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WW&F Railway Museum Discussion => Work and Events => Topic started by: Brendan Barry on September 02, 2015, 11:46:35 PM
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Two trailer loads of ties arrived today.
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Frog parts for the three way stub switch that will feed two tracks of the car barn and the woods track.
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WOW! LIKE
Tom C.
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So what are the dates of this year's FWW??
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So what are the dates of this year's FWW??
The events calendar on the website says October 9-12.
(I hope that's correct, since I've already made my hotel reservation.)
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Columbus Day Weekend.
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Unfortunately, the excavator went down today so the North End will not be ready for track laying this fall. All work will be in Sheepscot, where we have about 500 feet of track to lay, line and tamp.
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If it turns out there's not enough work in Sheepscot to keep folks busy for the four days of the work weekend, there's always sections of the main line that could stand some attention with lifting, lining and tamping.
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Between the track inside and outside of the car barn there's over 600 feet of track to build, stone, and put into shape. Stone delivery should be real easy and fast - from outside the shed to inside it. Ties will be down by the FWW (that's the plan anyway), so all you need is to put the rail down and spike it. Still 600 feet is a lot to get done in a weekend.
If we get done early, there's always the woods track to build. Then we can start putting together our supply depot area.
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Bill has a good point.
It's way more fun to build track than it is to maintain what you have.
And if it were me, I'd hold off laying out the ties except for the first track. Once that's built, additional ties and rail can be moved into the structure on pushcars or even a flatcar. And when the second track is laid, the process can be repeated to lay the third track.
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Lining and tamping sounds good. Those spike heads are hard to hit anyway! It could also be a bit crowded if too many folks are working within the confines of the car shed. I'm looking forward to being of help/in the way somewhere!
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What about the car barn roof? Seems like that needs finishup, scaffolding taken down.
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Pual, The scaffolding is taken down only where the roof is finished. The scaffolding is nailed to the sides of the carbarn for support. The scaffolding has to be taken down in order to put on the siding. Where scaffolding is nailed to building would be in the way of installing the siding. Also, as noted elsewhere on this forum, scaffolding is needed at north end of carbarn.
dwight
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Last year, the main and the siding were laid at the TOM in one day, which was about 400 feet. We used to lay 1000 tp 1200 in a weekend, which is the reason I was trying to go north. That and the fact we can not fill the fitst wash out without track to it. So now that project is 2 years away.
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Dwight...having built a small barn and estimated for a GC and subcontractors, I understand and agree with scaffolding methods here.
But in light of the desire to complete this largely-done roof as a major weather shield, and to clear away ASAP most scaffolding to make way for site grading and wall sheathing, am still curious as to why da roof is not already complete ahead of north doors' framing?
Recent rain mud under an unfinished roof bay made that work more of a chore.
The "Roof Rats", of whom you may be a member, per pics, have done an outstanding job.
And sturdy, large-door framing is essential, no doubt.
Not being onsite also hinders my understanding of perhaps other demands unknown to me.
Please understand my impatience to see this project completed, as do probably many other WW&F world-wide boosters.
And I'm the last guy, who has helped restore soon-done ATSF 4-8-4 2926, and threaded Sced 80 steam pipe and re-wired 489 in C&TS's engine shop, to criticize volunteer labor.
Cheers.
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Hi Paul, In James work done report from yesterday, he wrote that work on door posts and door header is being done for "extra stabity of the north end". I have been on the scaffolding. The south end of carbarn is solid. The north end has movement. More movement than the builders like. They are working on north end of building before finishing the roof.
dwight
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I too wondered why the roof on the east side wasn't finished first before going onto the west side. Yesterday I found out my answer. Zack was using some 6x6 timbers to cap the door posts. He notched them, then found the first one needed additional notching to make it fit (distance at bottom <> distance at top). There was considerable work being done where the roofing would have been had it been completed, making the job much more difficult. I would never have thought of that.
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We were hoping to work on the roof Sat, BUT, not enough help. We were working on the North end of the building as well as running 2 trains after lunch. More people more work done.
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Rather than wait two years to continue from TOM, rent a small excavator for a week or whatever and do the necessary grading to the wash out.
Have the rental company deliver it to the nearest access to TOM.
We can throw down the ties and save two years time.
I am sure the worker members will be a lot happier.
Build track...the American way. One tie at a time.
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Dwight, James, Fred...
Many thanks for a most complete explanation of this past weekend's car barn construction phasing and the need for the steps taken.
It all makes complete sense now, especially in light of simultaneously running a railroad and having fewer crewpeople handy.
Good luck with timely completion. Mr. Snow is 'warming up' his machinery for duty soon.
Compared to some projects I have been on, you guys are a great to watch and communicate with. ;)
Thanks.
And another thing...Ira, your equipment rental idea makes sense.
Mike...is the Kubota badly wounded?
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Potential head gasket issue. Renting is an option, but basically running out of time for any work this year up there. Sheepscot has been the focus, and still plenty to do there to get ready for the work weekend. But what I am thinking now is still trying to get up there with the dozer and see what I can do with that. May not be for the work weekend, but still want to try.
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Mike, agreed that we have a lot to do in Sheepscot and probably that should be the priority this year. I think we should put maximum effort into getting the carbarn enclosed so that ALL our equipment is out of the weather this winter (I fear a bad one). Having walked the upper stretch a ways down, I would suggest maybe saving the dozer for a late fall trip to cut timber (open up the ROW) and skid it out before there is too much snow on the ground. Better to make that mess before finalizing the grade and it might make your job a bit easier in the spring.
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It take 5 people to do the metal roof, 6 would be better. If we have that number this coming Sat, we can get a lot done. We can't do the last few feet on each side until the staging is finished and the trim put on. I think we'll be ready for siding if, we get good weather, by the work weekend' We also have to put in one more set of purlins on the Two long sides and some purlins on both peaks.
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Looks like the nearest NAPA shop will get a visit, with a look through their gasket catalog.
My C&TS gofer trips to the one in Chama has saved the day many times; 175 miles north of Abq, our main NAPA warehouse location with overnight delivery.
With a month 'til the next annually well-attended 4-day work weekend, I'll bet Sheepscot car barn sheathing and trackage, any section house finishup, maybe Woods Track work will get done; won't need worksite rail commute to boot.
Any woods clearing on the TOM-north ROW will be icing on the old cake, with free wood thrown in. ;D
My bod is no longer up to heavy but healthy fun work.
Always best wishes, though, guys.
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No wood to be cut on the ROW for a bit. All small stuff anyhow. The larger pines will be dealt with then the tracks are near them. Plus we may have a destination for the logs by then.
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We will be working on the replica of the Whitefield section house which sits next to the upper yard spur.
Project needs:
* Apply building wrap
* Install windows and corner boards
* Build sliding door, install door rollers and set door
* Lay spruce flooring and oak rails
* Shingle the walls
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Regarding the section house, the goal is to have house wrap, windows, and trimboards in on Friday along with setting up the ledger boards for shingles. This way we will be able to jump between trackwork and shingling, taking advantage of the natural downtime in the track laying process.
It is great to think that with the completion of the track in the car barn and the section house all of the railway's rolling stock and equipment will have indoor storage.
Steve
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Just 15 days from track going in here.
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We have a surprise for work weekend.
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THAT must have been a fun unload in the driving rain.
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I bet it's a little blue tank engine.
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Now *that* would be "really useful".
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The roundhouse lead sure has gotten busy in the last two weeks!
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I still think there is a Garratt in our future. OK, a very small one.
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It's a "fixer-upper" that's for sure.
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Looks bigger than a breadbox, but about the same shape. Could it possibly be a boxcar? :)
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I bet there won't be a bean spilt until we enter the 207 next week ;)
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It's a "fixer-upper" that's for sure.
Thank goodness we have a treasurer that can help pay for materials!
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OK, I give up. What the heck are youz guys tawking about?
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Paul: see Brendan's post near the bottom of Page 2.
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The item is in the witness protection program until October 9th.
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It's also in the weather protection program, probably for a lot longer.
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Let's see...looks like it came off the flatbed behind, maybe from a sawmill, will be involved with FWW next week.
I GOT IT!...a prefab bar and grill!! ;D
OR
ding ding ding...sheathing lumber for the car barn!
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Here's a hint of what it is:
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I still think it's a boxcar. :)
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It's a puppet show !!
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Good old fashioned two holer for Alna Center?
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Thomas the Tank Engine do-it-yourself kit?
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It's a chicken coop on wheels! :D
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Best I can tell from the picture is its not lumber for the car barn. Could it possibly be a long lost /newly acquired WW&F car or sections of one?
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Work Weekend Projects, Priorities and Foreman
Main effort: car barn and north yard tracks
By general priority:
1. Retrieve 50 lb rail- Dana
2. Cut ties- Fred
3. Survey/ Lay out woods track curve- Rick
4. Lay out switch ties and frogs- Rick and Jason
5. Build Curve- Dana
6. Build barn track 1 (50 lb, construct north to south)- Dana
7. Build barn tracks 2&3 (33 lb, construct south to north)- Dana
8. Align woods track curve- Rick
9. Build switches- Rick and Jason
10. Build woods track- Dana
Other projects:
11. Main line track joint repair- Bill Baskerville
12. No 9 tank install- Wayne (if he says yes!)
13. No 9 cab- Marcel
14. Other no 9 stuff- Jason
15. Car barn siding- Zack
16. Whitefield section house- Steve Piwowarski
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The track plan has been revised to two conventional switches, built along the curve into the woods track. The layout plan prevents the switch's pre construction, hence the above order of operations. The switches will be laid out as point switches, but built as stubs for now.
Maybe we can get a pic of the new layout posted...
Questions welcome!
Jason
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Feel free to speak up (Mike, anyone) if my list missed anything. We'll revise the big list I posted rather than make addenda...
Jason
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New track plan for the car barn leads and Woods track in the North Yard.
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I hope someone converts that to feet. ;D
I think you have it covered. All under track drains are in. Grading is close enough. May still be a puddle on the south west side, too much in the way to finish the ditch across the south side of the building.
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Just thought of...if there is a slow moment for the track construction, the low spot on the track that is there now could be lifted and hand tamped. Gravel at AC that could be used?
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Possible, certainly.
I see rain is forecast for Friday afternoon. Good thing there's track to build inside a building...
Jason
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As I understand it, the planned tri-stub-switch trackage geometry needs more room , so two narrower point switches following each other as shown will work.
Looks like you guys are ready to rip. Good luck.
Please don't spare the pics. TMTM!
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It's the other way around. The two switch arrangement requires a gentler woods track curve and takes more room. The 3- way stub crams the converging tracks into one place and takes less room. That's why 3- ways were used.
We weren't looking to build another 3-way; one's enough. They take an extra frog and a special throwing arrangement and stand. We only chose it because a conventional ladder track to feed the car barn was simply not going to fit (with reasonable curves).
We recently reevaluated and determined that we have enough width of the ladder track carries a coninuous curve- laying the two switches along the curve and letting the divergent track carry whatever curve it does. They end up being neither left, right, or evenly split angle switches but rather something in between. Reality is, in fact, it doesn't matter for switch layout- there's a datum track (woods track on a curve), and a diverging track (diverging to the left for the car barn).
The curving ladder isn't ideal- but it's better than a 3-way. This isn't high traffic- and its in keeping with Maine narrow gauge practice. Amongst other examples, take a look at the 3 way in Phillips yard on the original Sandy River RR; all 3 tracks curve through the switch.
See ya
Jason
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If there is time I suggest it would be prudent to fix a few dips in the mainline;
1. A few rail lengths north of Jayne's Way (#10 bounces around a bit, much fun but gets in the way of whistle artistry)
2. North of phantom crossing the usual slide of the ballast to the east
3, There's one south of Rosewood (sp?) that isn't too bad but definitely there
4. south of Sutters in the curve the joints seem low and 10 kind of bangs around them heading south
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Jason...thanks for the explanation. The track chart shows the woods track now on a smooth, constant radius curve, no doubt easier to lay out and build.
Building the two "new" switches and aligning with barn spurs 2 and 3 will be challenge enough.
Brings back memories of my summer survey crew job on I-40 through Abq years ago.
Hope the wx cooperates.
BTW...during Abq's Balloon Fiesta going on this week, there is a B-17 and a B-29 flying around over the city, no doubt giving WW2 vets and touristers thrill rides.
The '17 is the louder of the two.
We don't usually see/hear big multi-engine prop planes around here, except for NMANG C-130s from Kirtland AFB mostly on Tuesday qual flights.
Hope the Vermonter derailment doesn't interfere with arriving WWF workers.
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Weather depending, I would like to try to cut up enough ties for the work weekend. this year's piles are easier to cut the last year because there already stacked so it's going three times as fast. I would estimate that was three people we could have the ones we need cut in a matter of 2 or 3 hours.
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About a dozen people started the FWW today (a day early) working on a number of projects including -
* Upper yard switch frog construction.
* Ties loaded and moved into the car shed. Some were removed from storage across from the water tank opening up that area.
* Stone added to parts of the inside and around the doors of the car shed.
* Track layout planning for the upper yard.
* Survey team setting center line stakes for the woods track and car shed lead tracks.
* Temporary crossing built on the spur just north of the car shed.
* Lumber brought inside the car shed for building the upper wall purlins.
* Food shopping and site prep for feeding everyone the next 4 days.
* Machine shop cleaned in preparation for work on #9.
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I am bringing a new volunteer Saturday. He is wanting to lay track. I hope you guys leave some for us.
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Some photos from today:
First train in the car barn:
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Late afternoon, after the east wall went up:
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Shingle crew on the Whitefield Section House:
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The results of Mike's landscaping:
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Ok, so what the heck WAS behind the blank-spot in that photo 4 pages back?
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Pete...work is going so fast that the internet can't keep up!
Onward, WW&Fers! (WOOFers?)
Really appreciate the pics.
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Well, yeah, but....
...someone should have TOLD us by now!
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See my first photo in the series above - you can see a blue-tarped thing in the far middleground. That's what the blanked-out space was.
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The mystery object is indeed a boxcar -- B&SR No. 67, acquired from the Maine Narrow Gauge Museum.
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The Whitefield section house is complete except for the sliding door, flooring (both waiting for lumber) and the handcar ramp which is waiting for the spur track to be raised to correct level. Oak rails have been cut and will be installed in the floor when the spruce flooring arrives.
The upper yard is mostly in place although more switch work remains. The second bay track is connected but not completely in service due to lack of joint bars inside the building. The shop crew may make new ones this week. Bay 3 is not in service yet and the woods track has not been built past the bay 3 switch. Ties have been laid out for about 60' so rail could be set if we have time and crew in the next few weekends.
Volunteers that signed in today totaled 35.
A big thank you to everyone who helped whether for a few hours or 4+ days. Much was accomplished with larger projects such as locomotive #9, the car shed and section house along with a number of smaller jobs. It was enjoyable seeing many long time friends as well as meeting new volunteers. We look forward to seeing you around Sheepscot again soon!
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Stewart,
I'll see your "thank you" and raise you! I was totally blown away by the enthusiastic, smiling, hard-working volunteers I saw all over Sheepscot! It was heartening to see all the young volunteers. I hope to see all of them again and soon. The amount of work done is nothing less than amazing. Thank you one and all!
Dave
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Well put Dave. The great thing about the Fall Work Weekend is that there are projects to fit whatever interest someone has. The FWW started Columbus Day weekend 1997 with track work and the tradition continued with construction of the upper yard. It's always a pleasure working with our track foreman Dana
Wigwam Deering, and this year didn't disappoint. With Dana's guidance, setting ties and rail, joining, spiking and lining the new track went well. Seeing the first train travel over parts of the new yard was exciting!
Meanwhile, the sound of hammers rang from two directions. There was much progress on the car shed with both sides getting enclosed and the section house with all the walls receiving corner boards and shingles.
Top that off with #9 having the tank and cab installed and there is much to be proud of.
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And even one bay on the south end of the car barn was sheathed by Brendan and Ed in the late afternoon.
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I concur with all the comments about the recent work weekend. I must say, from my perspective, it was probably the most productive and exciting that I've attended. I spent most of my time working on No. 9, both preparing for and participating in mating the cab and tank to the engine, though I did help out on a couple of other projects from time to time. As always, the cooperation and companionability among the volunteers working on the various projects was great to see. Kudoes as well to the kitchen crew who kept us all well fed.
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Work weekend pictures in chronological order from Friday to Monday. Number 9 work weekend pictures will be in the number 9 thread.
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Folks,
What a wonderful photo replay of the Fall Work Weekend! I could almost hear the spike mauls at work. That is real narrow gauge construction; with no tie plates. and about the lightest rail I have ever seen outside of an amusement park.
What is it about 30 pounds per yard? Where did you find such small size rails?
Thanks for all the great work! Again!
Ted Miles
WW&F Ry Museum Life Member
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Hi Ted,
The light stuff is original 25-pound rail from the Kennebec Central RR.
Here are the markings on it. It was rolled in 1890 by the Pennsylvania Steel Co. (I believe the "45" would be the heat number for that year -- it's certainly not the weight!)
(http://ngdiscussion.net/phorum/file.php?1,file=32865)