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Title: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on May 25, 2020, 11:52:50 AM
NOTE: THIS IS BEING OFFERED BY CARL SODERSTROM- LM649



I have acquired an etched brass Loco kit  of a Portland Forney like #9 Titled "Maine Two Foot Forney"

This is a nice looking kit, a work of art, and in my opinion would be suitable for framing if not built. Roughly 5 X 10 inches. This is a "Craftsman" kit.

It is designed to fit an "N gauge" mechanism (not supplied). Four pages of history and instructions are supplied.

7 Hinkley & 7 Portland engines are listed. Encompassing all Maine 2 footers.
The one most relevant is SR #5 = SR&RL #6 = KC = WW&F #9.



TERMS

This is an experiment, if it goes not too badly it may be repeated.
There are several reasons for doing it this way:

The winning bidder will be notified on the site. The Successful Bidder will remit payment to the WW&F Gift Shop with the "ship to address." I will then mail the kit, saving postage. It could be picked up at the Gift Shop. (When things settle down.)
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Dan Malkowski on May 25, 2020, 01:21:52 PM
I guess I'll start the bidding at $25
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Wesley Ewell on May 25, 2020, 05:13:36 PM
Do you have any indication of what scale this is? N-scale track was used by some early Sn2 modelers. Can you give us some dimensions of the parts? Thanks -Wes Ewell
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on May 25, 2020, 05:35:56 PM
The instructions indicate HO.

When I click on the above attachment it opens to about 90% size (on my screen)
As stated roughly 5 X 10. Get a scale out and enlarge your screen or shrink (for us old geezers)
to size.

Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Wesley Ewell on May 25, 2020, 08:53:57 PM
It scales out to 1:48 or On2. Much too big for an N-scale mechanism.
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Dan Welch on May 25, 2020, 09:39:55 PM
I'll up the bid to $50.00. 
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on May 26, 2020, 02:59:26 PM
The instructions say HO

I took a few measurements (very few)

On the cab front:

The hole for the boiler = 3/4 inch,
It is 1 19/32 inches wide,
It is 1 11/16 high

Cab side = 1 5/8 not including the roof overhang.

Hope you can extrapolate from that.



 
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on May 26, 2020, 07:00:34 PM
At least according to Google....

HO is 1:87 scale
S is 1:64 scale
O is 1:48 scale

If the cab side on the model is 1.625", that scales up to 78 inches at 1:48 (O Scale)

The well-known line drawing of #9 (used as the WW&F logo) shows the cab side at 6' 5", or 77 inches.

Thus, the model up for auction APPEARS to be On2.

A little mystery we have here...
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on May 28, 2020, 08:14:07 PM
Carl has provided the instruction sheet that comes with the model:

(http://wwfry.org/pics/for_forum/instr1.png)

(http://wwfry.org/pics/for_forum/instr2.png)

(http://wwfry.org/pics/for_forum/instr3.png)

(http://wwfry.org/pics/for_forum/instr4.png)
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Pete Leach on May 29, 2020, 11:28:20 AM
So, reading through the instructions, this is an HO scale model that would run on scale 30 inch gauge track, aka HOn30. This is the same scale and gauge made popular by Bob Hayden and Dave Frary many years ago. These models run on N Scale (9mm gauge) track. The instructions posted recommend a Bachmann N-Scale 0-4-0 Dockside Switcher mechanism to power the model (Available on eBay and other sites.)

This is still an active form of modeling Maine 2-ft railroads. Chris McChesney (co-author of the Narrow Gauge in the Sheepscot Valley series) was very successful in getting these very small locomotive models to run. He even wrote a book on the subject and is available on Gary Kohler's Portland Locomotive Works website.

I personally have tried and failed to accomplish what Chris and others have done. My eyes are too bad, my fingers are too fat, and my abilities are lacking... I am modeling my version of the WW&F in O scale, 30 inch gauge (On30).

This would be a great model for someone willing to take the time to build and tinker with the mechanism (not included).
Good luck,
Pete Leach
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Bob Springs on May 29, 2020, 01:11:32 PM
I have experimented with HOn30 and found the biggest problem is reliable power pickup from the track.  Keeping the wheels and track totally clean seems to be the main issue.  There is a sure fire way around this.  Battery power R/C, and yes, systems are now small enough to do this in HOn30.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbooLfzvvAk 
Adapting this technology would take some tinkering but could be well worth it.
Also consider that using a mechanism from a smaller scale to model narrow gauge in a larger scale means the model bodies have more room for the tech stuff and to add more weight. 
Going back to using basic track power, just adding more weight helps a lot.
While HOn30 uses N scale track and mechanisms the SCALE is HO so all those structures, figures, etc. that HO offers are there for one to use and HO has, by far, the greatest selection.
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Tim Fillion on May 31, 2020, 09:41:37 PM
I will up the bid to $65.00.  I believe this is an O scale kit with HO Scale drawings in the instructions.  I plan to built an Ariel/Puck out of this in On30.
Tim Fillion
Bedford  Mass.
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Donovan Whittemore on June 01, 2020, 10:28:38 PM
Hi All, I'm a lapsed member who's been lurking for many years, but I just had to log in and respond to this thread. I am almost certain that this is an HOn30 kit from the 70's or early 80's, meant to be built over the Bachmann N scale Dockside 0-4-0. I would have given anything to find one of these back in the day, but I had to build my number 8 from scratch instead, all good fun of course! At the time this kit was made, HOn30 was the prevalent scale/gauge for 2 foot narrow gauge models, thanks in great part to the wonderful models and articles put together by Bob Hayden and Dave Frary. Of course, there were pioneers of Maine 2 foot gauge modelling before that: Hugh Boutell, Dick Andrews and Bob Brown all scratchbuilt amazing O scale models in the 40's and 50's, and Bob Brown built his famous Wiscasset waterfront module in the early 60's. I digress, this is a great little etched brass cab and tender, but I do hope whoever buys it realizes that it will almost certainly be HO scale.
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on June 02, 2020, 05:49:53 PM
As to the scale, If the hole for the boiler in the front of the cab is 3/4 inch than it has to be O scale as that would be three scale feet. HO would scale closer to six feet, way too big.
As was stated before, it's a O scale model with HO instructions!
M. Nix
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Donovan Whittemore on June 02, 2020, 08:12:22 PM
I think if Ed could take a second photo of the etched parts alongside a ruler it would settle the question nicely? Robert E. Sloan made kits and parts in several scales, but the instructions for this kit do specifically say "HO." They could possibly be O scale parts with a set of HO instructions, but this same kit in HO scale is also pictured in this link: https://maineon2faq.wordpress.com/2016/11/21/sloan/
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Donovan Whittemore on June 02, 2020, 09:30:31 PM
Carl mentions that the photo appears on his screen at about 90% of actual size, the photo I took of my HO model against my screen jibes with that pretty well. Forgot to mention that was the reason for my posting the photo...

My apologies if I come across as a Debbie Downer! I just thought my experience might be a help to the bidders, I'm approaching 50 years of Maine 2 Foot gauge immersion. I grew up playing in, on, and around the old Sandy River buildings and roadbed, and I've been building 2 foot gauge models since I found Robert Jones' WW&F book in Mr. Paperback in 1987. I live in California now, hence my woeful failure to make an appearance at the museum and pitch in...
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on June 02, 2020, 09:35:55 PM
I should note that it is impossible to judge size based on a computer screen (without a point of reference, such as a ruler.) A computer screen could be any number of dimensions physically, then a screen resolution, then font size, and pixels per inch of a monitor. Thus, I caution against using that statement to judge the scale of the kit being offered.
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on June 03, 2020, 12:04:22 AM
That is why I said "on my monitor" - (which means your results may vary) if you make the image match the dimensions
I gave for the cab all else should fall in place.-

I will endeavor to do a copy with a scale.
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on June 04, 2020, 04:12:16 PM
Carl has provided this photo, which adds a ruler to help bidders determine the scale of the kit.
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Harold Downey on June 04, 2020, 06:12:24 PM
I estimate the cab width to be 1-5/8", and actual scale about 81", which works out to 49.8:1.   Sounds like O scale. 
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Bob Springs on June 04, 2020, 06:24:25 PM
Harold is right. 
1 5/8 inch cab width would be almost 12 feet in HO scale! (1 to 87)
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Donovan Whittemore on June 04, 2020, 08:54:24 PM
Nice! Glad it was settled. That will be a great project, or a nice bit of model railroading history to keep on the shelf.
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on June 10, 2020, 12:06:54 AM
Almost last call for bid

Going!
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on June 11, 2020, 12:36:51 AM
Last call.

Going!
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on June 12, 2020, 01:12:22 AM
Sold!

{I will up the bid to $65.00.  I believe this is an O scale kit with HO Scale drawings in the instructions.  I plan to built an Ariel/Puck out of this in On30.}
Tim Fillion

Tim you are the lucky bidder.
If you will send your check (Made out to The WW&F) & the ship to address to:

Wiscasset, Waterville and Farmington Railway Museum
PO Box 242
Alna, ME 04535, US
(207)882-4193

Attn. Cindy Rhine

She will let me know where to send the package.

Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: James Patten on June 12, 2020, 06:46:06 AM
Carl, I changed the mailing address of the Museum in your post.  It should be sent to the PO box, not the physical mailing address.
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 12, 2020, 08:16:32 AM
Hi Carl,

The museum charges $12 for shipping.  It looks like you are covering the mailing charge, is that correct?

Thanks for making the kit available for the benefit of the WW&F.
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Tim Fillion on June 12, 2020, 08:28:56 AM
I will include the $12 shipping cost in a check to the PO Box.
Looking forward to seeing what I can do with this kit.
Thanks,
Tim Fillion
44 Gould Road
Bedford, MA 01730
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Tim Fillion on June 12, 2020, 08:31:54 AM
Or Carl should I send the $12 to you ???
Tim
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on June 12, 2020, 10:32:00 AM
I am covering the mailing.

James thanks for the change - I am not where all my info is located.

Will try to get it out today.

Would like to see a picture when it is done.
Tim you could document the building and submit to Model Railroader
but they may not be taking soldering articles any more.
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on June 12, 2020, 07:40:42 PM
James
Like the Postmaster doesn't know where the Museum mail goes.
But they have to play by the rules.

I remember when a picture of Alfred E. Neuman on the envelope would get
it to the offices of MAD Magazine.
Or when a girl at college wrote Grandpa & the ZIP code and it got to him
(Small MN town- she did have her return address tho.)

If you are wondering, I know you are, ZIP came in July/Aug 1963.

Tim: The package is in todays mail. :)
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: James Patten on June 12, 2020, 08:00:33 PM
Alna postoffice used to be pretty forgiving and drop 97 Cross mail into the PO box.  But now Alna is run by Newcastle, and things run more by the book.  They even had us put a box out front so that 97 Cross mail goes to the 97 Cross box.  We have to remember to check it occasionally.
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Graham Buxton on June 12, 2020, 08:51:51 PM
You can actually check the mailbox box for 97 Cross Road (or any other mail delivery point) by computer.  ;D

The Post Office offers, for free, Informed Delivery, which offers, on a daily basis,  a scanned image of the outside of all letter size mailpieces, and a notification of other sized pieces in that mailbox.  It works quite well for me.

See: https://informeddelivery.usps.com/box/pages/intro/start.action (https://informeddelivery.usps.com/box/pages/intro/start.action)
Title: Re: Maine 2 Foot Forney (kit)
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on June 13, 2020, 12:42:02 AM
As I said in another blog:
Mail for my neighbor across the street goes to the Central PO in Minneapolis 40 miles away
for sorting then return, so it takes days for a letter to be delivered in our small town.