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WW&F Railway Museum Discussion => Work and Events => Topic started by: Mike Fox on October 27, 2020, 08:19:49 AM
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Here is a couple of shots of Box Car 56 while in service. Notice the hinges for the livestock doors.
Images are property of Gary Kohler, and used with his permission. He has recently done a Power Point presentation, and until it becomes book for can be found for purchase here. http://www.portlandlocomotiveworks.com/product/bridgton-saco-river-railroad-a-presentation/ (http://www.portlandlocomotiveworks.com/product/bridgton-saco-river-railroad-a-presentation/)
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No worries about interior visibility with the size of those windows! ;D
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I personally wouldn't worry about additional windows. If we have a small generator (eg. Honda) on board with LED lighting inside we'll be just fine. I forgot to add - (1) a workbench with an outlet so we have a place to repair hand tools, (like broken handles), and other small jobs. (2) shelving space for mag-phone line reels, spare phones, and test/repair equipment. I'm sure John M. would appreciate it.
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(2) shelving space for mag-phone line reels, spare phones, and test/repair equipment. I'm sure John M. would appreciate it.
Thank you for your mag-phone thoughts. :) Certainly a field-phone should be kept aboard so that calls could be made from anywhere along the line that a phone post is nearby. I guess this brings up a question of where we would likely use the tool car. Additions to the TOM and EOT sites would be likely spots.
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I've been in love with this car since it reappeared at the WW&F. The idea that it carried livestock is totally intriguing. The idea that it can become THE Tool Car for the WW&F is equally engaging.
A well-equipped Tool Car can be used anywhere it's needed. That's the beauty.
Next to my commitment to the Electrical Building and putting power into the Carbarn/Museum, this becomes my next passion!
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What the difference between a mag phone and sound powered phones?
Mike
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What the difference between a mag phone and sound powered phones?
Mike
To be honest, I'm not really sure. I know that magneto phones use a local battery (a couple of D-cells) to power the microphone, and they signal each other by sending a 20 Hertz 90-volt signal to ring the bells, said 90 volts being generated by a hand-powered magneto in the phone (hence the name). With minor modification, magneto telephones are fully compatible with conventional telephones but rarely used that way; I doubt that's true with sound-powered phones. Now you've sent me on an internet search on sound-powered phones...
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Here's the current state of B&SR boxcar 56, as seen last Saturday, October 24th.
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I certainly hope that #56 will get proper tarp coverage if its not going into the shop for rebuild this winter. BTW - do we have ownership of this car now or is it on loan from MNG ???
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Interesting hodge-podge of material holding(?) it together. is any of the interior bracing salvageable?
Jeff S.
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Yes, the car is ours.
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Great! for some totally unknown non-rational reason, I'm still in love with it. Let's get it under cover quickly.
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Any trucks for this car or are we making them from scratch?
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See "The Bridgton and Saco River: A Technical and Pictorial Review" by Peter S. Barney for details and photos of this 28' x 6' 8.25" car built by the Portland Company in 1898. There are some great pictures of it and its brothers (57 & 58) with shutter-equipped windows added for livestock service.
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See "The Bridgton and Saco River: A Technical and Pictorial Review" by Peter S. Barney for details and photos ...
Available in our gift shop!
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56 was placed on shop trucks and moved into the shop this week.
Stewart's photo of the car being brought from the parking lot and over to the roundhouse track.
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We pushed the car onto the turntable from the roundhouse track and 52 picked up the car on the turntable track.
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Coming into bay 3 of the shop.
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I love this car, and I'm seeing more masks. Great progress on both!
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Brilliant. Thanks for the photos, Brendan.
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See "The Bridgton and Saco River: A Technical and Pictorial Review" by Peter S. Barney for details and photos ...
Available in our gift shop!
The book or livestock? :o
Jeff S.
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I've been hoping for livestock version for two reasons: 1) it's then just not another boxcar, but unique; and 2) it will allow more light into the tool car.
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If it's a tool car then "as-built" externally. With tools and equipment we should have maximum protection from both a weather and security standpoint. I fully expect that the car will be left out on the line from time to time and should be as secure as possible. Big openings, like windows are easy to pry open.
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Folks,
The pictures appear to show that the box car did not have freight trucks.
Does the museum have a pair to put under it? If not, the wheel sets are the expensive part, the arch bars are less so.
Ted Miles, narrow gauge fan
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Ted, All the photo's but the first one, show box car 56 on trucks being moved into the shop,
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56 is riding on shop trucks in the pictures. B&SR flatcar 34 came with the parts to build new trucks but the railway needed 34 in service for the work weekend that was coming up and there wasn't time to build new trucks. To get 34 in service 56's trucks were used for 34 and 56 was put on blocks in the parking lot. The plan is to build a set of WW&F common bolster trucks for WW&F flatcar 126 and use the B&SR trucks that 126 presently rides on under boxcar 56.
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So, when does the rebuild start?
Jeff S.
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I still advocate for the livestock version to be a unique version of a 2 ft box/livestock car.
We can figure out how to make the windows weatherproof and vandalproof if we use our usual WW&F ingenuity.
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I agree with Bob. It shouldn't be too difficult to make the "windows" tamper proof.
Jeff S.
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Weather and vandal proof is easy.
I took a quick look inside the car Saturday and the roof is original. It still has the bolts that held the roofwalk on sticking down through, complete with blocks that were used to keep the nuts from sinking into the inside of the roof boards. Really wish I took a photo but did not.
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Is the roof in decent shape?
Jeff S.
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The roof's in good enough shape that Marcel was sitting on it as he removed the roofing. He thinks he can save most of the boards.
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From the photo above, it appears the "windows" are actually doors hinged on the outside. They could be secured from the inside with a bracket on each side and one in the center so that they could not be opened from outside. In fact, if one on each end of the car was a dummy door, the other one would certainly admit sufficient light.
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Yes, that is all they are. Very easy to secure then.
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The livestock being transported must have loved being able to poke their heads out the windows!
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The stripdown began last Thursday evening with the siding and ironwork being removed from the South end. Last Saturday the roof was stripped of the asphalt rolled roofing and tarpaper along with what was left of a blue tarp. I would say that the roof is 90%+ salvageable. Applying the rolled roofing material whenever it was done did this car a great service. There is some rot along the West side edge along with some insect damage. Looked like the work of carpenter ants. The fascia boards were removed along the entire perimeter and some rotted siding was removed for the North end. The East door was removed and a general cleaning on the inside. I evicted along of stink beetles. Wow, what a stench! My intent now is to remove the remaining siding to see what is salvageable before next weekend. I, unfortunately, did not bring my camera so images are not available. Early darkness now does not lend itself well to photographs after work.
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I'm sure some photos can be taken by the week day work crew, Marcel. It sounds like some of the car is salvageable.
Jeff S.
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Some pictures to go along with Marcel's post.
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Any idea why there is an extra stud on the end of the car?
Mike Nix
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Any idea why there is an extra stud on the end of the car?
Mike Nix
My guess is that's where the ladder attaches.
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That would be the original as built ladders, each rung being bolted directly to the car side. The US Safety Appliances standard ladders would be mounted on the left side of the ends.
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I'm very surprised at how good the roof boards look. The asphalt really saved a lot of work.
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Now I know what I'm looking for I can see the bolt holes where the ladder rungs attached.
Thanks,
Mike Nix
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56 progress
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Marcel has been carefully removing the siding, making his restoration plan.
A shot of the framing, where the angle brace was cut to form the opening of the window.
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This brace that goes to the corner is very solid. He will not know until the roof is lifted how good the tennon is on the bottom of it.
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What I find interesting are these brackets. They are on one side of the car only. I think they were for a ramp, and were added when the windows were cut in. Possibly the ramp was only needed on one side. Time to dig out a book and look..
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It amazes me how derelict that car looked, but what excellent "bones" it has - and the roof is fabulous!
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Like the old saying: never judge a boxcar by its cover ..... ;D
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Mike,
A ramp makes sense for the livestock to be led into the car.
Jeff S.
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If there was provision for a ramp, there had to also be a door large enough for a cow or horse. Marcel, what do you think?
Bob
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Bob, the regular sliding door would have been large enough, and that is the opening the brackets are under.
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Not knowing much about the B&SR's operations, I'll not say anything definite, but I will say that it doesn't seem too likely that full size horses were shipped in those cars. Full size horses measure about 4.5 to 6 feet at the ridge between their shoulders with their head and neck being quite a bit taller.
Most bovines, on the other hand, would comfortably fit through a 72" or so height door.
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Probably SR&RL only shipped narrow gauge horses.....
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That is what the windows were for, for the horses to stick their heads out of so their necks wouldn't tire.
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Were there sheep in the area. Sheep are smaller than cattle.
With a name like sheepscot I always supposed there were.
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I recall reading the SR&RL had a customer in Strong who raised beef cattle. There was a livestock ramp or chute for loading and unloading stock cars in Strong, but I've never seen any mention of a corresponding one in Farmington so I imagine the animals were just led directly between SG and NG stock cars on the transfer tracks.
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That is what the windows were for, for the horses to stick their heads out of so their necks wouldn't tire.
A member of the HOn30 group I belong to has built a B&SR boxcar/stockcar with a steer or cow inside, its head sticking out an open window.
Jeff S.
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What does the steer say when he leaves the station? I'm moo-o-oving my butt.
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Good one, Fred.
Jeff S.
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What does the steer say when he leaves the station? I'm moo-o-oving my butt.
Fred, I think you and probably the rest of us are suffering from Covid staying inside too long syndrome.
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From what I hear, Fred has been a regular part of the weekday crew. So, he's way ahead of us from away.
Jeff S.
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On another note, any idea when the B&SR made the window modifications to 56, 57 & 58?
Jeff S.
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What does the steer say when he leaves the station? I'm moo-o-oving my butt.
Well, atleast it wasn't a donkey
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Ding-Ding: Punster star awarded to Mike for that one !! :o
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I would say it was anything butt an ass.
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56 photos from this week.
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56 photos from this week.
Gee....I only see three photos! :)
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Camera must have run out of its charge. ::)
Jeff S.
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It's surprising that much of the framing is in decent condition.
Jeff S.
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The roof came off today.
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Marcel removed the couplers and draft gear Saturday.
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Marcel and Zack removed this side sill Saturday.
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One could say it's a little worse for wear ............
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New beams have arrived..
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That was fast. Sourced locally?
Jeff S.
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There is a story to it, but yes. A local mill we use for this type of wood was used. The wood originated out west and was shipped east in 3'x 3' x what ever length, and cut to dimension at their saw mill.
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I believe that the lumber vendor/origin of the wood those beams were milled from was covered in the September 2020 WW&F Newsletter, in the article by Eric Shade, titled "After a Pandemic Pause, Coach No. 9 Work Proceeds", pages 3-4.
(edited to correct the newsletter date, September 2020)
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Marcel and Zack were working on the side sills. Tennons are done on the ends.
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With the mortices marked out, ready for drilling.
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Side sills and spacer blocks were installed today.
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Since I'm kind of stuck down here in PA, who gets the job of applying the "green" preservative to the underbody ? :o Since this is going to be a tool car, which by nature means a lot of rough treatment by tools & equipment, I would suggest considering a hardwood floor over pine as it will hold up better over time and abuse. Or, put down exterior CDX plywood over the pine floor and screw it down so that when it gets chewed up we can just unscrew, remove, and replace with another piece. Easier and cheaper. I'll get out of the backseat drivers chair now.......................... ::)
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Not too many screws -make the plywood snug to the sides.
isn't there a bunch of plywood overhead in the Car Barn?
Doesn't have to look nice.
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Marcel has been doing the tedious mortise work on the end beams.
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Squaring up the holes by hand with a chisel..
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Marcel has been busy..
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WW&F museum - the home of craftsman work.
Jeff S.
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Well done you both to restore that box car actually a stock car that will be helpfull for the trackcrew. Wood, wood before joining the WW&F I would not have thought that wood would have been the commodity you use and work most on a railway. In France we mainly use metal. In Pithiviers shop it's tough to find a tool intended for woodwork and volunteers at large don't have a gift at working wood. If need be we call out a carpenter by trade.
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Wood, wood before joining the WW&F I would not have thought that wood would have been the commodity you use and work most on a railway. In France we mainly use metal. In Pithiviers shop it's tough to find a tool intended for woodwork and volunteers at large don't have a gift at working wood.
However, there was a time when wood was a key ingredient of French boxcars, and woodworking skills and tools were needed. As a relatively well-known instance, the "Merci" boxcars that were shipped to the USA are primarily wooden cars. For those not familiar with the Merci boxcars, here is one link:
http://mercitrain.org/Ohio/
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The WW&F (and I suspect other roads) even went so far as to replace as-built steel superstructure with wood in some cases. Loco 4 is an example. From our own Roster pages:
Originally [Loco 4] had a full steel cab, but this was cut back after the Mason’s Wreck and eventually replaced with a wooden cab.
I suppose "using local materials" is the path of least resistance, and we sure do love our timber products in Maine. Cost probably also a factor.
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If need be we call out a carpenter by trade.
Here a carpenter is a skilled trade for building houses. And I’m sure teams of excellent carpenters built many box cars over the years. I expect those who built locomotive cabs would probably come not from the carpenters union....but instead the cabinet makers union. Luckily our crew qualifies as both!
Keith
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The museum is very fortunate to have Marcel doing so much of the carpentry work on this car. I have done this sort of carpentry and can appreciate the skill/talent I see being done by Marcel. Very, very nice work.
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Unfortunately hot all parts are shown, but here is the progress on the boxcar. The crew led by Marcel is making great progress.
I forget the technical name for these, but it holds the draft gear and the cheek plates bolt up to the sides in the holes shown.
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Marcel has been carefully removing and catalogging the old studs. Some he says he can save by splicing on a new end, but there are a few that will have to be all new oak.
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The other set of draft beams, almost finished.
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South end of the car, ready for the end beam.
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Looks like steady progress is being made.
Jeff S.
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Marcel had hoped to have the draft gear back on this afternoon but I did not make it over to see.
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Marcel has been working on the truss rods.
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Question: What are the truss rods that are outside lying against the west wall of the shop building? Thanks!
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Buffer block..
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56 as of last week. Repair of the wall framing is the next step I believe.
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I'm glad to see Marcel is back at it on the boxcar.
Jeff S.
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has any thought been given to moving 309s sheathing from the shop to the display area in the car barn? Might protect it from possible damage....
Rick
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Wall framing starting to go up.
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More wall studs have been installed.
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The roof went back on today.
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Thanks for the photos, Brendan.
Jeff S.
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Nice! It also helps show how much the overhead cranes now in all four bays have improved the capabilities of the shop!
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Just a quick shot today of the progress. Coming along nicely..
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Nicely indeed!
Jeff S.
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Is there a way to finger joint or splice some of the old siding,
make one out of two, so there is at least some of the original
sheathing?
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I believe Marcel said his intention was to utilize original sheathing to make the doors, if possible.
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That is good.
But the cost of lumber is increasing and the old stuff is "Old Growth"
that is mostly not available any more. If the museum is going to continue
repairing house(sheathed) cars it may pay to invest in a finger jointer.
But then I am old fashioned, reactionary, and make Scrooge look like a spendthrift.
Alain knows what I mean :D
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Actually, lumber prices are falling and in certain areas, suppliers are already referring to the upcoming lumber glut. I know in my area dimensional lumber is almost the same price it was 18 months ago.
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Good piece of news given you use much more wood than metal.
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Siding going on the boxcar.
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Terrific progress by Marcel and folks assisting. He has put in quite an effort to complete the car's framing the past few months, evident in the second photo showing the car's interior.
Thanks for posting these photos and others on the forum, Brendan.
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Great Photos! Now Box Car 56 really looks like a box car!. That Marcel is both skilled, persistent and talented. He also works very hard to preserve every scrap of lumber that comes with any project. I am sure he could have built a brand new box car in less time than it took him to preserve so much of the original #56. But as a museum, that is an important part of our charter. Well Done Marcel!
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Thanks to all of the pre-planning and preparation by Marcel and to his expert guidance, the sheathing crew was able to get the east and west walls nearly all closed in. A little was left undone on each side so that the corners could be completed at a later date. Marcel still needs to do some adjusting to make the corners come out right. Once that is done the south end of the car can be closed in. Marcel had already done the north end by himself! Kyle Blanchette and Nicole Ormimski worked on the west wall while Dan Malkowski, Nick Simoneau, and Yours Truly worked the west side. Marcel provided the supervision and worked both sides as needed. The result is truly a testimony to Marcel’s meticulous skill. It was fun to get a break from track work and to contribute my two cents to the restoration of a B&SR car.
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I had understood from Marcel that 56 was going to be restored to a configuration that included windows as it was used as a cattle car -- probably unique to the railroad. I have always been excited about this particular plan.
Is this no longer the case?? That would be unfortunate because rather than being just another box car, it would be recreating another wonderfully quirky aspect of our favorite 2ft Maine railroad.
Bob
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He is going to cut out the windows later.
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I thought #56 was to become the MOW / tool car. Has this changed ????
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We still plan to use 56 as a tool car. Restoration is looking great!
Thanks,
Jason
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I am still wondering about this tool car idea. We have two tool houses. I will guarantee that every time someone needs a tool from the tool car, and it's parked up on the Woods Track or somewhere else, that tool will NEVER be returned to its place. I can also guarantee that any time the tool car is needed, it will require half a day of switching to retrieve it.
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AND, Wayne, the tool you need will be guaranteed to be at the other end of the line, even if you have the toolcar with you.
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AND, Wayne, the tool you need will be guaranteed to be at the other end of the line, even if you have the toolcar with you.
Absolutely Guaranteed!!! Perhaps we should make an inventory list of where tools are located: toolcar, track house, other location. That way when we need a tool, we can at least know where to start looking for where the tool WAS located at some previous time.
This would be an aside task to occasionally park the tool car by the track house and relocate tools to their supposed to be proper location.
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Tool Car - Doesn't that mean a collection of tools likely to be needed when working along the right of way?
Not a place in which to store tools in general. If all of the tools end up there, they will never be available or accessible when and where needed.
It should be only for a SELECTION of those items that are routinely put on a train in order to do work along the right of way.
Otherwise this car will get filled up with (fill in the blank!)
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As I figured it the outfitting and use of 56 as a tool car will fall under the Roadmaster, Steve Lennox’s purview.
Thanks,
Jason
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Why not just paint a red stripe on the handles for any tool to be returned to the tool car. A blue stripe for a tool shed. A green stripe for the shop, ect. You could even just use a good sticky tape.
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He is going to cut out the windows later.
Which was done when it was on the B&SR.
Jeff S.
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Absolutely Guaranteed!!! Perhaps we should make an inventory list of where tools are located: toolcar, track house, other location. That way when we need a tool, we can at least know where to start looking for where the tool WAS located at some previous time.
This would be an aside task to occasionally park the tool car by the track house and relocate tools to their supposed to be proper location.
While it's a good idea, an inventory list would work only if tools get returned to the proper location. Past history indicates that it doesn't necessarily happen. And when that happens, the scavenger hunt is on.
Jeff S.
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Why not just paint a red stripe on the handles for any tool to be returned to the tool car. A blue stripe for a tool shed. A green stripe for the shop, ect. You could even just use a good sticky tape.
Now Eric has a good idea.
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AND, Wayne, the tool you need will be guaranteed to be at the other end of the line, even if you have the toolcar with you.
Just need twice the amount of tools..
I thought the intent of the tool car was to be able to secure tools on a jobsite or over a work weekend without having to haul everything back to Sheepscot.
I do like Erics idea though. Color coding the tools. After a big weekend the tool house tools could be returned, while the tool car tools stay in the car.
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Agreed Bill/Mike, Eric has a very good idea and color coding will make sorting a whole lot easier than trying to figure out which tool list it's on.
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I think a really good start would be to develop a master list of those "ideal basic" tools that should be always on 56.
This could be both a fun exercise for many to provide input, and a critical step in designing the interior of the tool car.
Of course it will never be perfect, but could always serve as a baseline for keeping the car properly equipped during ongoing operations.
Just a thought and a challenge.
Bob
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Carrying the color coding a step further, how about two stripes on each tool. The general algorithm would be any tool with two colored stripes is a tool car tool. Further, there would be 25 assigned locations within the tool car:
Location #1: Blue with white
Location #2: Orange with white
Location #3: Green with white
Location #4: Brown with white
Location #5: Slate (gray) with white
Location #6: Blue with red
Location #7: Orange with red
Fred, Stewart, and Brendan will know where I'm going with this. ::)
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If you run a cord from the boxcar to the locomotive bell,you could it a bell system color code. Don't get steamed up because I said that John!
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John,
At least you are sticking with only the 25-type color code!
Bell Operators Give Better Service!
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There has been the idea of a tool car in the past, the more recent idea came from Mark and I. The car wasn’t suppose to be designed from a previous type car. We thought a simple flat car, one half boxed in for tools, the other half flat for materials. The materials being ballast, ties etc, making it easier to load and unload the same. The tool portion would be the typical track tools needed to equip a 5 to 7 person track crew so they could simply couple up and leave Sheepscot station in a some what time saving fashion. There would still be the choice specialty tools or materials that would/will be loaded day of departure. The focus was on “Track Maintenance” and not necessarily the larger work weekends, but it would work great for the designated work Saturdays that we have been doing lately, specially if the crew chiefs had special needs and could let us know so we could load it in advance.
Everybody has great ideas for this car from tools to work benches, shelving even battery lighting, fold up bench seating. The idea of marked tools just for the tool car is a great idea except, at the end of the day, volunteers more often than not leave their tools where they lay not where they came from. This car has a variety of potentials but maybe we should start small and basic then work our way up. The box car rebuild and to use it as a tool car is a great idea, Marcel is doing a terrific job and when completed will be much appreciated.
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Good point, like the guy said that sat on a tack!
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Hey while you 're at it don't forget to save room and find a color code for an essential tool in #56, a few bottles of Moxie that will surely back up a lot the trackcrew In Pithiviers back in the day I must admit that there was always a real mess in the trackwork boxcar but we always found a fresh and safe place to keep a few bottles of beer or wine to support the spirits, no pun intended, of the track crew. Nowadays the MTP boxcar is still a mess but soft drinks have taken over and it's just as well.
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at the end of the day, volunteers more often than not leave their tools where they lay not where they came from.
This has been a problem that has existed for a long time. I think it can be solved by having things neat to begin with. We need to be better about tool care. At the end of the day, picking up and putting away the tools should be part of the work. I know I have spent a fair amount of time looking for tools because they did not get returned to where they belong at the end of someones day. Treat tools like they were your own, take care of them, and the next person will have them to use as well.
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This is a common experience among our volunteer crews, including those in public train service. By its immediate nature, several this past year or two or three have worked on the importance to have public train tools (flags and other train safety items) organized and ready. Ben Richards has done a terrific job taking this on, along with Ed Lecuyer and Jason Lamontagne. I'm sure I am missing others in this effort; my apologies for not directly thanking them.
I do think most all do their best to keep tools organized, but there's always room for improvement. I know I've failed at times at this effort.
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Back in the early 60s or late 50s Bob & Ray had a ad(?)
for a car company where there was a long bungie cord afixed to the
car so it pulled it back when it was time for service.
That is how I remember it - your perception may vary.
That is what is needed for the tools. {^¿^}
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Treat tools like they were your own.
Agree with the sentiment. The snag is that some people do treat their own tools by just leaving them around. I'm guilty of it myself. But what is sufficient for me in my personal garage isn't necessarily sufficient for a community space. There needs to be a higher standard, explicitly stated.
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There is. Shop rules have been drawn up. But it still happens.
Not sure where these go but I know where they are.
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Locks. We need locks on the tool boxes.
I knew this would happen. It has happened at every museum I've ever worked at.
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I'm surprised that this hasn't been made a separate topic.
Jeff S.
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A couple of photos from yesterday, Saturday, December 4th...
A view of the sheathed boxcar on the left in shop bay 3, next to coach No. 9 in shop bay 2.
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Marcel Levesque (center) discussing the boxcar's design with Jay Wiley (left) and Zack Wiley (right, foreground).
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I caught Marcel cleaning up the north half of the interior.
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Patterns nave been made for the wooden ladder sides that attch to the car.
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The only picture I took today. This is Ed and Marcel taking a break from stripping paint off old boards.
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Looks good guys.
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At last, a picture of the windows on #56 as originally built for B&SR. Query, were they just openings, or was there glass behind the shutters?
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Just openings. More for air I imagine while the critters were inside..
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Marcel Levesque was busy removing roof sheathing from the car on July 16th. Nearly all the sheathing will be reused, but Marcel will take the opportunity to apply epoxy where needed to repair/strengthen the ends of the sheathing, as well as the interior roof framing. He will also add truss rods in sections of the roof framing that don't currently have rods to help stiffen up the frame. The boards are varying widths and have dried out over the years leaving gaps between the boards. Marcel will close the gaps when the boards are reinstalled, and will swap boards around to avoid nailing back into the same frame holes from where he just pulled the nails.
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Once the roof sheathing repairs are completed, the car will get a metal roof, using the same technique Eric Schade and others developed for coach No. 9.
Marcel expects spot priming of knots on the wall sheathing will begin shortly.
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What is purpose of the single ladder rungs at the corner of the car?
It is looking great guys!
Ted Miles,distant but still very interested
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The single rung is a handle. There will be a stirrup below the car and the bar is needed to hang on to if the brakeman should need to be there for what ever reason (shove move for instance)
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It's for people with REALLY long legs to get to the top of the car. ;D
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Everytime I look at that box car; it gets better! You guys have done a great job re-building that car into apple pie order! and I am sure it will be very useful along all the miles of track. Maybe there are some oxen in the neighborhood that need to be moved?
Ted Miles, WW&F Life Member Build 11 Contributor
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Marcell put a coat of primer on 56.
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Was No. 56 one of the cars originally painted gray? That would be a nice contrast to the all red boxcars.
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From the Bridgton News, April 12, 1889:
“The first lot of cattle ever sent over the narrow gauge went down to the Junction Monday. There were two carloads of them; 18 head of fancy working oxen, belonging to W.W. Hall of East Dixfield, who, assisted by F.D. Hanson and Eden Cross, had bought them in this place and vicinity. Among them was a nice pair bought of Darwin Ingalls weighing 3900 lbs., and another pair of the same, of choice 4 year olds, white faced; one pair of nicely matched, of 3500 lbs. weight, bought of R.O. Moulton of Sweden; and one pair, twins, very fancy, bought of Nathan Palmer”
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The darker boards are what he was able to save of original wood.
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It has been a lon time since there was an update on this box car; I hope that the finishing work on this box can get done so it can clear the Bay for boiler work on #10 and #11!
Ted Miles Build 11 Contributor for 2023
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I took this a couple weeks ago. The numbers are just stuck on the car. They will be traced onto the car.
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Jay Wiley and Marcel Levesque were busy today working on No. 56. One photo as they discussed the day's work.
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Saturday, May 13th photos. A poor one showing much of the roof metalwork installed.
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Marcel Levesque continuing work of the roof.
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Marcel Levesque and Jay Wiley were busy today (June 17th) working on the car's roof walkway. In this photo, Jay is on the roof, holding down a walkway support, and Marcel stands inside the car drilling pilot holes through the ceiling for bolts to secure the support in place.
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Marcel was soldering metal roof panels today (June 24th).
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Good to see Marcel is soldering on....
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Good one, James. :o
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Will interior get any paint or preservative? Just the inside of vent doors?
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Marcel was busy working on the soldering today. In the afternoon, he was working on the center seam.
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While I was busy updating the public signboard this morning, Marcel was busy milling boards for the car's roof walkway and end platform, with assistance by Brendan Barry. After I was done, I walked over to shop bay 3 to get this photo of the milled boards.
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This morning, Marcel was installing newly received washers on one end of the car.
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A close-up showing the new washer to the left of Marcel's hand.
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"OG" Washers
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Thanks, William! I couldn't remember the term for these washers.
Marcel painted the town boxcar red today, with the help of 7 friends from the Bridgton & Saco River Railroad Museum (https://bridgtonrailroad.org/). At the start of the day:
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The painting was completed by mid-afternoon. Marcel takes a last peak at the sharp-looking car.
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Will there be a second red coat or clear coat for durability?
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Has a decision been made about what trucks will go under that car? I thought some freight trucks from under at passenger car were going under the #56; but I think that project has gone in another direction. I am looking forward to seeing the B&SR #56 out on the rails! TM WW&F Member
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Stunning in Red!
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A few photos from today. the second day of Fall Work Weekend.
Marcel Levesque, center in white t-short, guides a roof walk plank through the planer after Brandan Barry (background) has fed the plank into the planer.
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Jeff Schumaker paints No. 56's truss rods as Zack Wyllie looks on.
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The boxcar received a second coat of red paint today.
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A couple of photos from yesterday, Saturday, November 11th. Marcel has been busy completing the metalwork (grab bars) for the car. His work yesterday focused on reproducing the shape of this grab bar, on one end of the car. A matching grab bar was needed for the other end of the car.
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Marcel found another available grab bar that was about the right length. Here he's heating the bar to make the right bends. Amazingly (at least to me), his first test fit matched the required bolt pattern.
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Marcel Levesque test fitting No. 56's brake rod today before final assembly. Zack Wyllie looks on, as the invisible man (Dave Buczkowski) holds the ladder.
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No. 56 will be using the trucks that has been under B&SR flatcar No. 34. The two trucks were brought into shop bay 3 yesterday, December 30th, for installation in January, as described here (https://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,4530.msg57351.html#msg57351).
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I think that it is great to see the #56 getting a pair of freight car trucks at last. Thank you to
all who worked so long and hard to bring this car back to life! I just re-read the whole story; it is amazing to see so much new wood and old iron going into that Laconia box car. Happy New Year 2024!
Ted Miles, WW&F long time member
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Jay Wylie and Marcel Levesque were busy today (Saturday, January 20th) forming brackets to hold the coupler cut levers for No. 56. Note the completed brackets on the table to the left of the vise.
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