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WW&F Railway Museum Discussion => Museum Discussion => Topic started by: Ed Lecuyer on December 13, 2008, 04:12:17 PM
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ETSRRCo wrote:
I know in the past that MNG has loaned the services of the MRR #3 to the museum and is currently loaning it to the SR&RL. My question is would it be possible and would there be any interest in having B&SR #7 visit the museum? Would the tracks (more so the bridge) be able to handle a locomotive of that size? It would be nice to give it a place to run for a little while and it would give us an idea of what the 11 will be like to the railroad. Just a thought. I’m just wishing the 7 could get out and stretch her legs.
(http://www.hon30.org/gallery/source/bh-7.jpg)
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Eric Bolton
East Tigard & Southern Railroad Co 1889-1958
Joe Fox replied:
I think it would be cool if we could get nubmer 7 up for the Annual Picnic, however, that is just a dream. When #9 is ready to be fired up, then we can run the two steam engines, and have both steam engines trade on and off. I believe that #7 isn't heavy enough to bother the track, since it once ran on 56 pound rail in Bridgton.
Joe
James Patten replied:
I believe B&SR #7 would be limited to the main line for the time being, as I think the switch points on all but the south Sheepscot runaround switch and the ones at Alna Center are too short for its wheelbase. This, of course, may change someday, but not for the forseeable future.
Ira Schreiber replied:
About 15 years ago, a friend of mine purchased an ex-Rock Island speeder.
This was the absolutely cheapest speeder I have ever seen.
It was built of light weight tubing and angle and powered by a B&S one lunger with a centrifical clutch.
Since I had just gotten the contract to build a 24" Zoo railroad in Lincoln,NE, I borrowed it and narrowed it to 24" by making new outriggers.
Jim has just informed me that he will make it available to me for the WW&F.
I can bring it with me when I return next spring.
The beauty is that one person can LIFT it off the tracks.
Ira
Jason M Lamontagne replied:
I really don't mean to be negative, but I'm not sure that a speeder would really fit in all that well. Trying to be focused on 1900-1925 WW&F railroading, the model T which Leon Weeks is building for us will fit in quite well. I'm afraid a speeder would be an out-of-period distraction for us. While it may be fun, I'm afraid that it would compromise our focus somewhat.
As for visiting locomotives, we want to be careful not to do anything which may detract from our already focused efforts, including restoring No 9 and building a No 11 after WW&F 7.
As I say, I don't mean to be negative- keep the ideas flowing!
see ya
Jason
sgprailfan replied:
I think it is a great Idea! Barrow her. just repaint the bunker WW&F it will be close to ww&f #7.
Joe Fox replied:
That's what I was thinking also, was repainting it just for the event, but I am sure that even if we did borrow the engine, that MNG wouldn't let us repaint the engine. As James has said, the engine will probably not fit into the yard, so would have to be on the main line the entire event.
Joe
John McNamara replied:
Speaking of B&SR #7, Mike Moulison says in the MNG thread,
We need something like $25,000 to do the required FRA work on 7.
Hopefully, they can get some money together to do this.
Joe Fox replied:
John,
That is why this discussion got brought up, because MNG can't afford to spend $25,000 on any of the locomotives right now, because they don't have the money. However, #7 could come up to the museum and run because we aren't involved with the FRA. That is why #3 is in Phillips, is because that engine needs to have work done to it in order to meet FRA requirements.
Joe
Josh Botting replied:
Why would we want to bring the #7 in??? I would think we should spend out time and effort on getting #9 up and running. I think this would take away from this project. Also what would we do with an additional LOCO?
Of course there are issues, if the loco needs work to be FRA acceptable, than there may be issues with opperating it which we probally do not want to be laible for. While the regs. may seem excessive, and pointless, most exist for a reason.
Besides, who knows if the trestle is rated for that kind of a load?
John McNamara replied:
I think the idea would be a short visit similar to the visit by Monson 3 at a couple of our annual picnics, back before we had steam. While I doubt that such a short term visit would be a great strain on 9-oriented resources, I agree that there are a number of substantial issues that would have to be dealt with.
Josh Botting replied:
I was under the impression that #3 was living in Philips these days?
James Patten replied:
Yes Monson #3 currently is in Phillips.
While it would be interesting to bring in B&SR #7, it's not likely MNG would get much financial benefit from it, unless it were to highlight the fact that it cannot run there because of required FRA work but is OK to run elsewhere. When #3 came to visit we gave them some money as a gift to show our appreciation, but it didn't make them rich.
Jason M Lamontagne replied:
Sorry guys, but I'm afraid that focusing on getting Bridgton 7 to Sheepscot is a very presumptuous idea. To openly discuss obtaining a prized possession of MNG's isn't very fair to their organization.
The locomotive, to my understanding, does require some work and would be a significant drain on our resources and energy. It absolutely shouldn't happen before No 9 operates- and if it happened afterward, that is essentially declaring that it is more important than our plans to build a No 11.
As for the similarity, WW&F 7 and B&H 7 were similar, indeed. However, Bridgton 7 is a full 25% heavier than Wiscasset 7. The Wiscasset road at no point in time needed an engine that big. This additional size also means that B&H 7 would be hard on our 33 pound rail (on the main especially) and couldn't access our yard.
I am not wholeheartedly opposed to the engine visiting someday- perhaps even with us performing some work on the engine- but these thoughts should, in my opinion, be discussed with due respect to the owners, and to our own focused goals and aspirations. I truly value our focus on the WW&F.
see ya
Jason
Joe Fox replied:
If, and when we should ever decide to have a visiting locomotive, how much do you think it would cost to have it at the museum for a month or so, and transportation?
Joe
James Patten replied:
Costs of having a locomotive visit for a month would depend on the locomotive, and where it was from. Let's assume we're talking a steam locomotive, since there's no reason we'd want a diesel to visit.
We'd have to insure it ourselves, which would mean a higher premium (but probably not too bad for just one month).
If the loco is from MNG then they have a history of donating the transportation. However from elsewhere there's no such guarantee and transportation gets quite expensive. It would cost us at least $2000 per truckload to transport a truckload of rail from Kovalchick in PA, which is on the west end of PA, or about 700 miles. A locomotive might weigh more than that and require special permits, etc etc.
ETSRRCo replied:
Hey I didnt mean take it from them or even be there more then a month. I was figuring just a weekend kind of like what they did at Strong. I wasnt even real serious about it. I would much rather see the 9 and the 11. It just upsets me to have such a wonderful machine sit and at no time did i mean any disrespect to MNG! I am happy they gave all that history a home.
-Eric
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Eric Bolton
East Tigard & Southern Railroad Co 1889-1958
Josh Botting replied:
I agree with Jason, once we have #9 why would we want a larger engine. We don't have enough stock to even test the engine out do we.....
Joe Fox replied:
I see. I was just curious that's all.
Joe
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WOW! Thats now my favorite photo of #7! It almost makes it look it that #7 is runing on the WW&F mainline. Plus the tankcar looks cool in black color! :o :) :D ;D