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Title: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 25, 2012, 06:07:29 PM
Since the "North Yard" (which encompasses a car shed, roundhouse, turntable, coal storage, and a myriad of railroad tracks) doesn't appear to have its own work thread, and because the grading that's occurring is important to all these projects, here's pictures from the recent work that contractor Jeff Verney has done.

First photo is taken from the driveway of the house, looking easterly.  The survey stake with the yellow tape may be one corner of the roundhouse.

Second photo is taken from the end of the spur, looking south.

Third photo is taken from near where the north wall of the car shed will be, looking northerly at the current end of the spur.

Last photo is taken from Track 7, looking westerly.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 25, 2012, 06:17:12 PM
How is the current drainage between the Percival house and the old parking area affected by all this earth-moving? Has it been placed underground in a culvert?
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 25, 2012, 06:27:04 PM
Regarding drainage - no culverts have been run, Jeff wanted to cover everything up and then later dig out to put culverts in.

Here's a picture which I have taken the liberty of touching up.  It shows the corners of the car shed, as determined by survey stakes.  I had to look pretty closely to find the far ones in my photo.  Keep in mind there's no real perspective sense in this shot.

(http://www.wwfry.org/pics/for_forum/car_shed_outline.jpg)

The current plan is 3 tracks wide.  As you can see, some trees on the west side will have to come down.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on November 25, 2012, 09:34:49 PM
A while back while at the museum I referred to the new main line switch at Sheepscot as the "north switch" and was told that would be confusing with the north run-around switch (which is the main line switch leading into the shops yard).  The observation made sense to me.

Would "House Yard" make sense for the new yard to be built, leading to the engine house, car house (barn) and close to the Percival house? 
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 25, 2012, 10:49:09 PM
Why not follow the lead of the original WW&F and call it the Upper Yard?
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on November 26, 2012, 05:00:49 PM
Wayne,

Nothing official here but a good many of us call the new/north yard the "upper yard".  The track feeding the upper yard is known as the "spur" since it feeds a number of buildings.  The switch that Bill mentioned (for the spur) has been called a few things including "house" and "upper yard switch".  I don't think there is an official name yet.  Another name I've heard is "Tuxedo Junction".  The latter is one of those nick name or slang terms that railroaders use.   That's the one that may stick!

Stewart
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on November 26, 2012, 05:09:23 PM
How about "West Yard" for the compass-inclined? How about "Back Yard" for "Fred is out playing in the back yard."

-John
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 26, 2012, 11:36:32 PM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/WWandF%20Ry/100_4029.jpg)
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on November 27, 2012, 06:32:18 AM
We have a few trees to play with that could come down on some of the buildings we plan to build and tracks to be put down. I could use a few playmates to do that. It wouldn't to get a couple from the centerfold of playboy Mag.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on December 04, 2012, 11:17:21 AM
Based on Steve Smith's photos on the other thread (December 2012 Work Planning) - and the Site Plan - will there be a culvert for the Track 7 lead to the turntable?

Will there be a drain pipe, culvert, or open ditch helping to channel the water from the south end of the carhouse and area of the former coal pile northward towards the shop pit drain pipe exit?
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 04, 2012, 01:57:46 PM
There are plans to run pipe in the current ditch, that Steve posted in another thread. I mentioned yesterday that there will have to be a pipe that collects from the turntable location. The ground is so flat that there should be a plan on sloping everything from the shop extension to the house driveway toward a collective area so it can go into a pipe. I would not suggest this area be in the turntable location.

Unfortunately Sheepscot is in the lowest area around and all the water wants to drain to it. We just need to keep it under control.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on December 04, 2012, 08:52:52 PM
I apologize for putting the grading photo in the wrong thread. Will endeavor to fix that now.

(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t437/StevenSmith3/WWandF%20Dec%203%202012/IMG_1839_zps48cb430a.jpg)
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on December 05, 2012, 08:35:21 AM
It sure looks like there should be plenty of track laying for the Spring Work Weekend (and Fall).  Perhaps even the start of the Car Barn. 

Aside questions, will the turntable pit be poured concrete or stone masonry or something else?  Have the turntable design drawings been done?
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on December 05, 2012, 11:09:40 AM
Turntable pit will be a poured concrete ring.  We're hoping to leave inside the pit natural.  We've got turntable drawings.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on December 05, 2012, 02:00:51 PM
The turntable drawings are Portland Company plans for a 48' bridge from 1891.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 05, 2012, 09:27:09 PM
As long as the machining gets done for the switches Ken, there will be plenty of work in the spring. 5 switches to lay and all the track that joins them. As well as other ongoing projects.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on January 01, 2013, 07:34:28 AM
Before laying track in the North Yard there a few trees that need to be cut down. Would M.L.K. weekend be a good time to do that, providing the snow is not too deep. As far as the restroom project goes, there will be only mudding and taping on the sheetrock. A lot of people would be just standing around on that project.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on January 01, 2013, 10:24:06 AM
Speaking of the restrooms, how about conducting a lottery to see who will have the honor of being the first to USE it?   Tickets could be sold for, say, $5.00 each. Then a drawing would be held and the winner would get to be "first" user. The Museum would get all the money. 

Continuing along this line, the present "Porta-Potty" could be ceremoniously crushed and buried at some convenient place on the property, or converted into a storage shed or whatever, with its guts removed.
Something which has "served" the Museum so long deserves to be memorialized in some fashion.

Is this "thinking outside the box", or what? (sorry).

Richard
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on January 01, 2013, 10:30:31 AM
The trees by the North Yard will have to be cut long before we get rid of the porta potty. That lottery idea stinks!
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 01, 2013, 10:42:32 AM
The portapot is rented.  It will be returned when the restrooms are in service.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on January 01, 2013, 12:43:38 PM
Well there should at least be a transitional "retirement" ceremony.  A "last" use of the old and a "first" use of the new facility.  I expect resident photographer Hussar to come up with some award winning shots of this milestone event.

It might even rate a commemorative T shirt or sweatshirt for the "in crowd".  The changeover from Porta Potty to permanent restrooms is right up there with reaching Top of the Mountain or the first steam up of restored #9, as far as I'm concerned.  Having used the current "facilities" in all temperature extremes over the years, I count this advance as second to none in the Museum's history.

I mean, gee WHIZ.

Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on January 01, 2013, 12:47:45 PM
I posed the "first use" question to Zack a month or two ago, and he claimed that it was customary for the plumber in charge to have the honor - something about "product testing." ;D

-John
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on January 01, 2013, 01:12:37 PM
No matter who is first, they will be "flush" with pride.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on January 01, 2013, 01:25:08 PM
In my opinion, the best train oriented tourist restroom has to be at Clark's Trading Post where the "facilities" are in an impressive granite building at the end of the commercial street shops. It is named the "River Bank" (backed up to the Pemigewasset River). It has all kinds of tongue-in-cheek humor in gold leaf letters on the windows, such as "New deposits welcome", etc.  It is a classic, yet it also is spotlessly clean and has baby changing stations, hot air hand dryers, etc. First class in every way, while maintaining a great sense of fun.

Richard
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on January 01, 2013, 01:36:06 PM
We can cut the trees before the track is put down, or after. It will be much better before the end of April. I know I'm going out on a limb talking about work, but that's my make-up.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 01, 2013, 02:26:15 PM
Gee Fred,  I knew you wood get back to tree cutting.  Are you talking about the ones along where the "woods track" will go?
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on January 01, 2013, 03:51:44 PM
No! 3 behind the section house, and some pines that have had their roots torn up and near where the car barn is to be built. Probably the hardwood trees are O.K. if not leaning towart the buildings that are to be built.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on January 01, 2013, 04:16:58 PM
Fred,
Happy New Year! Bill and I will be pleased to assist you with the trees on MLK Saturday. I'll mention it to a friend with a chainsaw as well.
Dave
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on January 01, 2013, 05:17:08 PM
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Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on January 01, 2013, 05:46:55 PM
Now we're getting somewhere!

Unfortunately, this will be a one-time-only event, not something to do every year like the Picnic and Victorian Christmas.

Let's see TRAINS Magazine do an article on this historic event!!!

Has anyone done any research on the toilets in the original WW&F coaches?  I assume they were the open hopper variety like the standard gauge units.  I have a vivid memory of one of those. This is a true story -- you can't make up stuff this good.

Years ago when I was a volunteer on the Wolfeboro Railroad, we were using the old LO&S wooden motor car that had been leased from Strasburg RR.  While waiting in the siding at Cotton Valley to meet the steam train, engineer Charlie Ruff and I were outside the car, while the conductor who's name I can't recall, remained inside.  As we sat on the ground beside the car, Charlie spotted something on the rear truck that he decided to investigate.  He was describing some sort of defect to me as we crawled under the car for a better look. As we were checking it out, we suddenly felt warm liquid running down on us from above. He looked at me and I looked at him with a, "what the frig?", look, when it suddenly dawned on us that we were beneath the hopper and being peed on by the conductor. We rolled out from under the car and stood up sputtering and swearing.  Just then, the steam train passed us.  We tried to brush ourselves off as best we could and got back on the car.  The conductor was walking down the aisle. We had no passengers, so no one had seen what happened.  We didn't say a word about it to the conductor and as far as I know he never realized what he had done. The remainder of the trip was uneventful.  I've been p'd off many times before and since, but never p'd on.

Another "true tales of the rails" story to be filed in New England railroad history archives.

Richard
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on January 01, 2013, 06:14:21 PM
Boy did this thread get hijacked sent down the wrong pipe  :o

Ya know ... we're building a restroom facility not Xanadu.  Instead of a lottery raffle for squatters rights in the new restroom, how about a raffle for something better.  We recently found a railroad lantern up in Alice's room in the shop building.  It's from the group the museum had made 13 years ago.  Some of you will remember the Adlake kero short globe lanterns that were made as a fundraiser.  This lantern is from that group of 50, all stamped WW&F RAILWAY.  Most of them sold in the first 6 months but a few were saved for use by train crews.   The lantern has never been fired - it's been hanging from the rafters for years. 

The raffle could be run during the Spring Work Weekend, with proceeds to benefit the new upper yard (see Ed I did bring this back home!).

Is anyone interested in a chance to own the last 2000 era WW&F lantern?  Let me know and the gift shop crew can put things in motion.  It will be announced in the newsletter as well.

Stewart
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on January 01, 2013, 07:04:36 PM
I'd much rather have an original WW&F (preferably "marked") toilet seat. Everyone has lanterns.  Imagine a genuine wood WW&F hopper seat?   There must be one stashed someplace.

I remember years ago hearing tales of someone up in Maine connected with an unnamed electric railway museum who had a vast collection of toilet seats.  Ask Dwight Winkley about that.

Now, back to the main(e) subject if we must.

Richard
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 01, 2013, 07:47:03 PM
Are you talking about the leaner Fred? I had thoughts of tring to fall that one sometime soon, being on how I am probably the one that can run the fastest!
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 01, 2013, 10:02:20 PM
I knew a guy once who collected wooden toilet seats. I believe he was a member of the Birch John Society.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on January 01, 2013, 10:23:20 PM
I knew a guy once who collected wooden toilet seats. I believe he was a member of the Birch John Society.
The young 'uns aren't going to understand that, but I do.  :)

-John
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on January 01, 2013, 10:42:04 PM
Oh, that was BAD !   But I love it.

"Right on Maude"
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on January 01, 2013, 11:08:50 PM
LOL I think we are going off topic now since I see we are talking a lot about Toilets and restrooms right now and I see nobody talking about the North Yard Subject.  ;D ::) ;)
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on February 16, 2013, 08:23:00 PM
While you folks were working up in Alna today, Dave Crow and I, with the help of Baltimore Streetcar Museum master machinist CJ, worked on parts for 33-pound frogs for the North Yard area. I was mostly the go-fer and holder of the other end, while Dave operated the hydraulic press to put a small bend in the rail before CJ set it up in their BIG Cincinnati milling machine. Then Dave monitored the machine as it milled off portions of the head and base of the rail, which will become one part of a switch frog. We bent the rails for three switches and three rails done. Then CJ reset the machine for the mating portions of three more rails. I had to leave before that part of the operation began. I've attached two photos. The first is of Dave running the mill, and the second shows one of the rails after the milling operation was completed.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on February 16, 2013, 08:26:18 PM
Make sure to keep track of your time while at the WW&F (temporary) annex.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 16, 2013, 08:53:03 PM
Thanks Wayne.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 16, 2013, 10:26:31 PM
Hey Dave and Wayne,

Youz guys do good work!

Stewart
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on February 16, 2013, 11:05:01 PM
Hey, Wayne, inquiring minds want to know whether there will be a writeup and pictures available by March 10th or thereabouts. Please send in plain brown bits to your friendly editor's email. Thanks!

-John
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on February 18, 2013, 11:29:04 PM
But of course!
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on March 26, 2013, 09:46:41 AM
Here are a couple photos from this past Saturday showing the progress of the rail pieces for the frogs:

Side of rail almost finished being milled off:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/BSM%20032313/RailBalmostdone-small.jpg)

Another piece of rail being shaved:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/BSM%20032313/Railonmill-small.jpg)

The two halves of the frog point; now to machine the 9/16" radius curve so the rails nest tightly together:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/BSM%20032313/Nestedrails-waitingonradiuscut-small.jpg)

Close-up of the joint area of the two rails:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/BSM%20032313/Nestedrailsclose-up-small.jpg)

Thanks to Wayne for coming down to Baltimore to help out!

Next step (after creating the 9/16" radius) will be to drill both rails, bolt them together, then run the mill along both outside edges so that the rails taper to a point.

Dave Crow
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on March 31, 2013, 07:11:42 PM
Happy Easter, everyone!

I went down to the Baltimore Streetcar Museum's machine shop for a couple of hours this afternoon.  I finished off the third "B" rail that Wayne and I almost completed last weekend.  The first photo shows all three "B" rails next to an "A" rail.  I then cleaned up the mill and set the cutting head to a 6-degree angle so I could start making the taper along the outer edge of the "A" rails.  This taper is what forms the "point" portion of a rail switch frog.  The first "A" rail really should have been cut with a 5-degree angle, which I proceeded to do for the second "A" rail (second photo).  All in all, a productive couple of hours.  Now to find the angle grinder and form the 9/16" radius in the end of the "B" rail so that it can nest snugly into the notch in the "A" rail.  Once the third "A" rail has its taper milled and the radius ground into the "B" rails, I can drill holes to bolt pairs of "A" and "B" rails together.  Then the mated pair gets set on the mill so I can make a much longer pass down the side of the "B" rail and then along the "A" rail to complete the point.

Dave Crow

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/BSM%20033113/All3RailBsdone.jpg)

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/BSM%20033113/RailAmachiningoftaper.jpg)
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on April 01, 2013, 01:24:17 PM
For those who might be having a difficult time imagining how these pieces fit together, here is what the final product should be like, as seen in the Sheepscot Yard:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/BSM%20033113/RailsAandBatSheepscot.jpg)
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on April 08, 2013, 08:12:27 AM
Saturday, April 6th, saw more machining and grinding on the frog parts.  I finished up the outside passes on the second and third "A" rails (1st photo).  I got up the nerve to try my hand at grinding the 9/16" radius in the "B" rails so as to mate up to the notch cut in the "A" rails (second photo).  I did one set at a time, then mounted the pair on the mill to shave the other outside edge to form the "point of the frog (next couple of photos).

Wayne Laepple plans to drive up to Maine for work weekend; hopefully he'll have room for at least one of the two sets I have ready.

Hope these pictures get you guys looking forward to building the North Yard!

Three sets of rails ready to mate up:
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/AampBRailsmated040613.jpg)

First set of rails ground to fit together:
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/1stsetgroundtofit040613.jpg)

First pair of rails set up on the mill; you can see how the point of the frog will be formed:
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/1stsetreadytomill040613.jpg)

First set milled complete:
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/1stsetmilledcomplete040613.jpg)

Second set milled complete:
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/2ndsetmilledcomplete040613.jpg)

Dave Crow
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on April 08, 2013, 12:29:22 PM
Wow! Nice work, Dave!!

Stephen
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on April 08, 2013, 12:34:00 PM
Thanks, Stephen!
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on April 25, 2013, 01:02:45 PM
I don't know if this is the right topic to ask this but when the turntable is built will it be powered by manpower or by levers and cranks?  ???
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on April 25, 2013, 01:26:46 PM
Matthew, the turntable will be an accurate reproduction of the WW&F's turntables, which were pushed around by the engine crews.  So, no levers or cranks.  We have a copy of the Portland Company's design for a 48-foot diameter turntable.  The turntable has a lot of wheels underneath to balance the load (somewhat) so that it should be pretty easy to push the turntable.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on April 29, 2013, 04:55:46 PM
Ha. Depends on what kind of cranks you're talking about....
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Sample on May 01, 2013, 11:26:23 AM
From what I heard a very important point regarding the ease of operation, especially of an "armstrong" turntable, is balancing the loco correctly.  An old Naugatuck RR story mentioned an engineer who didn't care for his fireman making this difficult at Winsted CT.  The engineer sat on his "throne" in the cab while the fireman and brakeman pushed the turntable containing the slightly off-balance loco.  Come to think of it, the engineer probably didn't care much for the brakeman either!
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on May 02, 2013, 09:03:24 PM
Quite a bit was accomplished on the North Yard Lead during Spring Work Weekend. There are pictures in that thread. On Friday "Heavy" rail was drilled and placed along side the lead. On Saturday Icabod was used to retrieve frogs and position them at the end of the lead. Then a frog was positioned for the "woods storage track" (my name for it). As a result of this it was decided to remove the then current "light" rail which was done using the tractor. Additionally the track leading to the frog was realigned to provide a straight section before the frog and points (I think that was the intent). Then tie installation was started. Ties of the right length had to be found or made. On Sunday the tie installation continued and the East Rail was safety spiked in place and one switch point put in its approximate position. I'll try to post some pictures that are not in the work weekend thread once I get them out of the camera.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on May 02, 2013, 09:55:49 PM
Pictures;
Start of the day on Saturday
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/North%20Yard%20Lead%20April%2013/SatStart.jpg) (http://s1068.photobucket.com/user/pbcrabb/media/North%20Yard%20Lead%20April%2013/SatStart.jpg.html)
Icabod placing frogs
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/North%20Yard%20Lead%20April%2013/StagingFrrogs2.jpg) (http://s1068.photobucket.com/user/pbcrabb/media/North%20Yard%20Lead%20April%2013/StagingFrrogs2.jpg.html)
Rail and tie installation
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/North%20Yard%20Lead%20April%2013/RailandTiereplace1.jpg) (http://s1068.photobucket.com/user/pbcrabb/media/North%20Yard%20Lead%20April%2013/RailandTiereplace1.jpg.html)
Rail Installation
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/North%20Yard%20Lead%20April%2013/Progress.jpg) (http://s1068.photobucket.com/user/pbcrabb/media/North%20Yard%20Lead%20April%2013/Progress.jpg.html)
As of end of Sunday work
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/pbcrabb/North%20Yard%20Lead%20April%2013/SundayPM.jpg) (http://s1068.photobucket.com/user/pbcrabb/media/North%20Yard%20Lead%20April%2013/SundayPM.jpg.html)
For some reason Photobucket won't resize this picture correctly. It wins again
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on May 06, 2013, 08:10:11 AM
Paul,

Yes, we ended up changing out one extra length of rail so that the entire "woods track" switch was built with 56-pound (or 60-pound) rail and not have a transition from 50-pound in the middle of the switch.  The one point shown needs to be moved farther north, but we need to install the two 10-foot long ties for the switch throw.  Pieces of rail can then be cut to the proper length to connect the point to the frog.  Then rail can be connected beyond the frog to continue the siding south toward the car storage building.  Jason and Rick will need to survey and mark the location of the other 56-pound switch, which will diverge over toward the future roundhouse.

Once past the second "heavy" switch, the rail will transition down to 33-pound rail for Track 1 of the storage building; the diverging track off of the first switch (the one in your photos) will also transition down to 33-pound rail so as to mate with the switch parts Wayne and I are machining down here in Baltimore.

Dave Crow
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on May 06, 2013, 11:08:37 AM
Dave; I'll have to ping on Rick as we are both from the same town in RI and we have teamed up and traveled to the RR together previously to "stake" out track layouts. So perhaps we can pick a time to link up and lay out the next "heavy" switch. I must admit I forgot about the 10 ft ties for the switch throw but your reply reminded me that they were "discussed" and I think we dug out the ballast/gravel in their location and I somehow think the switchstand throw rod location was also marked. Hopefully some additional work will get done over the operating season so track can be built in the fall.
Paul C.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on May 06, 2013, 12:48:56 PM
Paul, based on conversations with Jason and Dana, I believe the intention is to get the locations of the heavy switches laid out and (possibly) constructed during the summer so that a bunch of track can be built at the Fall Work Weekend.  One set of the 33-pound frog points was delivered to Sheepscot by Wayne Laepple; I should have the other two sets ready to transport north sometime this summer.  Then it's up to the guys up there to complete the 33-pound frogs by making wing rails and guard rails and then riveting the various segments of rail onto a base plate, similar to a model train track switch.  If I can get some of the 33-pound points machined this summer, we'll have points to mate up with the frogs; this would allow additional construction in the North Yard this fall.

Dave
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on May 16, 2013, 10:52:17 PM
During the Spring Work Weekend, the new switch throws were stripped except for some stuck short extensions.  Need some heat to remove them.  I suggest picking the machines to be used and getting them ready.  Be sure to choose those that have all of their oil caps in place (some did not all caps) and not use the two odd-ball types.  Also the throw rods need to be removed, inspected, prepared  and stored ready for use.  I think we should use a tall extensions (for the snow) and also decide on target type.  A simple, round red target with switch number stenciled each side would look good.  Thus someone needs be working on extensions, targets and gathering the proper hardware during this Summer.  So when the installation of the switches are complete we can add the extensions, extension adapters, targets, nuts, bolts and switch light adapters (if used).  Sort of like kits for switches.  No last minute looking for stuff.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 17, 2013, 08:51:25 PM
No last minute looking for stuff? You are taking all the fun out of it Ken. Kind of like trying to find Joint Bars to fit the holes.

Good idea. Maybe putting all the small loose items like nuts and washers in a pail. The targets aren't as important as the hardware, and can be installed or redone any time after the switch is in.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on May 17, 2013, 10:40:38 PM
If everything is ready to go then as a switch is completed I could assemble the rest.  Its my kind of job, besides painting tie ends.  LOL
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on May 29, 2013, 11:12:16 AM
This past Saturday, I spent several hours in the machine shop working on the frog parts.  Don't forget, the first set was delivered to Sheepscot by Wayne and Bernie at the spring work weekend.

The second set of frog parts, pilot drilled for bolts to hold the two parts together:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/BSM052513/Drilled2ndsetofrails052513-small.jpg)

The third set mounted up, drilled for clamping bolts, after the first mill pass; you can just see the two bolts holding the rails together:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/BSM052513/3rdsetbeingmilled05251302-small.jpg)

The third set after the second mill pass:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/BSM052513/3rdsetbeingmilled05251305-small.jpg)

I'm hoping to finish the third set this coming weekend - one more pass and they will be ready to go.  Then it's on to making switch points!

Dave Crow
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on May 29, 2013, 12:57:02 PM
Dave,
Very nice machining. Thanks so much for your efforts. These parts you are creating will make our yard switches possible sooner rather than later.
Duncan
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on May 29, 2013, 01:10:14 PM
I second what Duncan said.  Everything looks great.  Can't wait to help install the new switches when we build the upper yard this Fall!

Stewart
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on May 29, 2013, 01:17:24 PM
Thanks, Duncan and Stewart!  There are still several steps to do before these parts are useable as a track frog.  The approach/wing rails need to be cut and bent, and they need to be matched to the angle of a specific set of frog points.  Since these frogs will be of a riveted construction, with a base plate, several pieces of 5/8 inch thick steel plate, approximately 66 inches long and 16 inches wide, have to be purchased.  All the pieces then have to have holes drilled through their bases (and through the base plate) for rivet placement.

We'll also need to cut and form guard rails as well.

The switch points are 12 feet long and will be challenging to machine, even on a mill with an 8-foot bed; I'll have to hold up the overhanging end with a roller support.

Dave
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on September 16, 2013, 10:18:31 AM
It has been a while since I worked on the switch frogs for the North Yard, but I went down to the streetcar museum yesterday (Sunday) and cut up 3 pieces of rail into the 66-inch lengths required for frog wing rails.  The following photos were taken using the camera in my cell phone, so please forgive the slight fuzziness.

Cutting rail to length on the power hacksaw:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/BSM%20091513/Railcutting091513.jpg) (http://s1179.photobucket.com/user/dcrow1050/media/BSM%20091513/Railcutting091513.jpg.html)

It's a messy photo, but the six pieces of rail are piled here, along with two sets of frog point rails:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/BSM%20091513/Railforwingrails091513.jpg) (http://s1179.photobucket.com/user/dcrow1050/media/BSM%20091513/Railforwingrails091513.jpg.html)

I'm hoping to bend the wing rails this coming Sunday.  Now to figure out how to transport all the rail to Alna before the work weekend!  I could get them as far as Scranton pretty easily...

Dave Crow
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on September 16, 2013, 03:36:09 PM
Send 'em by Railway Express. They can drop them off the train at Wiscasset!

Richard
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on September 18, 2013, 07:57:11 AM
Will one of the North Yard tracks be or include a team track?  Maybe method for rolling railroad equipment off/on trailer?  A platform for using forklift or platform crane to load/unload cars?
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on October 01, 2013, 05:10:17 PM
As was mentioned by James in another thread, Rick Sission, Jason, myself and several others on Saturday Sept 21 attempted to lay out track centerlines. We were focused on the track that will run through the "roundhouse". We were not completely successful. But we did relocate the turntable pivot point south and east to ease the transition of Track 7 to the turntable. The "roundhouse" was relocated to the north so it isn't a view block (like it's already there) from the freight house platform and I believe slightly rotated to the west. Also as James mentioned the through track has been returned to going through the east stall. Part of the reason total success was not achieved was, I hope I'm correct, not being able to locate a #8 frog. I think Brandan did find an 8 1/2 frog. A #10 was on site. So at the end of the day there were stakes all over the place but no final track alignment. Rick and I took a lot of location data which Rick is going to use to make a "map" and finalize track alignment. I do not know which frog he will use. It is planned to have that ready for he and I to the track centerline including the frog location on the Friday of Work Weekend.
I may have taken a couple pictures of the stakes but if I did they are still in the camera.
Paul C.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 01, 2013, 05:30:10 PM
Nice update Paul.  The layout that youz guyz did looks real nice.  The roundhouse footprint is lined out for everyone to see during the Fall Work Weekend.

Regarding the team track, the plan (as I understand it) is to extend the woods track down into the N/W corner of parking lot.  This is where a truck could load or unload machinery, rolling stock and motive power.  There is also an idea of having a track running down the west side of the car storage building.  Not sure if the geometry would work but if so, this track would be an outside stub siding where things could be stored.  

One thing is for sure ... The upper yard is going to be a big plus for motive power operations and protecting rolling stock.

Start
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 01, 2013, 08:32:48 PM
And we also discovered there needs to be more fill for the woods track back where the switches are going to be located. Wish there was someone doing some ditching close by Fred could persuade to leave some fill there for us.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on October 01, 2013, 09:59:16 PM
The last time I looked, There still is a 56# frog on the ground just north of the rail pile at Albee's field. I do not know what number it is or if it is useable.
dwight winkley
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 01, 2013, 11:03:35 PM
That is the 8 1/2 frog.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on October 02, 2013, 01:33:32 PM
Brendan - My apologies for spelling your name incorrectly. Seems recently I am involved with a number of "Brendans" who have slightly different spellings and having CRS I get the spellings confused.
Paul

All;
Additionally I did see on the plans that were being used by us that there is a "Display Track" on the Cross Rd side of the Turntable. I don't know but it might also be intended to be an equipment transfer track.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 02, 2013, 02:28:32 PM
As I understand it - 
The display track could be a continuation of the run-through lead or from one of the other two stalls.  Since the area south of the turntable will be an open area, the track could be used to display the dairy car, etc.  It would probably be two car lengths (60') out from the pit which could put it too close to the road for a long trailer to be backed in without the truck being in the road.   

That's why the south end of the woods track would make a good transfer point.  Better access and turning room for the truck plus it's not near the turntable if something goes wrong. 

Start
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on October 25, 2013, 06:50:38 PM
On Sunday of Work Weekend Rick Sission and I laid out the centerline of the track that will go from the yard lead, inbetween the car barn and septic hill and then through the roundhouse to the turntable. Unfortunately I neglected to take pictures but Steve H. may have taken some. Rick had created the track plan using all the measurements we took in September. He worked his magic with his computer and determined the curve intersection points, radius lines and included a 50 ft straight section inbetween the reverse curves. So now there is a row of stakes that clearly show the curving track centerline. These along with the outlines of the Car Barn, Roundhouse, turntable pit and turntable pivot point which have all been marked with paint, stakes and some traffic cones allow one to envision the future North Yard.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 25, 2013, 08:59:13 PM
Paul,

You and Rick (and a few others) did a nice job laying everything out and marking it.  It is good to see how the upper yard will be set up.  The traffic cones add to the scene, the other day a visitor asked if that was our driver training area.

Start
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on October 26, 2013, 08:08:26 AM
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3754/10491427646_02c550a101_z.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7382/10491431666_275c9d6bc6_z.jpg)
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on October 28, 2013, 02:08:44 PM
Wayne Laepple and I met up Saturday morning to work on the 33-lb rail frogs here in Baltimore.  First order was to bend the ends of the wing rails; the following photo shows one of the frogs with the rails roughly laid out on the floor:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/Frog%20work%20102613/Frogs1and2102613.jpg)

All three sets of wing rails were bent before lunch.  After lunch and a quick break to look at Dave Wilson's (a fellow WW&F member) restoration progress of an 1880's horsecar/cable car trailer/electric streetcar in the carbarn, we headed back to work:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/Frog%20work%20102613/417exterior102613.jpg)

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/Frog%20work%20102613/417Interior102613.jpg)

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/Frog%20work%20102613/417headliner102613.jpg)

The green tint to the silver leaf is due to green glass in the car's clerestory windows.

Using our big radial arm drill, we made short work of making holes for clamping bolts in the frog points:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/Frog%20work%20102613/Boltholesinfrog1.jpg)

We cleaned up and headed out around 3 PM.

Dave Crow
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on October 28, 2013, 02:58:55 PM
Really nice looking work Dave & Wayne.  Is there a bottom alignment plate to attach or are you drilling and spacing the wing rails with through bolts?  Second, can your "facility" also do this on 56-60 lb rail?
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 28, 2013, 09:09:53 PM
The heck with the rail, that car Dave worked on is impressive. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on October 29, 2013, 11:29:14 AM
Dave and Wayne, that is some great work and quick too. Those points will come in handy when the yard project really gets underway.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on October 29, 2013, 01:38:31 PM
John K,

Yes, there will be a base plate to which the various rails will be riveted; this should help support the frog since the rails are light.

I still have to make one set of 35-pound switch points for one of the switches in the "south" yard, I believe into Bay 2 or 3, as the existing points are very short.

I could probably make the parts for a 60-pound frog but it would definitely be a lot of weight mounted off-center on the 8-foot bed of the milling machine.  And bending the kinks in both the frog point and wing rails would require 3 people to support the rail and operate the hydraulic press.  And there is the time factor and wear/tear on antique machines involved; if we can afford to buy switch parts at reasonable prices, does it make sense to spend limited volunteer hours making a lot of switch parts or spend that time making patterns or brake parts or assembling No. 9 or ...?  Just my two cents.

Dave Wilson and Buster Hughes did the lion's share of the work on car 417; I installed the canvas roof and replacement roof walk back in the mid to late 80s, if I recall correctly.

Dave Crow
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 23, 2015, 05:49:22 PM
Reviving an old thread ....

Jason, Brendan, Randy, and another volunteer were riveting the frogs for the switches into the car barn this afternoon.

Sorry for the poor quality, I was using my phone's camera.

Edit: I thought I could show pictures on my Google+, but apparently I don't know how.  So until I figure it out here's some pictures below.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 24, 2015, 10:57:40 PM
Just to add to Jame's post the fourth volunteer was Phil and a couple more pictures.

Base plate of the frog before riveting started and frog parts on flat 126.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_1352.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_1348.jpg)
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on October 25, 2015, 12:29:37 PM
 Jason, What are the next steps to finish the switches in the north yard ? Is this something that can happen before years end or will it take longer.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 25, 2015, 02:00:05 PM
They need some final tweaks on alignment, guard rail installation- for this fall.  Next spring the stock rails will be fitted and points installed.  They will be passable without points this winter through the use of a makeshift stub switch arrangement.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on October 29, 2015, 05:38:15 PM
Hello everybody! New member here.  I've been keeping track (no pun intended) of the excellent progress you guys are making up there in Maine!  But at this point I've lost track (again, no pun intended) of just how many different weights of rail are now being used on the WW&F.  Aren't you guys using 60 lb. on the Main track?
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 29, 2015, 06:53:15 PM
Ok. Lets see. Someone correct me if I am wrong. 25, 30, 40, 50 and 56/60 with a couple 65 sticks accidently mixed in. How is that for variety.  :)
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on October 29, 2015, 07:00:40 PM
I think you an add 33# also.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on October 29, 2015, 07:02:21 PM
25 on some of the shop tracks (from the Kennebec Central originally).
33 on the yard tracks, and mainline out to before the north yard switch.
40 as transition pieces between 33 and 40.
50 on the first part of the mainline, and some of the north yard
56 or 60 on the rest of the mainline.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 31, 2015, 09:33:34 PM
Stewart had an original WW&F guard rail we installed on one of the new switches last week.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/IMG_2304.jpg)
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on October 31, 2015, 10:24:46 PM
The guard rail is 35 lb, from the Whitefield station switch.  It was dug out of the ground about 10 years ago.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Terry W. Shirley on November 01, 2015, 09:26:15 PM
Now, THAT's Cool!!
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on November 03, 2015, 09:24:28 PM
Does anyone know/can anyone guess what the year/age is of the original guardrail? For that matter, what are the oldest rails actually in use ( ie: the length of original rail up at TOM siding)?
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 03, 2015, 09:47:13 PM
The north switch at Alna Center has an original frog (from Albion) and original points (cooper's mills).  All are 56 lb rail.

Jason
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 03, 2015, 10:14:35 PM
Will have to look at the date on the smaller KC rail, as it was laid, never replaced, then removed, hidden in CT, and returned to Maine. No doubt, someplace there is rail 115 years old we are running on.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on November 03, 2015, 10:28:39 PM
The 25-lb. KC rail we laid in the carbarn is marked "45 PS Co 90", which I take to mean Pennsylvania Steel Co., 1890, Heat 45 (for that year). This would mean it's 125 years old.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on November 03, 2015, 10:38:46 PM
Wow, multiple answers that quick,... you guys are da' NAZZ! :D
Cool answers, keep em coming! ;)
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on February 05, 2016, 12:16:01 PM
The weekday crew took advantage of the 50 degree temps yesterday and put ballast on another 15' of the bay two track in front of the car barn.  The ballast has been shovel tamped and will need more work in April.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on February 29, 2016, 09:44:32 AM
It's been a while since I've had time to work in the machine shop down here at the Baltimore Streetcar Museum.  I stopped down this past Wednesday for a long lunch break and moved two of the rail lengths from storage and placed them next to the milling machine.  On Saturday I moved the other three pieces of rail over by the milling machine so I could measure and mark the rails for trimming to exactly 12 feet long, which is the length required for our switch points.  The pieces I had moved on Wednesday were turned the wrong way around, so I had to drag these 120-pound monsters in such a way as to reverse them end for end.  Now I could place the rails, one at a time, in the power hacksaw.  I also measured and marked the rails for the location of a 1" deflection bend, which helps position the web of the rail such that it continues to carry the vertical loading, even after machining the points.  Supposedly we have a mechanical rail bender somewhere in the storage portion of the building; if I or one of the other fellows can find it, I can make the bends by myself.  If not, a second and/or third person will be required to support the rail while making the bends in our hydraulic press.  While it is definitely stronger, it's more difficult to control the exact amount of bend using the hydraulic press.  I made a bending gauge to check my work which will be a lot easier than a straight edge and a tee square as used for making the frog points!

The stack of trimmed rails in front of the milling machine:
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/Points%20022716/Trimmed%20rails.jpg)

Trimming a rail in the power hacksaw:
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/Points%20022716/Rail%20trimming.jpg)

Dave Crow
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on March 07, 2016, 11:15:27 AM
And another good Saturday was had in Baltimore.  Wayne Laepple was able to borrow a rail bender from the Stewartstown Railroad.  We made the one-inch deflection in the five rails here in Baltimore.  In the midst of the bending operation we bolted the first rail on the milling machine and made the first cut (of five different milling operations).

The BSM shop has a two-man safety policy when working with the large machines, so I am very grateful to Wayne for coming down for the day!

Wayne bending one of the rails:
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/Points%20022716/Wayne%20bending%20rail.jpg)

First milling operation (15-degree tapered cut) finished on the first rail; you can see the bend in the rail, beyond the milling bit:
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/Points%20022716/First%20point%20resized.jpg)

Dave Crow
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 07, 2016, 11:34:33 AM
That is a great policy to have Dave. The company I work for has that in place as a policy too.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on March 09, 2016, 03:45:03 PM
I took a long lunch break and met a friend and fellow WW&F member, Matt Christopher, at BSM today.  We managed to machine the 6-degree undercut angle on the other side of the rail from the 15-degree cut shown this past weekend.

End view of the switch point - somewhere around 1/16" of point at the tip:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/Points%20022716/Final%20pass%2003-09-16.jpg)

A side view, showing where the undercut ran out; Jason, your drawing shows the run-out typically should be about 2" to the left of the deflection bend...

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/Points%20022716/Run-out%2003-09-16.jpg)

The next visit down will probably do a teeny cut to make the undercut a little better, if Jason wants it.  I will then begin milling off the rail base on this side of the point so it can nest against the stock rail.

Dave Crow
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on May 26, 2016, 09:52:31 AM
Wednesday, May 25, Wayne Laepple travelled down to Baltimore to work with me.  We continued milling the first point, finishing up the removal of the base on the stock rail side of the point.  We then took the first point off the milling machine and lifted the second point - a right-side point to be the mate to the first one.  Here are a couple photos from yesterday:

An overall view of the 8-foot mill bed with a 12-foot point hanging off the end:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/DSC05059.jpg)

The point re-set, ready for the second and third sets of cuts; the other side of the head gets milled to form the sharp edge, and then the base is cut along the same imaginary vertical line so the point can nest against the stock rail:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/DSC05062.jpg)

Dave Crow
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on May 26, 2016, 07:49:59 PM
Dave,

That is real nice work.  Thanks for the pics.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on June 13, 2016, 09:52:37 AM
Friday, June 10th, Matt met me at the Baltimore Streetcar Museum so we could try to finish the mating point (a right-side point).  The guys at BSM need to machine some axles and bearings for a truck rebuild for the Electric City Trolley Museum in Scranton, PA.  So... they need the mill for a while as well as the monster lathe on the other side of the aisle (for turning the axles).  I had promised them I would clear out the switch points by this past week, so we got it done - barely!

Thanks, Matt!

Another pass, taking about 0.280" off the edge of the base:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/DSC05068.jpg)

An end shot of the point:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/DSC05067.jpg)

Dave Crow
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on November 17, 2016, 09:55:02 AM
It's been a while since I have had a chance to continue machining switch points for the North Yard, but yesterday, Wayne Laepple (Thanks, Wayne!) came down to Baltimore to work with me on a set of points.  The day's goal was to machine the tapered undercut on the base of at least one point; we managed to get the first point undercut and the second point is over 50%.  Here a couple of shots from the day:

The first point's underside being taper-cut:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/Switch%20points%2007-16/point%201%20during%20cutting.jpg) (http://s1179.photobucket.com/user/dcrow1050/media/Switch%20points%2007-16/point%201%20during%20cutting.jpg.html)

Almost done with the second point - for the day; each point requires two set ups on the 8-foot mill bed, since the total length of the cut is 97+ inches!  What you see is about 5 feet in the first set up, with a set up on  another day to finish off the second point:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/Switch%20points%2007-16/point%202%20end%20of%20day%2011-16-16.jpg) (http://s1179.photobucket.com/user/dcrow1050/media/Switch%20points%2007-16/point%202%20end%20of%20day%2011-16-16.jpg.html)

Close-up of the second point's undercut base:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/Switch%20points%2007-16/point%20profile.jpg) (http://s1179.photobucket.com/user/dcrow1050/media/Switch%20points%2007-16/point%20profile.jpg.html)

Wayne plans to deliver this set of points when the flanging machine's castings are complete from Cattail foundry, hopefully in early December.

Dave Crow
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 17, 2016, 05:51:07 PM
Wow, fabulous, thanks guys!  We'lol happily undo the temporary cob job (my half brained idea) we just installed on one of the switches!

Look how far away Wayne looks in that last photo... must be 60 MPH points...

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Scott on November 18, 2016, 12:42:58 AM
Consideration might be given to undercutting the stock rail head a little to permit a thicker and more durable point blade. It involves a little more work but it is a well-established technique.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on November 18, 2016, 08:39:48 AM
John,

The last machining step (after the base taper undercut) involves a 3/8" cut at the edge of the point and tapers up to full point height about 50+ inches along the point; this is due to the point actually riding up on and resting on the stock rail when the switch is thrown.  I will take some photos once it is complete to show there will be a little more "meat" instead of such a knife-edge at the beginning of the point.

Dave crow
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on November 18, 2016, 11:22:29 AM
Undercutting the stock rail so the point "nests" into a bit is a great idea, but we don't have the capability to do so. Most high speed turnouts are manufactured with that feature, but we don't have that luxury.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Scott on November 18, 2016, 08:47:44 PM
Yes, a little more trouble is involved. Not to labor the point, but to illustrate it, I have dug out the attached image.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Scott on November 18, 2016, 09:22:58 PM
Sorry about the pun!
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 19, 2016, 02:39:35 PM
AFAIK, doing precise work with metal is a fine art.
Fascinating.

Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on November 19, 2016, 11:33:47 PM
Well Paul, I hadn't thought of the WW&F Railway Museum as a museum of fine art, but hey, why not, especially if it might mean more grants. :D
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 19, 2016, 11:55:03 PM
You guys don't miss a trick.  ;D
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Scott on November 20, 2016, 08:07:08 AM
Railway engineering is undoubtedly a highly developed fine art, no doubt about it: it looks so simple but it is really sophisticated. Yes, simplicity is sophistication!
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on February 17, 2017, 08:50:18 AM
Wayne Laepple came down to Baltimore yesterday so we could machine another switch point for the North Yard.  We managed to perform the first two machining steps as well as cleaning and oiling the mill bed (no-one at BSM had used the mill as a mill, only as a work bench!) in about 4-1/2 hours.  Thanks, Wayne, for coming down for the day!

As my buddy, Matt, would say, "Making metal chips."  This is the 15-degree outside face, where the wheel flange meets the point:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/022%20small.jpg)\

And the second step, machining the 6-degree back taper to nest against the rail:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/023%20small.jpg)

On our next work session, in about two weeks, we will work on the right-hand mate to the left-side point shown above.

Dave Crow
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on April 07, 2017, 09:12:28 AM
Thursday, April 6th, Wayne Laepple came down to Baltimore to work with me on the switch points; we also had a session on March 9th.  The second set of points have the first several machining steps complete: both sides of the head machined to 15 degrees (wheel side) and 6 degrees (mate side with stock rail) as well as the one side of the base machined off in line with the 6 degree taper so it can nest up against the stock rail.

Yesterday we machined the base off of the left side point and then flipped it on its side to start the tapered undercut so the point can rest up on the stock rail.  We managed to undercut a little under 6 feet of the point, but either a second set up on the mill or judicious use of an angle grinder will be required to finish off this point.  I plan to undercut the right side point next week; the points can then come north for final tweaking before installation.

A second pass undercutting the base of the rail:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/Point%20base%20cut%201%20small.jpg)

An end shot (not the best photo quality) showing the undercut:

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x391/dcrow1050/Point%20profile%20small.jpg)

Thanks again to Wayne for coming down to Baltimore to help out with the machining!

Dave Crow
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 07, 2017, 10:20:00 AM
Thank you guys so much!!  That is a fabulous machine for this job- with the adjustable head.  The fixturing to use our mill is much more complicated.

Dave, I know I owe you a PM answer...

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on April 07, 2017, 02:09:07 PM
Jason,

We have a smaller version of the same mill - with a similar adjustable-angle head as well - in the heated portion of the shop; right now it is cutting babbit to the proper radius for a replacement bearing.

Dave Crow
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on April 07, 2017, 02:44:32 PM
If we're in the market for a mill with an adjustable head, I can keep an eye open. I know several folks who get around to shops and machine sales places that might have what we need.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 29, 2017, 11:15:55 PM
Randy Beach drove down to the Baltimore Streetcar Museum to pickup the switch points last week.

Dave Crow and Randy loading up the trailer in Baltimore.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_6359.jpg)

Switch points next to the shop in Sheepscot.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_0599.jpg)
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 30, 2017, 07:33:54 AM
Woohoo. Switches. That will help tremenously in the use of the car barn. The 5 step thowing by hand is going to be a thing of the past finally
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 30, 2017, 02:35:50 PM
Oh boy...another project! ;). Seriously, will be very switch-labor-saving, I'm sure, not to mention derail-saving.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on June 30, 2017, 09:24:03 PM
Dave and Wayne did a fabulous job on them.

Remaining work:

1.  The switch points need several holes drilled each, and machined corners eased.

2.  We need slide plate material cut to length, hole punched and welded.

3.  We need to set final switch timbers.

4.  Bend stock rails (already in position) and install points, heel blocks.

5.  Make up throw bars.

6.  Instal stand, throw bars, adjust.

Still an effort, by worthwhile of course.  But it won't be done next week :)

Jason
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on June 30, 2017, 11:12:04 PM
Oh Goody, another switch project just in time for my mid July visit.  If no one has jumped on this in the next couple of weeks Steve L. and I can whip it out with a little help from others.

Of course this means a great deal of guidance from Jason.....

Bill
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 01, 2017, 09:14:15 AM
Dave and Wayne did a fabulous job on them.

Remaining work:

1.  The switch points need several holes drilled each, and machined corners eased.

2.  We need slide plate material cut to length, hole punched and welded.

3.  We need to set final switch timbers.

4.  Bend stock rails (already in position) and install points, heel blocks.

5.  Make up throw bars.

6.  Instal stand, throw bars, adjust.

Still an effort, by worthwhile of course.  But it won't be done next week :)

Jason


Sounds like July will be a busy month.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 07, 2017, 09:55:49 PM
Busy ya say? BUSY?
Besides running weekend trains, the guys may be heading for shift work and floodlights!  ;D
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on July 28, 2017, 08:58:09 AM
On Thursday 27th in the North Yard two rails were bent with the museum hand powered screw rail bender. After the two rails were bent both joint bars were installed.
At the same turnout two switch points were set on the ties. We than put the slide plates  under the rails. Of course nothing go right, so a lot of little thing keep getting in the way, like track spikes in the wrong place and the spikes had to be removed
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 28, 2017, 06:27:54 PM
 Today work continued on the Northyard bay 2 switch. The switch points were bolted in. Enough parts were found and freed up to make one switch stand. The 32 parts to make the transit clips were fabricated. Tomorrow they will have to bent, drilled and welded so the throw bar and gauge bars can be installed. Then the switch stand and throw rod can be installed.

Regretfully all the switch stands that are left from which to choose or seriously rusted and frozen up.

 I took pictures today since someone asked. Unfortunately I Couldn't load them.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 29, 2017, 06:27:36 PM
Here's a photo of what's been done for the switches:

Or not.  Photobucket is being annoying.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 29, 2017, 10:05:45 PM
After some additional work to the points and a week of building slide plates, the Car Barn 2 switch is looking very nice finally.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0729171807a_zpspdsjsbie.jpg)
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 30, 2017, 08:30:14 PM
Mike, thanks for posting the pix of switch progress. A close look will show the missing throw bar, gauge bar, throw rod, switch stand and associated transit clips. However it is a lot closer to being finished.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 03, 2017, 05:21:14 PM
Great work, guys.
BTW, what are transit clips?
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on August 03, 2017, 09:25:24 PM
  One pair of transit clips are Used to bolt to the web of the points and attach them to the throw bar. A second pair is used about midway up the point rails toward the point heel and attach the points to a spacer bar.  Fabrication of the transit clips was finished today and I will start bolting them in tomorrow.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 04, 2017, 12:30:10 AM
You da man, Bill!
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on August 08, 2017, 08:44:33 PM
Today, thanks to Steve L., Phil and a few others, the car barn track 2 switch was completed and is now in service. Late in the day a few of us found a switch stand for track 3 that we got working. Tomorrow we hope to get the throw bar parts freeded up and finish machining the second point. After drilling 19 more holes we can start putting the track 3 switch together
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 08, 2017, 09:17:53 PM
That would be excellent.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on August 09, 2017, 03:42:35 AM
It will be nice to have these switches in place. It will certainly make life easier trying to switch in the North yard.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 09, 2017, 06:16:06 AM
Bill and the crew have done a stellar job with the switches, the bay 2 switch throws so well that it doesn't even need oil.  Today, the bay 2 switch gets it's switch lock so it will be all set.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on August 09, 2017, 07:52:08 PM
Today a great team came together and while Mark was finishing machining and drilling the points Steve, Phil, Wayne, Dwight and a few others relocated the head blocks, bent the stock rails and did a lot of other preparation work. This afternoon the points were installed.

Tomorrow we hope to fab up the throw bars and mount the switch stand, spike in the slide plates and few a other parts.

The good news is that the wood/strap points so loved by all are now gone to a better home in the weeds.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on August 09, 2017, 08:00:29 PM
We should have had a ceremony for those strap iron points...

The north yard is looking fabulous today.

18 signed into the book today (Wednesday).  A couple folks didn't sign either.  Quite a day.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 10, 2017, 12:09:13 AM

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74011/IMG_1603.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74011/IMG_5465.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74011/IMG_5466.jpg)
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on August 10, 2017, 04:08:23 PM
As is so often the case, very impressive contributions from our far flung volunteer corp. Switching the north yard can be a little nerve wracking because it's on a grade and it is difficult to see the brakemen around the curve, especially when they signal from the dark inside of the car shed. Pushing the cars into the shed at the end of the day in the dark was more than a little  exciting during last winter's operations.

Properly finishing the switches will make life a lot easier, and safer, for everyone.

One suggestion: there's a lot of parts and pieces lying around up there, now being covered by the weeds, and any snow covers things up too. This makes trying to walk and signal on the ground dangerous because there's so much to trip over. A few minutes spent picking up and weed wacking would be a appreciated.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on August 10, 2017, 05:54:35 PM
That's some really purr-dee work there Brenden & Crew!  You guys could teach some of these full-time MOW guys a thing or two.  (RR(s) omitted to protect the guilty)
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 10, 2017, 06:11:10 PM
I had nothing to do with getting the switches in. I just posted the pictures.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on August 10, 2017, 08:09:10 PM
Wayne and Jim worked on the track three switch today. They made the final adjustments to the points and set the number one and number to throw bars. What remains is salvaging two more parts off of one of the old rusted up switch stands, spiking in the slide plates and the switch stand.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on August 10, 2017, 08:33:45 PM
Most of the credit goes to Bill.  He has been devoting the last two weeks to getting these switches done, and he has been the go-to person when answers are needed.  Wayne gets credit as his deputy, with knowledge about how to fix all problems.  The rest of us were just helping them as needed to get the job finished.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on August 10, 2017, 11:23:08 PM
Congratulations, crew!

For the time being, Brendan's 3rd shot makes a dandy "What's wrong with this picture?" picture!  :D
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 10, 2017, 11:49:04 PM
Bay 2 switch looks perfect. Great work, guys. Looks like 3 will be done super soon.
Re: dry, rusty slide plates...track guys in Abq paint  a silicone paste  on them, dries to a slippery consistency, whatever it's called.  
In my experience, using both a point field man using a signal lantern and  an outside relay guy should prevent pushing cars through the barn's back wall!
Or, you may need to use radios, only here.
Cheers.  ;)
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on August 11, 2017, 07:51:04 AM
 
In my experience, using both a point field man using a signal lantern and  an outside relay guy should prevent pushing cars through the barn's back wall!
Or, you may need to use radios, only here.

We now keep a ready supply of LED "lanterns" at the doors to the car barn so that we have them handy when moving equipment in.
Title: Re: North Yard Project - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on August 11, 2017, 07:08:43 PM
The Northyard car bar the switch for track number three and the woods track is now in service. It is safety spiked. 

Today Jim and myself with Bob and Jason's help salvaged the remaining parts to get the switch stand installed and adjusted.

Tuesday Steve, Mark and Phil can finish spiking the slide plates and we will be done.