should log in more often!

Tom C.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on March 16, 2021, 10:06:16 AM
The first locos are already there - it's just that the roundhouse hasn't been built yet!
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on March 16, 2021, 02:54:09 PM
I am pleased to see the traditional wood hinged doors; not like the steel roll up doors I see on the East Broadtop Roundhouse in Pennsylvania.

The Roundhouse will be a great addition to the museum campus.

Ted Miles, Life Member
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Benjamin Richards on March 16, 2021, 04:07:22 PM
the steel roll up doors I see on the East Broadtop Roundhouse in Pennsylvania.

Though not quite as romantic, they ARE authentic in the EBT case.

Still, I wouldn't expect anything else BUT wood in Maine.

Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on March 17, 2021, 05:07:38 AM
The numbering of the bays appears odd to me.
On the car shop as you look at the building from the yard, they are numbered one through four from left to right.
On the round house drawings as you face the building from the turntable Bay one is on the right. I would think you would want a common numbering system where all tracks are numbered from left to right in ascending order.

Keith
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Piche on March 17, 2021, 11:11:47 AM
The ordering makes sense if you go by proximity to the mainline. Bay 1 is closest to the main on the barns.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on March 17, 2021, 11:19:49 AM
Literally every engine house I have ever encountered, and I worked for the railroad as a career the stalls were numbered left to right. Not from proximity to the mainline.

Keith
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on March 17, 2021, 11:28:34 AM
Here's the most recent timetable map of Sheepscot, not reflecting all the proposed changes in Ed's map earlier in this thread or turntable track laid for the MNG locomotives.

(https://i.imgur.com/yu0D2Vj.png)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 17, 2021, 12:28:57 PM
Remember, this is a mirrored replication of the Wiscasset Roundhouse. The track 1 there was the run through track. Ours will be the same.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Piche on March 17, 2021, 01:03:23 PM
Literally every engine house I have ever encountered, and I worked for the railroad as a career the stalls were numbered left to right. Not from proximity to the mainline.

Keith
I'm not saying it's not weird, it's just what makes the most sense (other than Mike's comment about the building being mirrored).

It could be worse. They could use the New Haven system and every track away from the mainline is even on one side and odd on the other (which would make the runthrough track 17 and the bays 19, 21, and 23)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on March 17, 2021, 01:42:02 PM
How about the PRR mainline scheme 1,2,C,and D?
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on March 17, 2021, 01:46:35 PM
yes.....but in Wiscasset Track one was on the left...
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on March 17, 2021, 07:07:33 PM
I share the sentiment to keep the bay numbering order the SAME as on the shop and carbarn.  I have enough trouble keeping track of them in my mind anyway, and this will just add to the confusion.  KISS.

Bob
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 17, 2021, 10:22:56 PM
Well, if you are looking at the back of the roundhouse, track 1 is on the left. No matter which side you stand on, track 2 is the center. Track 1 wi be the most frequently used track, being the in service track.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on March 17, 2021, 10:51:19 PM
I think we can all agree to find some middle ground on track 2.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on March 22, 2021, 11:27:57 AM
Conway Scenics stalls are right to left, stall 1, being the run through stall, then stall 2, then the shortest stalls being 3 & 4 furthest from the main line. Most railroads have numbered stalls or tracks starting out from the main line.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on March 22, 2021, 07:27:40 PM
OK, there are a zillion different schemes.  How then about figuring out how to prominently mark all of the bays on all of the buildings so that everyone can see those at a glance from whatever direction they are viewing?

Is it prototypical, not for the permanent employees back in the early 1900's.  But for our ever rotating cast of staff and volunteers, potentially very useful.

Bob
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 22, 2021, 08:04:34 PM
How about Letters, or maybe name each stall for a prominent Maine insect?
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on March 22, 2021, 08:32:24 PM
Mosquito, black fly, dog tick, deer tick...
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bernie Perch on March 22, 2021, 11:09:54 PM
The stalls in the shop are 1,2,3,4.  The stalls in the car barn should be 5,6,7 (any direction).  The stalls in the roundhouse should be 8, 9, 10 (any direction).  If the speeder stall is added to the carbarn it should be adjusted accordingly.  With this system, stalls would not need clarification.  When someone says go to stall 6, one immediately knows it is the center stall of the carbarn without any explanation needed.

Bernie
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 22, 2021, 11:19:26 PM
Dad burn Bernie, you are so clever...
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on March 23, 2021, 05:59:49 AM
 I think the answer is to just put visible numbers over the doors to identify them. Numbered anyway you wish.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 23, 2021, 09:14:53 AM
Bernie's suggestion makes sense.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 23, 2021, 09:20:08 AM
Numbers are already in place on the shop. I forget if the CB has them yet, but same sequence. The one closest to the Main is #1. This applies to all buildings no matter which way you are looking at them. All you have to know is where the main is.

And I disagree with Bernie. There is nothing wrong with each building having a #1 track. Shop track 1 gives you the location and track. Roundhouse track 1 does the same, as does Car Barn track 1 or shortened to Barn track 1.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 23, 2021, 09:43:06 AM
Left, center, right. R, C, L. No confusion there!
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Anthony Vo on March 23, 2021, 10:44:24 AM
How about Left/Other Right, Center, Right/Other Left?
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Benjamin Richards on March 23, 2021, 12:11:12 PM
Oh, Moderator...Moderation needed !!!!!  Warning: Thread split approaching  !!!! :P

Triplets have so many possibilities for namesakes...

Moe, Larry, Curly
Caesar, Pompey, Crassus
Wiscasset, Waterville, Farmington
Good, Bad, Ugly
Athos, Porthos, Aramis
Nina, Pinta, Santa Maria
snap, crackle, pop
position, velocity, acceleration

Oh I should stop.

Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on March 23, 2021, 12:14:13 PM
How about Left/Other Right, Center, Right/Other Left?
"This is my brother Darryl and this is my other brother Darryl" (Newhart Season 2)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on March 23, 2021, 02:32:15 PM
Let's use a Fibonacci sequence for our bay numbers: 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 22....
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on March 23, 2021, 03:38:45 PM
Huey, Dewey, Louie
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on March 23, 2021, 06:19:39 PM
Bringing this topic back on track, Trains News Wire covered the roundhouse project today:
https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/maines-wwf-museum-to-build-new-roundhouse/ (https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/maines-wwf-museum-to-build-new-roundhouse/)

Also, the announcement on Facebook has reached over 11,000 people - making it one of the most popular photo gallery-style posts that have been published.

Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on March 23, 2021, 07:14:53 PM
What a wild discussion.  You guys are always amazingly, crazily unpredictable.  Love it...

But I respectfully disagree with Mike, whose opinions I always value more than most.

I am intrigued by designating each stall on the campus with a unique number, but

Just prominently label each stall everywhere so noone gets confused!!

Bob
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 23, 2021, 08:05:50 PM
We can agree to disagree Bob.

My apprehension to numbering everything sequential is what happens, as has in the past, we add a stall to the roundhouse, car barn, or even the shop (5 tracks, wow..) What would we have to do then? Change each track up one? So the track 6 would become 7, or would the new bay become 4a?

I just think using the building, as we do now, followed by the track number, also as we do now, is the easiest way to have it.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on March 23, 2021, 08:14:16 PM
An computer-driven electronic display over each stall would solve this problem....
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on March 23, 2021, 09:09:29 PM
An computer-driven electronic display over each stall would solve this problem....
Sorry John, that's too modern.  We need a Solari board!
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Benjamin Richards on March 24, 2021, 09:39:45 AM
They still make 'em...

https://www.vestaboard.com/
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 24, 2021, 10:23:40 AM
Let's use a Fibonacci sequence for our bay numbers: 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 22....

Check your addition, James. 8)

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on March 24, 2021, 11:37:48 AM
An computer-driven electronic display over each stall would solve this problem....
Sorry John, that's too modern.  We need a Solari board!
When the MBTA replaced the South Station Solari board, there was substantial protest. To quiet the critics, the MBTA added a recording of the Solari clicking sound. Since the recording was not synchronized with actual display updates, it was totally useless.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on March 24, 2021, 11:41:54 AM
Let's use a Fibonacci sequence for our bay numbers: 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 22....

Check your addition, James. 8)

Jeff S.
You're right, should be 21.  We use fibonacci numbers at work for estimating the level of effort, with 13 being a mega project and is the highest we go (which is why I got 21 wrong).
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Benjamin Richards on March 24, 2021, 03:33:58 PM
When the MBTA replaced the South Station Solari board, there was substantial protest. To quiet the critics, the MBTA added a recording of the Solari clicking sound. Since the recording was not synchronized with actual display updates, it was totally useless.

That was truly silly of them. The programming wouldn't have been that hard. I found the clicking noise very useful when I rode Amtrak in my college days, as I often regarded it as one might regard notifications on a smartphone. Specifically, that the status of one or more trains was changing, and I should look for updates. In that way I only needed to be within earshot of the departure board, and not constantly stare at it.

Holy cow are we ever off-topic!
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on March 24, 2021, 06:40:51 PM
The removal of the Solari board in Penn Station Philly was a huge controversy...and a travesty to boot!
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 25, 2021, 09:33:30 AM
Let's use a Fibonacci sequence for our bay numbers: 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 22....

Check your addition, James. 8)

Jeff S.
You're right, should be 21.  We use fibonacci numbers at work for estimating the level of effort, with 13 being a mega project and is the highest we go (which is why I got 21 wrong).

Glad to hear that fibonacci numbers are being used in the real world (former HS math teacher speaking). I'm curious how this came about. Also, the series begins with two 1s, not one, though in your situation, the first 1 would serve no purpose.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on March 25, 2021, 10:00:09 AM
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Glad to hear that fibonacci numbers are being used in the real world

Probably the same way that Smoots became a valid unit of measure. Here's a screenshot of "my" software product (in a vain attempt to bring this discussion back on topic...)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Piche on March 25, 2021, 10:11:32 AM
Ed are those classic Smoots or recalibrated Smoots?
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on March 25, 2021, 10:18:27 AM
Glad to hear that fibonacci numbers are being used in the real world (former HS math teacher speaking). I'm curious how this came about. Also, the series begins with two 1s, not one, though in your situation, the first 1 would serve no purpose.
Jeff S.

I'm a software developer.  We use the Kanban method of agile software development.  As part of that we estimate the level of effort for a ticket.  1 and 2 are easy (ie, minutes of work), 3 and 5 is moderate (hours to days), and 8 is large (days to weeks).  Why we use Fibonacci and not something else I don't recall (probably our agile trainer).
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on March 25, 2021, 10:36:15 AM
Ed are those classic Smoots or recalibrated Smoots?

The unit of measure was not recalibrated. When Mr. Smoot was used to re-measure the Harvard bridge and the measurement came up slightly longer, the researchers concluded that the bridge must have been elongated during renovations.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Benjamin Richards on March 25, 2021, 10:56:05 AM
Probably the same way that Smoots became a valid unit of measure.

I can't believe a for-profit company would pay someone to implement that. Must be an MIT alum in your ranks!
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on March 25, 2021, 12:07:55 PM
No, the Project Manager (me) and lead software engineer (long time friend) just happened to have a sense of humor. (And this was prior to a the sale of the product to a large multi-national conglomerate (who phased out said lead engineer and lacks the same sense of humor.)

And there was precedent, as Google Maps had also implemented the Smoot. We were just being reactionary.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on March 25, 2021, 01:24:20 PM
From Wikipedia: Oliver Reed Smoot, Jr. (born 1940) was Chairman of the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) from 2001 to 2002 and President of the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) from 2003 to 2004.[1][2] In 2011 the American Heritage Dictionary admitted his decapitalized surname, "smoot", meaning a distance of 5’7”, as one of the 10,000 new words added to their fifth edition. The term is named for Smoot from his undergraduate days when he was used as a unit of measure on the Harvard Bridge at MIT during a fraternity pledge activity.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 25, 2021, 03:46:40 PM
Quote
Glad to hear that fibonacci numbers are being used in the real world

Probably the same way that Smoots became a valid unit of measure. Here's a screenshot of "my" software product (in a vain attempt to bring this discussion back on topic...)
Ed, and you thought measuring the Roundhouse in smoots would bring the discussion back on topic?  Hardie Har Har
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on March 26, 2021, 12:25:07 AM
So how many 5' Lithuanians does it take to make a 10' Pole? :-\ ;)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: William Simonton on March 26, 2021, 12:42:33 AM
A Pole is a customary unit defined as 16 1/2 US survey feet, equal to exactly 1/320 of a surveyor's mile, or a quarter of a surveyor's chain, and is approximately 5.0292 meters. The rod is useful as a unit of length because whole number multiples of it can form one acre of square measure.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on March 26, 2021, 08:41:21 AM
Well, after evaluating all of the  . . . alternative track identification schemes  ::) . . . presented over the last several pages of this thread, the track numbers shown on the map/diagram posted by Bill Reidy on page 2 of this thread look more and more positively rational. 8)

Below I have linked that map from page 2 again:
(https://i.imgur.com/yu0D2Vj.png)
(note: that is an example of a linked image from a 3rd party photo host, in this case, Imgur.com :) )
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 26, 2021, 03:43:26 PM
So what about the proposed outside storage track adjacent to roundhouse track 3. Will it be No. 4 or maybe 3A?
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 26, 2021, 05:01:19 PM
Outside tracks are named.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Piche on March 26, 2021, 06:30:01 PM
So what about the proposed outside storage track adjacent to roundhouse track 3. Will it be No. 4 or maybe 3A?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't turntable tracks that aren't attached to anything and aren't under cover called Garden Tracks?
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on May 08, 2021, 04:47:29 PM
Thursday we plumbed all the various drains together and extended the culverts 80 feet to fill in the drainage ditch between the yard and roundhouse site.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s5/bbarry74/IMG_3584.JPG?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/58e384d0-fdec-4da1-9e1e-c14e3edadb0c/p/82277a76-7878-4f0d-ba78-717b39c1a6aa)

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Fred breaking ground Friday morning.

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Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on May 09, 2021, 07:46:04 AM
Thank you so much for the report and pics. An other episode of Rebuilbing Maine History is building up.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on May 09, 2021, 09:48:13 AM
Quite an impressive bit of digging. Thanks for the photos.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Greif on May 09, 2021, 05:25:23 PM
Out of curiosity what is the time frame for reestablishing a connection to the turntable?  Will it be severed for the duration of construction or as short as possible?
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Benjamin Richards on May 09, 2021, 08:09:15 PM
I had heard the turntable would be usable by Memorial weekend.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on May 09, 2021, 09:18:03 PM
The photo below is from the 2016 Turntable Construction (https://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,2628.390.html) thread:

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/turntable/IMG_9257.jpg)

You can see the large drainage ditch to the left of the #9 locomotive. Comparing this photo to the 'ditch / big culvert' photo posted above  by Brendan (look at his 3rd photo down) you can see why the turntable access track nearest the shop had to be removed for excavator access to the ditch area to install the various drainage pipes.   Once the new culvert area (former ditch) is filled & graded, that turntable access track can be restored, even though the roundhouse area still has construction ongoing.

This schematic from linked from page 2 of this thread is helpful in visualizing the positioning of the various elements in that area:
(https://forum.wwfry.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3966.0;attach=2246;image)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on May 10, 2021, 12:14:37 PM
It is not clear from the drawings what the walls are going to be made out of? Will they be wood or some other material?
Great Drawings by the way!

Ted Miles, WW&F Life Member #270
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on May 20, 2021, 05:04:15 PM
The footings are in for the foundation.

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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s5/bbarry74/IMG_3714.JPG?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/58e384d0-fdec-4da1-9e1e-c14e3edadb0c/p/385fa67e-ce07-48f7-b6fd-09f5cbc78aa3)

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Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Rick Sisson on May 20, 2021, 05:21:04 PM
Thanks Brendan!
Are those guys really wearing flannel shirts?
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on May 20, 2021, 05:25:47 PM
Thanks Brendan!
Are those guys really wearing flannel shirts?

It was 38 degrees at 7am when they started pouring.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Anthony Vo on May 20, 2021, 10:26:00 PM
Looking great!
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on May 21, 2021, 09:11:55 AM
It is not clear from the drawings what the walls are going to be made out of? Will they be wood or some other material?
Great Drawings by the way!

Ted Miles, WW&F Life Member #270

Hey Ted, the actual structure itself will be wood just like the original Wiscasset enginehouse.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on May 22, 2021, 08:32:19 AM
Years ago, there was talk of making it out of concrete block, for fire protection. It was to be sided with wood, but I'm guessing the plan has changed.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on May 22, 2021, 09:22:29 AM
The final design features a concrete "lip" above floor height so that if there are any cinders, etc., they will not ignite the walls.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 22, 2021, 09:46:53 PM
It is not a concrete lip. It will be a footer (or frost) wall, then the floor will be poured inside it, much like a basement floor. The wood walls get built on top of the footer walls.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on May 22, 2021, 10:39:06 PM
Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on May 23, 2021, 07:20:39 AM
So what about the proposed outside storage track adjacent to roundhouse track 3. Will it be No. 4 or maybe 3A?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't turntable tracks that aren't attached to anything and aren't under cover called Garden Tracks?

They are called radial tracks.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on May 23, 2021, 09:06:39 AM
My Grandad who worked for the DL&W (Lackawanna) told me they called them pasture track.  When I asked why, he told me that's where they put the engines that were going "out to pasture".  I assume he meant that was the tracks where any parts that could be recycled for other engines would be removed before the engine was sent to either a deadline or scrapyard.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on May 23, 2021, 09:43:18 AM
I expect that these kinds of tracks had different names depending on the region, or perhaps the dominant railroad in that area.

Certainly in some areas of the country those tracks were indeed known as "garden tracks".  The Southern Railway built a major shops facility -- Spencer Shops -- near Charlotte NC. (The entire facility is now NCTM, a transportation museum.) The  American Society of Mechanical Engineers (ASME) has published a PDF about the history of Spencer Shops, here:

https://www.asme.org/wwwasmeorg/media/ResourceFiles/AboutASME/Who%20We%20Are/Engineering%20History/Landmarks/248-Southern-Railway-Spencer-Shops.pdf (https://www.asme.org/wwwasmeorg/media/ResourceFiles/AboutASME/Who%20We%20Are/Engineering%20History/Landmarks/248-Southern-Railway-Spencer-Shops.pdf)

... and here is a snapshot of part of that PDF:
(https://i.postimg.cc/mB1g5fmv/Spencer-Shops-Garden-Tracks.png)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on May 23, 2021, 11:10:34 AM
I've also heard them called "whisker tracks."
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on May 23, 2021, 07:17:27 PM
So we can choose??
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on May 23, 2021, 07:57:17 PM
Quote
So we can choose??

There was open discussion about this in a forum section reserved for train operations; the consensus was "Garden Track."
I like "garden track" as it will roughly fall where Clarissa's flower garden was.


And, incidentally, the structure being built is an Engine House - as that is how they were (generally) referred to on all of two-footers, including the WW&F's building in Wiscasset.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dana Deering on May 23, 2021, 08:06:57 PM
And I don’t think there is any original Maine Two Foot precedent for naming that type of track. There was only one turntable on all of the Maine two footers that had those tracks that I know of and that was at Kingfield on the SR&RL. I have never seen any reference as to what those tracks were “officially” called so Garden Track would be fine.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on May 24, 2021, 10:49:15 AM
I wonder how the term "garden track" came about.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 24, 2021, 01:51:37 PM
I wonder how the term "garden track" came about.

Jeff S.
The track will be built over what was left of Clarissa's flower garden.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on May 24, 2021, 05:37:47 PM
The foundation forms are almost done.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s5/bbarry74/IMG_3742.JPG?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/58e384d0-fdec-4da1-9e1e-c14e3edadb0c/p/7c4090fa-e208-4901-bb5c-e61c38f496ca)

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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s5/bbarry74/IMG_3759.JPG?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/58e384d0-fdec-4da1-9e1e-c14e3edadb0c/p/0d1ea0ed-cb2c-49a3-b07c-63c3d14ce6e5)

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width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/58e384d0-fdec-4da1-9e1e-c14e3edadb0c/p/78540861-d9a0-452f-9909-401a8d727587)

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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s5/bbarry74/IMG_3771.JPG?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/58e384d0-fdec-4da1-9e1e-c14e3edadb0c/p/768d6a96-489e-4434-b81c-1678afa72a76)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s5/bbarry74/IMG_3774.JPG?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/58e384d0-fdec-4da1-9e1e-c14e3edadb0c/p/626bd4d7-5c39-49ce-966a-ee6fb18d58c5)

Inside the inspection pit.

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Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on May 24, 2021, 07:24:49 PM
This is totally amazing.  Did you provide for conduit access for electrical, or is that premature?

Bob
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on May 24, 2021, 07:45:35 PM
Access for all future utility needs is being provided.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on May 24, 2021, 11:00:10 PM
I'm not a concrete industry professional, but I found the stemwall forms (the flat panels with "Advance" all over them) shown in Brendan's photos  very interesting. :)  Mostly I'm familiar with wall forms braced with 2x4 etc  lumber, like this:

(https://i.postimg.cc/PC9YTRfp/woodbracedforms.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PC9YTRfp)


If you look (in particular) at the last photo Brendan posted (the inspection pit), you can see that the forms are braced with steel sections.  I didn't quite understand how that all worked, so went looking for more info on Advance Forms. Their website is here:
http://www.advanceconcreteform.com/forms

It appears that our roundhouse engine house is using standard 2' panels, with occasional smaller versions when necessary. There are standard steel corners, two of which can be seen in the inspection pit photo. Here is a closeup from the Advance Forms site:

(https://i.postimg.cc/vY2Phm86/4x4-Corner.png)

As you can see in that image, there are 'latches' that hook the vertical steel corners to the 2ft panels.  And the panels similarly hook to each other where the stemwalls are straight.  One can browse the Advance Forms website to see there are a variety of other components available for situations that may/may not be present in our 'pour'.

FYI, the panels themselves appear to be "HDO panels", a plywood core with a 'High Density Overlay' (fibers mixed with resin) which makes a smoother finish than plywood and results in a highly durable surface, compared to standard plywood.

These kinds of forms systems are likely more expensive material-wise than the all-wood versions, but pay for themselves when considering the labor involved to set them up and take them down.   In  the long term, for a forms professional, they cost less than traditional (mostly) wood forms.


Great photos!





Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 25, 2021, 08:19:29 AM
There are also small cross tie bars that the latches hook onto, keeping the panels parallel. The ends of those are broken off and the foundation coated below ground with a sealant to repel water. Perimeter drains are typically set up around the outside and inside, and backfilled with stone around the pipe and sand above that to have something that does not hold water. Backfilling with anything else will cause compaction and drainage issues, and could cause cracks in the foundation and floor.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on May 25, 2021, 08:30:22 AM
I wonder how the term "garden track" came about.

Jeff S.
The track will be built over what was left of Clarissa's flower garden.

I should have been more clear. Is there a historical context for "garden track" as a railroading term?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on May 25, 2021, 07:35:42 PM
I was over there today.  What the contractors have done is awesome.  More concrete next week.

Bob
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 26, 2021, 11:34:48 AM
This is a screenshot of how the concrete wall will stick above the floor. This is the strongest way to build the wall, with the floor poured inside of the wall. The only place it would not is at the door openings, where it would be on the wall, as the wall should be lower in that location.

(https://i.postimg.cc/jjNvrXcD/Screenshot-20210525-151546.png)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Houghton on May 26, 2021, 03:05:04 PM
Mike,
Thanks for the screen-shot diagram. It really illustrates the foundation/wall construction well.
John
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on May 26, 2021, 04:13:50 PM
Based on prior construction jobs I've managed, if you have the opportunity to use recycled "crushed" concrete for your stone base = do it.  Due to it's broken nature, it has lots of edges to interlock and with the second benefit of it re-solidifying when it gets wet makes for a great base and many times it is cheaper than straight clean stone.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Benjamin Richards on May 26, 2021, 05:16:47 PM
I wonder if that re-solidifying bit is right... I thought the curing process is chemical, not physical. If you pulverize cured concrete and add water again, you won't end up with something structurally sound.

Crush-crete is cheap because it is FILTHY. Bottle caps, rubber hose, scrap metal, wood chips, &c. Probably fine for the base but careful using it in the actual mix.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on May 26, 2021, 09:44:20 PM
Yes, concrete is a chemical reaction, but concrete never fully binds/reacts to 100%.  Normal is about 95-96%, so yes there is a little rebinding but not a full concrete set.  As far as dirty recycle, never happened on my jobs as the site guys knew they would be taking it back out if I caught them and the inspectors knew if they let it happen on their watch they would be working somewhere else.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on May 27, 2021, 02:53:58 AM
I have used crushed concrete mainly for driveways and shed floors, I don't know about resolidifying
but it sure binds well. A lot better than the local limestone. And it is cheaper.

As for "Garden Track" I always thought it was because they were out in the weeds.  :)   
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on May 27, 2021, 10:36:07 PM
This is a screenshot of how the concrete wall will stick above the floor. This is the strongest way to build the wall, with the floor poured inside of the wall. The only place it would not is at the door openings, where it would be on the wall, as the wall should be lower in that location.

(https://i.postimg.cc/jjNvrXcD/Screenshot-20210525-151546.png)
There are a few changes from the sketch as to what is being done on the round engine house.  There is no rea bar in the footers as they were pored over clean stone.  In the walls there is vertical rea bar (set in the footers) every four feet and horizontal rea bar every two feet.  The fill inside the walls will also be stone so there will be no chance of settling.  I believe the outside fill will be gravel.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 28, 2021, 07:45:07 AM
That was just a screen shot so those that wanted to see what the wall and floors would look like when done.

I would have liked to see rebar in the footers. That clean stone is on top of clay.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on May 28, 2021, 11:43:31 AM
Mike, I agree with you on the rea bars in the footers.  I was just repeating what I was told by the Concrete guys.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 28, 2021, 09:47:15 PM
They would know. At least I hope they would steer us in the right direction. My foundation is on hardpan, and I have rebar verticaly every 10 feet and horizontal top, middle and bottom.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 29, 2021, 09:05:56 PM
Front wall. Stop blocks have been installed where the frost wall drops for the door openings.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Znw13BWG/0529210948a.jpg)

Looking from the Front West corner

(https://i.postimg.cc/XNxMthss/0529210948.jpg)

Looking along the west wall.

(https://i.postimg.cc/B609GGWV/0529210947-HDR.jpg)

East wall looking toward the Turntable

(https://i.postimg.cc/cCxprML7/0529210949.jpg)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 01, 2021, 04:55:28 PM
The foundation was poured this afternoon.

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Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on June 02, 2021, 09:06:52 AM
Thanks for all the photos, Brendan.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on June 02, 2021, 12:27:59 PM
Thank you so much for the pics as usual things come along steadily. No down time.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 02, 2021, 10:47:51 PM
The forms were stripped today.

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Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on June 03, 2021, 10:07:53 AM
Impressive.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on June 03, 2021, 10:41:50 AM
No down time. Well done.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on June 04, 2021, 06:36:23 PM
That looks nice, are the walls of the pit going to be block?
M. Nix
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 04, 2021, 07:07:31 PM
The walls for the pit are already there. The cement you see in the center is the footer for the posts that will hold up the track and locomotives. The floor will be poured over the footer, then the supports can be fabricated and installed.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard Cavalloro on June 04, 2021, 07:27:38 PM
So the pit is the width of the bay??   Great!!
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Chuck Watford on June 05, 2021, 03:10:08 PM
Being from the South, I am not familiar with this type construction. I assume the deep foundation walls are so that the footers are below the frost line? The areas inside the foundation walls will be backfilled to the floor level and the concrete floor poured on top?  Here we would just use a simple monolithic slab foundation.  Great work and very interesting to watch. Will the building walls be stud construction or post-and-beam?
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on June 05, 2021, 04:33:31 PM
Being the curious bird that I am; can you gave some numbers on the budget for the building? I will not be offended if you would not want to make the numbers public!

Ted Miles, WW&F Member, #11 contributor
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on June 05, 2021, 06:09:25 PM
We budgeted $150,000 to build the building so that we could close it up, but that was before the price of everything took off to the stratosphere. 
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on June 05, 2021, 07:13:07 PM
I would suggest that if the lumber cannot be sourced locally from a nearby sawmill then I would temporarily cover the foundation area and postpone wood construction until lumber prices return to some sort of sanity.  If my local yards and distribution centers are any indication the lumber is beginning to back up due to basically no one buying lumber except for one or two pieces.  Even the big builders are putting development on hold.  The logjam is building and I predict by late summer / early fall that lumber prices are going to crash.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on June 05, 2021, 07:18:00 PM
The wood is indeed being sourced from a local sawmill, with pricing only moderately above what we were expecting- at least according to the last I heard from Brendan.

Thanks,
Jason
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 05, 2021, 08:17:41 PM
Being from the South, I am not familiar with this type construction. I assume the deep foundation walls are so that the footers are below the frost line? The areas inside the foundation walls will be backfilled to the floor level and the concrete floor poured on top?  Here we would just use a simple monolithic slab foundation.  Great work and very interesting to watch. Will the building walls be stud construction or post-and-beam?

Most of what you see will be below ground level. And yes, this is to get below the frost line. This provides a very solid foundation for the building.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on June 05, 2021, 11:14:49 PM
Being from the South, I am not familiar with this type construction. I assume the deep foundation walls are so that the footers are below the frost line? The areas inside the foundation walls will be backfilled to the floor level and the concrete floor poured on top?  Here we would just use a simple monolithic slab foundation.  Great work and very interesting to watch. Will the building walls be stud construction or post-and-beam?
  Being from Virginia where our footers are 16" below the surface I was stunned during my visit last month when I saw how deep the footers had to be to get below the frost line. 

Now we know why my visits are in spring, summer and fall. 
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Michael Summers on June 13, 2021, 09:36:06 AM
Looking great!  Cant wait to see it on my next trip to Maine.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 18, 2021, 06:56:13 AM
Backfilling inside the building for the floors. The B&SR tank car was used to supply water while compacting the backfill.

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Cutting out fill under the track area. The concrete is deeper under the rails.

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Pit floor filled in and compacted bewtween the footers.

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Roughing in the new grade down to the roundhouse.

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Trenching in the water line from the roundhouse to the water tank.

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Water line backfilling done.

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Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on June 18, 2021, 08:55:49 AM
Thanks for the photos, Brendan. Looks like a lot was accomplished.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on June 18, 2021, 11:35:28 AM
What, no picture of how the back hoe got down into the bottom of bays 2 & 3 of the roundhouse to spread the fill?  I think I know how it was done, and why there was no picture of the antics used to get it down in there.  I do think there is a hint of how it was done in one of the pictures.

The results are impressive.  There is no end to the talents of our members and the accomplishments the give to our museum and the many future visitors.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on June 18, 2021, 02:04:19 PM
Great progress!


As far as getting the smaller hoe inside the foundation, I think just dumping a truckload (or more) of rock over the concrete wall into the 'hole', and then having the hoe create its own path down the resulting heaped up pile would work well. Or use the bigger hoe bucket to push some of that rock pile into a sloping ramp.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on June 19, 2021, 11:12:14 AM
As far as getting the smaller hoe inside the foundation, I think just dumping a truckload (or more) of rock over the concrete wall into the 'hole', and then having the hoe create its own path down the resulting heaped up pile would work well. Or use the bigger hoe bucket to push some of that rock pile into a sloping ramp.
Graham, Being only a modestly skilled backhoe operator, this was my first thought also.  However, having watched skilled (and perhaps braver) backhoe operators unload a backhoe from the high bed of a dump truck using the bucket as an arm, then load the backhoe back up onto the high dump truck bed, again using the bucket as an arm....  This coupled with the dirt on top of the back wall of bay two led me to believe that the skilled (and brave) method was used.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on June 19, 2021, 12:09:52 PM
I have a Terramite T5c backhoe, and tipped it over once on a hill.  :o


You could never pay me enough to unload a  backhoe from up top of a railcar  like this:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VRfBJIzNrYw/hqdefault.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRfBJIzNrYw

If you watch that video, it is apparent for that technique to work, the brakes on the railcar must be released, as the railcar gets rolled out of the way so the backhoe can settle down.

Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Chuck Watford on June 19, 2021, 03:07:20 PM
R.J. Corman made a fortune doing that.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 20, 2021, 04:52:46 PM
Ask Fred how I get our little Kubota around. Makes the video look easy.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 20, 2021, 10:45:59 PM
Grading the track subgrade from the north yard switch down to the engine house.

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Track center line stakes in.

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Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on June 27, 2021, 06:13:46 PM
Windows and doors stored in the car barn, seen yesterday.
(https://i.imgur.com/y639i15.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/8o5Fefe.jpg)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 04, 2021, 11:08:24 AM
A couple of July 3rd photos.

A sign has been put up to tell our guests about the engine house project.
(https://i.imgur.com/xDQ1R61.jpg)

Looks like rebar work has started for stall 1 pit.
(https://i.imgur.com/tZKgvpR.jpg)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 04, 2021, 03:20:07 PM
Thanks for the photo update, Bill.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 10, 2021, 10:02:29 PM
While most volunteers were busy with public activities today, Brendan was busy preparing rail for the engine house.  Once the track is in place, the engine house concrete floor can be poured.

(https://i.imgur.com/jjMfgky.jpg)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 14, 2021, 01:26:32 PM
Stewart got some pictures of us setting the track panels in the roundhouse yesterday.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s5/bbarry74/IMG_4006.JPG?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/58e384d0-fdec-4da1-9e1e-c14e3edadb0c/p/e2774bcd-0502-4a2d-a697-95a8788c3262)

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Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 14, 2021, 01:54:45 PM
I see Justin Franz has written an article for Railfan & Railroad about this project. (https://railfan.com/maine-museum-building-new-narrow-gauge-roundhouse/?fbclid=IwAR0y_rz9iUuA1FTq9KZeRk_vtmIIdKRco2CghxZr7AXZDqtyLQJLRNqizck)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on July 14, 2021, 04:27:25 PM
 Will the run through track have a landscape wall added in the future?   Fred Kuhns
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on July 14, 2021, 07:17:48 PM
I remember doing the same work for both the concrete floor in bays 2 & 3 in the shop building, and the extension of the car barn.  It's not as simple as it looks.  Bravo Brendan

Bob
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 17, 2021, 08:46:01 PM
I gave Brendan a hand for a little bit straightening and leveling the track in stall 3 until Fred pulled me away. I came back and he had finished leveling and was installing the wood for the flangeways.

(https://i.postimg.cc/0jgDSWj4/0717211558.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/cCQYBR8L/0717211558a.jpg)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 24, 2021, 06:58:21 PM
Ready for the concrete contractor to pout the floor

(https://i.postimg.cc/Yqh9pnV1/0724210730.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/wxWMY8Wq/0724210730a.jpg)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on August 09, 2021, 10:04:32 AM
Article in the Wiscasset Newspaper:
https://www.wiscassetnewspaper.com/article/burned-wiscasset-being-rebuilt-alna/150103 (https://www.wiscassetnewspaper.com/article/burned-wiscasset-being-rebuilt-alna/150103)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on August 09, 2021, 11:49:02 AM
When I first saw the article on my newsfeed, I clicked on it because I thought somebody's house in Wiscasset burned but was getting rebuilt in Alna, which I thought was really curious.  The next thought was maybe a town line change, which I thought unlikely.  I was pleasantly surprised to see we were featured.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on August 09, 2021, 05:02:29 PM
On the newspaper page about WW&F, on lower right corner is another newspaper ilink. The old Miss Wascasset Diner will be reopening for breakfast and lunch.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on August 09, 2021, 07:16:22 PM
Really excited to see Miss Wiscacasset reopen, no matter the name.  I loved the previous owner family's southern take on the menu (their family was from Mississippi -- grits, chicken fried steak, etc).

We went there often over the last 5-6 years, and really missed it when it closed.  We'll be going back for sure.

Bob
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 10, 2021, 09:07:10 AM
A nicely written article. Wasn't the water tank a replica of the Head Tide tank?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 14, 2021, 02:55:39 PM
The concrete contractors have been back and prepped for the floor. Hopefully we'll have a floor this week sometime.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s5/bbarry74/IMG_4276.JPG?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/58e384d0-fdec-4da1-9e1e-c14e3edadb0c/p/a14a024a-dc94-4953-8895-29ae992172c6)

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Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 15, 2021, 10:31:20 AM
Any idea when they will pour the floor?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on August 15, 2021, 07:52:34 PM
Brendan above said some time this week. Cement contractor did not  pour last week because of the high heat wave.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Arnold on August 16, 2021, 11:32:44 PM
Brendan above said some time this week. Cement contractor did not  pour last week because of the high heat wave.
I remember being docked at Bath at the Maritime Museum and it was 104! Hiding under the gangway for shade. I remember saying this it the hottest I have ever felt. Still nothing here in Florida gets close to that week in Maine. It dropped in temperature the week after but man!
Mike
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 20, 2021, 04:57:28 PM
The pit floor was poured today. Weather depending the rest of the floor will be next Wednesday.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s5/bbarry74/IMG_4310.JPG?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/58e384d0-fdec-4da1-9e1e-c14e3edadb0c/p/d6fd8131-5425-4fd5-9189-c3f2633fcdab)

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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s5/bbarry74/IMG_4320.JPG?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/58e384d0-fdec-4da1-9e1e-c14e3edadb0c/p/7f9c18cd-d9ce-4784-a1b6-4f9cea984164)

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Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on August 20, 2021, 06:55:51 PM
Looks Great, but where's the Pit Floor Drain ?  Or is it hidden by the foundation wall.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on August 20, 2021, 07:25:23 PM
Yes, the drain is hidden by the wall - it is just outside of the visible floor space in the bottom right of the pit.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on August 20, 2021, 07:49:34 PM
Great day today weatherwise; super progress
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 21, 2021, 08:07:36 AM
In the third photo down, the guy with the red shirt bent forward is the approximate location of the sump hole. There is also a green pipe that comes in through the exterior wall which is just above the pit sump hole.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on August 21, 2021, 08:20:31 AM
In this photo that Stewart posted to the NGDF forum the sump is visible:
(https://i.postimg.cc/ssbg61m2/Engine-Housepouring-Pit-Floor-East-Stall-FB-2.jpg)

There is a guy in a red shirt bending over in the left upper corner of the pit, and the black wall of the sump is visible in front of where his feet would be, along with a portion of the green horizontal drain pipe.



Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 21, 2021, 08:21:49 AM
Glad to see the cement pouring is proceeding.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 05, 2021, 12:16:16 PM
As noted elsewhere, lumber has arrived to start framing the engine house.  Here James Patten and Brendan Barry are sorting the lumber Saturday morning, September 4th.
(https://i.imgur.com/gz5Cz3N.jpg)

The sorted lumber was then stacked by the engine house foundation.  The engine house floor is expected to be poured soon, along with the turntable pivot foundation (form in the right foreground).
(https://i.imgur.com/26vDjaf.jpg)

I-beams have also arrived, to be cut up and used as vertical supports for the pit track rails.
(https://i.imgur.com/ViFB4m9.jpg)

Bryce Weeks (right) and Dan Malkowski busy cutting the I-beams to length.
(https://i.imgur.com/z8coDxe.jpg)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on September 08, 2021, 06:51:42 PM
The concrete floor has been poured as you can see in this photo Stewart posted to the WW&F Facebook page:

(https://i.postimg.cc/G8zNZPTB/WWF-EH-floor-241635820-10158618225146871-550246137040083920-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G8zNZPTB)
(click image to see larger, and you can click that again to see full-size)


Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Kevin Kierstead on September 08, 2021, 07:43:32 PM
why is the left side track not centered in it's section of the engine house?
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on September 08, 2021, 07:45:14 PM
If you look at the first post, first page in this thread, you’ll see a floor plan which explains the placement of the two outer tracks.

Thanks,
Jason
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Kevin Kierstead on September 08, 2021, 11:20:44 PM
Ah ha, got it: the track is parallel to the outer wall just like the pit track! thanks, K.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 09, 2021, 01:17:01 PM
The roundhouse floor was poured yesterday morning. The concrete crew arrived at 5:30 am and the first mixer arrived at 6am.

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Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on September 09, 2021, 05:06:23 PM
Looks great!
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on September 09, 2021, 06:41:35 PM
Looks great!
Of course it looks great.  Our chief foreman Fred was clearly on the job to make sure it turned out great.  Thanks Fred!
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on September 10, 2021, 06:49:04 AM
Very exciting times are ahead. 😁
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 10, 2021, 09:36:52 AM
Things are moving right along.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 11, 2021, 09:59:50 PM
First 2 support posts have been completed by Bryce and were set into their approximate place in the pit..

(https://i.postimg.cc/zDw94CNM/0911210737.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/qMk9rNM7/0911210738.jpg)

The rest of the floor...

(https://i.postimg.cc/Qx0vdjHJ/0911210738a.jpg)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Kevin Kierstead on September 12, 2021, 12:10:50 AM
How will the rails be mounted to the pit supports?
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 12, 2021, 09:59:42 AM
A few Saturday, September 11th photos.

Close-ups of the two pit rail supports.  Bryce Weeks says 16 more will be made.
(https://i.imgur.com/3KSSJAz.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/qXSh3Jz.jpg)

Work started this day on the building sill plates.
(https://i.imgur.com/ijK6G5Y.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rKHVuFv.jpg)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 12, 2021, 02:21:37 PM
How will the rails be mounted to the pit supports?
The top of the posts in my first photo can be seen 2 holes in the plate. The rail sits between those holes then is clamped to it. It will be 85# rail, which can support more weight between the posts than we will ever put on. Jason ran the the calculations and could supply the details.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 12, 2021, 04:24:14 PM
85 lb rail - impressive size for two foot gauge.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Piche on September 12, 2021, 08:18:14 PM
85 lb rail - impressive size for two foot gauge.

Jeff S.
Or, as we call it down in Portland, light rail.

All seriousness, though. I think the only place that 85lb rail may have existed on an original 2 footer was on Sweet's grade between Phillips and Strong.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 25, 2021, 04:52:51 PM
The first two sections of wall were stood up after lunch today.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s5/bbarry74/IMG_4488.JPG?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/58e384d0-fdec-4da1-9e1e-c14e3edadb0c/p/b54eb057-0fa6-45b4-ac2f-646982dc4dcb)

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Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 25, 2021, 07:25:56 PM
A couple more..

(https://i.postimg.cc/jdZvRM5w/0925211129a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/L6HNdcHF/0925211130.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/rmxQcc0M/0925211306.jpg)

Clancy is still with us luckily..

(https://i.postimg.cc/wMk2yVQr/0925211306a.jpg)

Someone has been framed...

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJVXV6JF/0925211316.jpg)

And for a good idea of the size of the front of the enginehouse, Dan posed by the West wall for me while I took a picture from in front of the bathroom.

(https://i.postimg.cc/hjBVLmvR/0925211550.png)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on September 25, 2021, 08:36:40 PM
Wow, you guys will have it constructed before I get up there next weekend.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on September 26, 2021, 06:36:41 AM
Thank you Mike for those pictures I'm astounded at. I do agree with Bill  at this rate you'll have set the small fir tree at the top of the building next time I log on to the forum. What most surprises me is that you guys are  currently working on quite a lot of projects like SS roundhouse, TB turntable, coach #9, boxcar 56, locomotive #11,Wilmar tamper, trackworks, you name it and you never put one of those works on the backburner they all come along steadily with the same pace. Hat off.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 26, 2021, 06:10:35 PM
Wow, you guys will have it constructed before I get up there next weekend.

Bill,

They still have a lot to do, so I think there will be work left for you when you get there.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 02, 2021, 07:34:59 PM
As James said in the Work Reports, with the threat of Clancy leaving, it was decided to stand the walls that were built. I asked Brendan if he was ok with it because he was unable to be there today.

Standing the last section of East wall, an error was discovered, which was the door opening was 4 inches south in the cement, versus what was on the west side and what was built in the wall.  We discussed for a few minutes but then jumped to the west side to get those up. After the west wall (and lunch) we tackled the east wall. We planned to reuse nearly all we took out, and added 2 studs. Fred was very pleased with the results (we made him stay until near completion) and we were too.

Speaking of Fred.. From the staging

(https://i.postimg.cc/NMCFSfSJ/1002210952.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/3NyNTQHK/1002210953.jpg)

Lunch!

(https://i.postimg.cc/15knyXtb/1002211222.jpg)

East wall after the modifications

(https://i.postimg.cc/BQLPWHqx/1002211513.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/mrwt3SwG/1002211514.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/NFVy9fx9/1002211514a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/g23wjpLj/1002211514b.jpg)

West wall

(https://i.postimg.cc/kMhRhfdJ/1002211514c.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/FKmYJ60Z/1002211515.jpg)

Parking lot shot

(https://i.postimg.cc/vTDgZ65w/1002211517.jpg)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on October 02, 2021, 09:06:53 PM
Thanks, Mike, for today's photos.  Glad to see that Fred was keeping everyone on the straight and narrow.

And thanks to Chesterfield Associates for the use of Clancy.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 03, 2021, 09:41:53 AM
Let me echo Bill's thanks. I hope to see things in person later today.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 08, 2021, 07:20:48 PM
* The first section of back wall went up today, 10/8 it's the north wall for the west stall.  The framing has two windows and was built on a horizontal stage and then lifted into place. 

* Dan led a crew prepping the grade and setting ties for the tracks that feed the enginehouse from the turntable. 

Photos are on FB.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on October 08, 2021, 08:51:59 PM
I suspect that there are other non-Facebook members of this forum, so I am reposting these photos from the NGDF forum (https://ngdiscussion.net/phorum/read.php?1,428609,428934#msg-428934).


These are all 'thumbnail' images, so click the image to see larger, and click again for 'full-size' if you wish.

(https://i.postimg.cc/jDJ2DCkM/Eng-Hse-Building-Back-Wall-FB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jDJ2DCkM)

(https://i.postimg.cc/V5DdTxCW/Eng-Hse-Setting-Back-Wall-FB-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/V5DdTxCW)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4nJYWfm3/Eng-Hse-View-Front-FB-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4nJYWfm3)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 09, 2021, 05:55:21 PM

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s5/bbarry74/IMG_4543.JPG?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/58e384d0-fdec-4da1-9e1e-c14e3edadb0c/p/40c3e81f-4f20-487a-92f9-91a7b29c2149)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s5/bbarry74/IMG_4546.JPG?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/58e384d0-fdec-4da1-9e1e-c14e3edadb0c/p/9bf3612d-7e35-4ce1-92e2-b9b268450ec6)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s5/bbarry74/IMG_4549.JPG?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/58e384d0-fdec-4da1-9e1e-c14e3edadb0c/p/4188f36a-b5cc-4cc2-ac34-337c2bea9359)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on October 09, 2021, 06:15:31 PM
Looks Good there. Now lets get it done!
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: William Simonton on October 09, 2021, 06:21:12 PM
I do not know what you may do, but the examples of roundhouses I have knowledge of had Whitewashed Interior Walls which included the roof framing and underside of the roof.  Probably to assist in lighting in an era where electrical lighting was still underwhelming.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on October 09, 2021, 07:09:42 PM
Wow, is that amazing or is that amazing!?  What a dramatic way to show the progress on today's Work Saturday...

Bob
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on October 09, 2021, 07:45:12 PM
Having engines running or fired up inside the building, and things won’t stay white for very long.

Amazing progress.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on October 10, 2021, 10:51:00 AM
Some more photos from yesterday (Saturday, October 9th).

Spiking the east rail on the new House 2 lead.
(https://i.imgur.com/rYajDXT.jpg)

After House lead 2 was spiked and partially ballasted, Dana Deering prepares to cut the west rail on the new House 3 lead.
(https://i.imgur.com/pzadW7u.jpg)

The three house leads were completed by mid-afternoon.
(https://i.imgur.com/73xWVy5.jpg)

Ties were also laid out for the House and Service tracks that lead down from the Sheepscot Upper (Car Barn) Yard.  This photo shows the lower portion of the Service track route to the turntable, bypassing the Engine House.
(https://i.imgur.com/SSOL80w.jpg)

A view from the upper yard, showing the planned route of the two tracks:  Service track on the left bypassing the engine house, and the House track on the right that will enter on the House pit track.  These tracks will be built another day.
(https://i.imgur.com/Ymxdzo5.jpg)

Laying out the last of the ties approaching the Barn 1 switch.
(https://i.imgur.com/1J4As9B.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vvSWMcX.jpg)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on October 10, 2021, 08:13:53 PM
Will the bypass track actually clear a wide engine such as no 8?  It looks very close to the engine house corner to me..

Bob
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on October 10, 2021, 08:49:42 PM
Will the bypass track actually clear a wide engine such as no 8?  It looks very close to the engine house corner to me..

Bob
Time for a variation of the classic sign "Will Not Clear Man on Side of Car;" "Will Not Clear Wide Engine."
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 10, 2021, 10:08:41 PM
If I understand it correctly, the issue with the bypass track is not proximity to the engine house, but the angle of the curve around  it. There may be restrictions on what equipment can use the bypass track (no coaches, for example.)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on October 10, 2021, 10:40:46 PM
Perhaps anything too big to get on the turntable can't get past the engine house; think of the engine house clearance as a filter.....
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 11, 2021, 07:49:51 AM
The photo is a little deceiving. The only thing that may not clear is the Bridgton plow..
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 11, 2021, 07:51:46 AM
The turntable lead (from the south yard) and the run-through track (from the north yard through the engine house) can both accommodate large pieces of rolling stock.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Leet on October 11, 2021, 08:09:51 AM
not sure that the Bridgeton plow could even make it to the service track
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 11, 2021, 08:38:56 AM
The centerline of the service track clears the corner of the engine house by 5’, providing a 10’ loading gauge window.  This is the same as the width of the shop doors, and the new doors into stall 1 of the enginehouse.

The service track required a 25 degree curve for the layout to work.  The 25 degree curve will be constructed to 24-1/2” gauge.  Doing so should allow access by all equipment- however this will be carefully and directly confirmed after construction.  Recall that that historically the sharpest main line curve on the WW&F was 20 degrees- we are quite certain there were sharper yard track curves (such as the one just north of the shop in Wiscasset).

The intent is that the service track (all the way to barn 1 switch) be kept clear of parked equipment so it is available for servicing locomotives and accessing the north yard (and the turntable from the north yard).  As a norm, trains or equipment shouldn’t be parked so as to block this usage- though I’m sure we’ll have some exceptions based on circumstance.

Thanks,
Jason
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 11, 2021, 08:47:23 AM
As may be apparent, the sharpness of the service track curve and the clearance of the service track to the southeast corner of the enginehouse were two of three pinch points which we had to optimize.  The third pinch point was the clearance between the northwest corner(s) of the enginehouse to the southeast corner of the car barn.  We wanted to keep that pinch point as wide as possible to permit the passage of emergency vehicles with a safe margin.

The variable was the rotational position of the enginehouse- rotating it east gives more room to the car barn but makes for a sharper service track curve and tighter clearance at the se enginehouse corner.  Swinging it west does the opposite.

I’ll see if I can send a map of our actual CAD layout to Ed as an image or pdf for Ed to post.

Thanks,
Jason
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on October 11, 2021, 07:16:18 PM
Jason, thanks.  This is very helpful...

Bob
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 12, 2021, 08:31:16 AM
Will there be another track from the turntable to the left of the engine house for storage or display track?
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 12, 2021, 10:00:02 AM
Not at this time.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Russ Nelson on October 12, 2021, 12:51:05 PM
Some more photos from yesterday (Saturday, October 9th).

Spiking the east rail on the new House 2 lead.
(https://i.imgur.com/rYajDXT.jpg)
Finally a photo with me in it! Unfortunately, all you can see is my hat, on the right.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 13, 2021, 07:52:49 AM
New boom truck on loan from Chesterfield Associates for engine house construction.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s5/bbarry74/IMG_4563.JPG?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/58e384d0-fdec-4da1-9e1e-c14e3edadb0c/p/6c00ab12-e5f6-4682-bbb2-2fdb264a8e0f)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s5/bbarry74/IMG_4574.JPG?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/58e384d0-fdec-4da1-9e1e-c14e3edadb0c/p/b17036e7-d1fc-4d2c-9242-3512c1cd12ed)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s5/bbarry74/IMG_4576.JPG?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/58e384d0-fdec-4da1-9e1e-c14e3edadb0c/p/21f0c448-300d-4ffc-afeb-0f30ced0d171)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s5/bbarry74/IMG_4577.JPG?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/58e384d0-fdec-4da1-9e1e-c14e3edadb0c/p/ada24eb5-6dc0-4e2c-b41c-3c30b2bd1a6e)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s5/bbarry74/IMG_4578.JPG?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/58e384d0-fdec-4da1-9e1e-c14e3edadb0c/p/733a7c8b-4ced-4ab8-b95a-8f44a7564dfa)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on October 13, 2021, 09:16:40 AM
Great progress!  I see a gap between the north wall of Bay 3 and the west wall of Bay 2; out of curiosity, how come?

Dave Crow
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on October 13, 2021, 09:48:30 AM
New boom truck on loan from Chesterfield Associates

It's great to have friends with a Biiiiiiig toy box!  :o :)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 13, 2021, 09:50:15 AM
So when did the crane truck show up?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 13, 2021, 11:43:32 AM
Great progress!  I see a gap between the north wall of Bay 3 and the west wall of Bay 2; out of curiosity, how come?

Dave Crow

There is a 12”x12” beam that’s sits in the gap on top of the vertical timber.

The crane truck showed up Tuesday morning.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on October 13, 2021, 11:53:32 AM
Thanks for the explanation, Brendan.

Dave Crow
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 15, 2021, 07:24:40 PM
Today, October 15th -

Exterior sheathing boards were applied to the north wall of the center stall thanks to Brendan, Fred, Bryce, Dan and Dwight.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on October 15, 2021, 08:00:42 PM
Engine House sheathing photos from the NGDF forum thread (https://ngdiscussion.net/phorum/read.php?1,428609,429242#msg-429242):
(https://i.postimg.cc/G4By7PJc/Eng-Hse-Sheathing-Back-Wall-FB-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G4By7PJc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/JGYX5YX6/Eng-Hse-NWcorner-Sheathing-FB-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JGYX5YX6)

(https://i.postimg.cc/w3VL7jjd/Eng-Hse-Back-Wall-Sheathing-Int-FB-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w3VL7jjd)
Those are 'thumbnails' - click image to see larger, click again for full size.



Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Kevin Kierstead on October 15, 2021, 11:25:49 PM
do you intend to shingle over this? I assumed the siding would be board and batten like the shop building.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on October 15, 2021, 11:37:06 PM
 ;D
There is a similar question / comment in the NGDF thread I linked above:
Quote
Stewart Rhine:

Quote
edsshay:
 Stewart , the sheeting looks great . Almost like  a kit with pre stained wood but what will happen  to the gaps?
 Ed:)-D
The exterior sheathing will be covered with felt  paper and cedar shingles to seal it.  Insulation  and interior sheathing will finish the inside
 because the engine house will be heated.

https://ngdiscussion.net/phorum/read.php?1,428609,429258,quote=1

 ;)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on October 16, 2021, 01:41:47 AM
Glad to see period appropriate boards not plywood.
even if it will be covered.


Several buildings on the farm here have reused sheathing
(you can tell by the different mismatched paint colors)  :-)
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on October 16, 2021, 04:33:49 AM
These boards are not re-used, they came from a lumber company. Most people don't want to buy 4" wide boards, we couldn't get lumber from our usual places. They had to much work, so we took what we could find.
Title: Re: Engine House - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 16, 2021, 08:51:25 AM
Is there enough lumber to sheathe the whole enginehouse?

Jeff S.