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Anthony Vo

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Track for maintenance or a possible extension of the line
« on: May 30, 2019, 03:58:43 PM »
I am relatively new here, let alone this is my first post. But I have heard that you guys are looking for 60 lb rail and ties and I went looking around on the web for anything that might help. I found some useful stuff:

ties: http://www.theboardbarn.biz/
you'll need to scroll down a bit

rails: https://www.ez2rail.com/60-lb-asce-rail

I also wnated to take the opportunitty to ask if you guys are doing a southern extesion, because the old roadbed is still clear across from the street.
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Re: Track for maintenance or a possible extension of the line
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2019, 04:08:53 PM »
Anthony,

There's a thread about extending southward here: http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,1053.html

The short answer is "not right now".

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Re: Track for maintenance or a possible extension of the line
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2019, 04:43:29 PM »
Hi Anthony,

Thanks for the leads on ties and rails. For ties, we have found a nearly limitless and affordable solution by re-purposing pressure treated roadway guardrail posts. These work really well for us.

Rail is a different matter. New and used 60# rail is available from a number of suppliers (including Kimes.) However, the cost, plus shipping, is a bit above our current budget. Instead, we are looking for sources where the cost, plus shipping, provides an economical alternative to known new/used suppliers. For example, the rails being laid down the Mountain Extension were sold at or below scrap value, and the quantity made shipping from Wisconsin to Maine viable. We would certainly consider such purchases in the future, should the opportunity arise.

That said, Benjamin is correct in that we have no *current* plans to extend the rails southward from Sheepscot Station. We do our planning in 5-year increments, and we are in the middle of that cycle - with the goal of bringing train service to Route 218/Trout Brook Preserve in 2021. Once we have that goal completed, we will certainly be considering further railroad expansion. Crossing Cross Road would provide several operational advantages, even if the ride itself were not extended initially.
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Re: Track for maintenance or a possible extension of the line
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2019, 11:19:13 PM »
As far as extending the railroad, we are interested in continuimg the extension efforts and starting next year we will begin to weigh in some factors as to which direction we may want to go, how long of a break we may want, etc.

Whatever the decision just know that extension efforts are still part of the plan and any period of a "break" in extension will simply be for us to complete other projects, etc. Such as a roundhouse for example.
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Re: Track for maintenance or a possible extension of the line
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2019, 12:24:27 AM »
Besides the need for expensive crossing gates, wouldn't an extension in either direction change your status with the FRA and impose more rules/regulations/restrictions?

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Re: Track for maintenance or a possible extension of the line
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2019, 12:34:32 AM »
As far as FRA rules are; for Cross Road is crossbucks, warning signs, and a flagman.  Its technically a Class I railroad and keep to 15 mph.  Rt. 218 would most likely be another story but it is not in the 5 year plan currently.  Would it change our FRA status, yes technically but the operating department is revising our equipment and procedures to be FRA compliant anyway so its not such a big deal.
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Re: Track for maintenance or a possible extension of the line
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2019, 05:46:04 AM »
Route 218 would need lights but probably no gates. The FRA is really very pleasant to deal with. If you are honest and open with them, they are great to work with.
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Re: Track for maintenance or a possible extension of the line
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2019, 10:40:58 AM »
I've heard that crossing a road has an effect on insurance premiums.  Anyone know anything about that?

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Re: Track for maintenance or a possible extension of the line
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2019, 11:26:34 AM »
James, yes it will but it also depends on the crossing, how its protected, policies and operating procedures that the RR uses also has a factor.  There are many things that can mitigate potential loss which translates into what the actual rate shall be.
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Re: Track for maintenance or a possible extension of the line
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2019, 02:18:32 PM »
In my opinion, you guys should get some gates in addition to lights for Rte. 218, cause based on things all over the US, you never know what drivers can do.
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Re: Track for maintenance or a possible extension of the line
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2019, 03:30:15 PM »
The Maine State DOT will dictate whatever is necessary for the (possible, but not currently planned) crossing of Route 218 on the north end of the WW&F. Anything discussed here is pure speculation, which may be colored with experience.

The WW&F has a proven track record (sorry) of doing careful research and planning, much 'behind the scenes', to ensure when major projects are announced (usually in the 5-year plan, or the annual Fall Fundraiser letter) a clear path forward has been determined, with all associated costs and side-effects worked out.
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