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Hansel Fardon

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Another Alna?
« on: July 01, 2015, 08:56:45 PM »
Today me and Stephen P. were looking through timetables and found out there was a flagstop between AC and Head Tide labeled "ALNA". The last record in the archives showing this stop was back in 1897. The next record is 1900. So somewhere between 1897 and 1900, this mysterious stop disappeared!

Could this be located at TOM? And could there have been a station similar to AC & Sheepscot?

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Re: Another Alna?
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2015, 09:24:47 PM »
I've heard this suggested before, somewhere.

Does the 1897 timetable give a milepost location for the Alna flagstop?

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Re: Another Alna?
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2015, 09:32:28 PM »
There have been several suggestions (but no proof that I am aware of) that TOM was once the site of the mysterious "Alna" station. Evidence exists of a cart road in the area that may have run between 218 (Alna Road) and West Alna Road. I have not seen this road on any map. (Whereas the road to Alna Center is clearly found on older maps.)
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Re: Another Alna?
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2015, 09:38:01 PM »
Wasn't this also discussed in one of Ellis's Musings?

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Re: Another Alna?
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2015, 09:56:02 PM »
I believe one of the Kohler books suggested the "Alna" station was at or about mile post 7.  We've placed the mile posts as accurately as we know how without laying track back to the diamond in Wiscasset, and TOM is about a quarter mile beyond it.

Placing Alna stop at TOM make sense because of the road. 

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Re: Another Alna?
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2015, 10:07:15 PM »
But isn't AC at milepost 7?

Substituting time for space, how many minutes does the 1897 timetable show a train would require between AC and "Alna" northbound or between Head Tide and "Alna" southbound?
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Re: Another Alna?
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2015, 11:30:07 PM »
MP 7 is near the Rosewood crossing, which winds up being about 1000 feet south of TOM
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Re: Another Alna?
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2015, 11:44:57 PM »
AC is at MP 6.4.  TOM is at about 7.35 - I looked it up rather than guessing.

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Re: Another Alna?
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2015, 12:23:53 AM »
I have been studying the handful of photos of the Alna Center station, and based on the background, I suspect the original location was at the north end of Albee's field, where the woods road crosses the track. Comparing the old photos, an old map of the area and a present-day Google Earth image, I have reached that conclusion. If I knew how to do it, I would post the photos I've mentioned, along with the map and a Google Earth screen shot -- but I don't.

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Re: Another Alna?
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2015, 12:53:16 AM »
Well, Linwood Moody's track maps in Appendix C of Two Feet to Tidewater show AC as MP 7.0, not 6.4, so I guess I'm not the only one who's confused!

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Re: Another Alna?
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2015, 12:59:19 AM »
MP7, plus 1947 feet is EOT at TOM by my wheel measurement. That is MP7.368. My measurements also put MP8 very near the south side of Trout Brook bridge.
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Re: Another Alna?
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2015, 01:30:07 AM »
Going to the Bible, Two Feet to Tidewater, the only timetable in the book that has the location of Alna Center (Centre, actually), has it at MP 6.4.  This is well after "Alna" as a stop disappeared.  Narrow Gauge in the Sheepscot Valley vol 6 has time tables, but none have mile posts for Alna Centre or Alna.

The location of Alna Center was established by the fact that the original building had been bought by local boy Austin Trask and dragged off the ROW to use as a hunting camp.  When we arrived years later, the building was a pile of rubble where it had been dragged to - but there was enough there to recover some boards.  So that's where we put it.

Later I walked the track with the measuring wheel and measured the distance between the two.  Before I did that our time tables marked Sheepscot as 4.80 and AC as 6.40, or exactly 1.6 miles apart.  After I did that I discovered the two stations were actually 1.57 miles apart, so it meant that one or both of the stations was not exactly where we thought it was.  I found Harry's W&Q milepost measurements, which were completely different from ours.  By either subtracting or adding (I forget which) exactly 1/2 mile, I made the numbers come out right.  So now, Sheepscot is MP 4.83 and AC is MP 6.40.

If you think about it, Alna as a stop has been gone for over 100 years.  I tend to think there was no building there.  If there was, maybe the crews took it down and disturbed the earth for the TOM siding enough that evidence is long gone.

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Re: Another Alna?
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2015, 01:44:35 AM »
This image of Timetable No. 83 from 1930 posted on the museum's Facebook page last October shows AC as MP 7.0:

https://www.facebook.com/147279126870/photos/pb.147279126870.-2207520000.1435801253./10152534892731871/?type=3&theater

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Re: Another Alna?
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2015, 03:04:33 AM »
"Back in the day" how were the mile posts measured out?
By Chain? odometer? Traveler?
And did buildings get moved but mile indications stayed the same?

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Re: Another Alna?
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2015, 03:56:37 AM »
"Back in the day" how were the mile posts measured out?
By Chain? odometer? Traveler?
And did buildings get moved but mile indications stayed the same?

By chain, i.e. the 66-foot surveyor's chain, at 80 chains per mile.

(The one exception to this that I'm aware of is the New York City subway system, where for whatever reason the 100-foot engineer's chain is the standard. )