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Re: Mapping the W&Q and the WW&F
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2016, 08:34:16 PM »
The TOM siding south switch was originally at:
44.094990° N, 69.624326° W (approximate)

The new south switch is slightly south of there; now at:
44.094831° N, 69.624942° W (nearly exact location of frog; data collected using RTX-corrected GPS, accuracy +/- 2ft)

There is no visible evidence (that I have found) of the road where it would have crossed the ROW. The "Camp Road" crossed at:
44.095549° N, 69.624738° W (approximate)
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Re: Mapping the W&Q and the WW&F
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2016, 09:59:36 PM »
Thank you Ed.
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« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2016, 10:27:05 PM »
So, there will be some revisions needed but, the W&Q yard has been added to the map based on the map from NGSV V1.

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« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2016, 08:29:32 PM »
  I was at Tobey's Store on Route 3 Palermo / S. China Line last Saturday.  There were several four wheelers gassing up there and I was able to talk with some of the local club Members.  They said there was a 25 Mile Loop from there that included some of the WW&F Right of Way which they had been repairing that day.  It also includes some power line travel, but they said old men like me could do the loop.  I want to do this!!  Anybody running it that would let an old man tag along? Love this map. Thanks

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« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2016, 10:25:28 PM »
Is that the Wiscasset yard or another?  When I get on all I see is the end of the line at the old middle school.   ???
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Re: Mapping the W&Q and the WW&F
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2016, 02:38:03 PM »
Thanks for your diligence in preparing your W&Q maps, Paul!

They are a wonderful resource!!!

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« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2016, 03:13:01 PM »
I'm new to this.  What are the red lines on the maps?  Thanks.

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Re: Mapping the W&Q and the WW&F
« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2016, 06:10:57 PM »
Hi Bob,

The red line depicts the W&Q's proposed extension from the end-of-track in Albion north to Burnham.  The narrow gauge roadbed was actually graded and track laid from Albion to the site of a proposed level crossing with Maine Central (MEC) just south of Burnham.  But the MEC, seeing the W&Q as a competitor, denied the narrow gauge, the right to cross their line at grade.  Rectifying this situation would have required either a lengthy and expensive court battle or a lengthy mainline ramp on both sides of the proposed overhead crossing. The W&Q was in no position to do either, so Albion remained as the W&Q's northern terminus.

The old right of way still survives, but I have not tracked if myself and can only assume that it has become badly impassible  in at least some few places.  

Perhaps someone else has more information on the current status of the old Burnham extension.  


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Re: Mapping the W&Q and the WW&F
« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2018, 06:10:26 PM »
Hi Bob,

The red line depicts the W&Q's proposed extension from the end-of-track in Albion north to Burnham.
The old right of way still survives, but I have not tracked if myself and can only assume that it has become badly impassible  in at least some few places. 

Perhaps someone else has more information on the current status of the old Burnham extension. 

Best Regards,
Glenn

Yes, indeed.  I am new at this, too.  What do the sections in red indicate?  The above explanation cannot be complete because there are several short sections indicated in red between downtown Wiscasset and State Route 32.  The Albion - Burnham section now appears to be indicated in white.  Do the red lines indicate sections where the ROW has been completely obliterated? 

This seems to be a really fascinating area.

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« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2018, 08:01:48 PM »
When you pop open the map, there should be a legend on the left side that shows each section with some colors. In case there isn't, here's a brief description of the colors you're interested in:

Burnham Extension is largely white, plus a few small sections of different colors around the Belfast and Moosehead Lake RR crossing that show the various alignments that were proposed.

The bottom-most red piece indicates the Wiscasset yard/shop/wharf area.

The rest of the red pieces indicate the "as-surveyed" alignment, in places where it deviates from the "as-built" alignment:
While working on the Wiscasset to Weeks Mills segment I noticed that there were a couple of locations where the survey and the as-built was off more than it normally is, these deviations in the survey were added as a separate layer to the map to show how the original survey had the line laid out and how it was actually built.

1.)  Probably the best known was the route around the Head Tide Church.  This included a compound 5 to 3 degree curve south of the church.
2.)  The mud flats at Wiscasset.
3.)  North Whitefield.  The topography tells a different story than the simple tangent in the survey.

Nothing on this map indicates the current status of the ROW regarding ownership, integrity, etc.

HTH
« Last Edit: March 29, 2018, 06:50:04 PM by Benjamin Richards »

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« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2018, 11:35:31 PM »
I'll try to fill you in in the next day or so. When I can get to a real keyboard.
What is the "map" referred to?Is it available on line or elswere??
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« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2018, 01:13:13 PM »
Look at the bottom of the initial message of this thread. There is a link to the map. Zoom in to get the details.

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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2018, 08:38:57 PM »
Thanks for link to map.I got out my trusty Gazeteer to tell all I know about Albion Burnham ext ,but can't. find
a "reply" button when at the computer. I'd rather not ues tablet.I usually get my work to disappear.
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« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2018, 06:02:51 PM »
Hey guys, I got an update to this that is 95% complete so please, be patient because this next release I pretty big. The new update will have a new link as well.

Some updates due very soon...
1.) Location of the Wiscasset and Quebec will be amended to follow the actual grade.
2.) Location of the W&Q will have some locations amended to show 'as surveyed' vs. 'as built'.
3.) Location of the Waterville and Wiscasset, aka The Winslow Branch, will be updated to follow the actual grade.
4.) Location of the W&W will have some locations amended to show 'as surveyed' vs. 'as built'. (Not that many on this one.)
5.) The location, from Farmington to Waterville of the Franklin, Somerset, and Kennebec!

    This one, let me tell you, was a pain in the buttocks. This will show well over 3 weeks of work in just mapping the line not counting the research, record chasing, calculations, excel nightmare, adjusting, correction, and all other impediments to actually getting this one to work.

    I will note here that the FS&K survey was a nightmare...a complete nightmare. Details will be gone into later, but with a survey like this it's a wonder the Farmington to New Sharon segment was graded. To say that the survey was preliminary would be an exaggeration!

A little side note...
The FS&K was surveyed in two parts.
    The first segment was from Farmington to New Sharon, starting at surveyors station -04+45 in the MEC yard to the crossing of the Sandy River in New Sharon at 471+14. ---8.92 miles---

  The second segment was from New Sharon to Waterville, starting at surveyors station 00+00 on the cape Cod Hill Road in New Sharon and ending at 1508+00 on Western Avenue in Waterville. ---28.56 miles---

The W&W survey was starting in Waterville at 00+00 on Western Avenue and worked its way TO Weeks Mills and not FROM Weeks Mills at 844+80. ---16.00 miles---
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