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1  The Original W&Q and WW&F: 1894-1933 / Original Railway / Re: FS&K Ry - A little teaser! on: March 31, 2017, 01:09:26 AM
Philip, that is pretty great.  I had one of the State of Maine that was probably about the sames size, 1901, and had the line from Farmington to New Sharon.  Girlfriends (later to become wife) dogs ate it.
2  The Original W&Q and WW&F: 1894-1933 / Original Railway / Re: FS&K Ry - A little teaser! on: March 25, 2017, 06:47:02 PM
A few nodes of interests:
All elevations are approximate and measured above sea level unless noted.

MEC @ Winslow overhead crossing: 55'
WW&F Ry Station Grounds @ Winslow: 84'
W&W Ry Station Grounds @ Waterville (Western Ave): 120'
Top of tallest existing bridge abutment @ Winslow: 73'
Height of Winslow abutment: ~19.5'
Required clearance above MEC @ Winslow: 21'
Required space between bridge piers: 85'


3  The Original W&Q and WW&F: 1894-1933 / Original Railway / Re: FS&K Ry - A little teaser! on: March 22, 2017, 10:35:21 PM
Philip:  Thanks, I was far too tired last night to look, but when I get a chance I will find the links to the Google Books pages or my .pdfs if I can find them, to reference the Commissioners reports.  There are a few for Maine online, and there are two that describe the FS&K, one from Farmington to New Sharon, and another covering the portion from New Sharon to Waterville.

Everything I have found is from long forgotten portions of the public record, and lets just say that the storage methods being employed leave much to be desired, so I am starting to float the idea of digitizing and preserving records with one entity, and hope to get going on the other two next month, at least to develop a plan.  The key tip that I had wanted to chase down that lead to this was the constant mention in the standard Maine Narrow Gauge books of your choice, and the commissioners reports, was something along the lines of "as filed with the county commissioners" or in the deeds "along the line of stakes as filed with the county commissioners".  So I thought, well, let's go find these elusive county commissioners.  So...that's where some of these are to be found, but...one simply does not walk in to an office an view the records, no, one must dress like Indiana Jones and explore every back room of county government until one fines a room looking a little like this...



with no search catalog.

James:  Yes, in a way.  That entire development was farm land at the time of the railroad and I THINK, but again will have to check, it was subdivided in the 1940's, and I will post more details later, but there is a slight 'ravine' between Bizier Street and Route 201 / Augusta Road and the ROW would have crossed 201 on a curve.  If you were walking on the track railroad north as you cross the ravine into the Winslow yard to your left there would be an embankment, about 6'-10' that the curve would follow across the road and straighten out as it came upon the first of the three granite bridge abutments.

Mike:  Google "UNH Historic Maps" find the one that covers Oakland / Smithfield / Fairfield for the 1890's, makes it a lot easier to follow the old descriptions from the reports.
4  The Original W&Q and WW&F: 1894-1933 / Original Railway / Re: FS&K Ry - A little teaser! on: March 22, 2017, 02:47:40 AM
James,  The grade crosses the Carter Memorial Drive, off Dunbar Road is a long driveway pretty much dead on the ROW (44.527234, -69.635843).  The station is at 44.532687, -69.636946, the larger bridge pier is at 44.533224, -69.637777, and the pier closest to the river is at 44.533436, -69.638005.  Copy and paste those in to google maps to get a rough idea.  A look at the 2 foot contours and it makes a lot more sense.

Mike, I am assuming you are referring to the Tyler Corner in Oakland at the sharp dogleg on Route 137 at East Pond Road?  I will get more out in time but that is actually an old road to Ten Lots, a section of Fairfield / Oakland, that is marked on the plans as "The Road to Waterville".  A few of the older maps show a road through here as well and it is referenced in the Maine Railroad Commissioners report, the year passes me right now, of grade crossings from New Sharon to Waterville.

I have some more work to do to get this through Waterville.  The sketch of the topography Messalonskee and Kennebec rivers make sense, some of the streets are a little wonky and i suspect some names were swapped and dead ends made.  There are also no measurements until you reach the Winslow side of the river.  Also of interest is that station marker (distance measurement) 00+00 (0 feet) is at the Waterville Station on Western Ave and not measured from Weeks Mills.  There are a few other neat things on this map too that are different from the famous 100'+ map the state has.  (Also found another original copy and a black and white copy of that one of the W&Q)!!!

5  The Original W&Q and WW&F: 1894-1933 / Original Railway / Re: FS&K Ry - A little teaser! on: March 21, 2017, 09:33:31 PM
Yes, oh yes, this shows the line as surveyed from Weeks Mills to Winslow AND, the river crossing, and the planned route through Watervile to connect with the FS&K!!!

I will let you know when google maps is updated, until then, please post your theories on where the railroad would go to connect with the FS&K at the intersection of Messalonskee Avenue and Western Avenue in Waterville to the known end of track in Winslow at about 20 Winslow Road in Winslow, about 200' south of the Route 201 / Lithgow Street intersection.

You can make your own map in google maps (My Maps) or write a brief description here.

Until then...

6  The Original W&Q and WW&F: 1894-1933 / Original Railway / Re: FS&K Ry - A little teaser! on: March 12, 2017, 10:56:27 PM
HERE YOU GO!!

Part 1 of 2 for Kennebec County.

Let me know if you have problems viewing the map.

Some adjustments will need to be made on the west end of the map.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1vXj0BK14ebll_6-gh3lfURBhBig&usp=sharing
7  The Original W&Q and WW&F: 1894-1933 / Original Railway / Re: FS&K Ry - A little teaser! on: March 12, 2017, 08:05:54 PM
Yup, it was.  There are no sidings drawn on the plan so it is just the preliminary survey.  I have to wonder if they would either have a freight interchange point where the FSK and MEC split just north of the station and passenger interchange would be handled by the streetcars, or if freight cars would be handled over the electric railway which was in the planning stages around the same time.

The path through Oakland is a little interesting too, which is forthcoming soon.  I am in NJ this week for work (I am located in central ME) so updates will be slow, and the plans I found are incomplete so I have to chase down a couple more leads to see if I can get the rest of them.  Also, I am inclined to believe that there is a rough sketch or description of the course from Western Ave in Waterville to the Kennebec River.  If you look at google earth the land west of Messalonskee Stream from at least Kennedy Memorial Drive (Routes 137/11) to the MEC / Messalonskee Stream crossing was mostly farm land and undeveloped until the 1930's-1950's.  The most significant buildings were probably located at the bridge over the stream on Western Avenue.
8  The Original W&Q and WW&F: 1894-1933 / Original Railway / Re: FS&K Ry - A little teaser! on: March 11, 2017, 12:44:50 AM
Oakland and Waterville RY Crossing the FSK

IMG_4620 by Paul Levesque, on Flickr
9  The Original W&Q and WW&F: 1894-1933 / Original Railway / Re: FS&K Ry - A little teaser! on: March 11, 2017, 12:27:22 AM
IMG_4678 by Paul Levesque, on Flickr
10  The Original W&Q and WW&F: 1894-1933 / Original Railway / Re: FS&K Ry - A little teaser! on: March 09, 2017, 03:23:07 AM
I love these things!!

I am going to keep the sources close to my chest for now until I have more information and a better presentation to put out there.  It took some searching though!!
11  The Original W&Q and WW&F: 1894-1933 / Original Railway / FS&K Ry - A little teaser! on: March 09, 2017, 01:34:00 AM
Looky what I uncovered!!!!!!!!!!!!

Two little comments,

I will post more later, but be patient please I have many irons in the fire.

The entirety will be put on google maps hopefully by the end of spring!!

12  General Topics / General Discussion / Re: Moving Maine Central 470's Boiler on: August 10, 2016, 11:35:56 PM
Three pictures from yesterday.  Impressive work.

Let me know if the link doesn't work.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/134218704@N08/28900054285/in/dateposted-public/

Paul
13  Other Maine Narrow Gauges (Historic & Preserved) / Other Maine Narrow Gauge / Re: My new post card on: August 10, 2016, 11:27:14 PM
Hey Ted,

Philip is right.  I worked in OOB for a few years and learned a bit about the town.

First, the last time I was there, about a year ago, you could still the the trestle piers crossing Goosefare Brook on the boundary between OOB and Saco in an area known as Ocean Park.  You can walk up to what is really the last trace of the ROW in OOB off the intersection of Porter and Seaside Ave.

Check out tax maps and in the area of Ocean Ave and West Grand Ave I believe the lot lines follow the former grade.

The line intersected the B&M just after crossing Union street and ran to the station (not where the current station) which was located on First Street between Staples Street and Old Orchard Street.

Seaside Ave was built on the ROW.  The line diverged from the ROW in the area of Oceana and Winona Ave and the sidewalk follows the approximate location.

Reportedly the Ocean Park Station survives as an antique store (again, last time I was there) at Colby and Seaside Ave.

About the 1920's the ROW was bought by a real estate company and developed.

Paul
14  The Original W&Q and WW&F: 1894-1933 / Original Railway / Re: Mapping the W&Q and the WW&F on: May 26, 2016, 04:04:57 AM
Try it now.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1CADkRMDCf9yHz9x8rhuLtGZb8aI&usp=sharing
15  The Original W&Q and WW&F: 1894-1933 / Original Railway / Re: Mapping the W&Q and the WW&F on: May 10, 2016, 11:27:05 PM
So, there will be some revisions needed but, the W&Q yard has been added to the map based on the map from NGSV V1.

Paul
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