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Phil Mason

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WW1 Baldwin 10-12-D Still out there
« on: February 14, 2013, 01:47:22 PM »
Hi All I'm a newby from the UK, driver on the Talyllyn Railway in Mid-Wales and lifetime narrow gauge enthusiast.
I had been reading details of the WW1 Baldwins and the trench railways and decided to go looking to see if any of the 500 + still existed. There is one running in the UK at Leighton Buzzard 44656 and another one 44699 undergoing restorartion for the Welsh Highland Railway in Wales.
I then had a look in India and found a couple that had been left for 20 or so years, these i have bought and they are currently on the water on the way back to the UK, due in early March, they are numbers 44657 & 45190. There is one more still in India at Motipur but i believe that has now been purchased and will be UK bound soon.
There is one still in Greece at Volos. Are there any others?
Also I have a 2ft gauge Davenport Tender loco which i am looking for some help with identifyying if there are any Davenport experts out there.
Many thanks Phil

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Re: WW1 Baldwin 10-12-D Still out there
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2013, 04:39:03 PM »
Hi Phil,

I'm delighted to hear your Baldwins have found a good new home!  Congratulations and Thank You for preserving them!  Where in India did you find them?  Do you have relationships with the Ashover Light Railway or GVT preservation groups by any chance?

One more Baldwin 10-12-D can be found operating at Dreamworld Amusement Park in Australia, but it was rebuilt into a tender locomotive with a "Wild West" flair.  A bit gaudy, but not unattractive and well-cared-for.  YouTube has some videos of her in operation.  I believe she came from India as did your locos.

What wheel arrangement and size is your Davenport?


Best Regards,
Glenn


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Re: WW1 Baldwin 10-12-D Still out there
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2013, 04:48:55 PM »
Hi Glenn

The Davenport is an 0-4-0 with a tender, some thoughts that it might have beena saddle tank at some time but i think it was built as a tender engine. It is identical to one runing at Eire railroad but without the side tanks. If you give me an email i will send you a coupe of photos.

With regard to the Baldwins I have spoken to both Ashover and GVT. The Ashover have plans in place at the moment to aquire another one from India. The GVT would i thnk be looking for one in the future when they get funding in place, but a littlt early for them at the moment.

Thanks for the reply Phil

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Re: WW1 Baldwin 10-12-D Still out there
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2013, 03:58:57 PM »
Phil,

I've got a (more or less legible) Davenport list. Where did it come from? It may be that I have, or could find a stock-list.

Rod

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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2013, 07:45:00 AM »
Hi Rod
It was working at the Ryam or Raiyam Sugar Factory in Bihar, India until 1992 ish. I have no other history for it m afraid.
Thanks for having a look for me
Cheers Phil

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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2013, 04:43:18 PM »
Phil,

I've had a quick look and unsurprisingly nothing "jumped out". I ought to have asked before - what wheel arrangement is it? That should narrow it down a bit. I'll have a better look tomorrow.

Rod

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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2013, 05:13:44 PM »
Phil and Rod,

The deGolyer Library at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas, has a large collection of Baldwin information.  Taken from their web site:

Example: 10-24 D 35
35 = Indicates the 35th locomotive in the class.
D = 3 pairs of driving wheels
24 = Number representing size of cylinder
10 = Indicates a total of 10 wheels
 
 a. The initial number is the total number of wheels of all kinds under the locomotive
 b. The second number indicates the cylinder diameter in inches, this quantity being obtained by dividing the cylinder diameter by 2 and adding 3 to the quotient. The above classification number of 24 indicates a cylinder diameter of (24 รท 2) + 3 = 15".
A fraction, 42/68 indicates a compound locomotive having two cylinders.
A second fraction of 1/2, 1/3 or 1/4 gives the arrangement of the truck wheels.
1/3 designates a trailing truck only, 1/4 designates a leading and trailing truck.
1/2 denoted a locomotive with some special feature such as condensing equipment.
Units with no fraction had only leading trucks.
 
 c. The letter designation indicates the number of pairs of coupled driving wheels.
"A" = special class of high speed geared locomotive with one pair of driving wheels. Also rack railroad locomotives.
"B" = one pair of driving wheels.
"C" = two pairs of coupled driving wheels.
"D" = three pairs of coupled driving wheels.
"E" = f our pairs of coupled driving wheels.
"F" = five pairs of coupled driving wheels.
Double letters = articulated locomotives having more than one set of coupled driving wheels.

Check out their website for the Baldwin Collection:  http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/smu/00052/smu-00052.html

Dave Crow
 

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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2013, 08:18:33 PM »
Phil,

I've just got a copy of the new IRS book on locos of India & South Asia. That suggests (admittedly with a "?") that it is Dav 1733/19. There's a picture of it working. The list I have says that loco was an 0-4-0 with an eight wheeled tender, gauge 23 5/8" supplied to Allied Sugar Machy. Co of New York City.

I don't know where any numbers might be stamped so I guess that's as far as I can get at present.

Rod

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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2013, 10:40:13 AM »
Hi Rod

thanks for that. I havent got a copy of that book yet, but i understand there is a photo of the loco on the cover. The loco would have carried a small plate inside the cab apparntly above the cab entrance. A similar Davenport at Eire Railroad carrys a plate in that position but no other stampings were found on the motion.

Thanks again Phil

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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2013, 07:45:42 AM »
Phil,

I forgot/omitted to say in previous post the the Davenport list I have doesn't show any of the locos as being tank engines, so it "could" have been Tank + Tender.

Is it going to Statfold too at some point?

Rod 

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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2013, 06:58:07 AM »
Yes the little Davenport is now at Statfold and is now at the front of the restoration queue, but we got to get on with the Hudswell Clark 972.

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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2013, 04:01:15 PM »
Just thought the masses might like this, but I found a webpage with pictures of the two repatriated Baldwins...
http://geoffspages.co.uk/raildiary/statfold16.htm
I'm curious, but what is the mechanical condition of the two?

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Re: WW1 Baldwin 10-12-D Still out there
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2014, 06:00:09 PM »
Outstanding video! Looks like all are having a blast.
Paul Uhland