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Carl G. Soderstrom

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Re: B&SR #34 flat car - Official Work Thread
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2018, 04:57:24 AM »
Tanks

I doubt i would fit though.

Will Jack Sprat have to be hired?   ;D
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Re: B&SR #34 flat car - Official Work Thread
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2018, 03:16:34 PM »
Don't think anyone would fit in the opening at the present time. There is hardware in the way that controls the bottom outlet valve.


Maybe someone could take some photo's that shows the tank in it's present condition.  Tanks bottom has many holes. Some from rust and some are puncture hole.

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Re: B&SR #34 flat car - Official Work Thread
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2018, 03:23:43 PM »
I have a variety of photo's of the tank taken last year. contact me off line if you like.

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Re: B&SR #34 flat car - Official Work Thread
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2018, 03:43:25 PM »
If we put that tank on a flat car what would the nickname for that be. TANKTOP?

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Re: B&SR #34 flat car - Official Work Thread
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2018, 06:38:47 PM »
Like the name Fred! 
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Re: B&SR #34 flat car - Official Work Thread
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2018, 11:21:12 PM »
Unless someone has a confined space certificate I don't think anyone is going in the tank.  I have one but with my back I won't be crawling anywhere for a while  LOL

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Re: B&SR #34 flat car - Official Work Thread
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2018, 07:57:19 AM »
Here is a photo of the top of the dome, showing the maker's mark. Harrisburg tanks are pretty rare, so it has a significance even beyond the narrow gauge realm. I believe it was originally an early standard gauge tank that was already old by the time it arrived on the B&SR.

https://www.midcontinent.org/rollingstock/builders/harrisburg1.htm

Compare our tank with the drawing of the 1875 Harrisburg tank car built for the PRR shown in the article above.
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Re: B&SR #34 flat car - Official Work Thread
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2018, 02:13:38 PM »
Fascinating! It would be great if we could establish this through further research. When did the B&SR purchase the tank?

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Re: B&SR #34 flat car - Official Work Thread
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2018, 02:15:27 PM »
Some photos of the tank taken yesterday -- December 1st.

Note the gash below the dome.




Note the corrosion along the bottom of the tank.










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Re: B&SR #34 flat car - Official Work Thread
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2018, 02:52:06 PM »
Thanks for the photos, Bill.

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Re: B&SR #34 flat car - Official Work Thread
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2018, 05:50:34 PM »
Repairing the tank in a period-appropriate manner, i.e. hot riveting, will be a somewhat difficult proposition since someone would have to be inside to buck the rivets. It would be so much easier to just weld patches over the gash and the rusted-out spot, but....  And who knows the condition of the interior baffles after all these years.

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Re: B&SR #34 flat car - Official Work Thread
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2018, 06:11:52 PM »
I would be willing to bet that following a detailed inspection that we will have to replace several sections of the shell as well as the baffles.  Now this is not such a bad thing as we can then open up the tank in sections and work piece by piece.  It would also not require a person inside for riveting as most sections could be done with our deep throat riveter.  Or in the big scheme of things, maybe we should just replace the whole tank but keep the dome original.
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Re: B&SR #34 flat car - Official Work Thread
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2018, 11:03:36 PM »
Looking at the last picture, it appears that the tank already has a patch near the handrail.
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Re: B&SR #34 flat car - Official Work Thread
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2018, 11:27:11 PM »
That repair was done prior to the use of the tank on the B&SR, as seen in some photos.
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Re: B&SR #34 flat car - Official Work Thread
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2018, 01:54:08 AM »
When did the B&SR purchase the tank?

According to Two Feet to the Lakes, the tank cars entered service in 1901 and 1920, but I'm confused as to which is which. (The text indicates the smaller 3,000 gallon tank came first and was put on flatcar No. 21 and then later No. 14, with the larger 5,000 gallon arriving second and placed on flatcar No. 22, but the H.T. Crittenden drawings in the back of the book show the larger tank on flatcar No. 14 and the smaller tank on No. 22, so I don't know what's correct.) We have the larger 5,000 gallon tank, whichever one that was.

Question: Have we measured the tank to confirm it will actually fit on the flatcar? B&SR flat No. 34 is supposed to have been a short 26' car, whereas flat No. 22 was 28' and Nos. 14 and 21 were both 30'.