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Title: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 11, 2020, 11:30:12 AM
A tamper is on its way to the WW&F! A donation from the Wilmar Sugar Refining Co. in Queensland, Australia, in the form of a Vibratool tamper is ready to be shipped to Maine from Brisbane, Australia. It’s tentatively scheduled to leave Brisbane on Nov. 17 and should make it to Sheepscot by mid-January.

The machine was built by the Australian division of Tamper Corp. (now a division of Harsco Corp.) in 1975, and is a scaled-down version of the popular machines built here in the US by Tamper. Many are still in use, and, this week we received an electronic copy of the parts list for this machine from Harsco USA. This machine has the capacity to raise and line track, and once we learn how to operate it, it will greatly speed our track maintenance and construction.

The photo below was taken in Brisbane on Oct. 28.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Berlo on November 11, 2020, 11:35:51 AM
Awesome.  Maybe we call it Wilma in honor of the donor, Wilmar Sugar.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on November 11, 2020, 12:52:41 PM
This amazing  piece of news is going to make my day  Given the time  out her it 'll make my evening.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on November 11, 2020, 01:00:56 PM
Wow! Great news.  Very generous of Wilmar Sugar.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Arnold on November 11, 2020, 01:11:49 PM
Wow! That would help you guys out a lot. I know you guys like the old way you work but wow it’s going to make expansion better.
Mike
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on November 11, 2020, 01:26:16 PM
Just read the newsletter and I congratulate Wayne and all those that shared in the donation of that tamper that  will be tremendously usefull in keeping up the track.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 11, 2020, 02:52:02 PM
I believe it has already been named Wilmar. He will be a great addition to the museum.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 11, 2020, 03:29:21 PM
I believe it has already been named Wilmar. He will be a great addition to the museum.
But in New England, the 'ar' at the end of a word is pronounced 'ah', so his name is in fact, Wilma.

"Go parhk Wilmah in the North Yarhd Carh Barhn."
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on November 11, 2020, 09:18:49 PM
Working with Wayne on this for over a year and a half, this has been an almost exhausting adventure.  I cannot express enough the congratulations that Wayne deserves for all his efforts.  While I ended up striking out time and time again, Wayne managed to find the right folks and contacts to actually make this happen.  I would suggest that the BOD bestow upon Wayne a Lifetime Membership and Pass in recognition of his efforts above and beyond the norm. 
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 11, 2020, 10:42:21 PM
Now cut that out, John. I didn’t do anything all that special. I just don’t know when to quit. The majority of all this was serendipity. I was recuperating from surgery and needed something to occupy my time. It was mostly good karma, like when all the traffic lights are green. It doesn’t happen every time, but when it does, it’s good!
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on November 12, 2020, 01:20:01 AM
Fantastic....

...and here I was double checking to see if this was a "sloof-lirpa"!!

Seriously though, what will become of our other tamper?
Would it then become available for lend/lease/sale to Portland or Phillips?
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 12, 2020, 08:17:14 AM
I would hope we would use ours as an air car, maybe go back to hand tampers from that for quick spot work, and just hang onto it.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on November 12, 2020, 10:26:15 AM
I don't know the dimensions of Wilmar, but I suspect it will be too wide to tamp beside the station platforms at Sheepscot, Alna Center and the future Trout Brook.

Then again, I don't know if Big Joe can tamp by station platforms, either.  I don't recall it having any issues travelling by Alna Center, though.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alan Downey on November 12, 2020, 10:58:02 AM
I'm with Mike on this. I assume the potential resale value of Big Joe is less than value of what we might be able to get out of it. With it's moveable tamping heads, I suspect it's a bit more flexible for tamping switches and other odd locations. No harm in holding onto it for those occasions. It's worth mentioning that MNG acquired a re-gauged commercial tamper, so it is unlikely they would want to borrow Big Joe. All in all, I'm very curious to see the difference in effectiveness and speed which Wilmar will be capable of. I suspect a lot of "what ifs" will be naturally answered once it is in service and we've gotten familiar with it.

I'd be interested in seeing if wire or laser guided lifting controls could be added to it over time.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on November 12, 2020, 12:14:42 PM
Wayne, Mike, and I have been exploring and debating that application already.  Discussions with Harsco after we have Wilma up and running will dictate which way we go as there are several stand-alone applications that are used by earthmoving contractors that essentially do the same function.   The ultimate goal will be a unit which can line and level as part of its tamping function.  Over time this will help greatly in eliminating many of the side-to-side kinks and up-and-down undulations that we have now.  The benefit will be smoother rides, less wear and tear on running gear, and higher mainline speeds.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 12, 2020, 01:22:12 PM
I have just been tossing random ideas, mainly from construction, about what would work. Getting it operating and the guys used to it will be first. Improvements and modifications can come after.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 12, 2020, 01:44:13 PM
As built, this machine had both lining and leveling capabilities. From what I can tell from the parts book, both were accomplished mechanically. If we can replicate that system, we’re all set. Once the machine is at Sheepscot, we can figure things out and go from there. Why rerinvent the wheel?
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on November 12, 2020, 06:17:07 PM
They wouldn't happen to have a "redundant" B-B diesel locomotive would they?
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 12, 2020, 08:09:23 PM
I don't know the dimensions of Wilmar, but I suspect it will be too wide to tamp beside the station platforms at Sheepscot, Alna Center and the future Trout Brook. ...
  Wayne told me that they are shipping Wilmar on a flat rack shipping pallet instead of a container because it is just over 8" wide.  I think our cars run around 6'6 " or 6'8" wide.  This means we will have to figure out where Wilmar can and cannot go.  Depending on the vertical dimensions of the major large width items Wilmar may have to take the run-around-track at Alna.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 13, 2020, 12:04:37 PM
There will be plenty for all of us to learn about this machine once it’s actually here, including such things as where it can and cannot go. With more than three miles of track to deal with, if there is a hundred feet that it cannot surface and line, it’s still worth having it.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 13, 2020, 03:19:44 PM
I don't know the dimensions of Wilmar, but I suspect it will be too wide to tamp beside the station platforms at Sheepscot, Alna Center and the future Trout Brook. ...
  Wayne told me that they are shipping Wilmar on a flat rack shipping pallet instead of a container because it is just over 8" wide.  I think our cars run around 6'6 " or 6'8" wide.  This means we will have to figure out where Wilmar can and cannot go.  Depending on the vertical dimensions of the major large width items Wilmar may have to take the run-around-track at Alna.

If Wilmar is 8 ft wide, and is centered over the rails, there would be roughly 3 ft on either side of the track gauge. Anyone know offhand the distance from the mainline to the Alna Center platform?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 13, 2020, 03:55:16 PM
About 3' 6" if I remember correctly. Remember though, Wilmar is that wide at it's widest point. That is not at track height.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 13, 2020, 10:25:37 PM
Our tamper was readied for its ocean adventure late this week and is scheduled to be loaded aboard the ship in Brisbane over the weekend, with the departure set for Tuesday, Nov. 17.  You will notice it's sitting on a short section of track, complete with concrete ties. This is to keep the wheels from damaging the deck of the flat rack. It is covered with a heavy-duty tarp to protect it to some extent from the salt air while at sea.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 13, 2020, 11:36:39 PM
Tamper pics without the thumbnails.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s5/bbarry74/tamper2.JPG?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/5eea03cf-9481-491b-9315-6b0eef26b083/p/f99918af-0f15-42bb-af0c-bd3a2e3d8774)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/s5/bbarry74/tamperready_1.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bbarry74/a/5eea03cf-9481-491b-9315-6b0eef26b083/p/77a1a99f-26a6-431a-8428-3f4a919a21d1)
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 14, 2020, 08:10:43 PM
That's a good size beast.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on November 14, 2020, 08:18:29 PM
And with all the abuse they take from the vibration, you want a beast !!
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on November 14, 2020, 09:02:28 PM
With the salt air it might be a good idea to pressure wash it as soon as the weather warms in the spring.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 17, 2020, 07:51:53 PM
Wilmar is safely aboard ship and has left Brisbane. Expected arrival at the Port of New York is Jan. 11.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 18, 2020, 08:23:39 PM
Do you know what ship it is on?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 18, 2020, 08:53:09 PM
Initially, Wilmar is aboard “Seatrade Orange.” When that ship reaches Mananzillo, Panama, in three weeks or so, Wilmar will be transferred to another ship. It will transit the Panama Canal to Kingston, Jamaica, arriving there on Christmas Eve, where Wilmar will be transferred to a third vessel for the final leg of his Equatorial Tour to New York.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 18, 2020, 10:23:15 PM
Initially, Wilmar is aboard “Seatrade Orange.” When that ship reaches Mananzillo, Panama, in three weeks or so, Wilmar will be transferred to another ship. It will transit the Panama Canal to Kingston, Jamaica, arriving there on Christmas Eve, where Wilmar will be transferred to a third vessel for the final leg of his Equatorial Tour to New York.
Damn, doesn't Wilmar need an escort, or a baby sitter to ride along and clean the sea spray off periodically, during those transfers?
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on November 18, 2020, 10:27:12 PM
It will transit the Panama Canal to Kingston, Jamaica ...
Arrrrg!  :'(   Avast ye mateys!      :-[

I thought that I would be the first to  post pirate puns/(talk like a pirate) as Kingston at one time was called Port Royal and was a pirate haven ...  :o
http://piratesoflore.com/port-royal.html

Now its just a boring container transshipment  port ...

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Kingston Harbour in Jamaica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaica) is the seventh-largest natural harbour (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbour) in the world.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_Harbour#cite_note-PAoJ-History-1) It is an almost landlocked area of water approximately 16 kilometres (9.9 mi) long by 3.2 kilometres (2.0 mi) wide.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_Harbour#cite_note-PAoJ-History-1)  Most of it is deep enough to accommodate large ships, even close to shore.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_Harbour#cite_note-PAoJ-History-1) It is bordered to the north by the city of Kingston (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston,_Jamaica), the capital of Jamaica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaica); to the west by Hunts Bay and the municipality (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipality) of Portmore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portmore,_Jamaica); and to the south and east by the Palisadoes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palisadoes) strip, which protects it.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_Harbour#cite_note-2)
The harbour is home to the Kingston Container Terminal, Jamaica's largest port.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_Harbour
Hopefully Wilmar does not get kidnapped & ransomed, :o possibly to some other 24" operation!



Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on November 18, 2020, 11:16:30 PM
And the transfer crews know how to properly rig a load unlike:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvyIrsZ7Zhs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvyIrsZ7Zhs)
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 18, 2020, 11:19:06 PM
Blimey me harties and avast ye bilge rats, is it possible that the Jamaican pirates could hold our Wilmar for ransom?   Our lass Wilmar be no wench ye know.  Shiver me timbers matey, could they take their booty, the unsuspecting Wilmar, and butcher her into that accursed broad gauge that still operates on the island? 

We may have to belay their actions with our own team of buccaneers.  Together with Letters of Marquee we will have to batten down the hatches, hoist our own Jolly Roger, weigh anchor, hoist the mizzen and crush ye barnacles of those rapscoundrels. 

Flogging or dancing with Jack Ketch by hanging from the yardarm is to good for 'em scurvy dogs.  Once those scallywags have walked the plank to visit Davy Jones locker where those Scourges of the 7 seas be shark bait and me bucko, ye know dead men tell no tails.  We can smartly recapture our loot, the beloved lass Wilmar, and set sail for New York. 

Yo Ho Ho, savvy me hardies?
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on November 19, 2020, 01:47:59 AM
                                              *AHEM!!*


                  This is the W W & F .....


    ... NOT  The S ARRRR & AARRRRR L !!!!!!!  >:( >:( >:( >:( :-*
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Arnold on November 19, 2020, 10:16:55 AM
You really need someone riding with her through the Panama Canal! The line handlers will steal anything not locked down. I have shadowed a line handler throughout multiple watches.

Mike
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on November 19, 2020, 10:42:40 AM
I hope no-one TAMPERs with it on it's long sea journey.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on November 19, 2020, 01:03:29 PM
ye know dead men tell no tails.

I think you mean "tell no tales." (Once an editor, always an editor.)
John M
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on November 19, 2020, 02:28:26 PM
Hopefully Wilmar sends postcards from each port of call.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on November 20, 2020, 02:55:21 AM


I think you mean "tell no tales." (Once an editor, always an editor.)
John M

Well, we don't have any overhead bridges or tunnels, so I think we'll be ok....


... WITHOUT telltales!  ;)
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 21, 2020, 07:53:36 PM
Although folks from Down East may pronounce it "Wilma," the proper name is "Wilmar."
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on November 22, 2020, 03:14:06 AM
Wayne
I disagree

It is written Wilmar but it is called Wilma.

Now how do you spell the wind? Mariar? ;D
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 22, 2020, 02:36:44 PM
Actually, depends on what part of Maine you are in. Wilmah, making the long A sound would be proper. Wilma, wkth the short A sound is incorrect. And if you are amongst our french speaking Mainers, Wilmar is correct.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 22, 2020, 04:17:22 PM
[Moderator's Notes]
Thread title changed to match other threads for specific projects/equipment.
Some threads moved/combined.
The machine's name is "Wilmar" (as mentioned in the President's column in the Nov/Dec 2020 Newsletter.) However, as is custom in Maine, the r is silent when pronounced.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 22, 2020, 05:44:04 PM
For the record, my friend John Browning in Australia, the gentleman who put me on the track of the tamper to begin with, reports that in that country, the name is pronounced Will-Mar, with the emphasis on the first syllable.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Scott on November 23, 2020, 07:30:40 AM
Correct!
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 02, 2020, 09:16:44 AM
After leaving the Port of Brisbane on Nov. 17 aboard the good ship "Seatrade Orange," Wilmar has enjoyed a tour of the southern Pacific Ocean. The ship stopped at Botany Bay (Sydney) and Melbourne in Australia. It then ventured across the Bass Strait past the island of Tasmania to Nelson, on New Zealand's South Island, before traveling to the North Island port of Tauranga. Early on Dec. 2, it left Tauranga for the longest leg of the voyage, across the Pacific to the Panama port at Manzanillo, at the western terminus of the Panama Canal. Expected arrival there is Dec. 17. Wilmar will have a three-day layover there as it is discharged from "Seatrade Orange" and reloaded aboard "Long Beach." Check back in a couple of weeks for the next chapter of Wilmar's World Tour.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 02, 2020, 10:16:13 AM
I hope that at least we get one postcard from Wilmar on this trip  :o
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 02, 2020, 10:32:14 AM
Lucky Wilmar.  I have been to Sydney, Melbourne, Tasmania and both the south and north islands of New Zealand.  They are all beautiful places to visit and I am sure the post cards are on the way in snail mail.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on December 02, 2020, 12:47:37 PM
In case you're curious, here's a photo of the Seatrade Orange:

(https://i.imgur.com/dgJlgRN.jpg)
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on December 02, 2020, 01:58:07 PM
Perhaps another book in the series?
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 02, 2020, 04:25:46 PM
Two questions -

Why is the Seatrade Orange blue? ::)
Why is Waldo's picture on a book about Wilmar? :o

I'll duck now.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 02, 2020, 07:27:28 PM
“Seatrade Orange” seemed like a really generic name for a ship. I have learned that there are also ships similarly named “Seatrade Blue, as well as white, green and red.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 02, 2020, 09:49:21 PM
The Seatrade website describes Seatrade Orange as a 'reefer-containership'.
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In 2016: Delivery of the first three in a series of five reefer-containerships (Seatrade Orange, Seatrade Red and Seatrade White)
https://www.seatrade.nl/history

A number of their other ships are 'freezer vessels'.

Let's hope Wilmar doesn't get cold feet!   8)
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on December 02, 2020, 10:04:47 PM
Let's hope Wilmar doesn't get cold feet!   8)

If it doesn't during its maritime travels, Wilmar certainly will after a Maine winter or two in Sheepscot!
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on December 03, 2020, 11:36:55 AM
Hey unless Wilmar rolls itself a well tamped down reefer to kill the time and dream on its second life in Maine. On the contrary let's hope the reefer wont roll Wilmar too much if the sea goes rough.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 03, 2020, 05:43:43 PM
Would that be for medical use, Alain? :o

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on December 03, 2020, 05:53:54 PM
 Sure Jeff, it could help if the sea was ill-tempered.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 03, 2020, 07:57:33 PM
I don't think sea-sickness and the munchies go together all that well.  Just say'in ........
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 04, 2020, 08:38:44 PM
... let's hope the reefer wont roll Wilmar too much if the sea goes rough.

Alain has a good point.  Here is what can happen when a container ship 'rolls too much'  in heavy seas. :)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoQgSYMWEAUASNb?format=jpg&name=900x900)

That photo is of the One Apus containership which very recently  encountered heavy seas and lost a significant number of containers overboard. :o   

Story link (dated Dec 2 2020):
https://gcaptain.com/estimated-1900-containers-lost-or-damaged-on-one-apus/
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 04, 2020, 10:39:23 PM
What happens with a lot of these containers is they float just at or slightly below the surface before they finally sink.  Having retired from a commercial and military marine navigation company I can attest that these don't show up on radar and ships striking them is a common occurrence, not an exception.  Let's hope Wilmar stays dry and gets to enjoy her stay in Panama.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on December 05, 2020, 01:03:08 AM
Young MN sailor sailing Solo Around the World may have hit a container few years back.
No trace ever found.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 07, 2020, 02:38:37 PM
With the ship being a freezer/container ship I can understand some of the stops now, probably picking up Aussie and N.Z. lamb for U.S. and S. American markets and N.Z. lobster (very good but very expensive - Maine is better !!!)  Also, its just about time for berries and fruit from down under.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 18, 2020, 09:15:47 PM
Here's the next chapter in Wilmar's World Tour. This evening Wilmar was dropped off from "Seatrade Orange" for a few days of shore leave at the Port of Manzanillo in Panama after making a daylight transit of the Panama Canal today. Next Wednesday, Wilmar will embark aboard the good ship "Maersk Gateshead" for the final leg of his voyage. He's scheduled to arrive in the Port of New York, at the APM Terminal in Elizabeth, New Jersey, on December 30.

This was a change of his travel plans. He was originally supposed to sail from Manzanillo to Kingston, Jamaica and another few days on the beach before heading for New York. Discharge from the ship may be delayed a few days by the New Year's holiday, but he should be on his way to Maine sometime in the first week of 2021.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 18, 2020, 09:42:39 PM
Are welcoming festivities planned? Not another week of Moxie-fueled drunken revelry I hope......
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on December 19, 2020, 07:33:46 AM
Here's the next chapter in Wilmar's World Tour.

He's scheduled to arrive in the Port of New York, at the APM Terminal in Elizabeth, New Jersey, on December 30.


I know of several “watering holes” in the Elizabethport area that Wilmar would do well to avoid if he wishes to maintain his innocence!

Keith
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 19, 2020, 09:57:27 AM
Since you asked John,
Are welcoming festivities planned? Not another week of Moxie-fueled drunken revelry I hope......

  Both Wayne and I have discussed being present when Wilmar arrives on site.  As far as Moxie-fueled revelry, if those who wish it sound off,  I can bring some of the "old time" hard core Moxie with me for those whom require the hard stuff in their drinks.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 19, 2020, 10:50:04 AM
Sadly, in the interest of maintaining my personal health and safety, and in deference to my wife's sanity, I have decided to forego the pleasure of seeing Wilmar arrrive at Sheepscot. I know it will still be there in April or August or whenever I finally venture away from Lancaster, Pa.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 19, 2020, 05:17:51 PM
I'm sure there will be photos, when Wilmar arrives. Will the Lincoln County News be there?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on December 19, 2020, 08:56:36 PM
Jeff,
The LCN has already done a story. I plan to let her know when Wilmer should arrive. The excitement continues to build in Sheepscot.
Dave
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 20, 2020, 11:13:08 AM
It should be a big day at the museum, when Wilmar arrives.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Arnold on December 21, 2020, 07:40:19 AM
Here's the next chapter in Wilmar's World Tour.

He's scheduled to arrive in the Port of New York, at the APM Terminal in Elizabeth, New Jersey, on December 30.


I know of several “watering holes” in the Elizabethport area that Wilmar would do well to avoid if wishes to maintain his innocence!

Keith

I know other watering holes around there as well especially in Bayonne. If Wilmar needs to see the ladies after all that time at sea, it can get lonely out there!
Mike
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 24, 2020, 09:11:41 AM
After a few days of shore leave in sunny Panama (81 degrees there yesterday), Wilmar was loaded aboard "Maersk Gateshead" last evening. The ship left port at 2:08 a.m. today. It's now on its way to Newark, NJ, to the APM Terminal, the largest container terminal in the Port of New York. The ship is expected to arrive there on Dec. 30. This last leg of the voyage will take Wilmar from the equatorial world where he's always lived to the colder world where we are. Stay tuned for the further adventures of Wilmar, including the dramatic arrival in the USA and his overland trip from Newark back to the rails at Sheepscot! Merry Christmas, everyone!
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on December 24, 2020, 10:37:04 AM
Thanks for keeping us posted. Merry Christmas;
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 30, 2020, 06:44:42 PM
Cptn. J.B. Smith reports:

My Nephew-In-Law who works as mate on a tug in NY Harbor verifies today’s arrival of M/V Maersk Gateshead presumably with Wilmar aboard.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 30, 2020, 06:51:48 PM
Woohoo!
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 30, 2020, 06:58:31 PM
Yes, it's true. Wilmar was unloaded and "grounded" at 10:04 a.m. today. He'll be staying inside the terminal gates until at least Monday as the terminal is closed tomorrow and through the weekend. He still needs to be inspected by US Customs and several paperwork issues must be resolved before he can leave the terminal. When that happens, he will be drayed a mile or so, where he will be unloaded from the flat rack he traveled on, only to be reloaded on a truck to Maine when that all can be scheduled. It's been quite an adventure so far!
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 30, 2020, 08:24:14 PM
Has he sent any postcards from his ports of call?
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 31, 2020, 09:45:34 AM
Since he was not carrying a passport, he was not permitted to venture outside the gates of the terminals he visited.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on December 31, 2020, 07:05:29 PM
At least Wilmar avoided the fate of the Susquehanna Railroad's locomotive purchase made in 1991.

https://locomotive.fandom.com/wiki/New_York,_Susquehanna_%26_Western_No._142#:~:text=142%20is%20a%20class%20SY,Valley%20Railroad%20in%20Essex%2C%20Connecticut.&text=The%20Susquehanna%20Railroad%20purchased%20an,in%20the%20Bay%20of%20Bengal.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Russ Nelson on December 31, 2020, 07:51:41 PM
Will Wilmar be riding inside the container or on a trailer?
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on December 31, 2020, 09:04:26 PM
It was never in a container. It was shipped on a flat rack. Only had a tarp to keep weather away.

Tamper will be unloaded next week See Wayne's report above.

I heard tamper will be placed on a open trailer for it's highway trip north
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 01, 2021, 01:38:34 PM
Wilmar was shipped on a flat rack because it was slightly taller and wider than the doorway on a standard 20-foot container. Picture a bulkhead flat car -- that's what a flat rack looks like. It must be "stripped" from the flat rack before it can be moved to Sheepscot since we do not want to have the added expense of sending the flat rack back to the terminal in New Jersey. To make the operation just a teensy bit more complicated, on the same trailer that will bring Wilmar to Maine, there will also be a "new" lathe for the shop coming from a used machinery dealer in Pennsylvania. Thus, I have to coordinate getting the lathe loaded and tarped, then having the truck go to the dray yard in Newark to have Wilmar loaded. Both will be unloaded at the same time at Sheepscot. I hope this will all take place sometime during the week of January 11, but no promises. Stay tuned for additional updates.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on January 14, 2021, 04:31:06 PM
Anything new on Wilmar?  Maybe he's having trouble locating Sheepscot.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on January 14, 2021, 07:10:32 PM
Wilmar should be en-route.  Wayne's been working tirelessly to herd the cats, arranging to release the tamper from location A to be stored at location B, while arranging for a truck to pick up both it and a lathe.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 14, 2021, 07:16:43 PM
Last report as of this afternoon, Wilmar is spending the night someplace between A and B, possibly CT area, and will arrive tomorrow in Wiscasset for storage for a week before being moved to Sheepscot.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 16, 2021, 04:18:21 PM
Wilmar's adventure is nearly over. He is almost, but not quite at, Sheepscot. After two weeks of often frustrating time dealing with the marine terminal, the customs broker, the drayman and the truck broker, Wilmar finally made it to Maine and was unloaded at Ken Boudin's shop, just a couple of miles from Sheepscot. on Saturday  morning The tamper and the large lathe both arrived on the same truck and will be stored at Ken's for a week or two, until everything is ready for both to be delivered to Sheepscot.

Photo by Alan Downey shows the tamper and the new lathe on the trailer.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on January 16, 2021, 05:38:46 PM
A huge tip of the engineer’s cap must go to WW&F Logistics (a/k/a Wayne) for arranging for the donation from Wilmar Sugar and all that went into Wilmar’s cruise. I think it all turned Wayne’s hair gray. Nonetheless, Wayne stuck to it through all the nail biting moments.
Thanks to Wayne, I had the honor of being the first to sit in the operator’s seat of our first “real” tamper, lifter and liner. I think Mike may post a photo of that moment.
Though there is a box for a radio, I did not find a cup holder. I am told our shop crew will take care of this matter.
Dave
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on January 16, 2021, 06:57:51 PM
Echoing Dave's comments..
Many thanks and congratulations to Wayne for his tireless and patient efforts.  We are so fortunate to have such skillful and knowledgeable volunteers.
Two very important additions to our museum.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 16, 2021, 07:14:05 PM
I missed the unloading of the Lathe. Got there in time for Wilmar..

(https://i.postimg.cc/MG4wfHLf/0116210847.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PJbn7451/0116210848.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/T3NMBhfN/0116210848a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/7LC84DLH/0116210848b.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8Cq8P3Fh/0116210848c.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/2jnY3z73/0116210849.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8PHVBt3S/0116210908.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/6ppxHCJG/0116210908a.jpg)

And of course, the Presidential seat inspection. I think he approves.

(https://i.postimg.cc/jdKb7GMc/0116210855.jpg)
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 16, 2021, 07:33:12 PM
My thanks to everyone who encouraged and supported me through this adventure. While it really was not an ordeal, the past two weeks have been a real test of my patience. I especially must thank my wife, who didn't throw me out of the house when I expressed my frustration and anger more than once at the bureaucratic delays and hassles getting the machine out of the marine terminal, clear of US Customs, stripped from the flat rack and finally on the truck and on its way to Maine. I just hope this thing lives up to the hype!
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 16, 2021, 07:34:19 PM
Dave shared these photos today for posting:

(https://i.imgur.com/lQ0AvNT.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/dNv6WN9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/KGiRG3r.png)

What a tremendous job Wayne has done to make this happen.  Many, many thanks to him and Wilmar Sugar Australia.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 16, 2021, 08:07:39 PM
Looks to me that Wilmar will need a trip to the beauty parlor after that long voyage.  Hope we have a lot of wire brushes, angle grinders w/brushes, and possibly a needle scaler.  Get down to metal, some new primer and paint and Wilmar will be one handsome dude !!!  I'm sure Mike and Brendan will give the engine and hydraulic lines a thorough check.  Looks like a great SWW project for those folks who love shop work.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 16, 2021, 08:49:28 PM
I gave it a quick once over. There are some original hoses that probably should be replaced, but nothing immediate. Everything is clean, until you look at the motor. That is in less than pristine shape. I did say that if there were thoughts of painting it, that should happen before it goes into use. Very clean.

Speaking of clean, Alan got the dip stick out of the hydraulic tank and it was clean. Coolant was green, almost too green if you know what I mean. So that needs a test. And Jason has the idea to try draining some of it to see if any crud has settled, and make sure the drain works.

It needs an engine service. Oil and all filters. But other than that, the engine compartment looked as it should, no big leaks evident. The engine shut offs were located and tested, and both functioned. What I think was the throttle also moved freely.

(https://i.postimg.cc/X7V9zY2C/0116210858.jpg)

It has 2 onboard fuel tanks that will have to be clearly marked. One cap says oil, but is a fuel tank.

Operational controls. On the electrical side of it, the push buttons were checked and were not stuck, but I did not try the switches. The controls for the hydraulics were tried. The levers infront of the operators seat moved freely after initial movement. The push/pull controls from ground level did not. Probably need some PB Blaster or Knocker Loose to lube up to free them.

Cylinders did not show evidence of leakage, but it was steamed before it departed. The exposed shafts were all clean and shiny, not pitted or rusty.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 16, 2021, 09:16:48 PM
From what I was told by my contact at Wilmar Sugar, this machine was retired because the company was consolidating track maintenance and construction functions, rendering this machine and several others redundant. The plan was to disassemble the excess  machines to provide parts to other similar machines that were being retained. He told me the machine was running until just a short time before we actually had it shipped. So it should all work.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 17, 2021, 11:55:09 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing Wilmar on the rails at Sheepscot.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on January 20, 2021, 07:25:11 AM
Is there a place that the WW&F could re-use the gen-u-ine Australian ties and rail that came with Wilmar on his journey?
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 20, 2021, 11:20:24 AM
Regarding the Australian rail and ties under Wilmar, one thought I had is for an outdoor exhibit showing:
-- Lighter rail on wood ties set in gravel, showing typical track structure for the historic Maine two-footers;
-- 56-60 pound rail on wood ties set in stone ballast, showing our typical main line track structure, with explanation this was the heaviest rail used on the historic WW&F, and our use of stone ballast is in part to avoid mud season derailments that were not unusual for the historic WW&F;
-- Panel track set in sand, showing how cranberry farmers in southeastern Massachusetts and Cape Cod used light two-foot equipment to build and maintain their bogs in the mid-1900s, with reference to Ellis D. Atwood’s Edaville that saved so much of Maine’s two-footer equipment, and mention of our "Cranberry Special" Brookville; and
-- The track under Wilmar used to ship the tamper from half a world away, showing how light railways are still used by farmers, highlighting the extensive two-footer network in Australia and Wilmar Sugar’s donation of their tamper for our railway.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 20, 2021, 11:39:42 AM
Perhaps we can get a sample of South African track, and some British track to round out the world wide acceptance of 2-footers.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on January 20, 2021, 12:51:17 PM
And why not a 60 centimeter gauge Decauville portable track pannel.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on January 20, 2021, 04:17:05 PM
Perhaps we can get a sample of South African track, and some British track to round out the world wide acceptance of 2-footers.

Don't forget German dock railroads.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on January 20, 2021, 10:14:15 PM
What about the trackage in the Guinness brewery in Dublin? Is the track construction in India based on English railway engineering?
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on January 20, 2021, 11:48:08 PM
What about the trackage in the Guinness brewery in Dublin?

I believe the Guinness brewery railway was 22 inch gauge. Is that close enough to count?
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 26, 2021, 06:01:31 PM
The final chapter of Wilmar's World Tour can now be written. On Jan. 26, Wilmar touched down on WW&F rails, courtesy of Maine Locomotive & Machine's Landoll trailer. This brings to a conclusion the epic which began more than 18 months ago. Wilmar's part began a mere 10 months ago. Now it's up to the folks at Sheepscot to get the old girl running, and then there will be a period when the machine will be tested and people will be trained to operate the machine. If you're interested in being one of them, be sure to talk to Jason or Brendan or President Dave.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 26, 2021, 06:29:40 PM
Amazing.  Thanks, Wayne.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 26, 2021, 08:12:00 PM
There are photos on the WW&F FB page.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Sample on January 26, 2021, 11:37:02 PM
I just emailed a friend in Australia the news.  He will be pleased to learn that Wilmar landed at its new home at the WW&F on January 26, a very much celebrated holiday (Australia Day) in its native land.   
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 27, 2021, 11:04:29 AM
I just emailed a friend in Australia the news.  He will be pleased to learn that Wilmar landed at its new home at the WW&F on January 26, a very much celebrated holiday (Australia Day) in its native land.

An appropriate day.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on January 27, 2021, 02:20:20 PM
Does anyone know the brand name of the tamper and year it was built?  I should like to Google the company to read all about it.

Ted Miles, Life Member.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Harold Downey on January 27, 2021, 02:55:03 PM
Ted, see the first post in this thread, by Wayne
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on February 19, 2021, 12:59:31 PM
Re-activating this thread and asking some questions:

Has anyone stepped forward to lead and coordinate the maintenance and repair of Wilmar?  There are those of us who will be willing to come up and spend some time working on Wilmar but trying to lead it from afar does not seem practical.

Also, has a budget line been established for parts and any needed contract type work for Wilmar.  And lastly, there was mention of someone from the B&ML who was going to look over and startup training on Wilmar - is that going to happen?
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on February 20, 2021, 09:06:56 PM
Some quick answers:

Wilmar is awaiting its turn in the shop for a complete mechanical inspection and development of repair plan.  We’ve already noted some concerns which are a little beyond the scope of “insignificant” but have not reached “intimidating.”  We have had several explicit offers of help on this shop project including competent leadership- all of this work will be coordinated through our normal shop management channels.  The maintenance of the machine will be handled similarly.  In general we are tightening up these protocols for all mechanical railroad equipment; Wilmar will be part of the team (as opposed to standing alone).  Our Annual Funddrive budget had been supporting the acquisition and repair of Wilmar as it relates to the Mountain Extension.  We have an existing budget for Railroad Equipment Maintenance.

While we have had at least 3 offers of outside expert instruction for operating the machine, we must remember we have in-house tamper experience, not only operating Big Joe for 10+ years, but with our own Joe Fox’s experience running a tamper very similar to our Wilmar for several years at another New England heritage railroad.  We always welcome volunteer help, and if Wilmar presents challenges which warrant seeking specific outside advice, we will be sure to do so.  It is premature to be scheduling machine training as the mechanics need to be sound first. 

Wilmar is currently outside shop bay 1, as bay 1 is about to be staged for installation of an air compressor loft.  Once that is complete Wilmar will come inside for its inspection and repair work.

Thanks all,
Jason
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on February 21, 2021, 11:17:01 AM
Though every machine has its own “charm” if you will, tampers are overall much easier to operate than tie inserters. But both machines can drastically “ruin” track in a split second.

As far as museums or other railroads go, we are very fortunate to have such a wide array of people with different qualifications doing different things. But even better than those with the experience is those who so eagerly are willing to train and share their knowledge.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on February 22, 2021, 11:56:39 AM
Joe is absolutely correct. When folks with the knowledge and experience are willing to offer us help, we are foolish if we refuse.

The difference between Big Joe and Wilmar is the difference between a handcar and a locomotive. The speed and power of Wilmar is not something to trifle with, and again as Joe noted, it is very easy to make a mistake that will take hours and hours of labor to correct. I hope the Powers That Be will reconsider accepting help from people with experience. Who knows, they may become regular volunteers!
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alan Downey on February 22, 2021, 02:08:05 PM
We are REALLY excited to finally have Wilmar on home rails! But nobody is suggesting that thoughtful training and careful usage won't be necessary. If anything this is a request to "tap the brakes", and let the shop forces do a thorough and careful assessment of necessary repairs before we consider scheduling any kind of training- regardless of it's source. As Jason said, the very cursory inspection that has been done thus-far has already indicated a need for a total "going over". We want to make sure that when Wilmar is put into service, that the potential for subsequent downtime is reduced. Frankly, it's been a hard year for us in the repairs department as time caught up with a lot of equipment this year. We'd like to take the time now to try and nip problems in the bud before we start relying on it during prime track maintenance season, or have something pop up in the midst of training. We just want to get a handle on the mechanical side of the machine before we start talking seriously about scheduling training  :). We're very pointedly trying not to rush into anything, even though we are all eagerly awaiting seeing it out on the line doing it's job.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 22, 2021, 04:07:26 PM
Even though the plan is to thoroughly go over Wilmar, I would not be suprised if something were to break. It is mechanical after all. It is the nature of the machine. That is why the rebar is on some of the repairs. It is what they had in the field to work with to keep it working.

Plus, as the new operators learn the machine, mistakes are bound to happen causing a problem. That is how you learn. Make a mistake. Realize it was a mistake and learn from it.  Very few people are going to get it right the first time.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on February 22, 2021, 04:42:56 PM
Of all the MOW equipment I have operated over the years there is only one which breaks down on a more regular basis than a tamper and that's a brush hog / cutter.  The reason is simple, take a heavy rotating object and slam it into something stationary over and over again.  Something similar happens to tampers, that being the shock of oscillating tamper heads and stationary ground and rock.  I once watched a Canron Mark I tamper go through 3 tool heads in the space of a mile.  Now that was a unit with a lot of miles and little maintenance but under sufficient strain anything will let loose on a tamper.  Normally you'll first see it at hydraulic connections and then hoses themselves.  I can think of at least 4 people who have run tampers in the past.; Joe F, Wayne L, myself, and one of the guys I usually see on work-weekends from the West Chester RR although I can't remember his name.  IMHO if we have someone who does it as their weekday job, make them the trainer for the rest of us.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on February 22, 2021, 07:50:41 PM
Under no circumstances would I consider myself to be an "experienced" tamper operator. I have run a tamper a couple or three times over a short stretch of track, but in each case there was a highly experienced operator standing next to me. I have run one raising low joints a few times as well. I was one of the first people to operate Big Joe, but only because I got up on the seat first! I don't see myself operating Wilmar on any kind of regular basis since I may only get to Maine a couple of times a year. I would certainly yield my opportunity to someone who does it on a frequent basis.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on February 22, 2021, 11:29:13 PM
Hey Wayne,  relax - I said people who have run tampers, not professional tamper operators.  I have quite a few hours on tampers but that was a long time ago and I don't consider myself an expert by any stretch.  But I have observed the good, the bad, and the ugly, and I have learned what to look out for based on watching others blow things up.  (except my shattered hydraulic arm on a Kershaw ballast regulator that scared the hell out of me.)
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 27, 2021, 08:58:35 PM
Assesment work has begun with Wilmar. Some deficiencies were noted, and a plan is being developed to fix these. It will take time and money (hint, hint). Jason is not expecting this to be in-service this year, to allow time to do a proper unhurried almost rebuild or the tamper. The machine is very used, and investing the time now will allow us to have a better machine when it is ready. It was started on Wednesday to check the motor. It will be started again to check the functionality of all the functions to make sure there are no unseen issues.

Here is the engine compartment with the panels removed.

(https://i.postimg.cc/zDjyrWMn/0227210750.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Vk36RFrc/0227210751.jpg)
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on June 28, 2022, 05:57:40 PM
Wilmar had it's first day of production tamping, today.  700 track feet tamped.

Photo by Stephen Lennox.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on June 28, 2022, 06:21:19 PM
Great.  Wilmar will be a great aid in keeping our track in top notch condition.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on June 28, 2022, 09:15:42 PM
Now is Wilmar just tamping or is he now able to raise and level?  Can it align (left/right) yet?
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on June 29, 2022, 04:24:51 AM
It can do it all. However we are primarily using it strictly for tamping right now. As it is much faster to have a crew working with the tamper and jacking ahead of it. If the tamper was run by computer like the new Marc tampers, it would be a different story.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on June 29, 2022, 08:11:04 AM
I assume that "If the tamper was run by computer ..." would mean that the computerized tamper would need a laser reference system (one example shown below) pushed along some distance in front of the tamper to allow the computer to "see" vertical and horizontal curves?

(https://i.postimg.cc/7fFXWg3f/Tamper-Screenshot-from-2022-06-29-08-07-19.png) (https://postimg.cc/7fFXWg3f)
Photo credit: https://relaminc.com/equipment/harsco-6700/

Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on June 29, 2022, 08:39:31 AM
Correct. This also does grades, lining curves and tangent (straight) track, etc. They are very high tech machines, and very elaborate. However said machine, even used costs at least $750,000. And then you need someone who knows how to fix it if the computer has a malfunction or breaks down.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on June 29, 2022, 10:17:03 AM
The Harsco tamper had a lot more power than Big Joe.  With that comes a lot more productivity but also the ability to make a big mistake very quickly.  Mainly for that reason we have made a conscious decision to use only the tamping function initially and get good at it. 

The jacking and lining functions work together off a pair of integrated hydraulic jacks.  These cylinders need rebuilding, as do hinged connection points.  The rail clamps do not properly grip our rail.  All in all we face a mixture of mechanical deficiency and significant learning curve before successfully using these functions.  On top of that there is no automated guidance and control system, as Joe points out- exacerbating the chances of error. 

For now we are making significant strides in our immediate goal of preparing the Mountain for service by using the Harsco for simple tamping.  Big Joe couldn’t do what the Harsco is doing now.  The Harsco still needs significant overhaul work, which we plan for after the Mountain is open, and there is shop space to accommodate the work. 

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 01, 2022, 05:34:25 PM
That tamper is a beast of a machine. 
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 01, 2022, 07:11:53 PM
That tamper is a beast of a machine.

Yet still no cupholder for Dave.

Seriously, I'm glad to see Wilmar in operation with folks qualified to operate it.  I'm glad I (along with Dave) have been able to help by operating Big Joe, but obviously more stringent training and qualification is needed for Wilmar.  I make enough mistakes without the aid of Wilmar to amplify it.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on July 01, 2022, 09:29:09 PM
Great picture of Wilmar in action! Any chances of sending a copy to the donors?
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 01, 2022, 09:35:59 PM
The two people most responsible for the donation of Wilmar to the WW&F have retired from Wilmar Sugar Ltd. I'm not sure to whom a picture would be sent, nor whether the new folks would even be aware that it happened!
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 02, 2022, 08:54:42 AM
Could a photo be sent to the company, with a request that it be forwarded to the two retirees?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Wilmar (the) Tamper - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on July 02, 2022, 02:19:20 PM
The biggest thing with Wilmar when tamping, is the heads drift left to right. Which requires the operator to pay very close attention to the tamping heads each time you tamp. There are some things in the works to eliminate this and by pinning the heads in a “normal” working position so they won’t drift.