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Worldwide Narrow Gauges => US Two Footers => Topic started by: Wayne Laepple on April 02, 2020, 09:16:00 PM

Title: Newest 2-foot steamer
Post by: Wayne Laepple on April 02, 2020, 09:16:00 PM
This locomotive is a mostly new replica of a World War I Davenport locomotive, used by US forces in France. The frame, drivers and cylinders are original; everything from the wheels up is new. It has air brakes, which were not used on the originals. Owned by someone in California, I understand.
Title: Re: Newest 2-foot steamer
Post by: Keith Taylor on April 03, 2020, 10:40:48 AM
Considering what they started with....they did a fantastic job!

Keith
Title: Re: Newest 2-foot steamer
Post by: John Kokas on April 03, 2020, 11:31:15 AM
Always thought that would be a keen addition to the museum as it would fit the WWI venue so nicely but I don't know if the tractive effort would be sufficient.  Did the Portland company build any of these to the USRA design?
Title: Re: Newest 2-foot steamer
Post by: John L Dobson on April 03, 2020, 11:36:43 AM
This locomotive is a mostly new replica of a World War I Davenport locomotive, used by US forces in France. The frame, drivers and cylinders are original; everything from the wheels up is new. It has air brakes, which were not used on the originals. Owned by someone in California, I understand.

This is a recreation of Davenport 2967 of 1918 which, along with sister loco 2968, was turned into a 2-6-0 tender loco by Byron Hiatt of Creston, Iowa. An interesting detail of the rebuilt loco is that it has Ffestiniog-designed 'chopper' couplings.

Addendum: Discussion of the identity of this loco on the British NG Enthusiasts site seem to indicate that it was actually US Army No 5240, Davenport works number 1695, and Byron Railroad No. 2967. US Army 5245 was Davenport's number 1700, and Byron Railroad No. 2968. The man behind the project is apparently Peter Nott, a Ffestiniog Railway supporter who has spent long periods in UK over the past few years. He passed out as a steam loco driver on the FR some years ago.
Title: Re: Newest 2-foot steamer
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on April 03, 2020, 01:30:26 PM
That is a very nice recreation/restoration.

To answer John K's question - The only US builders of the War Dept. 2-6-2Ts were Baldwin, Davenport, and Vulcan. I read somewhere that the Davenport and Vulcan models never made it across the pond. Hopefully, someone can correct me on this.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Newest 2-foot steamer
Post by: Mark Hendrickson on April 03, 2020, 02:36:03 PM
Also the last locomotive Portland built was Bridgton and Saco #5 in 1906.  It had been 12 years since they had built any locomotives those being W&Q #2 and 3 in 1894.
Title: Re: Newest 2-foot steamer
Post by: Philip Marshall on April 03, 2020, 03:40:53 PM
Alco (Cooke) was also involved in the war effort and built 100 60cm 2-6-2Ts for the British army in 1917.  This was in addition to 495 60cm 4-6-0Ts built by Baldwin for the British in 1916-1917.

The Ffestiniog's 2-6-2T 'Mountaineer' is one of these British army Alcos (C/N 57156).
Title: Re: Newest 2-foot steamer
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on April 05, 2020, 08:31:58 AM
The Festiniog Mountaineer was on the Tramway de Pithivers à Toury TPT that was closed  down in 1964 its number plate was 3-23. TPT owned  four of them and 3-22 has been in the AMTP museum for long.
Title: Re: Newest 2-foot steamer
Post by: John Kokas on April 05, 2020, 04:19:30 PM
I recall one of these 2-6-2T s for sale in (I believe) in Watertown, NY.
Title: Re: Newest 2-foot steamer
Post by: Keith Taylor on April 06, 2020, 12:23:33 PM
I recall one of these 2-6-2T s for sale in (I believe) in Watertown, NY.
The locomotive in the photos Wayne posted is the Watertown loco that was offered by Railstar.
Originally from the Byron Railroad utilizing a chassis that remained at the Davenport factor after the war department order was cancelled.
Keith
Title: Re: Newest 2-foot steamer
Post by: John Kokas on April 06, 2020, 02:01:24 PM
Thanks Keith for connecting the dots - but there was a second Byron unit that was supposedly for sale somewhere in the midwest.  I believe that it too was a Davenport.
Title: Re: Newest 2-foot steamer
Post by: Keith Taylor on April 06, 2020, 02:04:26 PM
Thanks Keith for connecting the dots - but there was a second Byron unit that was supposedly for sale somewhere in the midwest.  I believe that it too was a Davenport.
John....I may be mistaken but I believe I remember that both Hiatt locomotives were sold to the private individual in California.

Keith