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Title: World status of two-foot gauge Baldwin(ish) locomotives
Post by: Glenn Christensen on April 02, 2014, 12:52:33 PM

Hi,

I was just doing a little thinking and thought I'd see if anyone can add to this list:

Number of currently operational two-foot gauge Baldwin locomotives in the world today:

I can think of 4 operational locos, 3 to 5 more under repair, and 3 being constructed new. 
They are:

Brecon Mountain Rwy (UK) - 1 operational (4-6-2), 1 under repair (2-6-2), two being constructed new (2-4-4RT and 2-6-2)
Leighton Buzzard Rwy (UK) - 1 operational (4-6-0T)
DHR (India) - 1 operational (0-4-0T)
Dreamwold (Aus) - 1 operational (4-6-0T)
WHR (UK) - 1 under repair (4-6-0T)
Maine Narrow Gauge (US) - 1 under repair (2-4-4RT)
WW&F (US) - 1 being constructed new (2-4-4RT)

Any others?  EFPP (Brazil) 2-4-0 under repair?, Ashover (UK) 4-6-0T under repair?)


Best Regards,
Glenn

Title: Re: World status of two-foot gauge Baldwin(ish) locomotives
Post by: Philip Marshall on April 02, 2014, 08:07:52 PM

To the "under repair/restoration" list, I think we should include S.D. Warren No. 2 (0-4-0T) at Boothbay.

There is also this mysterious little Baldwin 0-4-0T in New Jersey, which I understand has recently been rescued and may (or may not) be under restoration. It appears to be similar to the S. D. Warren engines:

http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=27130


The steamlocomotive.info site lists several other two-foot gauge Baldwins around the world as "operational", for example South African Railways No. 62 (4-6-2, Baldwin C/N 42634, 1916) in Randfontein, SA, but I don't know how current this information may be. (B&SR No. 8 at MNGRR is also listed as "operational", for what it's worth.)

http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=16552I

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Class_NG10_4-6-2

Does anyone know the current status of this beautiful engine? It appears quite similar to the 4-6-2 at Brecon Mountain (which I know is not ex-SAR), and strongly resembles SR&RL No. 23.

Title: Re: World status of two-foot gauge Baldwin(ish) locomotives
Post by: Philip Marshall on April 02, 2014, 08:46:58 PM

Quote from: Philip Marshall on April 02, 2014, 08:07:52 PM

The steamlocomotive.info site lists several other two-foot gauge Baldwins around the world as "operational", for example South African Railways No. 62 (4-6-2, Baldwin C/N 42634, 1916) in Randfontein, SA, but I don't know how current this information may be. (B&SR No. 8 at MNGRR is also listed as "operational", for what it's worth.)

http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=16552I

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Class_NG10_4-6-2

Does anyone know the current status of this beautiful engine? It appears quite similar to the 4-6-2 at Brecon Mountain (which I know is not ex-SAR), and strongly resembles SR&RL No. 23.

I see now that the ex-SAR NG10 4-6-2s have already been discussed here: http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php?topic=1538.0

Title: Re: World status of two-foot gauge Baldwin(ish) locomotives
Post by: Glenn Christensen on April 02, 2014, 09:54:58 PM

Thanks Phil!  Here's what I have on these locos.

Quote from: Philip Marshall on April 02, 2014, 08:07:52 PM

To the "under repair/restoration" list, I think we should include S.D. Warren No. 2 (0-4-0T) at Boothbay.
< Yup, I forgot #2.  That has to be included in the list.>

There is also this mysterious little Baldwin 0-4-0T in New Jersey ...
< A new one on me.  Looks like she's in pretty tough shape.  Anyone know any more? >

The steamlocomotive.info site lists several other two-foot gauge Baldwins around the world as "operational", for example South African Railways No. 62 (4-6-2, Baldwin C/N 42634, 1916) in Randfontein, SA, but I don't know how current this information may be.
< The latest I have heard, no status changes on #62, she seems to be consigned to static display for now. >

B&SR No. 8 at MNGRR is also listed as "operational", for what it's worth.
< She is not serviceable or under repair as of this writing. >

Best Regards,
Glenn

Title: Re: World status of two-foot gauge Baldwin(ish) locomotives
Post by: Philip Marshall on April 02, 2014, 10:16:59 PM

Quote from: Glenn Christensen on April 02, 2014, 09:54:58 PM

B&SR No. 8 at MNGRR is also listed as "operational", for what it's worth.
< She is not serviceable or under repair as of this writing. >

Exactly, which is why the "operational" status of other engines on steamlocomotive.info shouldn't be taken as fact. The information may be long out of date, or even entirely incorrect.

Title: Re: World status of two-foot gauge Baldwin(ish) locomotives
Post by: Philip Marshall on April 02, 2014, 11:11:47 PM

Some background on the engine in New Jersey:

http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30716

http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30717&hilit=baldwin+new+jersey

It's in very rough shape, so I appear to have jumped the gun a bit by implying it might be restored, but it does exist.

Title: Re: World status of two-foot gauge Baldwin(ish) locomotives
Post by: Glenn Christensen on April 03, 2014, 08:45:32 AM

Thanks Phil!

Your information is good to know.


Best Regards,
Glenn

Title: Re: World status of two-foot gauge Baldwin(ish) locomotives
Post by: Mike Fox on April 03, 2014, 07:11:13 PM

Tough shape is being generous when describing that. Wow. To even cosmetically restore it will be something. Asbestos must still be in the jacket if it sat for that long

Title: Re: World status of two-foot gauge Baldwin(ish) locomotives
Post by: John L Dobson on July 04, 2014, 04:33:54 PM

Quote from: Glenn Christensen on April 02, 2014, 12:52:33 PM

I can think of 4 operational locos, 3 to 5 more under repair, and 3 being constructed new. 
They are:

Brecon Mountain Rwy (UK) - 1 operational (4-6-2), 1 under repair (2-6-2), two being constructed new (2-4-4RT and 2-6-2)
Leighton Buzzard Rwy (UK) - 1 operational (4-6-0T)
DHR (India) - 1 operational (0-4-0T)
Dreamwold (Aus) - 1 operational (4-6-0T)
WHR (UK) - 1 under repair (4-6-0T)
Maine Narrow Gauge (US) - 1 under repair (2-4-4RT)
WW&F (US) - 1 being constructed new (2-4-4RT)

Any others?  EFPP (Brazil) 2-4-0 under repair?, Ashover (UK) 4-6-0T under repair?)


Best Regards,
Glenn

The Lynton & Barnstaple Railway in UK is building a replica of Lyn, the Baldwin 2-4-2T built for the original company in 1898 that became Southern Railway No.762. It is currently expected to be finished in 2015.

Title: Re: World status of two-foot gauge Baldwin(ish) locomotives
Post by: Glenn Christensen on July 04, 2014, 10:23:48 PM

My bad!  I left that one off,

Thanks John!


Best Regards,
Glenn

Title: Re: World status of two-foot gauge Baldwin(ish) locomotives
Post by: John L Dobson on July 05, 2014, 06:59:15 AM

If you aren't restricting yourself to steam locomotives, then another addition would be Moelwyn, the WW1 petrol locomotive bought by the Ffestiniog in the 1920s. Originally an 0-4-0 it's now a 2-4-0 diesel, with a Gardner 4LK engine. It retains its original superstructure and Baldwin gearbox, running gear, etc. The front bogie was originally made in 1957 from half of a Krupp Feldbahn wagon bogie, and bits of angle iron from a scrapped slate wagon. It's since been rebuilt using bits from a WW1 Hudson type 'D' bogie wagon.

The Moelwyn name is also something of an Anglo-Welsh pun on Baldwin. It's the name of a local mountain, but in Welsh 'wyn' means bald.

Title: Re: World status of two-foot gauge Baldwin(ish) locomotives
Post by: Philip Marshall on July 05, 2014, 04:38:18 PM

Quote from: John L Dobson on July 05, 2014, 06:59:15 AM

The Moelwyn name is also something of an Anglo-Welsh pun on Baldwin. It's the name of a local mountain, but in Welsh 'wyn' means bald.

How funny! The Welsh tend to have a very playful sense of humor.

I think it's the "moel" part that means bald, however. My mother's maiden name was Moylan, which in Irish Gaelic (a language closely related to Welsh) also means bald.

-Philip Marshall

Title: Re: World status of two-foot gauge Baldwin(ish) locomotives
Post by: John L Dobson on July 06, 2014, 11:05:11 AM

Quote from: Philip Marshall on July 05, 2014, 04:38:18 PM

Quote from: John L Dobson on July 05, 2014, 06:59:15 AM

The Moelwyn name is also something of an Anglo-Welsh pun on Baldwin. It's the name of a local mountain, but in Welsh 'wyn' means bald.

How funny! The Welsh tend to have a very playful sense of humor.

I think it's the "moel" part that means bald, however. My mother's maiden name was Moylan, which in Irish Gaelic (a language closely related to Welsh) also means bald.

-Philip Marshall

You are quite correct. I should have checked with my son, who is learning Welsh.

Moel = bare hill
wyn = white

Title: Re: World status of two-foot gauge Baldwin(ish) locomotives
Post by: Thor Windbergs on July 10, 2014, 08:53:30 AM

Quote from: Glenn Christensen on April 02, 2014, 12:52:33 PM

Hi,

I was just doing a little thinking and thought I'd see if anyone can add to this list:

Number of currently operational two-foot gauge Baldwin locomotives in the world today:

I can think of 4 operational locos, 3 to 5 more under repair, and 3 being constructed new.  
They are:

Brecon Mountain Rwy (UK) - 1 operational (4-6-2), 1 under repair (2-6-2), two being constructed new (2-4-4RT and 2-6-2)
Leighton Buzzard Rwy (UK) - 1 operational (4-6-0T)
DHR (India) - 1 operational (0-4-0T)
Dreamwold (Aus) - 1 operational (4-6-0T)
WHR (UK) - 1 under repair (4-6-0T)
Maine Narrow Gauge (US) - 1 under repair (2-4-4RT)
WW&F (US) - 1 being constructed new (2-4-4RT)

Any others?  EFPP (Brazil) 2-4-0 under repair?, Ashover (UK) 4-6-0T under repair?)


Best Regards,
Glenn

In Germany at the Frankfurter Field Railway Museum we have an original Baldwin 50hp 0-4-0 Gas mechanical entering restoration this year....

EFPP (Brazil) has no Baldwin near restoration, if the Group ever gets moving again and finances they would probably restore the No.10 2-6-2T. Most are at collection sites of Km10.5 Natura, Km5.5 Corredor or Km1 Perus Cement Plant, one is in the original city/railroad Dumont where it came and I know of 2 more 0-6-2ST in good condition private as well as probably 3 converted from 60cm to 1m...where do you draw the line. EFOM has lots of 76cm 2ft6 Baldwins with 2-3 operational in San Joa do Rei.

Steam Locomotives of the EFPP & CBCPP - 60cm gauge                                      No   AAR   Original   Builder   Bldr. #   Yr. Blt.   Cylinder   Driver Dia.   Source   arrival EFPP   Original Name   Location/Condition 2011                                   1   062ST   062ST   BLW   14963   07-1896   9"x16"   33"   Cantareira Nr.6   1925   "Theodoro Carvalho"    2   260ST+T      BLW   ?   ?            1925   "Florindo Beneducce"    10   262T+T   262T   BLW   40675   09-1913   12"x16"   33"   Paulista-Nr.911   1960       11   260   060   BLW   11892   05-1891   13"x18"   36"   Ramal Dumont No 3   1942       12   260   060   BLW   14275   04-1895   11"x18"   36"   Ceramica SaoCarlense   1942   "Procopio"   Dumont-SP - 13   260   060   BLW   18897   04-1901   11"x18"   36"   Ramal Dumont No 5   1942       14   262T+T   262T   BLW   40674   09-1913   12"x16"   33"   Paulista-Nr.910   1960       15   260   262T   BLW   11980   06-1891   12"x16"   33"   R.F.Campineiro. Nº2   1961   "Campinas"    16   460   460   BLW   32694   02-1908   12"x16"   33"    Dourado No 5   1961      Perus 17   240   240   BLW   37399   12-1911   11"x16"   33"   Cantareira Nr.2-2   1961

Title: Re: World status of two-foot gauge Baldwin(ish) locomotives
Post by: Glenn Christensen on July 10, 2014, 11:24:29 AM

Hi Thor!

Thanks for the updated status and loco spec EFPP information.  And thanks too, for all your dedicated work in 2' railroad preservation.


Best Regards,
Glenn