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Title: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 27, 2020, 09:19:49 AM
Here is a couple of shots of Box Car 56 while in service. Notice the hinges for the livestock doors.

Images are property of Gary Kohler, and used with his permission. He has recently done a Power Point presentation, and until it becomes book for can be found for purchase here. http://www.portlandlocomotiveworks.com/product/bridgton-saco-river-railroad-a-presentation/ (http://www.portlandlocomotiveworks.com/product/bridgton-saco-river-railroad-a-presentation/)

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Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on October 27, 2020, 11:48:38 AM
No worries about interior visibility with the size of those windows!  ;D
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on October 27, 2020, 11:58:55 AM
I personally wouldn't worry about additional windows.  If we have a small generator (eg. Honda) on board with LED lighting inside we'll be just fine.  I forgot to add - (1) a workbench with an outlet so we have a place to repair hand tools, (like broken handles), and other small jobs. (2) shelving space for mag-phone line reels, spare phones, and test/repair equipment.  I'm sure John M. would appreciate it.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on October 27, 2020, 02:24:21 PM
(2) shelving space for mag-phone line reels, spare phones, and test/repair equipment.  I'm sure John M. would appreciate it.
Thank you for your mag-phone thoughts.  :)  Certainly a field-phone should be kept aboard so that calls could be made from anywhere along the line that a phone post is nearby. I guess this brings up a question of where we would likely use the tool car. Additions to the TOM and EOT sites would be likely spots.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on October 27, 2020, 07:36:20 PM
I've been in love with this car since it reappeared at the WW&F.  The idea that it carried livestock is totally intriguing.  The idea that it can become THE Tool Car for the WW&F is equally engaging. 

A well-equipped Tool Car can be used anywhere it's needed.  That's the beauty.

Next to my commitment to the Electrical Building and putting power into the Carbarn/Museum, this becomes my next passion!
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Arnold on October 27, 2020, 09:06:35 PM
What the difference between a mag phone and sound powered phones?
Mike
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on October 27, 2020, 09:42:18 PM
What the difference between a mag phone and sound powered phones?
Mike
To be honest, I'm not really sure. I know that magneto phones use a local battery (a couple of D-cells) to power the microphone, and they signal each other by sending a 20 Hertz 90-volt signal to ring the bells, said 90 volts being generated by a hand-powered magneto in the phone (hence the name). With minor modification, magneto telephones are fully compatible with conventional telephones but rarely used that way; I doubt that's true with sound-powered phones. Now you've sent me on an internet search on sound-powered phones...

Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on October 31, 2020, 03:13:35 PM
Here's the current state of B&SR boxcar 56, as seen last Saturday, October 24th.

(https://i.imgur.com/HJ5WUJN.jpg)

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Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on October 31, 2020, 03:40:07 PM
I certainly hope that #56 will get proper tarp coverage if its not going into the shop for rebuild this winter.  BTW - do we have ownership of this car now or is it on loan from MNG ???
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 31, 2020, 03:41:46 PM
Interesting hodge-podge of material holding(?) it together. is any of the interior bracing salvageable?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 31, 2020, 04:48:29 PM
Yes, the car is ours.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on October 31, 2020, 07:17:01 PM
Great! for some totally unknown non-rational reason, I'm still in love with it.  Let's get it under cover quickly.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Larsen on October 31, 2020, 10:49:07 PM
Any trucks for this car or are we making them from scratch? 
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on November 01, 2020, 12:23:40 AM
See "The Bridgton and Saco River: A Technical and Pictorial Review" by Peter S. Barney for details and photos of this 28' x 6' 8.25" car built by the Portland Company in 1898. There are some great pictures of it and its brothers (57 & 58) with shutter-equipped windows added for livestock service.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 01, 2020, 02:29:38 PM
See "The Bridgton and Saco River: A Technical and Pictorial Review" by Peter S. Barney for details and photos ...

Available in our gift shop!
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 10, 2020, 08:30:53 PM
56 was placed on shop trucks and moved into the shop this week.

Stewart's photo of the car being brought from the parking lot and over to the roundhouse track.

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We pushed the car onto the turntable from the roundhouse track and 52 picked up the car on the turntable track.

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Coming into bay 3 of the shop.

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Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on November 10, 2020, 08:49:56 PM
I love this car, and I'm seeing more masks. Great progress on both!
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on November 10, 2020, 08:55:01 PM
Brilliant.  Thanks for the photos, Brendan.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 11, 2020, 11:07:34 AM
See "The Bridgton and Saco River: A Technical and Pictorial Review" by Peter S. Barney for details and photos ...

Available in our gift shop!

The book or livestock? :o

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on November 11, 2020, 08:39:03 PM
I've been hoping for livestock version for two reasons:  1) it's then just not another boxcar, but unique; and 2) it will allow more light into the tool car.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on November 11, 2020, 09:05:52 PM
If it's a tool car then "as-built" externally.  With tools and equipment we should have maximum protection from both a weather and security standpoint.  I fully expect that the car will be left out on the line from time to time and should be as secure as possible.  Big openings, like windows are easy to pry open.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on November 13, 2020, 03:27:51 AM
Folks,
         The pictures appear to show that the box car did not have freight trucks.

Does the museum have a pair to put under it? If not, the wheel sets are the expensive part, the arch bars are less so.

Ted Miles, narrow gauge fan
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on November 13, 2020, 09:32:09 AM
Ted, All the photo's but the first one, show box car 56 on trucks being moved into the shop,
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 13, 2020, 12:11:56 PM
56 is riding on shop trucks in the pictures. B&SR flatcar 34 came with the parts to build new trucks but the railway needed 34 in service for the work weekend that was coming up and there wasn't time to build new trucks. To get 34 in service 56's trucks were used for 34 and 56 was put on blocks in the parking lot. The plan is to build a set of WW&F common bolster trucks for WW&F flatcar 126 and use the B&SR trucks that 126 presently rides on under boxcar 56.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 13, 2020, 03:12:12 PM
So, when does the rebuild start?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on November 13, 2020, 08:32:04 PM
I still advocate for the livestock version to be a unique version of a 2 ft box/livestock car.

We can figure out how to make the windows weatherproof and vandalproof if we use our usual WW&F ingenuity.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 14, 2020, 08:38:02 PM
I agree with Bob. It shouldn't be too difficult to make the "windows" tamper proof.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 15, 2020, 07:13:00 AM
Weather and vandal proof is easy.

I took a quick look inside the car Saturday and the roof is original. It still has the bolts that held the roofwalk on sticking down through, complete with blocks that were used to keep the nuts from sinking into the inside of the roof boards. Really wish I took a photo but did not.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 15, 2020, 03:12:59 PM
Is the roof in decent shape?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 15, 2020, 03:36:14 PM
The roof's in good enough shape that Marcel was sitting on it as he removed the roofing.  He thinks he can save most of the boards.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 15, 2020, 04:03:53 PM
From the photo above, it appears the "windows" are actually doors hinged on the outside. They could be secured from the inside with a bracket on each side and one in the center so that they could not be opened from outside. In fact, if one on each end of the car was a dummy door, the other one would certainly admit sufficient light.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 15, 2020, 07:24:03 PM
Yes, that is all they are. Very easy to secure then.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on November 15, 2020, 08:17:24 PM
The livestock being transported must have loved being able to poke their heads out the windows!
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Marcel Levesque on November 16, 2020, 03:11:31 PM
The stripdown began last Thursday evening with the siding and ironwork being removed from the South end.  Last Saturday the roof was stripped of the asphalt rolled roofing and tarpaper along with what was left of a blue tarp.  I would say that the roof is 90%+ salvageable.  Applying the rolled roofing material whenever it was done did this car a great service.  There is some rot along the West side edge along with some insect damage.  Looked like the work of carpenter ants.  The fascia boards were removed along the entire perimeter and some rotted siding was removed for the North end.  The East door was removed and a general cleaning on the inside.  I evicted along of stink beetles.  Wow, what a stench!  My intent now is to remove the remaining siding to see what is salvageable before next weekend.  I, unfortunately, did not bring my camera so images are not available.  Early darkness now does not lend itself well to photographs after work.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 17, 2020, 05:13:41 PM
I'm sure some photos can be taken by the week day work crew, Marcel. It sounds like some of the car is salvageable.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 19, 2020, 08:10:38 PM
Some pictures to go along with Marcel's post.

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Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on November 19, 2020, 10:57:03 PM
Any idea why there is an extra stud on the end of the car?
Mike Nix
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Piche on November 20, 2020, 10:58:49 AM
Any idea why there is an extra stud on the end of the car?
Mike Nix

My guess is that's where the ladder attaches.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Berlo on November 20, 2020, 11:46:23 AM
That would be the original as built ladders, each rung being bolted directly to the car side. The US Safety Appliances standard ladders would be mounted on the left side of the ends.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on November 20, 2020, 05:28:36 PM
I'm very surprised at how good the roof boards look.  The asphalt really saved a lot of work.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on November 20, 2020, 09:40:39 PM
Now I know what I'm looking for I can see the bolt holes where the ladder rungs attached.
Thanks,
 Mike Nix
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 22, 2020, 10:39:50 PM
56 progress

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Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 28, 2020, 09:29:38 PM
Marcel has been carefully removing the siding, making his restoration plan.

A shot of the framing, where the angle brace was cut to form the opening of the window.

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This brace that goes to the corner is very solid. He will not know until the roof is lifted how good the tennon is on the bottom of it.

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJ1r4Dp3/1128201619a.jpg)

What I find interesting are these brackets. They are on one side of the car only. I think they were for a ramp, and were added when the windows were cut in. Possibly the ramp was only needed on one side. Time to dig out a book and look..

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Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on November 28, 2020, 10:33:03 PM
It amazes me how derelict that car looked, but what excellent "bones" it has - and the roof is fabulous!
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on November 28, 2020, 10:52:23 PM
Like the old saying:  never judge a boxcar by its cover ..... ;D
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 29, 2020, 10:51:04 AM
Mike,

A ramp makes sense for the livestock to be led into the car.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on November 29, 2020, 08:26:58 PM
If there was provision for a ramp, there had to also be a door large enough for a cow or horse.  Marcel, what do you think?

Bob
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 29, 2020, 10:00:28 PM
Bob, the regular sliding door would have been large enough, and that is the opening the brackets are under.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on November 29, 2020, 10:55:03 PM
Not knowing much about the B&SR's operations, I'll not say anything definite, but I will say that it doesn't seem too likely that full size horses were shipped in those cars. Full size horses measure about 4.5 to 6 feet at the ridge between their shoulders with their head and neck being quite a bit taller.

Most bovines, on the other hand, would comfortably fit through a 72" or so height door.

Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on November 29, 2020, 11:06:53 PM
Probably SR&RL only shipped narrow gauge horses.....
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 29, 2020, 11:53:50 PM
That is what the windows were for, for the horses to stick their heads out of so their necks wouldn't tire.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Springs on November 30, 2020, 12:06:20 AM
Were there sheep in the area.  Sheep are smaller than cattle.
With a name like sheepscot I always supposed there were.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on November 30, 2020, 01:46:27 AM
I recall reading the SR&RL had a customer in Strong who raised beef cattle. There was a livestock ramp or chute for loading and unloading stock cars in Strong, but I've never seen any mention of a corresponding one in Farmington so I imagine the animals were just led directly between SG and NG stock cars on the transfer tracks.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 30, 2020, 03:27:55 PM
That is what the windows were for, for the horses to stick their heads out of so their necks wouldn't tire.

A member of the HOn30 group I belong to has built a B&SR boxcar/stockcar with a steer or cow inside, its head sticking out an open window.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on November 30, 2020, 03:52:37 PM
What does the steer say when he leaves the station? I'm moo-o-oving my butt.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 30, 2020, 06:48:39 PM
Good one, Fred.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 30, 2020, 06:49:31 PM
What does the steer say when he leaves the station? I'm moo-o-oving my butt.
Fred, I think you and probably the rest of us are suffering from Covid staying inside too long syndrome.
 
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 30, 2020, 06:50:41 PM
From what I hear, Fred has been a regular part of the weekday crew. So, he's way ahead of us from away.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 30, 2020, 06:52:20 PM
On another note, any idea when the B&SR made the window modifications to 56, 57 & 58?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 30, 2020, 08:31:17 PM
What does the steer say when he leaves the station? I'm moo-o-oving my butt.

Well, atleast it wasn't a donkey
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on November 30, 2020, 10:03:00 PM
Ding-Ding:  Punster star awarded to Mike for that one !!  :o
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on December 01, 2020, 10:02:41 AM
I would say it was anything butt an ass.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 11, 2020, 06:10:50 PM
56 photos from this week.

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Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on December 11, 2020, 08:27:27 PM
56 photos from this week.


Gee....I only see three photos!  :)
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 12, 2020, 03:26:28 PM
Camera must have run out of its charge. ::)

Jeff S.

Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 12, 2020, 03:27:11 PM
It's surprising that much of the framing is in decent condition.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 19, 2020, 05:51:25 PM
The roof came off today.

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Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 27, 2020, 06:51:41 PM
Marcel removed the couplers and draft gear Saturday.

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Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 05, 2021, 08:20:55 PM
Marcel and Zack removed this side sill Saturday.

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Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 05, 2021, 08:41:22 PM
One could say it's a little worse for wear ............
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 08, 2021, 06:44:33 PM
New beams have arrived..

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZRqC15vw/0108211214.jpg)
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 09, 2021, 11:18:01 AM
That was fast. Sourced locally?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 09, 2021, 09:49:31 PM
There is a story to it, but yes. A local mill we use for this type of wood was used. The wood originated out west and was shipped east in 3'x 3' x what ever length, and cut to dimension at their saw mill.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on January 10, 2021, 09:58:44 AM
I believe that the lumber vendor/origin of the wood those beams were milled from was covered in the September 2020 WW&F Newsletter, in the article by Eric Shade, titled "After a Pandemic Pause, Coach No. 9 Work Proceeds", pages 3-4.



(edited to correct the newsletter date, September 2020)
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Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 23, 2021, 07:56:58 PM
Marcel and Zack were working on the side sills. Tennons are done on the ends.

(https://i.postimg.cc/CLtzgnXB/0123211614.jpg)

With the mortices marked out, ready for drilling.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Gh9HVx7n/0123211614a.jpg)
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 06, 2021, 08:59:59 PM
Side sills and spacer blocks were installed today.

(https://i.postimg.cc/5tm1Ktr0/0206211541.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/QMDhq70w/0206211541a.jpg)

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Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on February 06, 2021, 09:26:01 PM
Since I'm kind of stuck down here in PA,  who gets the job of applying the "green" preservative to the underbody ? :o  Since this is going to be a tool car, which by nature means a lot of rough treatment by tools & equipment, I would suggest considering a hardwood floor over pine as it will hold up better over time and abuse.  Or, put down exterior CDX plywood over the pine floor and screw it down so that when it gets chewed up we can just unscrew, remove, and replace with another piece.  Easier and cheaper.   I'll get out of the backseat drivers chair now.......................... ::)
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on February 07, 2021, 12:15:35 AM
Not too many screws -make the plywood snug to the sides.
isn't there a bunch of plywood overhead in the Car Barn?
Doesn't have to look nice.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 27, 2021, 09:06:55 PM
Marcel has been doing the tedious mortise work on the end beams.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QM97Nt5j/0227211336.jpg)

Squaring up the holes by hand with a chisel..

(https://i.postimg.cc/J4zG40VS/0227210758.jpg)

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Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 06, 2021, 10:06:51 PM
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Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 13, 2021, 10:00:11 PM
Marcel has been busy..

(https://i.postimg.cc/Jz6DWtGM/0313211822.jpg)

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Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 14, 2021, 10:42:56 AM
WW&F museum - the home of craftsman work.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on March 15, 2021, 01:59:58 PM
Well done you both  to restore  that box car actually a stock car that will be helpfull for the trackcrew. Wood, wood before joining the WW&F I would not have thought that wood  would have been the commodity you use and work  most on a railway. In France we mainly use metal. In Pithiviers shop it's tough to find a tool intended for woodwork and volunteers at large don't have a gift at working wood. If need be we call out a carpenter by trade.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on March 15, 2021, 02:19:22 PM
Wood, wood before joining the WW&F I would not have thought that wood  would have been the commodity you use and work  most on a railway. In France we mainly use metal. In Pithiviers shop it's tough to find a tool intended for woodwork and volunteers at large don't have a gift at working wood.
However, there was a time when wood was a key ingredient of French boxcars, and woodworking skills and tools were needed.  As a relatively well-known instance, the "Merci" boxcars that were shipped to the USA are primarily wooden cars.  For those not familiar with the Merci boxcars, here is one link:

http://mercitrain.org/Ohio/
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Benjamin Richards on March 15, 2021, 04:24:36 PM
The WW&F (and I suspect other roads) even went so far as to replace as-built steel superstructure with wood in some cases. Loco 4 is an example. From our own Roster pages:
Quote
Originally [Loco 4] had a full steel cab, but this was cut back after the Mason’s Wreck and eventually replaced with a wooden cab.
I suppose "using local materials" is the path of least resistance, and we sure do love our timber products in Maine. Cost probably also a factor.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on March 15, 2021, 06:24:16 PM
If need be we call out a carpenter by trade.
Here a carpenter is a skilled trade for building houses. And I’m sure teams of excellent carpenters built many box cars over the years. I expect those who built locomotive cabs would probably come not from the carpenters union....but instead the cabinet makers union. Luckily our crew qualifies as both!
Keith
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on March 19, 2021, 04:39:21 PM
The museum is very fortunate to have Marcel doing so much of the carpentry work on this car. I have done this sort of carpentry and can appreciate the skill/talent I see being done by Marcel. Very, very nice work.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 27, 2021, 07:29:41 PM
Unfortunately hot all parts are shown, but here is the progress on the boxcar. The crew led by Marcel is making great progress.

I forget the technical name for these, but it holds the draft gear and the cheek plates bolt up to the sides in the holes shown.

(https://i.postimg.cc/VkfKcSVG/0327211541a.jpg)

Marcel has been carefully removing and catalogging the old studs. Some he says he can save by splicing on a new end, but there are a few that will have to be all new oak.

(https://i.postimg.cc/c4MFj7Xt/0327211541b.jpg)

The other set of draft beams, almost finished.

(https://i.postimg.cc/zDhtwYhj/0327211542.jpg)

South end of the car, ready for the end beam.

(https://i.postimg.cc/pLsqVWN2/0327211542a.jpg)
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 28, 2021, 11:05:13 AM
Looks like steady progress is being made.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 03, 2021, 07:31:16 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/2yRy75GD/0403211003.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0yc61PkY/0403211003a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/FK671pJ1/0403211003b.jpg)

Marcel had hoped to have the draft gear back on this afternoon but I did not make it over to see.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 24, 2021, 06:25:34 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/xTc238Xc/0424210741.jpg)
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 01, 2021, 08:02:51 PM
Marcel has been working on the truss rods.

(https://i.postimg.cc/mgYCdbGK/0501211351a.jpg)
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on May 01, 2021, 09:54:31 PM
Question: What are the truss rods that are outside lying against the west wall of the shop building? Thanks!
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 29, 2021, 09:09:37 PM
Buffer block..

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Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 02, 2021, 11:15:56 PM
56 as of last week. Repair of the wall framing is the next step I believe.

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Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 03, 2021, 10:19:18 AM
I'm glad to see Marcel is back at it on the boxcar.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard Cavalloro on July 04, 2021, 07:04:22 AM
has any thought been given to moving 309s sheathing from the shop to the display area in the car barn?   Might protect it from possible damage....
   Rick
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 11, 2021, 05:39:25 PM
Wall framing starting to go up.

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Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 20, 2021, 05:31:15 PM
More wall studs have been installed.

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Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 15, 2021, 03:28:08 PM
The roof went back on today.

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Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 16, 2021, 08:49:00 AM
Thanks for the photos, Brendan.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on August 16, 2021, 07:22:22 PM
Nice!  It also helps show how much the overhead cranes now in all four bays have improved the capabilities of the shop!
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 18, 2021, 09:13:13 PM
Just a quick shot today of the progress. Coming along nicely..

(https://i.postimg.cc/1RcDC8DR/0918211235a.jpg)
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 20, 2021, 02:38:55 PM
Nicely indeed!

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on September 21, 2021, 01:21:35 AM
Is there a way to finger joint or splice some of the old siding,
make one out of two, so there is at least some of the original
sheathing?
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on September 21, 2021, 05:56:45 AM
I believe Marcel said his intention was to utilize original sheathing to make the doors, if possible.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on September 22, 2021, 03:04:30 AM
That is good.

But the cost of lumber is increasing and the old stuff is "Old Growth"
that is mostly not available any more. If the museum is going to continue
repairing house(sheathed) cars it may pay to invest in a finger jointer.

But then I am old fashioned, reactionary, and make Scrooge look like a spendthrift.
Alain knows what I mean  :D
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 22, 2021, 08:03:17 PM
Actually, lumber prices are falling and in certain areas, suppliers are already referring to the upcoming lumber glut.  I know in my area dimensional lumber is almost the same price it was 18 months ago.
Title: Re: B&SR Box Car 56 - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on September 23, 2021, 10:27:36 AM
Good piece of news given you use much more wood than metal.