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Title: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on May 03, 2013, 09:19:45 PM
It's been quite some time since we last heard about the status of #3 locomotive at Phillips. Is there anything new to report?
Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: James Patten on May 03, 2013, 09:30:16 PM
The SR&RL Monson page (http://www.srrl-rr.org/Projects/Monson_3/Monson_3.htm (http://www.srrl-rr.org/Projects/Monson_3/Monson_3.htm)) was updated on January 1, 2013.

Essentially, she's back in Phillips, and needs to be re-assembled. 

The SR&RL annual meeting is tomorrow, in Phillips.
Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on May 03, 2013, 09:34:53 PM
Who is in charge up there these days?
Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: Bernie Perch on February 19, 2014, 11:32:00 PM
To change the topic a little, what is the story on Monson number 3?

Bernie
Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: James Patten on February 20, 2014, 08:10:40 AM
Monson 3 is under lease by the SR&RL group, so your query should go in that forum.  Not that anybody I know about from there posts here!
Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: James Patten on February 20, 2014, 03:07:24 PM
Unforunately their web page hasn't been updated in a while, so no idea what the current status is.  Other than they need more money, which I can personally verify having heard it from Bill Berry at the Augusta train show on Saturday.
Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: Bernie Perch on February 20, 2014, 06:10:05 PM
James,

Thank you.  I have been trying to follow it on their web site and that's why I asked the question.  I thought some progress was being made.  It seems a shame that it is just sitting around.

Bernie
Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: James Patten on February 20, 2014, 08:04:10 PM
I was going to report on what I heard from the show, but it's been a few days and I've forgotten most of what I was told.  I also didn't really ask much about it.

Basically what I remember is - it's coming along, slowly.  It might be operating this year.
Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: Glenn Byron on July 15, 2014, 01:44:34 PM
I was in Phillips on Memorial Day and drove thru  the open SR&RL Railway gate to the Round House.  Noah was there alone and showed us the progress.  Monson #3 is somewhat approaching looking like a locomotive again.  All the big dollar stuff is done, but final assembly has a long way to go.  Their working crew seems small.  Noah is still the spark plug; his youthful vitality can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I hope someone will update the website with more details. Our group left them a donation and plead with others to do likewise. This thread I found is more than a year old:

http://www.srrl-rr.org/news/money_troubles.htm

http://www.srrl-rr.org/Projects/Monson_3/Monson_3.htm   This one was updated 3/1/2014
Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: Philip Marshall on July 21, 2014, 08:13:57 AM
I was in Phillips on Sunday and talked a bit with Bob Troup. He said they have made a proposal to the MNG to purchase Monson 3 outright, the logic being that they have already invested ~$120,000 in the engine while MNG values her at only $90,000. It's unclear to me how this idea will be received by MNG, but all further work has been put on hold pending the outcome of negotiations.

Whatever happens, they are still in desperate need of money.

Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: John McNamara on July 21, 2014, 08:46:01 AM
Guides to personal success in the business world sometimes say, "You are what you wear." In this age of social media, "You are what your web site says you are."

Are there any readers of this forum who can help Sandy River develop a more compelling web site?

-John
Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: James Patten on July 22, 2014, 07:01:03 AM
They also need to get out a newsletter.  They probably would be able to get more money if they did that.  I've been a member for 2 or 3 years now and don't recall getting any newsletters from them in that time.
Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on July 22, 2014, 01:01:05 PM
All I received is my opening packet and then, a year or so later, a renewal form. I sent an email to the listed email address and, when I didn't receive the courtesy of a reply, I knew they didn't really want me to renew my membership. As John has noted the website isn't of much use and hasn't had a significant update in years. I wish them well but they need to improve their communications to the members and public at large.
Dave
Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on July 22, 2014, 10:08:13 PM
Years ago when I was still working, my employer Verizon would match donations to non-profits dollar for dollar. In addition to giving to the WW&F and the East Broad Top, I once sent a substantial donation to the SR&RL Museum at Phillips.  A stipulation by Verizon was that the group the donation was sent to had to contact Verizon to verify the receipt of the gift.  If not verified by a certain date, they would LOSE the Verizon matching amount.  I received notice from Verizon that they had not received such verification from SR&RL and that the time period was about to expire. I finally made phone contact with someone at Phillips and they handed me a bunch of excuses as to why they had not verified my gift. I told them they had better get on the stick and do it or they would lose the matching gift. They finally did reach Verizon with just a day left before the deadline.  I got back to them and stated that if they were as cavalier as that about getting a substantial matching donation, then they really didn't need the money. I have not donated a penny since.  Lack of communication and organization seems to be the S.O.P. up there. It is their game to lose.

Richard
Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 23, 2014, 02:35:39 PM
It's not very nice of us to be taking pot shots at our fellow preservationists. After all, they are doing the best that they can with the hand they've been dealt.

And keep in mind that someday we might need a favor from them.....
Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 23, 2014, 02:44:42 PM
Thanks Wayne for reminding us all to be good sports.

Let's keep this discussion focused on what we can do to help. The Sandy River group's communication issues are now well documented and no further evidence is needed. Maybe one of our co-members or another forum reader can contact them and offer to help out in this regard.

Meanwhile, let's also be thankful for the people like John McNamara who put out our newsletter time and time again; and for the open communication that we enjoy at the WW&F (of which this forum is a small part.)
Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: John McNamara on July 23, 2014, 05:00:17 PM
Maybe one of our co-members or another forum reader can contact them and offer to help out in this regard.
That was indeed the goal of my post.

-John

(p.s. to Ed, thanks for the kind words.)
Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on July 23, 2014, 05:04:39 PM
Taking "pot shots" and stating well documented facts are two different things.  I do NOT take pot shots.

Richard
Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 23, 2014, 05:30:23 PM
I've been monitoring this thread closely, and didn't see (and still don't see) any real horrible pot shots; just lots of first hand experiences and examples.

That said, let's move on. There really isn't any value in sharing such stories. I'm sure the Sandy River group is aware of their shortcomings, and will address them if someone comes forward who is willing to help.


Now back to #3...
There is a nice thread on the NGDF (Narrow Gauge Discussion Forum) about a recent visit, with lots of pictures. Check out:
http://ngdiscussion.net/phorum/read.php?1,269747 (http://ngdiscussion.net/phorum/read.php?1,269747)
Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 24, 2014, 07:38:38 AM
Thanks for the link Ed.  Yes, the SR&RL post on the NGDF has good photos and info.  The post was done by WW&F life member Philip Marshall whom I had the pleasure of meeting the day before.  Philip spent a good part of Saturday at Sheepscot meeting some of us and seeing the progress on #9 (as well as other projects).  We hope he can make it back to Sheepscot more often.

Regarding #3 - I'm a life member of the SR&RL and have donated to the #3 fund in the past.  I think a number of people are waiting to see what comes from the lease/purchase talks with MNG before doing anything else.  As noted, communication is the key.  We WW&FR's are fortunate to have dedicated members John, James and Cindy keeping us up to date on what is happening and what is needed. 
Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: Philip Marshall on July 24, 2014, 12:17:11 PM
Thank you Ed and Stewart for the kind words about my post on the NGDF. I'm glad you found it interesting! It was really good to meet you, Stewart.

-Philip Marshall
Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: John McNamara on July 24, 2014, 05:14:19 PM
The Sandy River & Rangeley Lakes Railroad has a nice Facebook page. I encourage all two-foot fans to visit it and "like" it.

-John
Title: Re: Monson #3 status at Phillips
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on July 26, 2014, 10:33:29 AM
Thanks John, you just saved me from feeling REALLY silly for suggesting they do just that.
(Now I just need to find that page.)  ;)