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WW&F Railway Museum Discussion => Work and Events => Topic started by: Ed Lecuyer on October 26, 2019, 12:26:37 PM

Title: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 26, 2019, 12:26:37 PM
Due to overwhelming popular demand, we again will be offering advance reservations for Victorian Christmas.

Reservations will go Live on Nov. 3rd at 8:00 on our tickets page:
https://wwfrytickets.simpletix.com/ (https://wwfrytickets.simpletix.com/)

Last year, advance reservations were exhausted after 24 hours.

More details on our Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/events/2422502894535063 (https://www.facebook.com/events/2422502894535063)
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: John Kokas on October 26, 2019, 06:54:03 PM
With the additional equipment on hand, (MNG & Maine Loco),  is there any agreements to either add cars or extra trainset for this years V.C?
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 26, 2019, 07:08:13 PM
The issue with Victorian Christmas is not really train capacity...
It's the overall capacity of the event itself.

If we added more train seats, then that also means less time each child gets with Santa. It also stresses out the wagon/sleigh rides.

Not to mention parking, restrooms, etc.

One year (before we had reservations) the WW&F was completely flooded with people for Victorian Christmas. Too many visitors to handle and no amount of good cheer could make it a merry time for some (including our own volunteers.) Granted, now we have some better infrastructure in place, and more equipment, but we feel (as least as has been expressed to me) that we should try to keep the overall event as manageable as possible.

That said, I suspect that we will be using some of the equipment available through the collaboration, but mostly so we don't have to place folks in open cars as we have done in years past.
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: James Patten on October 26, 2019, 07:19:21 PM
I believe parking will always be a major capacity constraint to Victorian Christmas.  Even with the new parking lot, the lots will rapidly fill up.  That was one of the largest issues that the Town had with us.  Maybe this year we can avoid street parking.
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Bill Baskerville on October 26, 2019, 10:17:21 PM
Is it to big a staffing issue to post someone to ask some visitors (who look youngish) to drop off their family and park in the lot by 218/cross rd?
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 26, 2019, 10:26:13 PM
If a bunch of volunteers park at 218/Cross Road (as was done for the FWW) I think we can eliminate the need for on-street parking for VC.

That said, parking is only part of the capacity constraints. It's really about maintaining a level of crowds that we can handle.

During FWW, on Sunday, we had 200 passengers plus 150 volunteers - give or take some. That felt "full" but not overwhelming.

VC in 2015 we had 1550 passengers. That's insane.
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on October 26, 2019, 11:02:46 PM
As Ed says it is a capacity issue in many respects.

The on an 'average' day the railway is handling more passengers than it did in the 1920s an perhaps earlier. This is supported by conductors reports.

To that point- both Sheepscot and Alna Center were designed mainly as flagstops- never intended to be terminating locations or major destinations. To that point, Sheepscot has had its platform extended, waiting canopy added, etc. Alna Center remains largely the same design it had at the turn of the last century. They were designed to handle dozens, not hundreds of passengers and, as such, managing more can be a real challenge safety wise. 1550 was unsafe and that was the primary reason we took steps to implement a system to distribute and control when people rode the train and how many ride.
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Bill Baskerville on October 26, 2019, 11:10:29 PM
It sounds like we are in good hands with a good eye on how to run a railroad.
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 27, 2019, 11:58:15 AM
There are other things such as feeding all the volunteers, especially those who are working at AC all day.  Nancy has done a good job providing a meal but more visitors = more difficulty transporting food to AC and less time for volunteers to have lunch break. Last year we shared some lunch with Linda Verney but she didn't have much time to eat.

Another problem is that (and this has happened the last two VC events) our restrooms are not tended. The result is:

- Overflowing trash cans.
- Running out of paper products, t.p. and towels.  At the end of last years event there were no rolls left in 3 out of 4 stalls in the ladies room.
- Mud tracked into both sides of the restroom building. This is less of a problem and harder to control if the weather is bad.   
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Graham Buxton on October 27, 2019, 12:18:03 PM
One "trash" issue that I found during SWW and FWW is that the [temporary] storage location for full trash bags is in the "utility" space between the men's and women's restrooms.   During well attended events, the garbage bags literally "pile up"  :o making access to the stored supplies difficult.

For instance, at FWW, Nancy and I were checking on the  women's and men's restrooms, and found that the folding towels needed replenishing. However the case of replacement towels was stored "beyond" the mountain of garbage bags.    While I just climbed over the bags to retrieve that case of towels, getting past that garbage mountain might have dissuaded someone else.  ;)

I don't know what the best solution is, but it would be good to find a different location to store garbage until it can be hauled away permanently.   If a dumpster is not practical, perhaps a fenced/screened outdoor enclosure?
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Bill Reidy on October 27, 2019, 01:13:57 PM
I don't know what the best solution is, but it would be good to find a different location to store garbage until it can be hauled away permanently.   If a dumpster is not practical, perhaps a fenced/screened outdoor enclosure?

If it's in running order, I suggest the museum's pickup truck.  I assume all the trash is bagged.  The bags could be put into the truck bed, ready for transport whenever the dump run can be made.
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 27, 2019, 01:37:13 PM

I don't know what the best solution is, but it would be good to find a different location to store garbage until it can be hauled away permanently.   If a dumpster is not practical, perhaps a fenced/screened outdoor enclosure?
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If it's in running order, I suggest the museum's pickup truck.  I assume all the trash is bagged.  The bags could be put into the truck bed, ready for transport whenever the dump run can be made.
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The truck won't work for storage unless it's in the garage.
One morning we arrived to find trash all over one end of the parking lot from birds/critters tearing bags apart that were left outside.  Cleanup was a long messy job.
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Graham Buxton on October 27, 2019, 03:38:17 PM
At FWW, Fred told me that the Museum's truck was not in working order.   I don't recall exactly the problem, I came away with the impression that it was transmission fluid 'cooler lines' related.
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Mike Fox on October 27, 2019, 06:26:35 PM
We had discussed a dumpster at the September board meeting, and someone was supposed to check on the price. I don't care to look at a dumpster, so I would want to put it behind a tasteful board fence with a gate. This would also prevent it from becoming a local dumping ground for others trash.

As far as the truck, it is getting fixed soon. We have the funds, just not the time to get it to the garage yet.
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Bob Holmes on October 27, 2019, 07:41:02 PM
Clearly, if we want to continue to grow ridership, esp at major events, we need to develop a STANDARD restroom maintenance and trash disposal policy.  This should not be that hard to do, but it does require extra volunteers to perform these tasks beyond just Stuart and Cindy.

If we have a written protocol, it should be relatively easy to make it happen.

BTW, after having invested in a really nice bathroom facility, it's totally incumbent upon us to make sure it's always clean and inviting.

Just another challenge about getting more successful as a Museum, esp as we move into the Narrow Gauge Collection era.

Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Paul Crabb on December 11, 2019, 06:03:51 PM
From what I see as the weather forecast for Saturday, it looks like we're going to need rain suits vs snow suits ;-)
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 12, 2019, 12:31:05 PM
As an old pessimistic saying goes..."when it rains, it pours."
But youz guys, I'm sure, will "make lemonade out of lemons".

Good luck.
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 14, 2019, 07:00:26 PM
The reviews are in....

"Thank you for a great experience. We were on the 11am train volunteers were so helpful. We had a group home with a person in a wheelchair. We saw the model railway and were helped on the train. So wonderful."

"Thank you to all the volunteers who worked so hard to make this happen. Sorry about the weather mucking things up you all are so appreciated."

"What a fabulous time! The train ride and Santa were great!  Thank you to all who helped put this event on.  We will be back again."

"Thank you! We had a great time!"

"As always, you provide an amazing experience."

"We had a lovely time even w the frightful rain! Thank u so much for giving us a sweet experience! Merry Christmas!"

"Thank you for the wonderful experience. We had a great time"

"We had a great time! Thank you"

"Thank you for such a wonderful event, it was so fun for our family!"



Great job to everyone who made this year's Victorian Christmas a rousing success - despite many daunting and challenging circumstances.
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Mike Fox on December 14, 2019, 08:57:05 PM
#9 departs with it's first train as #3 waits in the yard. You can see the puddle in the foreground, that was the way it was all day. Very wet..

(https://i.postimg.cc/J0xJQnnj/1214191001b.jpg)

3 is on the move. The vapor machine..

(https://i.postimg.cc/MpT0dy1H/1214191003a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/2yrhvvzz/1214191004b.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/YSL6wMnw/1214191004c.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/QtLp8wwK/1214191004d.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0Qp7bZ1W/1214191004e.jpg)

And here #3 is departing the yard with it's first train after 9 had returned from AC.

(https://i.postimg.cc/RCLcmPRq/1214191040.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/3Jr2xgS1/1214191041a.jpg)

Kevin Madore in blue..

(https://i.postimg.cc/X72dGptb/1214191137-Burst01.jpg)

#9 returning south with one of its afternoon trips.

(https://i.postimg.cc/dVLd8JKT/1214191149.jpg)

#3 returning south with one of its afternoon trips.

(https://i.postimg.cc/pL4jC32c/1214191223a-Burst01.jpg)
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Bob Holmes on December 14, 2019, 10:10:48 PM
Nice Pix, Mike!!
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 14, 2019, 11:55:58 PM
Something tells me today's Victorian Christmas was a super hit!

Well done.  ;D
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on December 15, 2019, 07:31:27 AM
Thank you for those steamy pics Mike. BTW considering the substancial  quantity of rain  what about the Trout Brook it must be very high.
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Mike Fox on December 15, 2019, 09:27:08 AM
I never ventured to look at Trout Brook, but HWMNBM told me that Humason Brook was flowing rather well, and the work I had done in 2018 to Davis Grade was keeping the water flowing (I'm not done there yet), and all other ditches were flowing water. 

But the order of the day was the kids. I spoke with Santa before and after the event, and he was very pleased the way the day went, rain or not. He was also impressed how much of a dedicated group of volunteers we are.
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Bill Reidy on December 15, 2019, 10:20:04 AM
Humason Brook certainly looked impressive yesterday.  To think there was hardly a trickle of water there in late September.
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on December 15, 2019, 01:35:19 PM
Mike , I think Santa wont forget all the dedicated and waterproof volunteers that put together and ran his trains despite that awful downpour.
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Mike Fox on December 15, 2019, 03:49:31 PM
If anyone has pictures of Santa and the happy faces, please post them, or PM me and I'll help you post them.
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Bill Reidy on December 15, 2019, 03:56:43 PM
Looks like some of guests posted photos on our Facebook page -- https://www.facebook.com/pg/WWFRailway/posts/?ref=page_internal

Kevin Madore also took photos.  I imagine he'll have a photo album set up sometime in the next few days.

The train crews were too busy to get any photos, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 15, 2019, 11:29:40 PM
So glad your second stove is working.  Got to be more comfy working in the shop, helps paint dry faster.
I bet new ceiling wallboard  should eventually help, too.
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: James Patten on December 16, 2019, 10:59:04 AM
"ceiling wallboard" - wouldn't that be ceilingboard?  Because a ceiling is not a wall...
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 16, 2019, 04:24:25 PM
Hmmm ... the generic name for the gypsum board (one 'brand' is Sheetrock) is "drywall".  :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drywall
'Drywall' boards applied to a ceiling are still referred to as drywall, even though they aren't on a wall.  8)
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Keith Taylor on December 16, 2019, 08:23:39 PM
Obviously the answer is to use tongue and groove “fir ceiling” boards and not dry wall!
A plaster product is not a good idea when there is a possibility of a hot steam locomotive entering the building.
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 16, 2019, 10:17:45 PM
You guys might want to talk to whomever ordered the drywall waiting to be put up.
Sorry I forgot the generic name, pals.  ::)
Don't get old.
 
And AFAIK, no hot loco has EVER entered the workshop.
Title: Re: Victorian Christmas, 2019
Post by: Bill Reidy on December 16, 2019, 10:45:16 PM
Back on topic, the Wiscasset Newspaper has posted a nice article on Saturday's activities.

https://www.wiscassetnewspaper.com/article/victorian-christmas-trains-roll-despite-heavy-rains/128129