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Museum Discussion / Re: 1910 Days/Old Steamshovels
« on: September 21, 2008, 01:33:50 PM »
Wayne,  I like the old A/B model Macks. I trained on a 1954 B model pumper when I joined my local fire company in the 1970's.  My comment on old Fords is because of their extensive use by the Maine two-footers.  Harry got me interested in their history.  Four of the five operations had Ford track cars and/or railcars.  Here's a short recap -

The Monson had a Model T powered track car.  The B&SR had a Model T 4 door sedan track car (the one with the freight car front wheels).  They also had a Model AA stake body truck for express deliveries.  The SR&RL had the most Ford cars.  They were built in the Phillips shop and used heavy channel stock for the frames.   Car 3 was the large four seat car, Superintendent Vose's car was the open touring car, it survives at MNG.  Track car 2, an open car survives at Owls Head (it's the model for our new track car),  the second SR&RL car 3 was an open frame Model A track car, there's an operating replica at Phillips.  The WW&F had the most original looking Model T.  The open touring car retained it's frame, doors and soft top into the late 1920's.  Our Model T was even more unusual in that it was rebuilt with a closed body.  It sported a rare center door body for it's last few years of service.   

As the Galloping Goose was perfect for the RGS, the Model T fits well on the Maine two-footers.  They were used on other lines but I like the way they look on two foot rails.

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Museum Discussion / Re: 1910 Days/Old Steamshovels
« on: September 20, 2008, 05:32:37 PM »
Jock,  I was thinking about the AA safely making the drive to a parade.  The AA goes 30-35 tops so it takes a while to get somewhere.  First gear is a granny gear so that will work for parade driving.   It may be better to use a modern truck / trailer if we exhibit the Model T in a parade.   There is a member who has spent many hours building the T in his home shop.  He should be involved in the decision if the T goes on a trip.   I'd like to see it go to Albion for a day once their mainline is fixed up. 

The more I think about it ... the AA truck and handcar can be transported more easily so they could be the primary parade display.     Well - we have all Winter to think about how to promote the WW&F with these artifacts.  I'm sure the Board will have a policy for equipment visits.  It's great that we have these old Fords to make plans with.

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Museum Discussion / Re: 1910 Days/Old Steamshovels
« on: September 20, 2008, 12:41:12 PM »
John,  Here's more info on the truck.  It still has the original 6 volt positive ground electrical system.  The generator was just rebuilt.  There's only one tail light on the drivers side (which doesn't work right now).  I'm bringing some 6v bulbs up next month to see if I can get the tail light working. 

Since the truck is museum property the Board may have to approve any changes above what Henry Ford did. 

Stewart

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Museum Discussion / Re: 1910 Days/Old Steamshovels
« on: September 20, 2008, 12:09:31 AM »
Dave,  Great minds think alike!   John,  Good thought.  That idea has been kicked around.  Since you brought it up, yes the AA truck could pull a trailer.  There is an old clevis hitch on the frame that could be updated.  The model T railcar would look great riding behind the Model AA.  One thing to consider - The flatbed has mechanical brakes so I don't know how to brake the trailer. 

I'm looking forward to seeing the Model T out on the line ... also, picture both old Fords nose to nose in the shop.  That will be something to see.

Stewart 

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Museum Discussion / Re: 1910 Days/Old Steamshovels
« on: September 09, 2008, 05:54:37 PM »
Lots of great ideas being posted here ... having a WW&F steam show is top notch.  Here's another idea that goes with our mission to educate folks on the railroad.  We can put our new flatbed truck in the local parades.  It will look good with the doors lettered WW&F RAILWAY and a handcar in the back.  That will be a nice display that we can get out into the community.  I think it will bring more of the community to the museum.   

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Museum Discussion / Re: Long Range Plan
« on: September 08, 2008, 03:23:44 PM »
It's true that the LRP can be updated but remember the town has to approve any changes regarding building construction, drainage and land use.  The LRP Committee did an outstanding job with the original plans but yes, some things have fallen behind.   LRP timelines are driven by the availability of funds and volunteers to complete the projects.  We probably need to adjust some of the completion dates.  I think the Board / LRP Committee will revise the document when they see fit.

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Work and Events / Re: 2008 Brushcutting
« on: September 06, 2008, 07:43:25 PM »
Good point Bill.  Another reason for keeping the brush back is fire prevention.  Weeds and brush get dry and burn easily in the Summer and Fall plus the grass strip gives us better control and keeps small trees from taking hold.  The good thing about the WW&F is that our railroad is not a ride through a tunnel of trees.

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Museum Discussion / Re: 1910 Days/Old Steamshovels
« on: August 28, 2008, 12:08:34 PM »
Good point James,  Financial support is vital to the restroom and parking lot projects. Regarding the parking lot, the plan is to build the first lane (row C) of the parking lot in 2009.  The rest of the trees and brush will be cleared this Winter and entrance construction and grading will be done in the Spring.  That will give us 30 car spaces and 4 wide handicap spots.  The planned car spaces are a bit wide so we may get more cars in if we reduce the spaces.  The next phase would be the center lane (row B) which will add another 30 spaces.  Lane B is scheduled for completion in 2010 but extra funding could fast track it's construction.  Gravel is the biggest expense with the parking lot.  It is needed for other projects too so the more funds the more gravel.   

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Museum Discussion / Re: 1910 Days/Old Steamshovels
« on: August 27, 2008, 12:20:49 PM »
The key to having this event is a small committee with a chairman who has the time and patience to put it together.  As some of you know, I am on the Board of my local volunteer fire company.  Each year we have a Fall Fest which brings in around 10,000 people.  All arrangements for vendors and entertainment are made through the committee chair.  He is the go-to guy for all questions pertaining to the event.  This has worked well for the last 6 years.

If the WW&F Board approves a "1910 Days/Steam Show" event a steam show committee would arrange everything from parking to mapping the display area(s).  Safety is one of the first concerns with children around working equipment and moving trains.  We should limit the locations where visitors can cross the tracks if we use both fields.  I think we should start small with antique engines, autos and working horses as displays.  Those things could be in the east field and the food tents, etc could be in the west field.  Food could be out sourced to a local church or the Alna VFD.  We would have to work out where exhibitors park their trailers.   They need room to stage, unload and turn the horse and tractor trailers.  We would need volunteers to work the event area as well as run trains. 

I think there is alot of potential for the museum to advance it's standing with the town and surrounding areas with this event.  It is a great way to entertain and teach at the same time.   Teaching about the history of the railroad and it's affect on life in the Sheepscot Valley is our mission.   

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Museum Discussion / Re: 1910 Days/Old Steamshovels
« on: August 26, 2008, 01:59:53 AM »
Another draw is to have live music.  Two of the steam shows I attend have small stages where Bluegrass music is played.  Visitors sit on the grass or bring folding chairs for the lunch time shows.  We could set a flatbed truck or trailer set up as a stage.  I wonder if the Soggy Bottom Boys are available.  I hear they were pardoned by the Governor ...

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Museum Discussion / 1910 Days/Old Steamshovels
« on: August 25, 2008, 12:22:19 PM »
I think a steam show / working horse event would be a good thing at AC.  Bring visitors in by train so there's no problem with parking, etc.  Food could be sold at AC or Sheepscot.  Of course the fields at AC are not ours so the Board would have to get permission from the land owners on both sides.  We do own the gravel lot across from the station so the heavy equipment could be staged there.  This type of event takes a good sized lot.  We could also have a flea market at AC or Sheepscot. 

There are a number of steam shows, Amish horse pulls and Threshers Reunion events in my area of Northern Md and Southern Pa.  I've been going to them for over 30 years and the attendance gets bigger each year.  Many are city folks who just want a day in the country.  They wind up with an enjoyable day and history lesson.   

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Museum Discussion / 1910 Days/Old Steamshovels
« on: August 22, 2008, 06:55:16 PM »
Dana,  Nice shovel!!  You posted some great ideas for an old time day at the railroad.  An event like that would bring the families and railfans alike.  As Steve Z. said, you have to bring in the daisey pickers to have a true success.  Each year Cindy and I go to an Amish farmers horse pull in York County, Pa.  It draws a large crowd from Md and Pa.  There's also a real nice steam show in Northern Maryland that has steam tractors, steam rollers and lots of hit and miss / flywheel engines.  The show has been held there every Fall since the early 1950's.   There's a flea market that takes about 4 acres.  This year I'm going to take my 1929 AA Express truck just in case I find a nice Fairbanks Morse 3 horse engine that would run a track car...


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Museum Discussion / Re: Track availability
« on: August 22, 2008, 12:23:37 AM »
Ken,  To bolster what Steve said - there are a number of things to consider with each piece of track expansion .  First is tree cutting which depends on the crews that show up and the weather they have to deal with in the winter.  Next is grade preparation - stump pulling, wash out repair and leveling which is mostly done by a contractor.  That's the first big expense.  Of course ties, rail, spikes, bolts and joint bars must be purchased too.  Another big expense is the stone ballast which must be purchased and trucked in.  

We have done all these things over the last 12 years I have been going to Sheepscot.  The basic rule has been to build 1,200 feet of new track each year or two.  I won't say (as some do) that we are just limited to running between Sheepscot, Alna Center  and eventually Head Tide but that's a real good start.  I think we will make up our minds about further expansion once we have those three stations to run between.  The deciding factor is that we must maintain every foot of track we put down.  It's more fun building new track than maintaining the older parts of the line.  My point is that I have seen our mainline grow over 2 miles since I've been going and I never get tired of going back to help build more.  I think our present formula works well for our size and financial situation.   

Stewart

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Boothbay Railway Village / Re: B&SR coach 11 at Boothbay
« on: August 17, 2008, 11:53:52 PM »
Hi Keith,  What you said about the roof paint is true.  Real red lead is hard to dulicate without the lead additive.  I tried to match it on the roof of coach 3 when I paint it 8 years ago.  It actually looked a little better once it got a soot coating.   Yes the original red lead paint had more brown in it than anything today.  I could get a better color match if I had an old paint chip from the part of a car roof that is out of the light and weather.

Stewart

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Museum Discussion / Re: A few pictures from Annual Picnic 2008...
« on: August 15, 2008, 10:12:31 PM »
Steve,  Great pan shot of Dana running #10, looks like a calendar photo ... hint hint.

Dave,  Thanks for the youtube links.  Nice videos!  I didn't get to see the scenes from that vantage point so they show how good everything looked.

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