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WW&F Railway Museum Discussion => Museum Discussion => Topic started by: Matthew Gustafson on January 04, 2009, 04:08:13 PM
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Its your chocie! ;D
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Ballast hopper for track work and fill.
Rob
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Opps....
Can I change my vote? :-[
I didn't realize the poll was for AFTER the tank car, so that was what I voted for.
My ACTUAL vote would be for a TACONETT style combine. ;)
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We did this on the old forum. I think Taconette should be built. But who knows for sure.
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A combine for sure..
it gives wheelchair access... the RPO section adds historical interest... and it would sure look nice behind #9.
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Yes you can change your vote! ;D
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*MODERATORS NOTE*
I'm going to let this poll stand. However, please be aware that while it may be interesting to judge the opinions of the forum participants - this poll should not in any way be construed to represent the opinions of the larger membership or the Board of Directors. Also, be aware that such a project is outside of the time frame outlined in our current long range plan (the rolling stock needs identified in that plan have already been filled.) Finally, unless someone comes forth with funding for such an endeavor, such a project will not take place.
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I have thought about this myself. A copy of the TACONETT would be nice to see on the line, As funding and time allows I believe another flat with side boards for a coal car and a couple of box/ milk/ potato cars to make a longer and more historic train. I realize they wouldn't have any real use other than to create trains for photo run-buy's, but what the heck we can dream! I can see where a ballast hopper would be handy, maybe a modified Gilpin tram ore car. They weren't Maine but they were 2 foot and as a piece of maintenance equipment it wouldn't have to be a Maine prototype. Did any of the Maine two footers have a drop bottom car?
Mike Nix
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Man, you can read my mind Mike because I was going to ask the same question!
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By the way whats a potato car? Plus does anyone have any photos of WW&F milk and potato cars? I would like to see them! ??? ::) :D
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By the way what a potato car? Plus does anyone have any photos of WW&F milk and potato cars? I would like to see them! ??? ::) :D
According to the book I have, Two Feet to Tidewater, there were 10 Potato Cars, numbered 501 to 510. They were rebuilt from W&Q Flat cars (originally built by Portland in 1894) into potato cars in 1910-1911. Basically a box car with a stove in them to provide heat to keep the potatoes from freezing.
I do not have any pictures of them to post, but the books I have on the WW&F show the potato cars as a box car with a smoke stack on top.
As for the Turner Dairy Centre milk cars, I found a picture of Milk car #65 in the book, Two Feet to Tidewater, and it too has a smoke stack on the roof. I am guessing to keep the milk from freezing in the winter. The book says #65 was an insulated milk reefer, lettered for Turner Centre Dairy Assoc., built in 1906 by Portland.
Ah! I just found a drawing of Milk Car #65 in the book Two Feet to Tidewater, and it mentions that #65 was in service as a potato car in later years. According to the comments in the book, it was originally boxcar red with white lettering, then re-painted reefer yellow, with a green roof without lettering or numbers for potato service. And automatic couplers were added in approx. 1916.
No, I did not spell it incorrectly. The book spells it Centre. ;)
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Were the WW&F milk cars were built as tankcars or boxcars (ones that can store milk contaners in them)? ??? ??? ???
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Matt,
Back in the day of the WW&F, milk was in milk cans and they were carried in box cars if there were alot or in the baggage section of a combine.
Tom C.
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Actually they had cars that were Turner Center (or Centre to be historically accurate) dairy cars. Not insulated but double walled if I remember the description. Also had stoves in them for heat. And since I now have my copy of Narrow Gauge in the Sheepscot Valley, Volume#4 out, I can see how accurate I was. Surprised I was able to recall that.
The book stated and shows the typical reefer style doors ( they fold out, not slide like typical boxcars) and a window in the side. I guess the milk was scared of the dark?
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Milk cars sometimes had an attendant that traveled with the car to maintain the stove, etc. The window allowed light into the car.
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The window was for the light cream....
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Ira, probably if I would have looked into the window I would have seen that one coming. Thanks for the laugh.
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Does anyone have any drawings on what the future handicap WW&F combine will look like? ::) ;) :)
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At the moment there is no "future" WW&F combined as there are no plans at the moment to build one. The original WW&F had two combineds and a full baggage car at one time. The car mentioned here was the Taconnet. It was a baggage/RPO/passenger car built by the Jackson & Sharp Co. in 1901. It came with a coach named Vassalboro. From what I can tell these cars were shorter in length and taller the the #3. Give me some time and I can come up with a drawing of the car to post.
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I vote a passenger car with wheelchair acess.
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I vote a passenger car with wheelchair acess.
Yes, but we like to build things that the railway originally had. I think that's the reason people talk about the Taconnet. To avoid transporting the wheelchair passengers in the baggage compartment, we could make the interconnecting door to the passenger compartment and the aisles large enough to accommodate a wheel chair.
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I vote a passenger car with wheelchair acess.
Yes, but we like to build things that the railway originally had. I think that's the reason people talk about the Taconnet. To avoid transporting the wheelchair passengers in the baggage compartment, we could make the interconnecting door to the passenger compartment and the aisles large enough to accommodate a wheel chair.
The interior of the car could be of our own design. I would like to see a design for someone who is in a wheel chair to be able to stay in it the whole trip. Perhaps leaving some seats out or something like that so they could sit oin front of a window, instead of looking out a door.
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The interior of the car could be of our own design. I would like to see a design for someone who is in a wheel chair to be able to stay in it the whole trip. Perhaps leaving some seats out or something like that so they could sit oin front of a window, instead of looking out a door.
Yes, we definitely need to provide a better ride than we do now - i.e a window view.
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Maybe we can build a potato car and a milkcar! It would be cool to have some produce frieght cars! ::) ;) :)
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Maybe we can build a baggage and combine cars that are both handicapped so we have a good looking express train! ::) ;) :)
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The original WW&F didn't have a baggage car. There wasn't enough passengers to ever warrant one.
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My vote would go to a reproduction of car 1 the baggage,rpo,express car for these reasons this car would provide ADA access as it has window in the baggage area plus be able to show a rpo section and the express section could allow people to shot photos from the express door and this would give you 2/3s of the original train set. By the way it should be numbered 1
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The original WW&F didn't have a baggage car. There wasn't enough passengers to ever warrant one.
Yes technically they did. #1 which came with the the original order of passenger cars was more or less a baggage car. It did have a mail section but there was no passenger section. The car is seen in photos as late as 1934 from what I can see.
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I know everyone has his "pet" new car, but a copy of the cream car is mine. A yellow car with a green roof would really add color to the a freight or mixed train consist. It would double as a tool car. Add the stove and you have a warming shelter for winter work projects.
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I like the idea but I think it should be painted green not yellow. ::) ;) :)
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Ok, whie I can see the point there, and it may be "do-able" as a series of winter/off season projects (to get the rest of the "fleet" up to spec), I think we need to concider the availability of the rolling stock. Especially the passenger "fleet."
It might not be a bad idea to have at least one coach "extra" for when annother is down for conciderable maintenance that might take it out of service for most or all of a running-season.
Now, I realize that with the major rehabs done to most of the passenger stock as it's come in, it may be quite some time before anything will need to be so fully rebuilt that it'd be out of service for longer than a single off-season.
Just the same, I think it's a point worth be concidered.
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It is important to remember that all of our wooden equipment should be stored indoors, hence the addition to the shop building. The Long Range Plan calls for eventual construction of a car storage building. When that has been completed, we can start adding cars. Of course, we can dream in the meantime :)
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Why is coach #8 runing with frieght car wheels anyway? ??? Was it like that when it first arrived at Shepscotts? ::)
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Why is coach #8 runing with freight car wheels anyway? Was it like that when it first arrived?
Yes. Coach 8 was built by Edaville and undoubtedly incorporated parts from disused freight cars.
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I think Cosmo has some good ideas about having a spare coach. But also having extra trucks would be a good thing too. The idea of teaming up with the Sandy River guys and Boothbay is also good. Cosmo said that things were rebuilt on arrival so not much work might be needed. But Sometime back I seem to have heard that coach 3 could use some sill work plus other body work not unusal as wood cars need alot of upkeep.
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Yeah, that's kinda what I'm getting at. Even if the car-barn gets built within the next 2 years, that's 2 more years out in the weather for much of the rolling stock. Look at the work the caboose needed after just a few years, and she was built NEW!
So, even in the most ideal situatio, any wooden stock is going to need some major board-replacement-overhaul at some point, so it makes sense to add to the fleet enough so that stock can be rotated in/out of the shop as necessary.
It might only take one or two cars in the next 5-10 years, but it's something to look at planning wise. ;)
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I think Cosmo has some good ideas about having a spare coach. But also having extra trucks would be a good thing too. The idea of teaming up with the Sandy River guys and Boothbay is also good. Cosmo said that things were rebuilt on arrival so not much work might be needed. But Sometime back I seem to have heard that coach 3 could use some sill work plus other body work not unusal as wood cars need alot of upkeep.
I agree with you on this one. but can we also team up with MNGM? :) ;) ::) :)
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MNG doesn't need any more coaches. They have too many to maintain as it is.