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WW&F Railway Museum Discussion => Work and Events => Topic started by: Brendan Barry on June 13, 2019, 04:57:21 PM

Title: New ramp track
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 13, 2019, 04:57:21 PM
The railway is building a new ramp track next to the garage to replace the ramp at the end of the Woods track. The new ramp track is being built with 33 lb rail versus the 25 lb that was used on the Woods track. The heavier rail and better roadbed will make bringing in heavier equipment safer. The Woods track will be lowered back down to parking lot level and become a team track.

Work started with replacing the existing culvert under the woods track with a longer culvert to accommodate the switch. The culvert diameter was also increased and the culvert lowered to accomodate the new drainage in the parking lot and the bigger ditch next to the carbarn.

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Start of the ditching next to the carbarn and building up the roadbed for the siding.

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The new parking lot catch basin in the foreground and the trench for the pipe leading out  to the ditch next to carbarn.

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The pipe and catch basin in. The orange cone with the grade stake is the center line of the new siding.

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Working on the siding roadbed.

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The new stub switch for the ramp track being cut into the Woods track.

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Looking from the corner of the garage down to the switch.

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The bulkhead for the end of the track in the parking lot. The wall is parallel with the front of the bathroom.

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We started laying stone down  on the roadbed today until the rain started.

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Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Steve Smith on June 13, 2019, 10:21:35 PM
Thank you Brendan for this excellent photo-and-caption explanation of the project.

I'm just curious about the Hitachi backhoe. Is it a rental?
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Dana Deering on June 14, 2019, 05:34:02 AM
Is the ramp track getting put down on Saturday or not?  I had been planning to come up to help.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on June 14, 2019, 08:12:00 AM
Thanks for the photos, Brendan.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Mike Fox on June 14, 2019, 01:45:25 PM
The Hitachi was loaned to us for the car barn extension by Chesterfield Associates. It has since been returned.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Wayne Laepple on June 14, 2019, 01:49:35 PM
Will the Woods Track still curve out into the parking lot, or will it be a straight run up along the tree line?
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on June 14, 2019, 02:22:01 PM
Hi Dana,

I sent you an email.  We’re very short on crew this weekend but we may be able to salvage some work on the new ramp track.

Thanks,
Jason
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on June 14, 2019, 05:16:25 PM
Thank you Brendan to keep us posting through those pictures and captions. Clay soil is by no means easy to work .
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 18, 2019, 05:27:53 PM
The switch was finished this morning and rail started going down. Dana is going to lead a spiking crew Saturday on the new track.

Loading rail from the stockpile between the main and north yard lead.

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The switch all done. The switch had to be ballasted using the tip car before the rail train could cross over the switch.

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Setting ties out on the grade.

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The view from behind the garage.

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Setting out rail.

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The woods track is in the foreground and the rail crane is on the new ramp track.

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The end of the day. The rest of the rail should go down tomorrow.

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Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: John Kokas on June 18, 2019, 05:45:08 PM
Are we using the old #60 rail or the left over #33?
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: John McNamara on June 18, 2019, 06:34:49 PM
Gee! It only takes five guys to place the rails! :D
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Bill Reidy on June 18, 2019, 06:45:31 PM
Thanks for the photos, Brendan.  A great job by all involved.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 18, 2019, 11:51:22 PM
That there new-fangled 'chinery does a real good job, saves back pain, I bet.   ;D
Great coverage, always appreciated.
Thanks.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Steve Smith on June 19, 2019, 12:13:26 AM
Elmer Gantry sure is proving to be a great addition to the museum's equipment.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on June 19, 2019, 02:58:28 AM
Thanks for the pictures and captions. That very seviceable track will be soon completed and I'm sure the carbarn extension will be over by October.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 19, 2019, 04:10:44 PM
Elmer is the star of the transfer track gig, along with Ichabod. No more 15 guys moosing rail!
Love it!
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 19, 2019, 07:24:31 PM
The rest of the rail was put down before lunch time today. The rail still needs to be spiked, lined, and ballasted.

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Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on June 20, 2019, 08:46:19 AM
Great photos, Brendan.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Tom Casper on June 20, 2019, 10:03:07 AM
Thanks for the pictures.  I know the AWAY crowd will luv them like I do.

Tom C.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 20, 2019, 04:29:37 PM
Fred loaded up two cars of ballast for the siding this morning.

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Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Bob Holmes on June 20, 2019, 10:51:01 PM
Really missed being there to help you guys this week.  Fantastic progress.

On the other hand, I just spent the day on the White Pass & Yukon.  Fair tradeoff, I guess

Bob
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 21, 2019, 12:13:46 AM
Nice work.
But is there a reason not to cut the rail ends  even with the last tie to match the rails on an arriving trailer?
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Joe Fox on June 21, 2019, 08:54:15 AM
The rails were left long to allow for some variation after lining it. Once the track is lined the rails will be cut to their final length.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: John Kokas on June 21, 2019, 09:15:24 AM
Did we use the leftover 33lb/yd rail or is that all gone now?
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on June 21, 2019, 09:49:54 AM
I'm glad to see that Fred is back from his vacation.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Joe Fox on June 21, 2019, 01:08:05 PM
I wont say the size as it would be wrong, however this is the rail that was used for part of the north yard project, and appears to be the same size as the rail in our lower yard.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 21, 2019, 05:33:06 PM
Joe...youze guys think of everything, must've done this before   ;D
Congrats on more super rail work!
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Jay Barta on June 21, 2019, 05:52:54 PM
Bob,

I took the train from Carcross back down to Skagway last weekend.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on June 21, 2019, 06:53:48 PM
33# rail.  It’s great stuff- little wear, still very ductile.  I’m going to be sad when it’s gone.  All of our home made switch frogs and points are made with it.  We’ll retain some for replacement before it’s totally gone.  There’s some left in the pile at the top of Davis Grade.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: John Kokas on June 21, 2019, 07:02:54 PM
Jason,  you can count on someone finding more somewhere.  It's just going to take more time and money.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 22, 2019, 12:37:27 AM
Alna wx shows mild and dry for a few days.
Tomorrow (22) should be tops for ramp track spiking, tamping.  ;)
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Roger Cole on June 22, 2019, 11:21:18 AM
33# rail sounds like something that might be used for a mining operation.  There are a lot of mines down here in WV that have shut down.  You might be able to snag some from a closed mine.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 22, 2019, 09:19:25 PM
Saturday's progress.

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Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Bill Baskerville on June 22, 2019, 10:37:06 PM
It's amazing what our volunteers can accomplish.  It seems that there are always folks who show up when things need to be accomplished.  Then, before we know it, another task has been moved along toward completion.

My hat is off to all who worked to make the ramp track a reality.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 23, 2019, 04:01:45 PM
Outstanding, again!
Shots 11 and 16 also just catch the edge of the car barn expansion's back wall removal.

Great photo work.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: John Kokas on June 23, 2019, 04:24:53 PM
It may be camera angle, but I think someone needs to look at the grading between the ramp track and the bathrooms.  Sure looks like a great spot for water to pond  - maybe a little ditching will fix.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: john d Stone on June 23, 2019, 07:01:11 PM
Wow! That was quick work! And it looks like mainline quality!
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Mike Fox on June 23, 2019, 07:03:22 PM
John, that is camera angle. It is supposed to flow north around the bathroom to the new ditch Brendan dug.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: James Patten on June 23, 2019, 08:41:45 PM
The grade up to the ramp felt a bit like the Mt. Washington Cog.  I'm hoping that gets adjusted.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Mike Fox on June 23, 2019, 09:08:34 PM
Going to need more skates..
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on June 24, 2019, 11:16:45 AM
Fantastic work. So, what's next for the track crew?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Dwight Winkley on June 24, 2019, 02:58:14 PM
Jack and tamp the ramp track. Than reballast and tamp the low spot near the stub switch.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 24, 2019, 11:10:09 PM
Any plans to erosion-cover the area between  track and car barn, including the ditch bottom?
Yes, the track looks saggy just south of the stub switch, otherwise fine.
Must be what leveling is for.  ;)
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Fred Morse on June 25, 2019, 04:31:12 PM
New ramp track got a lift today in a couple of places.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 25, 2019, 05:01:34 PM
Jacking and tamping today.

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Today it was discovered that the tamper will work without the umbrella attachment.

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Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Bill Reidy on June 25, 2019, 05:39:15 PM
Today it was discovered that the tamper will work without the umbrella attachment.

Depends on the operator.  One requires a parasol (plus a cup holder).

Thanks for posting the photos, Brendan.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: John Kokas on June 25, 2019, 06:19:37 PM
I was about to echo the sentiment of lack of parasol and mug in cupholder.  I then see Jason at the controls - and all of a sudden I hear this phrase from the past (Cheech and Chong)…..  Dave's not here Man ………..  :o
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Wayne Laepple on June 25, 2019, 07:34:19 PM
Anny chance those couple of sticks of rail between the garage and the track could be moved elsewhere? They made footing somewhat problematic on Saturday. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on June 25, 2019, 08:44:52 PM
If any of you had bothered to read the operation manual you would have known that using Big Joe/Tampforce One without the parasol and cup holder voids the warranty. You think I use those for my own comfort? You would be wrong.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: John Kokas on June 25, 2019, 09:04:37 PM
LMAO !   ;D ;D
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on June 26, 2019, 09:22:33 AM
Today it was discovered that the tamper will work without the umbrella attachment.

Depends on the operator.  One requires a parasol (plus a cup holder).


Does the cup holder require a pre supplied beverage for said operator? ::)

Jeff S.

Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on June 26, 2019, 09:25:49 AM
Jeff;
Due to the quirky tastes of the operator he usually brings his own. As he has many enemies (he doesn't even trust his aide-de-camp) he insists on sealed containers.
Dave
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Dana Deering on June 26, 2019, 09:38:15 AM
Nice work getting those sags out of the ramp track.  Looks good!
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 26, 2019, 12:25:40 PM
First move on the track.

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Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Bill Baskerville on June 26, 2019, 01:25:32 PM
Curiosity question... why did we bring 65 back so early in the summer season?
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on June 26, 2019, 01:31:01 PM
It's mentioned elsewhere - Maine DOT is doing work at the Creamery Pier that necessitated the car's (temporary) relocation back to Sheepscot. It is my understanding that it will be put back on display in Wiscasset in a few weeks.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Roger Cole on June 26, 2019, 03:24:26 PM
Great job on the ramp and perfect timing.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on June 26, 2019, 04:03:05 PM
How are rails aligned with trailer?

Ties & all get moved? Or are you guys that good backing they do not have to be  moved.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 26, 2019, 04:28:26 PM
Absolutely designed and built to "spec", as a commercial punch list might say.
Compare this job with what Chama, Antonito, Silverton, Durango have.

Perfect!

Big Joe now needs a/c, tv, stereo and autopilot ;D

Hope car barn workers get weather cooperation.
And may the Timber Bridge Builders Code guide them to usually swift, high quality completion, matching ramp track standards.  ;)




 

Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 26, 2019, 04:42:16 PM
Carl...per my long-distance delivery  experience, the competent truckee is responsible for checking, safely transporting, and correctly delivering his load (with direction if necessary).
 
WW&F's ramp, track, ballast stay put. 
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Bill Piche on June 26, 2019, 04:50:19 PM
The ramp track is designed to have a little bit of lateral leeway right at the end there. There's no ballast (as can be seen in the pictures) and there are skids under the ties that allow it to slide if the truck didn't back up perfectly in line with the track.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 26, 2019, 05:20:15 PM
Ohhhh, didn't realize that.
Veeeerrry clever.  ;)
I'm sure it saves driver hair-tearing and wheel-twirling arm spasms.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Joe Fox on June 26, 2019, 05:23:48 PM
Unless something has changed, the dairy car is expected to stay at the museum till next spring due to the long lasting construction in Wiscasset.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 26, 2019, 05:54:19 PM
I wonder if the guys at Engineering News Record would do a history/feature story on WW&F building projects.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: john d Stone on June 26, 2019, 07:20:16 PM
https://youtu.be/-YY4LUZubyE

I found this instructional video for ramp use. Thought it might be helpful for exchanging locomotives.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Bill Baskerville on June 26, 2019, 09:35:21 PM
Let's don't get into the habit of running between the moving locomotive and the goose-neck of the trailer.  Scary.....
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: john d Stone on June 27, 2019, 12:22:52 AM
I thought the whole thing was a bit scary! But no lack of nerves in Romania!
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Mike Fox on June 28, 2019, 09:58:59 AM
Backing the larger trailers like that is not too hard. I did it for 15 years. Brendan has installed a target to line up by, and the ties and rail can then be shifted the inch or so to make up any difference that the trailer may be off.
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Benjamin Richards on June 28, 2019, 10:04:14 AM
Agree, a larger trailer is usually easier than a smaller trailer. And reference marks help tremendously.

Well, strictly speaking, it's the distance from the coupling to the trailer axles that makes the difference. Those 4x8 utility trailers are hell to fanangle down my 8ft-wide driveway...
Title: Re: New ramp track
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 28, 2019, 03:36:03 PM
Agree. Those short, light trailers are REALLY difficult to back up, take careful, patient attention.