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WW&F Railway Museum Discussion => Museum Discussion => Topic started by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on May 01, 2013, 09:06:46 PM
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A few years ago, Pleasure Island & Western RR #5 operated on the WW&F for a brief period in celebration of its Massachusetts heritage.
Once WW&F #9 becomes operational, will we be treated to a brief appearance of SR&RL #6? I think that lots of Two Footer fans would love to see and photograph that. I certainly would.
Stretching it a bit, perhaps even Sandy River RR #5 might appear?
What say the powers that be?
Richard
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I wouldn't put it past us to do that. It may need to be approved by the owner, Dale King (the lease agreement specifies that it appear as it did on the WW&F).
2016 is the 125th anniversary of it's construction.
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2016 is also when the National Narrow Gauge Convention returns to Maine.
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At least the number plate would be easy -- just turn it upside down! ;D
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Since I'm at work, with no access to any of my books...
Is there a significant difference in the locomotive's appearance (cab, headlight, etc.) between its Sandy River #6 appearance and how it looked on KC and WW&F?
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I wouldn't put it past us to do that. It may need to be approved by the owner, Dale King (the lease agreement specifies that it appear as it did on the WW&F).
2016 is the 125th anniversary of it's construction.
Didn't former owner Alice Ramsdell like it presented as SRRR 5 or SR&RL 6 while she had it?
Also if the temporary renumbering is approved, I'm sure that funds could be raised to cover the costs and I'll be in on that!
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What about having thin magnents made as decals so to speak with the different lettering? I have seen other railroads do this and it is hard to tell it is a magnent when done correctly.
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There also is a thin, self-stick vinyl material which easily can be peeled off when the event is over. It can be painted, silk screened, etc. with any wording desired. It snuggles over rivets, etc. quite nicely.
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The self sticking stuff can be pricey and would need to be purchased each time. Conway was given a decal like that to be used for a steam in the snow event a few years ago, and when trying to peel it off it was discovered it wasnt going to come off easily. So it is still currently lettered in the CN livery.
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Usually you can heat the material with a hair dryer or something similar to get it to "relax" and peel off. Movie people use it to cover existing names with something else.
As far as "pricey", how many times are you going to need it? Once?
I used to hand letter the Wolfeboro RR locomotive #250. That's a lot of work. Especially when owner Don Hallock had a fixation on spelling it "Wolfeborough". By the time you got done with the name on both sides of the tender, the numbers under the cab windows and on the rear of the tender. you had had enough.
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I think that the thin style magnents would be best because then tye museum could re use them as often as they wanted with only having the one time price. And for one event the engine could be re lettered in a matter of minutes. And yes, usually decals come off fairly easy, but in the cades I have seen, they often get stuck and become more permanent.
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Well, some of the vinyls are inexpensive. Take these trucks for example (for the record, I've had family connections to Al's Oil for years); The vinyls start wearing out relatively quickly on the vans because it's lightweight (it starts peeling within two months in some cases). The oil trucks get a heavier duty graphic applied, and those ones last for years. I just can't remember what material is used on the vans at the moment...
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Okay all.
With over 23 years in the sign business, the ONLY product I would recommend is 3M Scotchcal or equals. This is heavy duty, UV resistant and can be removed with a heat gun.
If the use is only one time, then a magnetic based cheap vinyl is the way to go.
Ira Schreiber
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When #9 was SRRR #5 she had a box head light. In the early years as SR&RL #6 she had the rounded oil head light with the side panels (where the locomotive's number could be set). The later years as #6 saw her with the electric Maine Central style light. This light remained on the engine when she went to the KC and later, the WW&F.
The head light depends on what road name and number you want as well as the year to be replicated. The easiest thing would be to have the loco as SR&RL #6 in the electric era as that is how the engine will be set up with the turbine and MEC style head light.
Stewart
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I'll go along with Stewart's idea. That's the way I'd prefer to see it depicted.
Along with any color photos taken, we'd want to see some in "black and white", to give it a real period look. No modern stuff in the background would also be nice.
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Cool thing about using magnets is you could display them in the Gift Shop when not in use for all to see. ;)
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And while you're making magnets, why not a Kennebec Central version as well? That would be something few have seen!
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Folks,
The thing to do if you want to show a SR & RL locomotive is to do it with the Sandy River Railroad Museum. That way they could share the costs of the paint, signs and vinyl etc.
And if you really want to go all the way; you can get Bickford Transportation to take he up to Phillips for "old home days" and run her on home rails. i wonder how many locomotives have run on four railways?
Ted Miles, WW&F Member
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And if you really want to go all the way; you can get Bickford Transportation to take he up to Phillips for "old home days" and run her on home rails. i wonder how many locomotives have run on four railways?
There's a lot of engines that were run on at least 3 just in Maine service
3's been around the block (and the country for that matter).
Revenue service:
Monson
Edaville
Pleasure Island
Freedomland
Maine Narrow Gauge (GTR right of way)
Sandy River (P&R right of way)
WW&F
Non revenue operations:
Portland Termial (down Commercial St on snap track)
Monson
Billerica & Bedford
Long Beach (don't think was steamed in CA)
Various parades in Edaville times (sometimes steamed on the back of the flatbed)
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Bill, you can now add the WW&F to the list of revenue runs for #3..
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Back in the day though, #9 was the only engine to travel on 3 different railroads and carry 4 different road names. Many engines were bought and sold from other railroads, however usually only seeing two different lines.
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Bill, you can now add the WW&F to the list of revenue runs for #3..
I swear I'd forget my head if it wasn't attached. I only spent the last two weekends running with you guys.
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I think if we exclude the preservation era (everything post-1943) then No. 9 is the clear winner in terms of number of railroads operated on. Runners-up would probably include WW&F No. 8 (which was also B&SR No. 3 and KCRR No. 3), and B&B 'Puck' which carried four different road numbers on the SRRR, P&R, and SR&RL, and also operated briefly on the B&SR.
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The Railroad Museum of New England also hosted M R R #3 back on September 21-22, 2002. It was a display-only visit and she remained on the trailer. This was the weekend following it visit and operation at Bedford, MA to commemorate the 125th anniversary of the Billerica & Bedford, America's first 2-footer.
The loco certainly looks much better today than in 2002 thanks to the recent overhaul that brought it back to a more realistic Monson-era appearance.