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Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
« Reply #390 on: November 07, 2017, 12:44:13 AM »
Mike,  would it be safe to assume that we will be working section 7 in parallel with section 2 in order to prepare for the bridge placement?

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« Reply #391 on: November 07, 2017, 02:16:20 AM »
Without going into great detail, the only thing that will be done in section 7 is what is needed to be able to work on the bridge site. Location 14 is a spot that will get fixed, mainly because it needs a culvert, so we can easily access the bridge site. Part of the culvert will be temporary, so when we are done the roadbed can be narrowed back up to original width.
Once the heavy work is done, the rest of the pipe work can be completed.
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« Reply #392 on: November 20, 2017, 04:47:23 PM »
The permit process continues, with a required notification appearing in this weeks edition of The Wiscasset Paper.
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« Reply #393 on: December 05, 2017, 03:22:13 PM »
Alna's permits approved! From the Wiscasset Newspaper:
http://www.wiscassetnewspaper.com/article/railway-museum-expansion-track/95329
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Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
« Reply #394 on: December 29, 2017, 10:54:10 PM »
Jason and I have spent several hours this last week working on it, and now have the NRPA Individual Permit ready for submittal.

This permit covers the Pinch point and 2 culvert locations that are all in a shoreland zone.

Permit will be sent from Alna tomorrow, after the required fee in inserted.
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Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
« Reply #395 on: January 14, 2018, 10:40:08 PM »
I want to move the grade topic over here, as well as any questions that may come up for the rest of the work. So, I include one of the Topo maps here, to show the elevation at the bridge and the climb up the mountain.

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« Reply #396 on: January 14, 2018, 11:21:38 PM »
Thanks Mike.  If I'm reading the topo correctly, it looks like the grade is fairly level or rises very gradually north->south north of the bridge.  Based on the bridge diagram, the bridge looks level, and the topo shows the grade starts to climb south of the bridge.

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« Reply #397 on: January 14, 2018, 11:26:17 PM »
If the bridge is raised 3 feet-plus above the current grade, to about 25 feet above sea level, in order to come back down to meet the current grade on the west side at a reasonable rate, the runoff would have to extend at least 700 feet (1% grade) north toward Route 218, reaching the current grade well beyond the end of the curve and somewhere around 300 feet from Route 218's right-of-way. That doesn't leave a whole lot of space for a runaround track or anything else. Going south, the runoff would be about 350 feet, almost level, to meet the 24 foot contour line. Neither of these back-of-the-envelope estimates takes into account the sub-ballast, ballast ties and rail. I had to do a similar exercise in order to raise a bridge over a highway to clear taller trucks some years ago, and I as I recall, we ran off each end for about 500 feet to meet the exiting grade. Your mileage may vary.

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Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
« Reply #398 on: January 15, 2018, 12:26:41 AM »
Actually, the grade south and north rise from the bridge site, so the length required to get back down to original height is a lot shorter than Waynes estimate. Jason has it figured around 250 feet south, and about the same to the north.

Bill, the climb is steady until we get to location 9, see the map in the last newsletter, then it increases slightly and starts into some curves. Last climb from beween location 2 & 1 increases to what must be 3%.
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Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
« Reply #399 on: January 15, 2018, 01:08:59 AM »
An important detail in figuring grade is that the final rail height would have been about 12” above current grade height anyway (grub off 4”, add 6” stone, 6” 4” rail).  Therefore the 3’ 2” is really only a change of 2’2”.  The grade to the north of the bridge indeed rises up- haven’t surveyed that but I’d estimate 12” in 200’.  So it’ll all smooth in fairly nicely.

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Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
« Reply #400 on: January 15, 2018, 01:54:06 AM »
So if I understand both Mike and Jason correctly;  if the bridge remains at the "higher" height, with some small amount of fill and then the new track, we are essentially level from the bridge north to 218.  Southbound grade get eased for the first 1000 or so feet heading up the mountain.  Makes for a good terminus and also to get a run at the mountain.  Love it when a plan comes together   ;D

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« Reply #401 on: January 15, 2018, 02:38:05 AM »
Well, it all works out nicely if you have all the numbers before you. 12 inches of rise in 200 feet is a 0.5% grade. Much better than what I estimated based on the contour numbers on the map. If a transit is set up on the bridge, which is presumed to be level, and the grade is maintained level out to the point where it encounter the current grade southbound, you'd be able to get a fairly decent run for the steeper grade ahead.
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« Reply #402 on: January 15, 2018, 04:15:40 PM »
I wonder what the grade height was originally?  We are only looking at what exists now after almost 100 years of erosion and logging operations that widened and lowered the top of the grade a bit.  I would think it prudent to have the area north of the bridge start a slow southward incline to the bridge so that it could be as high off of the brook as reasonably possible.  That would also serve to minimize the amount of the grade further south and help get a better running start.  Of course I understand that gets expensive as more fill material is required but that would be the best way to do it I would think. 

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« Reply #403 on: January 15, 2018, 04:41:43 PM »
I visited Trout Brook bridge site this morning, and the water has gone down quite a bit.  Here's a comparison photo of Saturday vs today:



Here's the actual photo I took:


And, for comparison, here's what the brook looked like in the summer of 2016 in the same location:
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Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
« Reply #404 on: January 15, 2018, 07:02:19 PM »
I really like your split frame picture James. That is very interesting. Now to do a split frame of summer 2018 construction vs summer 2016
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