Here are some of my drawings for the project. These are not the best quality pictures. I took them with a camera phone.Nice drawning of the future WW&F #11! Do anyone have any photos of BS&R #7 dressed up in WW&F #11 lettering by using photo-shop?
Sorry I like to honor history more then the present.
Are you going to use the traditional way of fitting the tires by a gas-fired ring to heat it up then install?
sightons (spelling, John M.?)
Hmmm, somewhere Murphy and Smoot are smiling...sightons (spelling, John M.?)
from: http://tmrc.mit.edu/dictionary.html
Psiton
elementary particle carrying the sinister force. These particles emerge from the eyes of spectators, and even remote and future viewers (therefore, the number of psitons out of a video camera can be huge!). Since psitons carry the sinister force, then:
The probability of success of an action/demonstration is inversely proportional to the number of psitons falling on it.
-John
AFIK The bearings are going to be brass. they are lubricated with a purple grease that is sqeazed down from a grease cup over the bearing. Underneath the bearing is a grease cellar which helps lubricate the axle as well by catching the gease that rolls out of the bearing. It's essentially the same way the rods get thier grease, with the little cup on top that you turn untill the grease oozes out the side oof the brearing. At least thats the way #4 works.
How much is in that fund at present?
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I have a thought Bernie: Would it be possible on one of the larger events that the museum holds to have a small "casting pour" demo? I think it could tie in what is being done to make the parts for #11 on a smaller scale and educate people on how the process is done. For myself I would love to learn how to draw, engineer and make patterns and molds.
Steam and sand domes. I believe the outer shell of both are cast.YES! Ty Joe.
While I can't help you with a two-foot gauge Heisler, here's a photo of a sweet two-foot gauge 12-ton Shay.It would be neat if the owner of that little Shay would follow the example set by the owner of Eureka, and brought that engine here to Maine to play!
While there never was a four cylinder Heisler, the British firm Simplex built at least one V-4 steam loco for sugar plantation service in the Pacific. I've seen a photo but can't seem to locate it right now.
The only Heisler built for 24" gauge was shop number 1336 for the Laguna Corporation at Campeche, Mexico. It weighed 22 tons and had disc cranks with outside frame trucks. A rather nifty looking locomotive. This information is from the Heisler Locomotive book by Ben Kline.
Bernie
So... No chance of finding one and re-purposing some parts for No. 11. Well, unless you find one that's far larger then one of the Henschel 0-4-0s that could provide some components to work with (motion parts, wheels, side rods, etc.)...Dylan, the technology between the German Industrial locomotives (which are basically pieces of contractor's equipment similar to a bull dozer) and American mainline narrow gauge locomotives is just too great. The little German locomotives have plate frames as opposed to the much heavier American bar frames. The German locomotives have cylinders bolted to the frames, where the American locomotives use a split cylinder/smoke box saddle unit casting.
Has anyone thought of enlisting local high school wood shops to make patterns of the more "simple" parts?I could had done that 2 years ago while I was still in high school because I my school did had a wood shop and I was in that class for 2 years and I could had easily done you guys a favor but that was two years ago and my Grandpa's wood shop does not have the correct tools to make parts you need. :o :( :-\
Stephen,Hi Bernie, how did the surface finish come on the lost foam castings? I would think it would be very close to a lost wax process and so give a fine grained surface. What I am curious about is how they ram up the molds. I wouldn't think they could use a hydraulic ram as that amount of pressure would crush the foam.
Again thanx, many times over for posting my photos.
Bernie
I've been learning how to model number 11's cylinder/saddle casting in TurboCad using the detailed drawings developed by Jason. First, I modeled the cores:Rick, I'm sure I am missing soemthing. But when I look at your models it appears that the rear port on the top of the cylinder is connected to the front of the cylinder. Am I looking at it funny or does the engine have crossed ports?
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u385/ricksisson/wwfry%2011/Cylinderstudy2Bcores.jpg)
I started this effort last fall - it took quite some time to become familiar with 3D modeling with the TurboCad software and quite a while to become comfortable with Jason's design.
I'm currently working on the outer shell molds and I am trying to get some more parts to the 3D printer soon. This is a very complicated casting and it hasn't been easy to get my arms around it, so to speak.
Keith,Dave.....ah, now all is clear! I knew I was missing something vital!
I believe the picture only depicts one half of one steam chest; there would be a mirror image portion forward (farther into the page) that would be the front half of the casting. What is shown appears to be the back half of the engineer's (right-side) casting, and I think that's why it was referred to as only one-quadrant of the entire cylinder saddle assembly.
Dave Crow
If you look at the picture, we are creating a split line on the pattern along the dashed line B-B, so that the sides with the washout holes are separate, and can be withdrawn from the sand at the angle of the washout holes. Then the back portion comes out perpendicular to its plane. That way we get all the holes without cores, and the amount of draft required is minimized.
Alan....it's a shame your dad has to work in such cramped quarters! ;DHe can always take a break on one of those 70-degree days and take a quick trip in that nice strip canoe in the background! 8)
Perhaps an air tank could be put in side the pattern locomotive Carl is speaking of so it could be powered by compressed air. It could then shuffle around the yard. Just a whimsical thought. The patterns you and your dad make are true works of art. I enjoying looking at them and marvel at your accomplishments.Bill...that would be impractical. Basically you don't need to make the same number of patterns as the number of parts. As an example, you only need one drive wheel pattern as you can use the one pattern four times.
it's safe to say it will look like it did toward the end of its career, one way or the other.
I hope the tender gets the large lettering (I think all our locos should have the large lettering).
and the last steam locomotive built in the state of Maine since Portland Co. built B&SR #5 in 1906!
No. 11's frames are all tucked in. Picture from Jason...Are they greased to prevent rusting?
More "perks" are still being planned.Oh, really? I see a $11E2 level of donation, and a $11E0 level. Will there be a $11E1 level donation?
First day of production on No 11 today with the clanging machine used to flange 8 components for the rear frame.I wish I had a “clanging” machine! But I suspect I would need hearing protection......
First day of production on No 11 today.
On May 11th is it a mere coincidence Jason ?
Yes that is a neat sequence of shots. How long did it take to heat the bar?Depending on the mass of the piece, anywhere from 5 to 15 minutes. Two torches were a must.
Jeff S.
How come the young guy is the one of two sitting in the group photo? ;)My response would be that its not about age, its about those in the front row not blocking our view of those in the second row. Having two rows allows the photo to be more of a close-up, and better suited for publication in the WW&F newsletter.
It is also planned to modify our home-built Beatty-style flanging machine to serve as a brake...
QuoteIt is also planned to modify our home-built Beatty-style flanging machine to serve as a brake...
As in a train brake? We have to toss it out the end of the car like an anchor.
Boothbay Railway Village no longer holds the ASME accreditation required to construct boilers. ML&M does, and they have been active partners in many of our activities.
While #53 was the star of today's deliveries to Sheepscot, the cylinder castings for #11 were also delivered.Are we going to lose the deposit on the pallet? Looks like somebody broke one of the slats!
[Photo by Jason Lamontagne]
Marcel will restore it to it's previous 1940's appearance. Stewart will paint it red.While #53 was the star of today's deliveries to Sheepscot, the cylinder castings for #11 were also delivered.Are we going to lose the deposit on the pallet? Looks like somebody broke one of the slats!
[Photo by Jason Lamontagne]
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Keith
Wow, just a few more pieces to fill in the gap between the rear tank frame and the cylinder half's and we will have a complete locomotive. (He said with tongue firmly in cheek.)I hope this is not what model railroaders call a "shake the box kit." We'd need a really hefty shaker.
So, no nut on the other end?Jeff. are you referring to a hex nut on the bolt? Then yes they will have retaining nuts. If you are referring to the nut holding the wrench..then a big yes to that too!
Jeff S.
True, James. But think of the extra eyes that would see it on other platforms -- YouTube, Facebook, etc.
What do you consider a "larger contribution"? What are the "Premiums" for making a larger contribution? Sorry, but I could not find answers to these questions on your website.
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Some very interesting things that separate that British style boiler from the ones that are on 7 and 8. All flanged boiler connections on the backhead for the throttle (will it be rotary like all the others on property?) and two sight glasses. Not sure what the one with the butterfly valve is gonna be.
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Is the schedule for #11 work days posted somewhere?
The August Build 11 Work days are the 15th, 16th and 17th.What's planned for the August work days? I really enjoyed joining you in July!
The notations are the result of x-ray inspection of the castings to insure there were no areas that were porous or otherwise weak.
The issues found were small and not in critical stress areas and the castings passed all the tests that we required for acceptance. We don't think the sand inclusions will affect any machined areas of the parts.
We're really pleased with the quality and response of this foundry, located in Springfield, MA.
We're sending everything over to Mountain Machine in Auburn...Does this mean that they will do the quartering? I remember the effort it took to quarter 9 during the rebuild. It took invention of an amazingly complex machine by our mechanical engineer to accomplish that.
They will machine and assemble the lead and main drive axle assemblies.
I was just reading through the Baldwin spec sheet for WW&F 7 and noticed something peculiar, it states the engine had no water gauge glass! Same thing with the Kennebec Central #1. This couldn't have been true, right? If it is, then was one ever added to either engine?While the phrase "bells and whistles" suggests superfluous items custom-ordered by each railroad, water gauges would not be superfluous, so evidently their style varied from railroad to railroad. More interesting research on "bells and whistles" is plainly needed. :D
It was common in the 1800s to run boilers on try cocks alone. Water gauge glasses were an extravagant expense. Loco 9 was also built this way, as I suspect all PoCo locos and most BLW ME 2 foot locos before SR&RL 10 or so.
Blow up enough boilers by misreading try cocks, and they make laws requiring water glasses. 100 years later we assume life was always that way, but remember they also blew boilers up by sitting on levers of sprung-lever safety valves. Good times. Well, not for everyone I suppose.
See ya
Jason
Where is the spec sheet available?WW&F's locos are on pages 40 and 41 of Volume 31.
I woud like to read it.
Keith
Bill,The Baldwin Locomotive Works archives. It has spec sheets for most of what the company built from the 1860s through the late 1930s. They're a bit tough to read for anything before 1908 though. Somebody switched them from hand written (in cursive) to block type at some point around then, so unless you can read cursive it's a bit hard to read.
Volume 31 of what document?
I believe that the Power Boiler Act of 1915 required gauge glasses in addition to the tri-cocks.
So I suspect that No.7 would have had a gauge glass added at that time.
Keith
... they also blew boilers up by sitting on levers of sprung-lever safety valves.
Somebody switched them from hand written (in cursive) to block type at some point around then, so unless you can read cursive it's a bit hard to read.
Will not try to remember names, but...
One of very first American Locos also exploded because the water tender/fireman did not like the sound of steam escaping from safety valve.
The story goes that is why State Legislature required car with cotton bales between engine and passenger carriages.
That is the story I remember from a lot of years ago. ;)
Ed, looks like there is a repeat of the lead truck photo instead of the photos of the engineering notes and contemporary notes; the mailing I received was formatted correctly.
Can you tell me if there is going to be a matching fund for Build 11 in 2025?