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Keith Taylor

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Re: New Whistles for 9 and 10
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2014, 02:56:24 PM »
Steam whistles are basically high pressure organ pipes. The length of the bell determines the pitch (basically the frequency of the musical note) and the diameter determines the timbre. Smaller diameters will have a "thinner" sound and larger diameters will have a fuller more resonant tone.
As to being able to hear the new whistle at the top of the mountain....I'm not sure that is a good thing. I believe the neighbors may start to complain. When No.9 was running up and down the Sheepscot Valley, there weren't as many folks living there. I am all for authenticity....but I am also in favor of being a good neighbor.

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Re: New Whistles for 9 and 10
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2014, 04:39:45 PM »
Just to throw my two cents in.... I liked the whistle we had been using on Number 10, but I must admit that hearing it "comin 'round the bend," I expected a 2-10-4 to appear. On the other hand, hearing the present whistle (Tweet!), I expected one of Eric Shade's G-gauge locos. Perhaps something in between, neither overly ostentatious nor overly humble.

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Re: New Whistles for 9 and 10
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2014, 04:52:02 PM »
John,,, Your "toot" cents worth is right on!!!

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Re: New Whistles for 9 and 10
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2014, 05:04:05 PM »
As Jason said, he and I kicked around the idea to reproduce #9's whistle a little while ago. While we can look at images of #9 in service, and have a pretty good idea of how it will look once the work is finished, we have no record of what #9 used to sound like- and there probably aren't many people around who could tell us either. So I think there is tremendous value in trying to replicate not only the mechanical nature, and asthetic appearance of the engine, but also in acknowledging that the way the exhaust sounds, and the whistle resonates is also a part of what we have the chance to restore. So I am very excited to help out by making the patterns for a new Portland Co. whistle and valve. I expect to have the patterns and core boxes done by next summer, but my hope is that they are finished much sooner than that. I'll be sure to post updates in the #9 thread at major milestones.

That said- I once read in "Goin Railroading", that engineers on the C&S would often plug some of their chimes with wood, so that each engineer would have their own accompanying sound. I've always liked the idea of that practice, simply for the variety it affords. Even if it wasn't fitting, I still loved the sound of that  CNJ whistle on #10. I guess we'll just have to build a 2ft 2-10-4 underneath it for John  ;). Can't wait to hear the new one sometime!

Bernie, thank you for the offer for the boiler tube! But I think Jason and I are pretty set on casting the chime. I think I've come up with a few tricks to make the core boxes a much simpler affair.
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Re: New Whistles for 9 and 10
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2014, 05:28:28 PM »
I am curious about how the term "chime" came to be used in reference to whistle. A "chime" is a bell that is struck; examples being dinner chimes and cathedral chimes. I think a more accurate terminology would be a single note or multiple note whistle.

According to this article ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_whistle ) a "chime whistle" is one with two or more bells and hence a multi-tone whistle and a "hooter" is a "plain whistle."
I still think chime is incorrect as the bell isn't struck.....but that is just me.  :)

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Re: New Whistles for 9 and 10
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2014, 01:07:00 PM »
A further 'note' on the hooter on #10 from my experience last weekend:

I found it to be very very LOUD!!!

A fairly pure tone, though, not much harmonic. Definitely potentially ear damaging.

Also, very difficult to modulate , either on or off.

I throttled back the valve, which helped quite a bit, but I noticed that southbound the breeze interfered with the steam jet so it was not very loud and very hissy.

So, my vote is no, lets find something else.



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Re: New Whistles for 9 and 10
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2014, 02:32:39 PM »
I am curious about how the term "chime" came to be used in reference to whistle. A "chime" is a bell that is struck; examples being dinner chimes and cathedral chimes. I think a more accurate terminology would be a single note or multiple note whistle.

Keith

But chime has another meaning:  the projecting edge of a drum or barrel.  It is possible the term came about based on the edge of the chamber of the whistle.  Of course, that is an Old English definition, probably from the Plattdeutsch kimme or the Swedish kimb

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Re: New Whistles for 9 and 10
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2014, 02:37:01 PM »
Also, very difficult to modulate, either on or off.

As brakeman on Sat., I misinterpreted Gordon's signals several times. Some were my error, but many were apparently due to the whistle's difficulty to control.

However, I did not find the whistle particularly loud or unharmonious. In fact, I liked it and thought it was appropriate. Then again, I was not in the cab all day either.
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Re: New Whistles for 9 and 10
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2014, 02:40:19 PM »
So why not put the little hooter back on No. 10 for the time being? Let me bring the Crosby three-chime back to Pennsylvania in a couple of weeks, Bernie can overhaul it, and we can put it on No. 10 in October.

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Re: New Whistles for 9 and 10
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2014, 05:08:53 PM »
Wayne,

I have been emailing Jason back and forth and I have just agreed to work on it. I told him it would be a good winter project. I didn't think about asking you to bring it back and I did know you were going up to deliver more stuff to the railroad in a little more than a week from now.  Doing this would cause me to go into high gear when the goal of bringing it back would be the work weekend when everyone could hear it.  I am sure that most everyone would agree that it would be the "right" one for this application because this size chime whistle is very pleasant sounding.  I would put the pattern I just started for #11 on the back burner.  I need a project to get my juices flowing again.  Great idea Wayne.

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Re: New Whistles for 9 and 10
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2014, 06:20:13 PM »
I think sending the whistle south to Bernie Land is an excellent idea.  I'll discuss details w Bernie and Wayne.

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Re: New Whistles for 9 and 10
« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2014, 07:06:02 AM »
Here's a recording Jason made yesterday, of No 10's current whistle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0JTRJJjkRs&feature=youtu.be

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Re: New Whistles for 9 and 10
« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2014, 11:07:10 AM »
That is how it sounded in narrow gauge land many years ago.  Our ears and minds are not used to these sounds.  Remember that enginemen went deaf after a while.  I knew one old tyme brakeman when I was a kid.  He was stone deaf from spending so much time in the cab.

The parts for the Crosby three chime are being fabricated.  All I have to fabricate is the lever.

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Re: New Whistles for 9 and 10
« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2014, 11:40:51 AM »
Remember that enginemen went deaf after a while. 

Say what? (with my hand cupped behind my ear :))
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Re: New Whistles for 9 and 10
« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2014, 12:14:01 PM »
Keith,

I guess you would know!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I remember him saying: "Those 5200s were really good locomotives".

Bernie
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