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Title: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: James Patten on August 03, 2017, 08:10:55 PM
This year the National Narrow Gauge Convention is in Denver, CO.  Ira Schreiber was going to man an informational booth for us this year there, but due to an accident and hospital stay he will be unable to attend the convention for us.  Is there anyone going that would be willing to man a booth there for a few hours each day?  Or at least make sure that the literature is still there?

It is too late for a refund - so if we can find someone to put out the literature and put it away, then at least we'll have something there.
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 04, 2017, 07:45:39 AM
James,

I will be giving a clinic there, and was going to offer to split time with Ira. I can make sure literature is available and put a few hours in at the table.

Jeff
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: James Patten on August 04, 2017, 09:01:25 AM
Thanks, Jeff!
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 04, 2017, 12:17:28 PM
Ira...hope you are OK.
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 05, 2017, 07:41:29 AM
James,

Will you be sending me the material, or does Ira have it?

Jeff
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: James Patten on August 05, 2017, 06:58:31 PM
I will need to send you materials.
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 06, 2017, 08:00:16 AM
What sort of materials will you be sending?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: James Patten on August 06, 2017, 04:44:45 PM
Jeff, will continue this conversation via email.  Not that there's anything private to discuss, just to keep the business stuff off the forum.
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: James Patten on September 04, 2017, 02:13:23 PM
Jeff reports that there was some interest in us, all the brochures etc are gone.
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: Ira Schreiber on September 04, 2017, 04:24:38 PM
Good going Jeff, thanks.
I finally got out of the hospital last Thursday.
I am on the mend and much better as well as mobile.
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: James Patten on September 04, 2017, 04:39:51 PM
BTW - I hear that nobody has bid for 2022 - anybody up to put one together for Maine for that year?
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: John Kokas on September 04, 2017, 05:24:54 PM
Is there a public building (aka convention center) near Wiscasset?
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: James Patten on September 04, 2017, 05:48:38 PM
Last year's was at the Augusta (ME) civic center, and I think it was one of the best possible places it could have been.  There's nothing closer that size, although Portland is a little further away.  I don't believe Lewiston/Auburn have a similar location.
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on September 04, 2017, 08:10:38 PM
Perhaps a consortium of the Maine museum's could work together to make it happen. From what I heard the Augusta convention center was a excellent site and easy to work with.

Steve
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 05, 2017, 06:50:27 AM
Could always file the paperwork to create a non-profit that exists just to host the convention. Have each of the museums own 25%. It's a way to isolate the liability and the surplus profits can be donated to the non-profit museums that hold the seats on the board.

It's an excellent marketing opportunity.
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: Joe Fox on September 05, 2017, 08:02:53 AM
I am willing to help organize, however I may not be able to help man anything during said Convention. (Frank and Lee both said they are happy to help provide pointers to anyone wishing to do it) It would be great to have it in Maine again. I think Augusta is a great location, everyone really seemed happy with accesibility everywhere. Portland did not get much for attendance this year, but that was most likely due to no steam.
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: Göran Engström on September 05, 2017, 08:08:58 AM
I agree that the Convention last year was a very good one. There was only a few things that I wanted in another way.
Because of the WWF tour we missed the Conventions Lobster Dinner. We know that and it was our choice and it was a great choice.

All the time it was a struggle between choices and you can´t get them all.
When the Convention was over I found out that I could have continued for another four days. That´s a very good credit for the 2016 NNGC.

If you could make something together that would of course take a lot of efforts. But it could also give a lot back to the four museums.

Göran
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 05, 2017, 08:29:19 AM
James,

Contact Lee Rainey regarding information about organizing a committee. He did a fantastic job and may be willing to act as a consultant.

If the museums decide to make a bid for 2022, you will need to send a group to the convention in Minneapolis/St.Paul, next year.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 05, 2017, 08:37:53 AM
Good going Jeff, thanks.
I finally got out of the hospital last Thursday.
I am on the mend and much better as well as mobile.

My pleasure, Ira. Glad to hear you are out of the hospital.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 05, 2017, 08:38:42 AM
Could always file the paperwork to create a non-profit that exists just to host the convention. Have each of the museums own 25%. It's a way to isolate the liability and the surplus profits can be donated to the non-profit museums that hold the seats on the board.

It's an excellent marketing opportunity.

That is what the committee did for last year's convention.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 05, 2017, 09:17:53 AM
I forgot to mention that, if Maine were to get the 2022 bid for the convention, a delegation would be required to go each of the conventions preceding 2022.  Those locations are:

Minneapolis/St. Paul - 2018
Sacramento - 2019
St. Louis - 2020
Hickory, NC - 2021

Jeff S.
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 05, 2017, 05:48:16 PM
Could always file the paperwork to create a non-profit that exists just to host the convention. Have each of the museums own 25%. It's a way to isolate the liability and the surplus profits can be donated to the non-profit museums that hold the seats on the board.

It's an excellent marketing opportunity.

That is what the committee did for last year's convention.

Jeff S.

So does that non profit still exist from last year's convention? Makes things a lot easier re-using the corporate entity and saves a lot of time.
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 05, 2017, 07:32:51 PM
Could always file the paperwork to create a non-profit that exists just to host the convention. Have each of the museums own 25%. It's a way to isolate the liability and the surplus profits can be donated to the non-profit museums that hold the seats on the board.

It's an excellent marketing opportunity.

That is what the committee did for last year's convention.

Jeff S.

Alex,

I can check with Lee Rainey, the committee chairman, but I have a feeling that the non-profit is no longer.

Jeff S.

So does that non profit still exist from last year's convention? Makes things a lot easier re-using the corporate entity and saves a lot of time.
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 05, 2017, 08:25:52 PM
I contacted Lee Rainey, regarding the non-profit. Here is his reply.

Yes, it still exists, and is scheduled to do so through 2019. We were advised for liability reasons to keep it alive for three years after the convention.

I'm not sure how "reusable" it is. After all, its name is "36th National Narrow Gauge Convention, Inc." though very little of the legal verbiage emphasizes the 2016 event specifically.

However, creating such a corporation is very easy in Maine and very cheap and we could explain how to do it.

Lee


Lee also has cost information for last year's NNGC, and is willing to provide it, if James' proposal goes forward. He is excited to hear that a grassroots effort has begun to bring the NNGC back to Maine.

I still have the list of modular layout that were at the convention, as well as contacts for each. I can check with the Clinics chairman and Vendors chairman to see if they still have their information.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on September 09, 2017, 12:16:44 AM
If anyone is coming to Mpls next year let me know.
We are 45 min. west.
Title: Re: 37th National Narrow Gauge Convention
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 15, 2017, 01:40:24 PM
I contacted Lee Rainey, regarding the non-profit. Here is his reply.

Yes, it still exists, and is scheduled to do so through 2019. We were advised for liability reasons to keep it alive for three years after the convention.

I'm not sure how "reusable" it is. After all, its name is "36th National Narrow Gauge Convention, Inc." though very little of the legal verbiage emphasizes the 2016 event specifically.

However, creating such a corporation is very easy in Maine and very cheap and we could explain how to do it.

Lee


Lee also has cost information for last year's NNGC, and is willing to provide it, if James' proposal goes forward. He is excited to hear that a grassroots effort has begun to bring the NNGC back to Maine.

I still have the list of modular layout that were at the convention, as well as contacts for each. I can check with the Clinics chairman and Vendors chairman to see if they still have their information.

Jeff S.

Usually the IRS paperwork for 501(c)(3) is more of a pain to file, but there is time before 2022.
It's just a matter of filing the paperwork to change the name with the DoS.

My point was to have a shared entity between the 4 museums whose sole purpose is to put bids in for the convention to be held in Maine on a regular basis. It is another way where the organizations can help each other and promote everyone's mission.