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Title: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on June 30, 2019, 05:54:06 AM
As of right now I will be at the museum for Saturday July 6th. Would love to have a tamping crew join me as soon as possible on the Mountain that day. My plan is to leave Sheepscot around 7 a.m. in my vehicle to get a good head start on it.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on July 01, 2019, 12:40:13 PM
Another bundle of ties cut today. Stewart R. gave a helping hand. 420 ties left to cut. Jason moved 5 bundles out to where they can be cut. 1 bindle a morning is my limit in this hot weather.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 01, 2019, 06:04:04 PM
As of right now I will be at the museum for Saturday July 6th. Would love to have a tamping crew join me as soon as possible on the Mountain that day. My plan is to leave Sheepscot around 7 a.m. in my vehicle to get a good head start on it.

Hi Joe,

I suggest the crew bring up more jacks from Sheepscot.  There are six on Big Joe, so we were limited to setting jacks for one to one and a half rail lengths at a time, lifting and leveling, then tamping, then stopping to set out the six jacks again, and so on.  This greatly slowed our five crew members last Saturday in the heat.

Ideally if there are enough folks, we'll have two crews -- one tamping and shoveling stone and a second setting out jacks, so the tamping crew doesn't have to stop.  Don't forget to bring the track level -- we did in the morning. (I blamed He Who Likes To Volunteer Me, and he blamed me -- though I will say he tamped away Saturday afternoon without benefit of a parasol Saturday.)

Thanks Joe.  Looking forward to seeing you Saturday.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on July 01, 2019, 06:30:10 PM
Interesting. I may have to locate the rest of them. If I recall correctly the tall jacks are in the caboose at EOT.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Kevin Kierstead on July 01, 2019, 09:00:05 PM
End of Sun., SWW, Dana asked myself and a helper, whose name I've forgotten, to put all the jacks and lining bars that had been set and removed following the tamper breakdown, in the caboose.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: John Kokas on July 01, 2019, 09:19:05 PM
Yep, I remember seeing them on Monday in the caboose.  Probably still there.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Dwight Winkley on July 01, 2019, 11:03:07 PM
Kevin K. Please email me. thanks dwight
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on July 02, 2019, 06:28:54 AM
They were all in there, however we have used the tall jacks since then. So I hope I put them back in the caboose, if not they are likely at Sheepscot.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on July 02, 2019, 12:59:23 PM
Another bundle of ties were cut today, thanks for the help Steve and Mark, 9 bundles left however, 1 will not be cut. Keeping them for the switch beyond the bridge.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Stephen Lennox on July 02, 2019, 04:28:38 PM
On June 13th give or take a day. I went to the caboose and retrieved all of the lining bars and brought them back to Sheepscot, they were needed for doing the ramp track. Upon completion of the track, the lining bars were returned to the track section house. The caboose had 5 jacks in it at that time. I expect they are still there unless the tamping crew picked them up Saturday.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on July 03, 2019, 06:49:36 AM
Anticipated work for weekend of July 6:

* Saturday is Ice Cream Social. 
* Saturday is also a board meeting at 4

While with the ICS it's unlikely other work will get done, we have the following list to choose from:
* Car barn extension
* ROW weed/sapling clearing
* Mountain Extension tamping
* Boxcar 67
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on July 03, 2019, 07:49:04 AM
I will be working the TOM area Friday and Saturday with the dozer and Kubota. The Kubota will return to Sheepscot at the end of day Saturday, with the dozer staying at the end of track hopefully.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on July 03, 2019, 12:52:31 PM
Another bundle of ties cut to length today with Brendan's help. Hope to do One Friday if not to hot. we've decided to keep Two bundles full length until FWW. We don't want to get any more ties until after that weekend. After their all cut we will count them.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 03, 2019, 03:42:11 PM
* The alarm company technician came to Sheepscot this morning and wired the alarm system over to the cable that runs through the new underground conduit.

* Flag brackets were installed on F&M coach 2 so rear markers can be displayed if the car is the last in the consist.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 03, 2019, 05:38:17 PM
TOM crossover switch was raised, leveled and tamped. Switch now throws freely. (And the train crews rejoiced.)

We also welcomed a new volunteer, Larry, a retired physician who visited us for the first time on Saturday. He was greatly impressed, eager to learn, and will be back. He is summering in the Boothbay area.

No cutting was done today.

Tomorrow, July 4th, I will be hanging out at Sheepscot if anyone wants to swing by and do some cutting.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 03, 2019, 07:02:31 PM
TOM crossover switch was raised, leveled and tamped. Switch now throws freely. (And the train crews rejoiced.)
Hooray and rejoicing for Ed and gang who finally fixed the cross over switch. 

I am guessing this was this the north mainline switch and not the wishbone powered switch on the stub track.

If so, perhaps we can now find a solution to keep the rails from creeping down the stub end with the heating and cooling to make the wishbone switch easier in the summer heat. 

Perhaps hook the two rails to a sturdy tree to the north of the stub?  I know, a TOM water tank with a slow leak that is positioned to drip on the rails and keep them cool?
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 04, 2019, 11:32:54 AM
In the always-immortal, ranting words of SNL's late Gilda Radner..."If it aint one thing, it's another!"  ;D  ;D
She was hysterical!
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Graham Buxton on July 04, 2019, 11:46:28 AM
If so, perhaps we can now find a solution to keep the rails from creeping down the stub end with the heating and cooling to make the wishbone switch easier in the summer heat.
Here is one way that larger railroads might handle a situation where the rails are known to expand and cause a problem ...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Expansion_joint%2C_Hayle.jpg/1280px-Expansion_joint%2C_Hayle.jpg)
(photo credit to this Wikipedia page:) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_(rail_transport)
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: John Kokas on July 04, 2019, 01:14:31 PM
Do we need creeper clips?  The question will be, does someone make one to fit a 60 lb rail base.....?
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on July 04, 2019, 01:18:45 PM
We are proceeding on a lead to obtain rail anchors for our rail.  The main concern is the mountain, however other areas will benefit.

Thanks,
Jason
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Crabb on July 04, 2019, 05:54:14 PM
I hope it was the stub switch on the crossover not the mainline switch that was fixed. It took two train crew personnel to throw the crossover switch and it flexed badly when the locomotive crossed it.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 04, 2019, 06:32:22 PM
Loosen the joint bar bolts on the rails on either side the stub a little so the rails can run a bit. In some places, track crews actually grease the web of the rails at joints so they can move with expansion and contraction. Driving the spikes down tight to the rail base can also impede expansion and contraction, which is why it's acceptable to leave them an eighth of an inch above contact with the rail rather than down tight.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on July 05, 2019, 05:27:58 PM
Another bundle of ties were cut early this morning. We're chipping away at them, will soon be done.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on July 05, 2019, 07:54:33 PM
Headed down the Mountain to touch up a few spots today, and be clear for anticipated tamping tomorrow. Luckily, I brought a saw..

(https://i.postimg.cc/SNF4WVXR/0705190902.jpg)

Ditched the east side on the south side of location 3. Realaignment of the track to give spirals to the curve has pushed the track slightly off center, and I was concerned with the ditch plugging up. We are installing wrapped perforated pipe, then it will be covered in stone. Like a french drain.

(https://i.postimg.cc/9QcjkMYj/0705190953.jpg)

Location 5, on the north east side, needed improving. I added some depth to try and catch more surface water, before it gets to the wall.

(https://i.postimg.cc/s2Nd1JdV/0705191206.jpg)

And location 7 had slumped, so I enlarged it.

(https://i.postimg.cc/YS9BpsPn/0705191206a.jpg)

Then I finally finished the drain from the wall. I extended it to get it away from the grade. There was some nice cool air coming out of the end of the pipe. I then covered the pipe with the dead wood to camouflage it.

(https://i.postimg.cc/sXGFWZs5/0705191146a.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/52pMWVsQ/0705191146b.jpg)


Some staining of the blocks, starting to make them look like they have been there a while.

(https://i.postimg.cc/zXCrpWWj/0705191146c.jpg)

And I found two of these teenie ticks. They are the bad ones. The two I found won't be biting anyone.

(https://i.postimg.cc/h47gzNtN/0705191202a.jpg)
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 05, 2019, 11:48:34 PM
Mike...how often you figure you'll have to clear the ditches, a never-ending task.
Would lining them with ballast help?
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 06, 2019, 08:44:11 AM
Another bundle of ties were cut early this morning. We're chipping away at them, will soon be done.

What will you do when you've cut all the ties, aside from sharpening the chainsaws? ::)

Jeff S.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on July 06, 2019, 03:30:17 PM
Got to paint the cut ends with copper "green liquid stuff", count them an they have to be put into stacks of Fourteen so they can be stacked on the car next to the rail when the time comes. I hope we'll be building the addition to the car barn soon or starting work on the bridge before the ticks carry it away.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 06, 2019, 05:01:08 PM
What still needs to be done on the bridge?  Perhaps a refresher course on final bridge construction?  I think three was talk of a few more ice dam posts and some more rip rap.  Did I miss anything?
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 06, 2019, 05:32:41 PM
Once the rail has been laid across the span, the rest of the decking will be installed.  After that, the interior sheathing will be painted with a second coat. (The outside sheathing already has two coats). 
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Kevin Kierstead on July 06, 2019, 07:18:31 PM
Any more thought or action on bundle strapping for the tie stacks?
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on July 06, 2019, 07:25:15 PM
We made a valid attempt at many things today. In short it was too hot to do much of anything today. I will be at the museum again this coming Saturday and would like to attempt another tamping day on 7/13. Ideally this could be a crew size of 2-4 to tamp the middles and raise one low spot at the moment.

Due to my work schedule I am unsure of my availability on the Stone the Mountain weekend but will have specific instructions in the event of my absence.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on July 06, 2019, 08:14:18 PM
It was too hot to do much of anything except run trains.  Steam trains.  In the heat and humidity.  For ice cream.  It seemed to work - we had over 100 ticket buyers today, good gift shop intake.

We also had a board meeting.

Joe and crew attempted tamping but the hydraulic motor gave out.

Mike did some grading at ToM for a road from the Lyon's farm, next door to our property.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on July 06, 2019, 09:53:11 PM
I did some grading also at Sutters forst thing this morning. Contractors for the power company replaced some poles late last fall, and left a trench that filled with water, causing some of that water to create a frost heave. Hoping this helps it.

So then to Top of the Mountain. Last weekend I ditched along the main and piled the ditchings up. I leveled them with the dozer today, filling in a low spot in the field.

(https://i.postimg.cc/5tzCC0HD/0706191433.jpg)

Then, to cross the tracks took some effort...

(https://i.postimg.cc/TYHLNmgZ/0706190924.jpg)

Joe and Bill attempted to weed whack after lunch, but the heat was just too much. This photo does not show all they did.

(https://i.postimg.cc/FH7chGhr/0706191433a.jpg)

And as James mentioned, I spent some time creating a road the last few days. It will be for the Lyons to transport patrons to and from the railroad to their farm. Nothing ventured, nothing gained they say. So all we have in this now is my investment of time, and a little fuel. I did it quick and dirty, so there is brush and stump piles in the woods, mostly out of sight of the trains.

Looking North. I moved some of the material that I had placed there when we fixed the grade through here, to a low spot to level off the road.

(https://i.postimg.cc/2jGBvg6j/0706191431b.jpg)

Looking from the tracks

(https://i.postimg.cc/pLh9wTBy/0706191431.jpg)

I stepped into the woods, looking back at the train. Trees were here yesterday. They are now behind me..

(https://i.postimg.cc/NM72dzk4/0706191431d.jpg)

Turned to look north, towards the original woods/camp road.

(https://i.postimg.cc/bNvSRLDx/0706191431c.jpg)

Standing on the Woods/Camp road, the previous photo was taken from the other end of the road on the left.

(https://i.postimg.cc/1tZNcQwX/0706191432.jpg)

Looking a little right toward the tracks..

(https://i.postimg.cc/Sx39R8KW/0706191432a.jpg)

I also touched up the woods/camp road.. Hopefully it dries out.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Fzrd8VPQ/0706191432b.jpg)
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 07, 2019, 10:01:58 AM
Looks like you accomplished quite a bit, Mike.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on July 07, 2019, 11:48:17 AM
Stocking the shelves today at ROWMOW Mfg..

(https://i.postimg.cc/Vs4zyftj/0707191104.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/HnSmbzmS/0707191104a.jpg)
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on July 07, 2019, 12:28:37 PM
Nice cool Sunday morning, cut another stack of ties, had Three helpers. only 4 stacks left to do.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 07, 2019, 12:48:48 PM
Stocking the shelves today at ROWMOW Mfg..
  MIke, do I see a high-rail kit?  So are you going to put them on the back hoe?  Or perhaps Casey?  Or, use the parts to make the next piece of MOW rolling stock?
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: John Kokas on July 07, 2019, 01:20:16 PM
Do we need to worry?  Is Mike going "Broad-Gauge" on us?  Yikes !!!
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on July 07, 2019, 01:36:39 PM
A bargain is a bargain.. The guy wasn't sure how much he wanted, I wasn't sure how much to pay so I offered just over my estimated scrap value. He was hoping for more, and we decided a price before I left my house. To be fair, looking things over, I got one heck of a deal. These were also included..

(https://i.postimg.cc/PJtCySwY/0707191312.jpg)

My initial thought was hi-railing the Kubota. This may prove a challenge, but I like challenges. I tried ditching from the unnamed equipment car ("Rider" the Ramp Car? Or "Elsie" the Equipment Car?) and felt that I could be jarring things more than I care for, plus visibility close to the car is not good.
But, I have them. Now I can look things over, plan things out, and make something..eventually.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 07, 2019, 05:55:53 PM
... My initial thought was hi-railing the Kubota. ...
Hi-railing the Kubota makes the most sense it would seem.  You are always using it along the track for ditching.  And let's not forget that we have that giant articulated underwater weed eater that could be attached to the end of the bucket arm.  That would solve a lot of sapling and grass cutting issues. 

Of course we would then have to throw out red meat to keep the ticks fed since our grounds troopers wouldn't be going out regularly to feed them.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: John Kokas on July 07, 2019, 06:47:03 PM
Agree that hi-railing the Kubota makes sense.  My only concern is stability issues both travelling and working.  One can add hydraulic stabilizer arms similar to a backhoe, but I don't know how you would handle that in a travel mode.  I will assume that el presidente of ROWMOW probably has already figured that out.   :D
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 07, 2019, 11:28:03 PM
There're four rail wheels, framing parts?, hydraulic stuff...hmmmm.
Can't wait for ROWMOW's next blockbuster, labor-saving invention.
Adding retractable stability arms and direct rail mobility to the Kubota, along with use of the tie puller, should make drudge-work ROW maintenance a lot more tolerable.

Also, is there a way to make Big Joe more reliable, as it is key to keeping tracks safe?

Hope Fred doesn't run out of work.  ;D
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on July 08, 2019, 11:05:11 AM
Stability is always on my mind. The APU for the cutter head, if mounted on the back of the machine, will help to counter balance the weight of the cutter head. The beauty of hydraulic cylinders would be if stability is an issue, you could always raise the rail wheels and lower the machine down so if it started to tip the wheels would touch the ties or something. Little improvements..
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on July 08, 2019, 11:19:52 AM
Another bundle of ties cut today. 3 left!
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 08, 2019, 03:56:35 PM
At this rate, Fred, you should be done by Wednesday.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 08, 2019, 09:00:20 PM
Per TOM switch stiffness...the BNSF would paint some sort of thick goop, probably with graphite in it, under sliding switch point rails  in Abq's old Sawmill District around the 2926 restoration spur. That could make  things easier also.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: John Kokas on July 08, 2019, 09:21:41 PM
Heavy duty lithium grease mixed with a heavy dose of graphite always worked for me but it needed to be renewed every 90-120 days depending on use.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on July 08, 2019, 09:30:40 PM
Oh, Bill R and I countef ties at ToM. There are currently 540+ give or take rejects.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 08, 2019, 09:44:24 PM
No kind of lubricant is going to help when the rails expand and run up tight against each other. The graphite/grease stuff is pretty good on slide plates and on the tips of the switch points, though. One product is called Glidex.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Dag Bonnedal on July 09, 2019, 06:08:39 AM
For a digger on 2 ft gauge we envy this contraption:
https://www.facebook.com/Mladejov/photos/a.422519084569859/1097366430418451/?type=3&theater

A wonderful preserved industrial line in Czechoslovakia
With a most interesting variant of "Forney"-like locomotives (Engerth/Stütztender), the tenderlike coalbox is articulated to the loco and supported by only one axle.
https://www.mladejov.cz

Dag B
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on July 09, 2019, 12:17:30 PM
That is a nice small set up.  The Tie inserter would work well like that.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on July 09, 2019, 12:32:15 PM
One bundle of ties cut today, only 2 bundles to do.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: John Kokas on July 09, 2019, 12:47:37 PM
Dag,  another great picture for future projects.  A mini-excavator would be so much easier to hi-rail and with attachments could ditch, dig, insert and remove ties, and be a tie handler all in one.  Rail might be pushing it......

As one who advocated for the tie extractor, I'm now looking at that arrangement on the excavator and going "why didn't I think of that"!  Thanks Dag for another thought provoking post!
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on July 09, 2019, 03:32:32 PM
After the ties are cut to length all the leftover Two Ft. ends have to be stacked and shorter pieces carted to then transfer station as well as rotten and broken pieces. There are still junk ties scattered here or there that have go also. Always plenty of work.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 09, 2019, 04:39:13 PM
The tie handler shown in Dag's photos looks quite similar to units commercially available in the USA. There are also tamping units. In fact, I saw one working a few weeks ago at the Strasburg Rail Road. The folks at the Lynton & Barnstaple Ry in England also use their mini-excavator  for brush-cutting and mowing with a flail-type mower. The L&B's unit doesn't have hy-rail gear. Instead, it is transported on a depressed-center flatcar. But I gotta say I like our ramp car better.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on July 10, 2019, 07:04:25 AM
Anticipated work for weekend of July 13:

* Mountain Extension: tamping? Mike may also be moving dirt.
* Boxcar 67
* Car barn extension
* This weekend is Stuff a Boxcar.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Roger Cole on July 10, 2019, 01:01:43 PM
A question regarding tie cutting.  I assume (you know what can happen when one does that) that you cut off the end of the post that had been in the ground.  Is that correct?
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 10, 2019, 01:10:56 PM
Generally, yes, we cut off the end that was in the ground. We also inspect the tie for damage, etc., and those deemed unsuitable are set aside.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on July 10, 2019, 01:37:22 PM
One bundle of ties cut today and only One left. Will do that tomorrow. Men are making rails up today to put in the concrete floor.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 10, 2019, 08:21:40 PM
My NM 'kingdom' for car barn expansion pics!  ;)
BTW, the existing barn tracks will remain down while you put crushed flooring around them?
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Crabb on July 10, 2019, 08:39:41 PM
Yes Please start a car barn extension thread!
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on July 11, 2019, 07:15:05 AM
I am thinking of taking the Kubota to end of track and get started there. Depending on the tamping crew if I can get the dozer up there as well
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 11, 2019, 11:51:29 AM
Mike...are you 'officially' starting track subgrade/ditching work from EOT to Trout Bridge?
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on July 11, 2019, 12:27:01 PM
Last ties cut this morning. Brendan cut the last Two when I wasn't looking! Now to start cleaning up.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on July 11, 2019, 03:15:40 PM
Guess with all the ties cut up, that means I should really start sorting rail? I hope to make it a day or two next week to begin getting the 180 rails needed. We actually only need 160, but might as well set out some extras. And depending on whats left,, we may sort through the remaining pile.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 11, 2019, 03:20:35 PM
With regard to the rails of lower quality, what is the criteria for rejection? Will they still be suitable for use on sidings?
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Dwight Winkley on July 11, 2019, 04:35:06 PM
Hi Paul, Last Saturday while moving the tamper down the grade headed north, There was many spots were Mike has been ditching the track that was layed last fall.
With only a two man crew we started at the north end and tamped the gauge side of the track.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: John Kokas on July 11, 2019, 04:38:53 PM
Does the 160 include the passing siding at EOT (Rt. 218)?
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on July 11, 2019, 06:42:35 PM
Nope. The 160 is only main line rail. I estimate we will need a few more lengths on the main, and a decent amount for the siding. However those lengths are to be determined still. The siding length is set, however may vary slightly.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on July 12, 2019, 12:11:51 AM
Unfortunately I wont be able to make it this Saturday. If a crew is able to tamp I would be very appreciative.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on July 12, 2019, 11:41:53 AM
Anyone available for the tamping crew, I plan on heading north about 8am to TOM with 52.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Dana Deering on July 12, 2019, 06:05:43 PM
I plan on being up there in the morning so if there is a tamping crew I'll join you.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 12, 2019, 06:26:54 PM
Sorry -- I'm working tomorrow, though I'd much rather be tamping.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on July 13, 2019, 05:37:45 PM
Light crew day today.  Mike was about the only one doing anything not related to passenger operations.  He took the Kubota to the end of track and is leaving it there for grading purposes.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on July 13, 2019, 09:33:50 PM
I even loaded some wood up for Fred. I have some Hemlock logs I'd like to bring back for him too. Maybe I'll put them on the equipment car and ship them south when I fetch the dozer.. Equipment car is stationed at EOT until the next time we need it. Out of the way up there..

Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on July 15, 2019, 04:49:21 PM
Got most of the tie ends removed from near the rail pile. Now Joe will have a clear shot at the rail pile. Have about 500 2 Ft. ends pile up for our use or to sell.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on July 17, 2019, 06:58:27 AM
Anticipated work for weekend of July 20:

* "Rock the Mountain" - work trains this weekend (both days) to further ballast the Mountain, and jacking and tamping (if the tamper's working). Rock the Mountain cancelled due to excessive heat.
* Boxcar 67
* Car barn extension

Everyone please work safe on Saturday - it's going be very hot and humid.  Sunday less hot but still humid.  Stay hydrated!
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 18, 2019, 01:28:48 PM
Looks like a dandy chance to get the car barn extension off to a roaring start; paint new house stairways and railings; clean up the campus; straighten up Mtn Ext rails and ties; maybe trackwork.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on July 20, 2019, 07:13:03 PM
Saturday July 20: it was hot and humid - 90 deg. or so middle of the day.  Nobody had much energy for much work.

* Boxcar 67 got more ice & water shield rolled on it.
* Fred was puttering around doing something on the tractor.
* We ran all 4 steam trips.  Much thanks are due to Bill P, Dan, Bill R, and Dwight for heat relief!
* Eric was measuring the newly arrived cars for coupler heights and other critical statistics.

A group from England were visiting today, they have made a holiday of visiting all of the Maine two footer railroads.  They are also involved in a narrow gauge preservation railroad (2-foot).
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Dwight Winkley on July 20, 2019, 10:07:08 PM
This morning before the heat arrived, Fred put wood preserver on the 5 foot ties with the cut ends.

Box Car 67 has to be turned before the second half of roof gets the ice and water shield installed.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on July 22, 2019, 01:26:52 PM
The end of the old ramp track was lowed this morning and the wood was cleaned up around it.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 22, 2019, 01:38:43 PM
The end of the old ramp track was lowed this morning and the wood was cleaned up around it.

Good Job Fred.  That was one of the things I was going to look around to see if I could do when I arrive next week.

Bill
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 22, 2019, 03:39:34 PM
Go Fred! A one-man work gang.
Sure could use some pics of all the current  action for us away folks.  ;)
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Bob Holmes on July 22, 2019, 07:20:10 PM
What are plans for weekday crew tomorrow (Tues) and Wednesday?

Thanks.

Bob
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Dwight Winkley on July 22, 2019, 09:43:39 PM
Move equipment from MNG
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on July 23, 2019, 06:24:24 AM
Sorry- just saw this.

Today is the last double move from Portland; some help would be great but it’s also appropriate to have some crew in Alna for other tasks (hopefully rail sorting).  Tomorrow is a single move from Gray- shouldn’t be any help need for that.

Thanks,
Jason
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on July 24, 2019, 06:45:00 AM
Anticipated work for weekend of July 27:

* Mountain Extension grading/ditching.  Perhaps some rail sorting, or tie work.
* Car barn extension
* Boxcar 67

Saturday evening is another concert.  Plenty of room for more attendees!
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 24, 2019, 09:59:43 AM
We also need brakemen to help run trains on Saturday, Saturday Eve, and Sunday. Those qualified would be most welcome to help out. If you are not qualified, and would like to be, please see Bob Longo.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on July 24, 2019, 10:01:55 PM
I will be digging in the curve again, gathering material for location 10. If there is help available for a little bit, I would like to run some offsets for the center line stakes I have not done yet. The way I have been doing it is simple, and the stakes are out of my way. So one person helping me, or a couple people and I can send them off on their own and I can dig. These will be for my reference only, as Rick will have to recheck centers before the track gets laid.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on July 27, 2019, 05:47:15 PM
Work done on Saturday July 27:

* MX: Mike had help with offseting stakes.  He was also loading logs on the equipment car.
* Car barn extension: Brendan was compacting material, and getting rails at the right height. 
* Section house area cleanup: Dean brought his new mini excavator, and he used to clean up rotten timbers and ties around the section house, also used to deal with vegetation.
* Archives: The Archives Department got a new computer a month ago, and today I was finally able to sit down and get everything set up correct for Linda.
* Rangeley: Wes from MNG came to start cleaning the car in order to allow visitors inside.  He hadn't gotten very far when I left (was getting brakeman training).
* Concert tonight.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 27, 2019, 07:04:42 PM
In getting prepped for next weeks trip north to Maine I made 30 new trigs.  Seems like we are getting short of those things and always looking around for one that isn't chewed up.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: John McNamara on July 27, 2019, 10:07:02 PM
One of them looks like mahogany. Getting a bit fancy are we?
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 27, 2019, 10:49:32 PM
One of them looks like mahogany. Getting a bit fancy are we?
  John, it is just sun exposed clear pine.  I was going to make them out of some white oak that I had around but Jason guided me to the pine so it would crush if they weren't properly removed.  The oak is 5/4" by 4" (not 3/4" x 3 1/2") so I am bringing it with me to donate to the wood shop for their car repairs.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 28, 2019, 11:00:08 AM
What are "trigs", are used for ??
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 28, 2019, 11:11:29 AM
What are "trigs", are used for ??
Good question.  They are the 1x4's that we put diagonally between a set of wheels on a work car axle or one on both sides of a full size car truck when they have no brakes to keep them from rolling when unattended.  That is unless a car is parked on a grade when it has to be skated, even if it has brakes.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 28, 2019, 08:33:33 PM
Be careful. I almost got some finger tips smushed chunking an old reefer once. Wheel got the tips of my glove. I was young, and green.
 
Railcars are silent rolling, unforgiving and unbelievably HEAVY.  :-\
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on July 28, 2019, 09:43:00 PM
We have a set of rules to follow. Never leave a car unsecure (without brakes or trigged). The trigs are long enough that your hands are clear of any danger.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 28, 2019, 09:49:24 PM
Mike is correct.  One of those rules is that we never uncouple a car unless the brakes have been applied or it has been trigged if it has no brakes.   On any grade we also put the car, or string of cars on a skate in addition to brakes to prevent an accidental runaway. 
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: John McNamara on July 28, 2019, 11:40:32 PM
Also, as Mike points out the trigs are fairly long, about four feet. Thus, they can be placed with one's hands well out of the way.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 29, 2019, 07:36:01 AM
Per Jason's recommendation, the new ones, like the old ones, are exactly 4 feet long.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 29, 2019, 05:04:42 PM
As expected, you guys are WAY on top of things.  ;)
A pic would help.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 29, 2019, 07:07:25 PM
The new trigs are already loaded in the car for the trip north.  If one hasn't shown up by the time I get there I will take a couple to post.  There are two ways to use them, (on level grades) one across the rails at an angle under one axle of a small work car so it cannot roll either direction, and for the full size cars, one on each end of a truck so the car won't go in either direction.  Pictures to follow soon.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Steve Smith on July 29, 2019, 09:43:22 PM
Gotta tell a cautionary tale giving a good reason NOT to use a 2 x 4 as a trig in lieu of one-inch stock. This happened on a Saturday morning a dozen or more years ago. At the time, trigs were in short supply. Suitable ones, that is. For some reason I’ve forgotten, time was short for making up the first passenger train of the day.

Diesel 52 backed up pushing caboose 320, for coupling to Coach 3 waiting in the shop. In the rush, nobody noticed that somebody had laid a 2 x 4 in front of the rear wheel set of what would be Coach 3’s front truck in the move to be made. My recall may be incorrect after so many years, but I think the 2 x 4 was only 3 feet long or so. I do remember that it didn’t project out to the sides enough to be seen easily.

After the coupling was made, 52 moved quickly forward with the two cars, and for a while, the second wheelset just pushed the 2 x 4 along on the tops of the rails. But then, somehow the 2 x 4 got hung up at a switch—I think the stub switch. The wheelset ran up and over the 2 x 4 and BAM!!! Down it came onto the rail. Sounded to me like a bomb had gone off.

I remember that Jason came a running to check things out. Near as anyone could tell no damage was done, But no crew should press its luck using improper stock for a trig.

Four cheers to you, Bill, for making that nice batch of trigs from the right material!

 

 
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on July 30, 2019, 08:23:04 PM
Today we got a total of 38 usable rails for the Fall work Weekend, and almost as many skip rails or "scrap" rail. Special thank you to Fred, Jay, and new volunteer Larry for their hard efforts in the extreme heat today. We had wanted to do more, but the heat proved to be too much. Hope to make another good rail sorting day very soon.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on July 31, 2019, 08:35:19 AM
It feels really great getting things ready for the Fall work weekend. We're doing a lot of cleaning up around the place of old wood and ties. The dozer is full of fuel, and when firewood is brought back, I'll cut it to length and get it out of the way to be split later.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Dana Deering on July 31, 2019, 08:40:27 AM
Great work Joe, Fred, Jay, and Larry!  Thank you all.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on July 31, 2019, 11:06:17 PM
Now up to a total of 60 rails ready for FWW.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Bob Holmes on August 01, 2019, 08:50:13 AM
How many total are needed?
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Harold Downey on August 01, 2019, 09:27:05 AM
About 140??
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on August 01, 2019, 09:49:32 AM
Joe said he wanted 160 ready, to have extra in case they miss a defect during the sorting.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on August 01, 2019, 09:52:06 AM
Do we still have that many rails? I never knew how many we received from Wisconsin.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on August 01, 2019, 12:17:19 PM
About 300 rails.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on August 01, 2019, 02:02:07 PM
We have a lot of rail we can crop and redrill, or straighten out to be used as well. There are currently 3 stacks of rails left. Each stack holding around 80 or so sticks.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on August 02, 2019, 07:19:39 PM
I'm sure the following thought has already been considered, but just in case it hasn't. Now that we have a third and fourth flatcar available, perhaps it would make sense to load a second car with rail in anticipation of the work weekend. If it was spotted ahead of time on the mill siding at Top of the Mountain, the load would be available for use as soon as it was needed. The empty car could then be sent back to Sheepscot on the regular train for loading a second time.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on August 02, 2019, 08:09:15 PM
... Now that we have a third and fourth flatcar available, perhaps it would make sense to load a second car with rail in anticipation of the work weekend. If it was spotted ahead of time on the mill siding at Top of the Mountain, the load would be available for use as soon as it was needed. The empty car could then be sent back to Sheepscot on the regular train for loading a second time.
Seems like a great idea Wayne. The extra flat would also have to have stacks of ties also. It would have to be loaded differently so the tie stacks weren’t on top of the rails. Total weight might be a problem. Perhaps having the fourth flat also pre-loaded and staged would help speed things up.
Title: Re: July 2019 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on August 02, 2019, 08:16:18 PM
The idea has already been discussed well over a month ago. Along with a way to stage the second car, the rail laying train will be reloaded at Top of the Mountain each day at lunch which will hopefully give everyone an actual lunch break.