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WW&F Railway Museum Discussion => Work and Events => Topic started by: Ed Lecuyer on February 23, 2021, 07:39:25 PM

Title: Wheel Progress was made today at the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on February 23, 2021, 07:39:25 PM
Photos by Jason Lamontagne...
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Post by: Mike Fox on February 23, 2021, 09:17:51 PM
No WW&F stamp on them? Great to see these.
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Post by: Rick Rowlands on February 23, 2021, 09:30:27 PM
Nice! Where did those come from?
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Post by: Graham Buxton on February 23, 2021, 09:53:14 PM
Nice! Where did those come from?
Here: https://www.mckeesrocksforgings.com/ (https://www.mckeesrocksforgings.com/)

I can't resist pointing out that while McKees Rocks Forgings is a "modern" company, on their website "Industries" [served] tab 'header' they feature  what is  clearly a "heritage" steam locomotive.  ;D

See: https://www.mckeesrocksforgings.com/industries (https://www.mckeesrocksforgings.com/industries)
Or, here is a screenshot:

(https://i.postimg.cc/fLPH5vSf/McKees.png)
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Post by: Bill Piche on February 23, 2021, 10:06:21 PM
I feel that the title of this post is inviting of some wheely good puns to go with those wheely good photos.
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Post by: Mike Fox on February 23, 2021, 10:08:35 PM
Your post was wheely tiring Bill
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Post by: Bill Piche on February 23, 2021, 10:11:43 PM
I can't resist pointing out that while McKees Rocks Forgings is a "modern" company, on their website "Industries" [served] 'header' tab they feature  what is  clearly a "heritage" steam locomotive.  ;D

The Walt Disney World Railroad is pretty modern when you think of it. The whole railroad has fully working block signaling and has handled 3 trains at the same time quite often.
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Post by: Graham Buxton on February 23, 2021, 10:24:28 PM
I feel that the title of this post is inviting of some wheely good puns to go with those wheely good photos.
I was originally about to post some of the lyrics of the:

"The wheels on the bus  train go round and round
 Round and round
 Round and round
 The wheels on the bus train go round and round
 All round the town ... ......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wheels_on_the_Bus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wheels_on_the_Bus)



but then I realized that all of the that was beneath me .... ...   ::)

... then Rick posted his question and I saw that I could instead  respond with a serious post and avoid all the puns.  :P
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Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on February 24, 2021, 12:29:30 AM
I predict a dizzying array of pun-spinnery... !  :o :-*
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Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on February 24, 2021, 08:24:24 AM
Sure Pete, Fire at wheel !
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Post by: John Kokas on February 24, 2021, 10:00:28 AM
Hey, where's the stem where you put air in it ?? :o
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Post by: Rick Rowlands on February 26, 2021, 12:11:40 AM
I kind of figured they were from Mckees Rocks but I wasn't sure. 
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Post by: Paul Crabb on March 13, 2021, 12:26:35 PM
Will they be doing the drivers for #11?
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Post by: Bill Piche on March 13, 2021, 11:05:16 PM
Will they be doing the drivers for #11?
The driver centers would be cast so that would probably be something for one of the foundries that have been contributing to the project (or perhaps somebody different if the quote is right).

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Post by: Ed Lecuyer on June 08, 2021, 04:26:48 PM
Photos taken today by Jason. Wheely impressive...
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Post by: Ed Lecuyer on June 08, 2021, 04:28:27 PM
Jerry and Carlos Steinke have been working tirelessly to get to this proud moment.
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Post by: Bill Baskerville on June 08, 2021, 05:56:16 PM
And that is the small wheel press.  You should see the wheely big wheel press that is out back by the containers.  It will be wheely impressive when Jerry and Carlos get that one working.
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Post by: Gordon Cook on June 08, 2021, 05:58:34 PM
Very imPRESSive!
 :o

Seriously though, a really great and thorough rebuild and clever adaptation of this press. Another valuable addition to our capabilities thanks to our dedicated volunteers.
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Post by: Bob Holmes on June 08, 2021, 07:42:30 PM
Just WOW!  Another major addition to our shop capabilities for years to come

Bob
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Post by: James Patten on June 08, 2021, 08:29:13 PM
If Jerry and Carlos together could curl that wheelset, I'd be wheely impressed.
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Post by: Stephen Lennox on June 08, 2021, 09:11:41 PM
It has been interesting peeking in on Jerry and Carlos on this project. Not being a Shop Rat and possessing these skills, they have worked hard and the final results is satisfying for all. Great job guys.

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Post by: Jeff Schumaker on June 09, 2021, 08:49:50 AM
Nice work.

Jeff S.
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Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on June 10, 2021, 11:04:25 AM
Great job of work. In France  second hand two foot gauge axles and wheels are very rare let alone trucks. AMTP just purchased two trucks in Poland but the haulage costed an arm and a leg.
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Post by: Dave Crow on June 10, 2021, 12:59:33 PM
Looking at the photo above with Jerry and Carlos with a newly-pressed wheelset, several questions come to mind:

1.  Do the axles have shoulders so that the wheels cannot be pressed too far on the axle, essentially creating a no-brainer form of gauging the wheelsets?
2.  If so, do the wheels themselves have a tight tolerance from the tread to the back of the wheel?
3.  Are the wheelsets gauged based on flange spacing or back to back dimension?

Thanks in advance,
Dave Crow
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Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on June 10, 2021, 02:06:25 PM
Hi Dave,

1.  The axles do not have shoulders.  That way we could avoid having to fit the leading edge of the axle seat in the wheel bore to accommodate a fillet which would be required for such a shoulder.

2, 3.  The wheels were gauged using go/no go gauges against the insides of the hubs, after we verified the dimension from those hub faces to the back side of the flange.  Design gauge is based on back gauge and check gauge.  We have always very carefully maintained minimum check gauge on switches and maximum check gauge on wheelsets. 

These wheels are “narrow flange contour” which calls for a slightly wider back gauge in order to maintain an appropriate check gauge.  The original Maine two foot railroads invariably used narrow flange contour wheels.  In the preservation era, several wheelsets were made using modern wide flange contour wheels, but pressed to a back gauge intended for narrow flanges.  Those wheelsets have proven to wear out very prematurely (thin, sharp flanges). 

These new wheelsets we have designed have very appropriate contact from flange to rail. 

Thanks,
Jason
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Post by: Brendan Barry on July 06, 2021, 05:25:01 PM
New wheel sets going under coach three to replace wheels with flat spots.

Truck frame after being steam cleaned.

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Journal boxes being placed on the new wheels. The old wheels are at the end of track.

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Truck being put back together.

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Reassembled truck ready to be rolled under coach three.

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Flat spot inside the yellow circle on one of the removed wheel sets. The flat spots will be turned out of the wheels on the new lathe.

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Post by: John Scott on July 07, 2021, 08:43:48 AM
Great photo-essay, thank you.
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Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 07, 2021, 10:29:28 AM
Who's the fellow working on the journal boxes?

Jeff S.
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Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 07, 2021, 10:32:18 AM
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Who's the fellow working on the journal boxes?
Looks to be Eric Schade.
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Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on July 07, 2021, 11:31:36 AM
Thank you for the report photos and captions. A flat spot is a real problem for rolling stock and track. Has it been braught by a breaking issue or anything else?
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Post by: Stephen Greif on July 08, 2021, 12:10:46 AM
That is a big flat spot, operators have a habit of sliding the lightrail equipment I work on but I haven't seen a spot that big on a car yet where I work.
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Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 08, 2021, 08:08:07 AM
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Who's the fellow working on the journal boxes?
Looks to be Eric Schade.

The glasses had me fooled.

Jeff S.
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Post by: Mike Fox on July 08, 2021, 08:19:23 AM
That is a big flat spot, operators have a habit of sliding the lightrail equipment I work on but I haven't seen a spot that big on a car yet where I work.
It was noticable while the car was in motion. Not as big as it appears, but definate out of service criteria. It was most likely caused by a brake application.
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Post by: Brendan Barry on August 14, 2021, 03:25:46 PM
Taken last week when more wheel sets were being put together.

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Post by: John Scott on August 14, 2021, 10:12:08 PM
These wheelshop photos are very interesting and greatly appreciated. Wheel work is of high importance on any railway. When I worked for a reasonably large integrated railway, rolling stock maintenance accounted for about 30% of outgoings and wheel work for about 30% of that.
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Post by: Wayne Laepple on August 14, 2021, 10:34:04 PM
We really should produce a video showing how all this works.
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Post by: Ed Lecuyer on August 14, 2021, 10:57:50 PM
I have a video - I just need some time to download and post it. Maybe next week...
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Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 15, 2021, 10:21:12 AM
That's an impressive sequence of photos.

Jeff S.