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WW&F Railway Museum Discussion => Work and Events => Topic started by: James Patten on July 14, 2009, 04:01:09 PM

Title: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 14, 2009, 04:01:09 PM
Do you think we may be able to make it to 218 by the 25th year?

I'd call it a definite maybe.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on July 15, 2009, 01:16:26 AM
Just out of curriosity, how much money, roughly, would it take to lay down the remaining track to 218, including the bridge?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Allan Fisher on July 15, 2009, 04:52:29 AM
A reasonable estimate for 6000 track feet of rail would be $120,000 at todays rail price.

$70,000 for ties, spikes and culverts.

$100,000 to repair two large washouts and one major landslide.

$60,000 in excavating and ballast costs.

$30,000 for the queen truss bridge over Carleton Brook (this may be high)

Total is $380,000.

If we used annual fundraiser for next 7 years just to extend track, we could be at Rt 218 in 6 to 7 years.

But as you know we have other needs to provide for.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on July 16, 2009, 03:36:17 AM
On a shorter term goal how much will it cost to put down track from current EOT to TOM or has the board desided to stop where it is now? Also how much will it cost to finish the rebuild of #9?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Allan Fisher on July 16, 2009, 04:37:03 AM
As I keep saying to those of you who think the only ideas or plans come from this discussion forum. Relax, take a deep cleansing breath, and have a little faith in your board. Also read the long range plan again. All will happen in good time, and the museum will not lose momentum or the faith of its tracklaying and non-tracklaying volunteers.

All will be well, I promise.

Remember that the newsletters and the annual capital fund raising letter are the principal methods of sharing information from the board - NOT this discussion forum.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 16, 2009, 12:19:43 PM
To echo what Allan said...
I heard this at Sheepscot the other day:
"The discussion forum is nice, but the decision forum meets once a month in the Percival house."

The BOD does read this forum and the ideas are shared. However, the forum is not the place where official announcements, etc. are normally disseminated. Not everyone on the BOD has computer access, either. We also have to remember that the BOD is privy to information that can not be shared publicly, but has a major impact on what decisions are made and how they are carried out.

It would be great to get a bucket of money and rebuild to 218 and/or Head Tide, or south to Wiscasset. But then what? The operation and maintenance would exceed our current capabilities. We have to grow slowly - and not make a classic mistake of getting too big, too soon.

When I did a limited amount of railroad modeling, the fun part didn't come when the layout was "done", it came in the building of the track, models, trains, etc. We're effectively doing the same thing.

I guess the best thing to do if one feels strongly about a particular issue is to find one of the BOD members and ask them directly. I also understand that BOD meetings are open to the membership.

Overall, I think we're doing an amazing job following the Long Range Plan that has laid out our growth strategy since 2005. We've been steadily increasing the mainline, continuing to maintain our locomotives, cars, and track. Car 103 was restored - although work still needs to be done on the roof. #9's restoration is entering its final stages, the water tank is operational, and we have a new flat car. Planning for the restrooms and new parking facilities is done, with land clearing underway and grading anticipated for early this fall. We extended our shop, allowing more space for indoor storage.

Also, many of the minor projects have been completed (or are well underway.) We've cleared Averill Road and now can store stone at Alna Center. We've started to improve volunteer intercommunication (in part, through this forum.) I can't speak for accounting, financial development, or marketing, but I do know we have had some action (and success) in securing grants that have contributed to the completion of many projects. Sheepscot Mills is assembled, ready for use; and the Model T will be finished within a handful of weeks.

And that's just what I know off the top of my head as a non-BOD member "from away."

Let's be proud of what we've accomplished in the last 5 years, and look forward to the next. 
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on July 17, 2009, 11:54:50 PM
I guess I must be the MOST HATED person to post on this forum as it seems any time I post I am either pasted by or I am rebuffed in some way. I get the feeling the BOD would just asoon I went away someplace.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on July 18, 2009, 12:19:06 AM
Paul,

Hopefully, a lot of your questions can be answered by looking at the Long Range Plan at http://www.wwfry.org/projects/longrangeplan.pdf (http://www.wwfry.org/projects/longrangeplan.pdf) or reading the WW&F Newsletter, a copy of which should be arriving at all members' doorsteps on August 1.

-John
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 18, 2009, 02:06:14 AM
Woah!

I'm not going to edit your post, Paul, but I really do not think that the BOD has anything against you, or anyone else who participates in this forum.

I think we all are passionate about the WW&F and that passion manifests itself in different ways. Some can serve as BOD members, some can be weekly volunteers, some can help from afar on certain projects, some can be "armchair railfans" and wish they had the time, money, and/or opportunity to help the WW&F in person.

All of us mingle in the Forum, all show passion and dedication, and there is a place for us all at this table.

I believe, in this instance, the BOD was simply trying to let us (the general membership) know that the decision had been made as to what the configuration would be at the Top of the Mountain. Frankly, I thank them for chosing the forum as that medium, and trust their judgement. I can also observe that the discussions and ideas here have had impact at the museum.

In short, Paul (and anyone else), you are welcome (and encouraged) to discuss the WW&F here. As far as I am concerned, only topics that could have a negative impact on the railroad museum are off limits. (Sometimes I know in advance what they are, sometimes I do not.) I do not consider the TOM discussion closed - we still have to build it. But, for now, the BOD has given us the courtesy of letting us know what their intent is when we get that far.

Let's work together to get there, then on to 218 and beyond.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 18, 2009, 02:11:32 AM
On a shorter term goal how much will it cost to put down track from current EOT to TOM or has the board decided to stop where it is now?

It is my understanding that there will be additional track laid this fall. However, the grading is not completed to the TOM. (It's pretty close, but not quite.) I suspect we'll know soon exactly what the plans are - I do not believe they have been settled, yet. (We also are awaiting a shipment of rail, which until it arrives at Sheepscot, is never a done deal.)

The annual fundraising letter is due out soon - and I'm sure the details will be settled by then.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 18, 2009, 12:24:26 PM
I live nearly 600 miles from the railroad and get to Sheepscot 4-5 times a year.  Over the last 12 years I have been able to sit in on a few Board meetings and have always been welcomed warmly.  I can state that the Board carefully considers all requests and ideas that come before the panel.  The best way for members to submit an idea is to send a letter to the President or Board Secretary.  It will be read and discussed.  Ed's "echo" post was spot on.  Speaking as the Board Chair of my local Fire Department, there are a number of things that affect Board rulings.  Some are not broadcast to the membership at large.  The most crucial issues are often driven by financial and legal concerns.  The legal aspects for the WW&F Board include right-of-way preparation and land use.  These decisions are best left to the Board members that we elect to govern the museum. 

I look forward to seeing the mainline and siding track built at TOM but I understand that there are a number of things affecting the extension.  The well known issues have already been discussed.  Another issue is that the museum does not own all of the land that we build track on.  Agreements with land owners are key to our expansion.  As I remember the museum has to get land use agreements for some of the ground at TOM.   There are a number of things that must be worked out in a certain order and land agreements are at the top of the list.  Being a good neighbor with families who own land in Alna is key to our local support and museum expansion.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on July 19, 2009, 03:52:20 PM
Please Read this is to the BOD. I had an Idea on what to do at the landslide area I think a cheaper way to fix this and is most likely how Old Sam and The original railroad might have fixed this problem. This would be to cut the shelf for the right of way back into the hillside to the weith needed. I do not know what kind of materal the hillside consisted of so it may be nessary to do some retaining wall to hold the side of the cut. If you have already thought of this then ohwell. Maybe something to think about. Hope this may helps.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 19, 2009, 10:13:38 PM
Paul, Unfortunately we don't have much room to shelf that to acquire the "Borrow" to fill the washout. The Right of way is only 66 feet wide and in that area. it is up hill one way and down the next. The former President met with atleast one, probably more, local contractors to see about fixing this area up. The material they can haul in will be much better than the clay earth that is found along the ROW. Gravel will provide a much better base.

 And to add to what Ed said about the "Decision Forum", we know where the decisions are made. By the Board. But with a little discussion from near and far, from members and non-members (become one today!) some good ideas have come from this discussion forum. As long as EVERYBODY knows that the forum is all talk and the Boad is all action, things will be great. Now if someone else wants to take a deep cleansing breath, go for it.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 19, 2009, 11:53:13 PM
Paul I think you're talking about a "Shoo-fly" if I'm not mistaken.

In another location it might be a great idea, however as Mike mentioned, there's not much room in that particular location.  The immediate ground to railroad east is a steep, high hill, and to railroad west is the stream bed valley, with several dozen vertical feet from road bed to either crest of hill or bottom of stream.  The roadbed was literally cut from the hillside there.

Also Alna seems to be homebase for clay.  Clay is underneath everywhere you look, just about.

Additionally, the local conservation group, Sheepscot Valley Conservation Association, doesn't like the washout anymore than we do (but for very different reasons) and would like it dealt with/stabilized.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on July 20, 2009, 01:05:04 AM
Guess I misunderstood. I thought at least part of the original shelf was still there. So what I thought could be done was to cut back more into the hillside to realine the track.
By the way how much right of way was lost?
As for membership I already am a member in fact I am life member #537 thank you.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 20, 2009, 10:59:05 AM
How much is left?  The last time I looked (last year) a section about 15 feet long up to the centerline of the roadbed had washed out.  We've had some pretty heavy rain this year and it rained almost all of June, so I would expect even more of the roadbed has eroded away.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 22, 2009, 11:17:00 PM
Paul, My membership plug was aimed at any non-members that may be reading. As we know, it's the only way to get the Newsletter by mail.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on July 23, 2009, 10:54:22 PM
Mike
 Just wanted to let you that I like You am a member of this GREAT orginasation even though unlike you I have not ever seen the Museum in person I wish I could change that as I would like to see and experance the history there.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 25, 2009, 12:07:32 AM
It's worth the trip. On to 218
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on July 25, 2009, 01:34:10 PM
In looking at this mess at the slide area I cann't help getting the feeling that something needs to be done here before things get worste. Seems I heard that what may have caused this to happen is that the drainage system after 80 years with no maintaince is not working. If this is so and this area is on W&Q property might it not be a good idea to repair the drainage system so that more damage is lessened so that the cost of repairing this will not go up any more than nessary. I understand labor is now becoming short as the the line grows but maybe a crew could go out at the upcoming work weekend if enough people show up. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 25, 2009, 10:13:50 PM
Part of the problem is this washout is not on W&Q property, but on private property.  At this time we have no access to the land.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on July 26, 2009, 01:04:21 AM
Thats too bad. Hope we can get control of this area soon so something can be done to keep more damage from happening.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dana Deering on July 28, 2009, 12:02:06 PM
Here's my theory about the cause of the landslide and a way to prevent more in the future while we work to get over that section:  At the time the landslide occurred we had a lot of rain and the clay soil became saturated and lost its adhesion to whatever base was underneath.  The other factor in play was that in the 60 plus years since the end of operations the trees had grown to a substantial hieight with a realtively shallow but wide root base.  Then, we had a period of several days of very high winds on top of the saturating rain.  The trees caught the wind and acted like giant levers and pried the bank loose from its tenuous moorings and everything slid to the bottom of the fill.  The two things that could be done to prevent more of the same would be to cut the trees and restore the drainage.  I think removing the trees would go along way toward halting further slides.  A little sunshine wouldn't hurt, either.  For June and July we are 10 inches above normal for rainfall...
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on July 28, 2009, 11:04:43 PM
Dana
 I could not agree with you more unforunetly as James pointed out it isn't our ballfield to play on YET although I can guess that the BOD is working to change that [though this is probalbly TOP SECERT stuff and can't And shouldn't be Talked about now]. Lets hope the BOD can work their magic in smoozing the neibors into some kind of land use agrement soon.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on September 28, 2011, 04:21:25 PM
What does the mueseum plan on doing once the ROW reaches route 218? Is the ROW going to cross the road and continue on towards Head Tide or is there going to be a station there to make it the official end of track of the museums track?  ???
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 28, 2011, 04:33:27 PM
I do not know if that has been decided yet, as it is beyond the scope of our current Long-Range plan.

The Long-Range Plan is in the midst of being updated. Once complete, I suspect that it will be published on our web site, as is the case with the current edition of that document.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on September 28, 2011, 04:37:14 PM
Alright. I was just wondering if we would build a little station (like Alna Center) there if we stop the ROW there or if we keep going past Route 218, we could maybe make a passing siding or picnic area for people to get off of and have a little snack and wait for the train to come back (Like what the East Broad Top does) :)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 28, 2011, 10:24:45 PM
Good to have you back Matthew.  Here are a few facts and options.
 
To get to the Rt 218 crossing the museum must -
(A) Secure land owner permission on a few parcels.
(B) Repair a large wash out on the grade.
(C) Build a 90' bridge at Trout/Carlton Brook. 
Head Tide had an agent station so if a depot is built it would most likely resemble the original Head Tide structure, although it would not be in the original location. 

The museum can then -
(1) Apply to cross 218 and build along the river towards the Head Tide cut.
(2) Not build the crossing but build track, starting on the north side of the crossing and build towards the cut.
(3) Stop building track and operate the roughly 3.5 miles of railroad.
(4) Stop building north and come back to Sheepscot and build track south towards Wiscasset.

Some of these ideas have been discussed for the last 15 years and may be in the next LRP.

Stewart
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 28, 2011, 11:38:41 PM
We're planning for the next LRP to include a business plan which will explore the various options.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on September 29, 2011, 04:19:27 PM
I heard about a plan on the old topics that there was a plan for a Wye or Armstrong Turntable to be made if we pick not to cross Route 218, is this still in the plan or has both solutions been turned down?  ??? :)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 29, 2011, 04:48:11 PM
Hi Matt,

Since we haven't decided yet, any options are on the table. We'll cross that bridge, when we... cross the bridge we have to build.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on June 14, 2012, 01:19:07 AM
Does anybody have any possible maps of what the ROW would look like if we continue the track laying process towards Head Tide that starts at Route 218. I tried using Google Map but I cant find the ROW at all past route 218? I can only see the ROW from Alna Center to Route 218.  :-\
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on June 14, 2012, 11:25:47 AM
Matt,

Ed had made you a map of the Head Tide area back in 2008 when the winter crew cleared trees from the Head Tide Cut:


Does anyone have a map to pin point the exact location of this photo along the WW&F ROW?

Matt, I made one just for you...
(http://www.spongeawareness.com/maps/topomap2.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on June 21, 2012, 06:19:32 PM
I know he made that map but it has an arrow that points towards Head Tide at the top of it. I want to know the ROW that goes beyond the arrow thats on that map or is the arrow on that map the stoping point of the plans on reconstructing the ROW north?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on June 21, 2012, 06:28:16 PM
Hi Matt,

You missed the link in the posting. I embedded the image above.

The end of existing track is clearly marked, as well as all obstacles to 218. Head Tide Station is labeled at MP 9. However, to get to the station site, we would have to cross through the property labeled "red cape." The current owners of that property have a horse corral on the old railroad grade; passing through their property is unlikely.

Realistically, we could build to the crossing on the other side of the road the red cape is on. However, getting that far would take buckets of money and volunteers.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on June 21, 2012, 08:07:56 PM
A walk north toward 218 from the current end of track is very educational. The landslides and washouts are huge, and will be very expensive and time consuming to repair. The brook is far below and the railroad runs on a narrow shelf at best.  Beyond all of that is the missing bridge over Trout Brook, which is going to require a much more substantial structure than Humason Brook trestle.  After that, you have a fairly straight run to 218 which is a short distance away. Realizing what it has taken to get as far as we have, I can't imagine seeing our arrival at 218 in less than 20 years, if then.  Not unless a real wealthy benefactor suddenly appears and drops a bundle of money on the museum. And perhaps not even then.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on June 21, 2012, 09:52:24 PM
But it's going to happen...all of it. So smile and enjoy the ride!  :)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 22, 2012, 12:35:32 AM
Stephen, I smile and dream of the ride ;D
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on June 22, 2012, 12:49:24 AM
They kept telling us MeC #501 at North Conway was going to "happen", and The "Flying Yankee", and B&M P4 #3713, and other things.  Some of us are running out of time to see these things happen. Some already HAVE run out of time, while dreaming and giving money to see them happen.  We're not all going to live another 50 or 75 years.  I'm beginning to take a more realistic view of the probabilities.  This is not being critical, only pointing out a fact. 

Carry on!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on June 22, 2012, 01:48:31 AM
They kept telling us MeC #501 at North Conway was going to "happen", and The "Flying Yankee", and B&M P4 #3713, and other things.  Some of us are running out of time to see these things happen.

I appreciate your concern Dick, as the actuarial tables tell me that I have less than 15 years left. However, a look at the WW&F Newsletter of ten years ago (May/June 2002), is very encouraging, as I note that while Humason Trestle had been built, track was not yet in service there. The big washout south of Alna Center had not been filled, and the Alna Center station building had not been built.

There are some big obstacles, but our record of overcoming obstacles is substantial. We got a lot of the parking lot fill courtesy of Fred Morse sweet-talking a local truck driver, and we got a Marine Reserve unit to build the Humason Trestle. When it comes to "painting fences," we can put Tom Sawyer to shame.

Last, but by no means least, being two-foot rather than standard gauge helps a lot to make projects more manageable, and our chances of political problems, funding problems, and mechanical incompetence are much, much less.

I fully expect to ride the train to Route 218, maybe with oxygen, but I expect to get there. I wish you a corresponding opportunity!

-John

Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on June 22, 2012, 03:16:20 PM
Well, that's a deal.  We'll be the two geezers in wheelchairs with oxygen tanks. I look forward to the trip!  Unfortunately, many now here, will not get there with us.  But, onward and upward.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on June 22, 2012, 03:28:38 PM
Also, unlike the 501, 3713, and FY, the WW&F has never actively sought general donations to extend the track all at once to 218. Instead, we have always done things incrementally - with the last few fund drives focused on the land prep needed to continue building northward.

While this may not work for "all or nothing" restorations like the 501/3713/FY, we have always done things incrementally - and with great success. It is unfortunate that it takes time, but I remain optimistic that both Richard and John will be able to see the train reach 218. Maybe even pulled by No. 11!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on June 22, 2012, 03:29:02 PM
Unless we can overcome a some significant obstacles, it will be many, many years before we reach Hiway 218. This area also contains the washouts and a bridge. There are many obstacles to pushing northward.
I, too, at my age(75) want to see it happen.
Ira Schreiber
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on August 30, 2012, 08:26:11 PM
Oh I see. plus I don't know if there is a topic here about this but did Head Tide once had a station location there and if or if not it survived, is the location picked at mile post 9 the original location of the depot? Does anyone have any info on this?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on August 30, 2012, 08:34:59 PM
Hi Matt,

Head Tide had a rather sizable (for WW&F standards) station, with an agent, etc. (Sheepscot and Alna Center were unmanned flag stops.) The building was lost many years ago.

The station site is labeled on the above map, near MP9.

The Head Tide station site, however, is north of the famous "red cape" whose property now occupies the right of way. It would take some doing to navigate past it to the actual station site.

(Also, see my response earlier in this thread to your same question.)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on August 30, 2012, 08:43:51 PM
Oh I see. Are there plans in the future to build a replica of the station at Mile Post 9 when the reconstruction of the ROW to Head Tide is completed (In the future).
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on April 26, 2014, 06:21:58 PM
Do my eyes deceive me?  ROW is now ours all the way to Head Tide !!!!!!  Yippee  ;D  Sounds like we need to get crack'in on the bridge design.

Now a couple of important questions; (1) what's the plan to move forward (north), and (2) what's going to be the new northern terminus?  Are we going across 218 and all the way to Head Tide proper or put up a station and runaround just before 218?  Dreaming big I'd love to see going all the way to the old Whitefield station (Big bridge project - I know) but who would have thought we would have gotten this far back in 1995?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on April 26, 2014, 11:19:22 PM
The main limiting factor is the funds required.
Among the other factors limiting expansion is the adversion to crossing Highway 218. This brings us under FRA reporting but the crossing itself is regulated by the State of Maine, not FRA.

My humble opinions, of course.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on April 26, 2014, 11:37:54 PM
The plan is AT LEAST Rt 218.  Head Tide area is in the cards and may happen, but our first focus is a) laying track to Top of the Mountain (this fall), b) the bridge, c) repair of the massive washout on the hillside, and d) restoration of the remainder of the row (at least 3 other washouts that I recall).  Oh and we have to clear the trees and have it graded as well.

During this year we're going to attempt to come up with a realistic cost estimation of the whole project, including to Head Tide.  Depending on the price tag, it may get cut back to 218 or not.  We'll also be coming up with a plan to raise the money.  Feasability of raising the money for the price tag we come up with will determine our course from there.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on April 26, 2014, 11:45:24 PM
I'm glad to hear that Head Tide is in the discussion.  I remember that there were a couple of land parcels that were for sale on both the east and west side of the ROW just north of the cut.  I don't remember whether they sold or not but would be an great place for a station and parking lot for the north end.  I believe one lot was about 2.5 AC and the other almost 3 AC.  If not, could we ever get to the original station site?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 28, 2014, 08:33:24 PM
Hi John,

If you look at some of the preceeding pages you'll see info on getting to the original Head Tide station site which at this point is very unlikely.

Anyway, here's a link to the expansion story written by Susan Johns of the Wiscasset Newspaper.  She visited the railroad over the weekend for interviews with Steve and Jason ...

http://www.wiscassetnewspaper.com/article/picking-steam-alna-railway-museum-s-expansion-hits-milestone/32410#.U16gVN38hXo.facebook
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on April 28, 2014, 08:43:00 PM
Is the parcel really 23 AC or was it a typo and meant to be 2.3 AC.  Even at a 60' ROW, 2.3 AC is a long distance.  If the deal really had to cover 23 AC, is the museum going to retain it, or is the plan to subdivide and keep only the ROW?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Hunt Dowse on April 28, 2014, 09:00:20 PM
That's a good article on the successful purchase of the last piece of the ROW on the way to 218.  Congratulations to everyone involved in making this happen.  And according to the announcement at the SWW, it is indeed 23 acres.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on April 28, 2014, 09:11:33 PM
My understanding (BOD may chime in if they so wish) is that the 23 acres (yes, that is correct) encompasses the ROW and all of Clark parcel to the west of the ROW, and a buffer to the east of the ROW.

This includes the hunting camp on the back portion. The parcel meets (at a corner) land owned by the Sheepscot Valley Conservation Association.

I do not believe the museum has any immediate plans for the property. Although, is nice to have a large parcel that is only accessible by rail, for future museum activities, events, and more.

I will note will great joy that I have created this "official work thread" for our northern expansion. (And I merged in some older, related, topics.)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on April 28, 2014, 09:24:55 PM
That's a good article on the successful purchase of the last piece of the ROW on the way to 218. 
Quite possibly the most correct newspaper article I've ever read!
-John
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on April 28, 2014, 09:32:26 PM
I just thanked the author for her article

How about a Maine version of "Ah Wilderness", the camp along the Durango & Silverton Railroad accessable ONLY by rail. Think of the potential.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on April 28, 2014, 09:34:47 PM
Ed is correct - it is Twenty Three acres.  We offered to buy 23 acres, and drew a line based on the math for the boundary line.  The actual survey hasn't happened yet (we're waiting for the snow to go away), so we don't know exactly where the line is, but we know it's a comfortable distance away from the ROW center line.  The actual ROW on the property is something like 600 feet long.

As for plans for the property - beyond building track and a siding on it, no immediate plans right now.  We're not going to be in a hurry to get rid of it.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 28, 2014, 10:09:41 PM
Ed,

Thanks for putting everything on TOM together.  Glad you didn't call the thread Northern Exposure
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dylan Lambert on April 28, 2014, 10:19:48 PM
Well, tell me when the tracks are going in... I may be poor, but this is one project I don't want to miss.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 28, 2014, 10:49:54 PM
The Fall Work Weekend is when the work is planned.  The weekend is a Friday - Monday event over the Columbus Day weekend.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on April 28, 2014, 10:54:17 PM
Well, tell me when the tracks are going in... I may be poor, but this is one project I don't want to miss.
We have a "Carpool" section of the forum that has been un-utilized. I'm sure if a request is made in advance, someone from your area will be happy to give you a ride. (Heck, if you can get as far as Haverhill, MA - I'll pick you up.) Overnight accommodations at "the Sheepscot Inn" are usually available for $10/night.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on April 29, 2014, 01:14:11 AM
Ira,

I love your idea of a "vacation" camp ala the D&S.  Maybe a "members only" camp as another enticement for volunteers to stay for a spell but to also bring their families along.  Or maybe a WW&F version of the Shady Rest Hotel for those old enough to remember a certain TV show.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on April 29, 2014, 01:39:49 AM
In discussing the camp over the weekend, it was referred to by several folks who have inspected it as "the Porcupine Palace." I'm not certain what that connotes, but I can imagine.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dylan Lambert on April 29, 2014, 03:49:32 AM
Why not make a public campground of it? With some proper promotion, you could get people in... The train gives them something to do in addition to hiking, fishing, yada yada. Problem is if there's enough demand for a campground in the Alna area...
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on April 29, 2014, 10:57:12 AM
I haven't seen the camp, but I was told the building hasn't been maintained in recent years.  I think it's open to the elements, and apparently lots of porcupines have wandered through.  It would require some amount of reconstruction to make it habitable.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 29, 2014, 11:26:22 AM
Noticed this morning that the Wiscasset Newspaper article on the WW&F land purchase, posted on the Museum's facebook page has had close to 1,200 views.  Nice to see the museum getting such good press, especially when the newspaper version hasn't even come out yet.  Thanks to everyone who shared the story on line.  One fellow commented on fb that he's "catching railroad fever"  Hope it's contagious.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on April 29, 2014, 02:14:25 PM
All;
The proposed north/south property line separating our 23 acre lot from Mr. Clark on the preliminary plan drawn by the surveyor is 584.6 +/- feet and grows to 653.6 feet along the western boundary. Those lines are roughly parallel. However, the ROW proceeds from south to north on a westerly angle. So that means the actual ROW is probably greater than 600 feet due to the angle. tTe southerly bound is 1,643.1 +/- feet and the northerly bound is 1,641.2 +/- feet. Mr. Clark retained approxinmately 21+/- acres. Our easterly boundary is very roughly 1215+ feet from Route 218.
Dave
Real Estate & ROW Dept.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Arnold on April 29, 2014, 08:57:54 PM
I just think it would be great for members for work weekends to have a place to pitch a tent for out of state members. As well as if you don't see it from the train and ruin the scenery. Just a stupid question how much row is owned by the museum north of 118?
Mike Arnold
US merchant marine
Www.twinforksnrhs.org
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on April 29, 2014, 10:01:08 PM
We own ROW from the property line of Fossell/Kelly (the Kelly parcel) down to 218, on the other side of 218 (assuming the State owns the road itself) along the river to half-way through Head Tide Church cut.  Then somewhere on the other side of Head Tide Road beyond the Red Cape we own a small chunk of ROW between the cape property and the Alna/Whitefield town line, but I don't know exactly where that is.

Going further north, we own ROW in Whitefield (Kings Mills) from where Rts 218 and 194 meet along the Sheepscot river and then back across 218 to some point further north.  And I think we own another parcel further north, but that's even hazier.

The W&Q owns large chunks of ROW in Whitefield, but I don't know how much and where.  Alna's tax maps helpfully put the WW&F ROW on the maps so that we know where it is.  I know that Whitefield sort of does (as a dashed line) and I don't know about other towns.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dylan Lambert on April 29, 2014, 11:24:19 PM
Alright, that just sounds overly convoluted the farther you get from Top of the Mountain. I would imagine that figuring that out now isn't that important, only because there aren't the available assets to cover a ten-mile operation yet. That, and nothing has been planned out that far yet... I would imagine getting some tracks down into Wiscassett might help with public exposure, but the FRA requirements and whatnot might make that a tad bit more difficult... Not insurmountable, but just a headache.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on April 30, 2014, 12:20:31 AM
I would imagine getting some tracks down into Wiscassett might help with public exposure, but the FRA requirements and whatnot might make that a tad bit more difficult... Not insurmountable, but just a headache.
Dylan,
There are some very substantial difficulties about getting to Wiscasset. There is a place on 218, just north of Old Sheepscot Rd, where the ROW runs parallel to 218 between the highway and a stream. Over the years the road has been widened, and the stream has eroded the ROW. A G-gauge garden railway would fit there, but not anything wider. Further, there are two or three houses that are on the ROW, and I do mean ON.

I'm very much on hopes that a presence on 218, the Turner Centre car at Wiscasset, and publicity in printed and social media around the completion of 9 will get us substantial public exposure. Who knows, maybe someday we can offer a connecting shuttle bus to Maine Eastern trains at Wiscasset. I can see it now - through ticketing Boston to Alna Center!

-John
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dylan Lambert on April 30, 2014, 12:54:39 AM
I would imagine getting some tracks down into Wiscassett might help with public exposure, but the FRA requirements and whatnot might make that a tad bit more difficult... Not insurmountable, but just a headache.
Dylan,
There are some very substantial difficulties about getting to Wiscasset. There is a place on 218, just north of Old Sheepscot Rd, where the ROW runs parallel to 218 between the highway and a stream. Over the years the road has been widened, and the stream has eroded the ROW. A G-gauge garden railway would fit there, but not anything wider. Further, there are two or three houses that are on the ROW, and I do mean ON.

I'm very much on hopes that a presence on 218, the Turner Centre car at Wiscasset, and publicity in printed and social media around the completion of 9 will get us substantial public exposure. Who knows, maybe someday we can offer a connecting shuttle bus to Maine Eastern trains at Wiscasset. I can see it now - through ticketing Boston to Alna Center!

-John
That would be a problem, wouldn't it? Well, unless someone wants to plan out a deviation-level project...
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on June 29, 2014, 12:35:12 AM
Some photos that are posted on Facebook:

Mike starting down the ramp:
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Mike turning the ceremonial first bucketful, for my camera:
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This was Mike's progress after 2+ hours of work:
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Expect to see railroad track getting laid here on Fall Work Weekend!!!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Larsen on June 29, 2014, 12:58:51 AM
Mike:  How far did you get today?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 29, 2014, 01:53:41 AM
Loading up the excavator last weekend 6/21/14 for the trip to the end of track. The flat cars have their brake wheels at opposite ends so the excavator was loaded on flat 126 and then backed onto flat 118 in the yard.

Prepping the ramp on the North Yard lead.

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Mike heading up the ramp and onto car 126.

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Switching cars around for the transfer between cars

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The car switch

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Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on June 29, 2014, 02:42:59 AM
The flat cars have their brake wheels at opposite ends so the excavator was loaded on flat 126 and then backed onto flat 118 in the yard.

So that explains it! I had been wondering why it was loaded onto 126 and then moved north on 118, and now it all makes sense.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on June 29, 2014, 03:32:12 AM
I note that Prebles is in a new location. When was that moved?
Dave
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 29, 2014, 11:12:34 AM
During the Spring Work Weekend.  It was easy to skid on the mud!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 30, 2014, 12:14:39 AM
Eric,

110 Fred Feet. And another joint bar after you were up there.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 14, 2014, 03:19:15 AM
Pictures from Sunday 7/13/14.

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Looking south up the mainline grade.

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Looking south from the end of the siding.

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Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 14, 2014, 11:38:56 PM
Thanks for the pictures Brendan. I encountered a very soft spot that had me stuck for a few minutes, About 1 foot of very wet top soil. I am hoping the ditch cures the problem, along with removing the topsoil. If not, we may need a culvert about where I stopped widening Saturday.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on July 15, 2014, 11:03:58 AM
If we can dig out the wet spot we could put Two or Three rows of the 4 inch drainage tiles in that area. That would dry it out if there is a small spring involved. We could use them up before people smash any more.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 20, 2014, 01:22:35 AM
Once again I forgot to take pictures, but I managed another 100 Fred feet of Main Line and siding cleared off of topsoil and stumps, with the west ditch cleaned. There was plenty of water there from the recent rain, Stewart says was about 2 inches. And due to the soft ground, I was unable to smooth things up with the blade on the excavator.

 But on the archeology side, department of trinkets and treasures, I feel it was an interesting day. I found what must have been a guide for a throw rod for the switch. Also, I found a brake hanging bracket that would bolt onto the frame of a freight truck. Also, I found several 30 pound joint bars, all broken. That is correct. 30 pound rail. There was a question today of rail size. So comparing what I found to a dimensional chart Dana had, 3 1/8 tall rail is 30 pound. These are the joint bars we have been finding all along, accept the 56 pound one I found a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 20, 2014, 09:03:42 PM
Here's a picture taken from the 2:30 train:
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Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on July 20, 2014, 09:31:27 PM
Beginning to look more like a "mucking out" job than earth-moving.  I'd guess that more than 1 culvert is going to be needed here.  How bad is it Mike?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 20, 2014, 10:05:49 PM
Believe it or not, there is a bottom to the muck. I think they had a French drain there at one time, which plugged up with the mucky topsoil. The ditch to the right on James' photo should take care of it.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 24, 2014, 02:05:08 AM
Trinkets and treasures department saw the addition of these 3 56-60 lb joint bars last weekend. Dug out of the ditch where the camp road crossed last weekend.

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Also spotted some new rail in Sheepscot

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Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 01, 2014, 08:39:14 PM
Now that's one of the prettiest frogs I've seen in a while..............   
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 01, 2014, 09:26:10 PM
Ribbit!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on September 01, 2014, 09:33:43 PM
With all the clay and mud at the Top of the mountain, I guess the frog will croak or say knee-deep, knee-deep, knee-deep!!!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 01, 2014, 10:58:48 PM
Careful Guys!  Don't want to get flagged and sent to the "whimsical" camp again for re-education  ;)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on September 01, 2014, 11:32:25 PM
It's a nice camp. I always go back there!
Looks like alot of great things going on up there. Hope I can make it up there sometime this fall.

John
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 08, 2015, 12:36:24 AM
A couple of photos from today.

First, the work train at Top of Mountain after the run-around.
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Next, Mike makes good use of the crane to put big pieces into place:
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Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 08, 2015, 12:52:33 AM
The dozer took a trip to the North end today. I managed to get what I wanted done, though I had to hustle to do it. I would have rather the excavator too for the ditches, but managed to open them up with the dozer.


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Loaded and ready to head north.


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Running around and getting ready to build the ramp.


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There was a skidder road across the ROW here that I had to push back up the bank. Then put the ditch back. Washout is just beyond the white vertical board in the distance. The while board is on the center for that curve.


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Looking South toward Top of the Mountain.


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Ditches are a little soupy


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Both shots looking North



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Dozer parked and ready to head south with the diesel. It was getting dark fast, and at 4:30 when I made it back, all outside lights were on.



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A little muddy
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 08, 2015, 02:30:16 AM
Mike, you done some  damn good dirt pushing!
TOM-north ROW work has officially started. :D
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on November 08, 2015, 04:13:08 AM
That's an impressive amount of grading done in a very short time! How far is it to the first washout?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 08, 2015, 01:12:24 PM
650 feet from the current end of track to the leading edge of the washout.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 08, 2015, 03:07:11 PM
Wow, 650 feet of north bound track sounds like a good Fall Work Weekend project for our esteemed track crew team.

Brakie Bill
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 10, 2015, 07:09:29 PM
How about an excellent SPRING Trackwork Weekend coming up?
Mike does some impressive eyeball grading and ditching.
Just as long as Case-y Jones doesn't get stuck!  ;)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on November 10, 2015, 07:41:52 PM
Mike, will the stumps in or near the drainage ditches get pulled out?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 11, 2015, 01:36:46 AM
Yes Dave. Kubota will handle what I did not get with the dozer. Accept the larger ones. I almost had one on the west slope out, but was digging a hole in the grade so I quit. Trying to keep what we can as it was when the RR was in service.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 11, 2015, 01:53:02 AM
Spring work weekend will concentrate on getting the North Yard and the car barn tracks into good shape.  And maybe extending the Woods Track!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 02, 2016, 11:30:22 PM
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Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on January 06, 2016, 10:31:11 PM
 James or Mike, Will the new siding at the top of TOM be on the west side of the mail line?  Look forward to pictures of woods crew clearing more area.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on January 11, 2016, 02:47:46 PM
Yes, plans are to build a new siding to serve the future "mills at TOM on the west side, of the main line.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 11, 2016, 11:16:06 PM
Sorry I missed your question Fred. See James' photo from this weekend for the location.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on January 23, 2016, 10:36:32 PM
 Mike, In last few weeks of January the woods crew has been clearing a area for the new mills spur and field for special events at TOM.  Will they possibly try to remove some of the small trees along the 650 feet of graded R. O. W. this winter?  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 23, 2016, 11:42:09 PM
Fred,
The plan is to focus on the clearing for the field and mill site. The ROW was cut probably 7 or 8 years ago.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 06, 2016, 12:34:47 AM
Clearing progress at Top of the Mountain. Fred and Steve Z. measured and came up with a little over half an acre cleared so far.

Pictures taken from the south switch. First picture looks west from the tracks down the property line. Second picture is looking north towards the old camp road to Porcupine Palace.

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Looking north from the south end of the clearing. The diesel is sitting on the first crossover switch. The crane is parked at the present end of the main line.

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Looking east from the western edge of the clearing.

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Picture from the east side of the tracks about the mid point of the siding.

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Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on March 06, 2016, 02:43:52 AM
Wow that's impressive. Great work, everyone!

Is the big tree in the middle (looks like a red maple) being retained as a shade tree?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 06, 2016, 03:04:12 AM
 Put Fred's chair beside it and it won't get cut down.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Fortier on March 06, 2016, 04:50:41 AM
A panorama shot.

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Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on March 06, 2016, 12:26:58 PM
When its done, this will make a nice large level field for the siding, shingle mill, and saw mill and anything else we plan on in the future. It probably was a field years ago.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 06, 2016, 01:01:39 PM
Hi Philip,

The lone tree is a poplar, we didn't cut it when we cleared that section due to wind from the west.  We plan to cut it next weekend.  It is a pretty tree, too bad it's not a maple but there isn't much maple on the lot.

Stewart
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on March 06, 2016, 05:00:43 PM
Thanks, Stewart!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on March 06, 2016, 07:09:56 PM
It probably was a field years ago.

Yes -- poplar and balsam fir plus a few white pine sounds like an old field, or at least an old clear cut. The number of rings on the pine stumps will tell you how long ago it was, because the pines will always be the oldest component of a mixed stand like that.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 06, 2016, 07:33:48 PM
Lots of older rotted stumps from trees harvested probably 30 years ago. Older aerial photos show the cutting that was done back around the 50's
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on March 06, 2016, 10:11:24 PM
Older aerial photos show the cutting that was done back around the 50's

That sounds about right, judging from the DBH of the pines.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 07, 2016, 04:51:53 PM
Adding to the notes about the field at TOM, we found a 10' piece of line fence when clearing trees a couple months ago.  The line fence was right where it had been along the edge of the railroad owned land about 50' north of the old road.  (This is near the south switch)  The line fence was a wire on post type fence and the wire had hand made barbs which probably dates to the 1920's or earlier.  We saved the piece and may have it on display once the saw mill building is built.   We consider this further proof that the land at TOM was open pasture back in the early part of the 20th century.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard Cavalloro on March 07, 2016, 06:04:42 PM
Has anyone run a metal detector around there?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 13, 2016, 11:37:06 PM
Today, Jason and I had a meeting with the Army Corps of Engineers. We took him down the mountain to the brook, discussing what we would like to do, need to do, and what we would have to do.
The whole reason for the invite for the sitewalk, was to answer our question, of do they need to give us a permit. The short answer is yes.

The longer answer is complex. But to keep it simple, anything that disturbs the soil, bank to bank in a stream needs a permit through them. Part of the clean water act.
What I had decided before we met, is we should permit in sections. Only get permits for what we can reasonably do before the permit expires. The first section will involve the Fossel Washout, and a small cross pipe just north of the Fossel property line, and will stop before the slide.

Next section would consist of the slide. No Army Corps involvement there, but I suspect a DEP permit may be needed. Third section would include the next two washouts, and perhaps make it to the approach to the bridge. This third section may be split, depending on the type of work we decide to do at one of the washouts.

The two washouts will need to have plans for the approval from Army Corps. We can't just drop in a pipe, throw in some gravel and continue. Nothing we can't handle, but needs to be planned out and the plan followed.

The first washout north of the slide will be a substatially larger project than I thought, and there will be much discussion before we actually decide what to do there.

Next, I need to schedule a walk with DEP...




Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Benjamin Campbell on October 14, 2016, 12:23:12 AM
Exciting to be talking about it despite the regulatory headaches we will encounter. Would there be any advantage to head south from 218 as well – have two rail heads working toward each other? Getting the bridge in sooner than latter could be advantageous in working on the uphill stretch? Having a presence on 218 sooner than later could be advantageous marketing wise? We seem to have plenty of rail and it has been my impression at the few work weekend that I have been able to attend that there are more than enough eager track workers to have labor on two rail heads – particularly given that there will be no switches.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 14, 2016, 01:41:48 AM
Not really. If we start at 218, we have an instant major expense, a bridge. And with no connection to the rest of the railroad, any rail equipment used would need to be hauled up to the northern location.
But, we are still in the planning stages, and anything is possible.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Glenn Christensen on October 15, 2016, 09:44:33 PM
Hi Mike,

Thanks to you and Jason, for your transparency and for continuing to be so proactive as regards museum growth and expansion.


Sincerely,
Glenn
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 15, 2016, 10:47:41 PM
[Moderator's Note]
I moved a portion of this discussion to the members-only section.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 14, 2017, 01:10:45 AM
I am pleased to announce our permit through Army Corps of Engineers has been approved. This permit will cover the dirtwork needed to get us up to within sight of the slide.

The official paperwork is enroute to President Zuppa and he should see it this weekend.

Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on March 14, 2017, 02:04:22 AM
Nice work Mike! Your time and efforts are greatly appreciated. Now that you've gone through the learning curve the next one should be a bit easier.
Dave
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on March 14, 2017, 05:11:31 AM
That's great news, Mike! Thank you for working through the bureaucracy for us to make sure it's done the right way.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on March 14, 2017, 06:49:11 PM
That's terrific, Mike!  Thanks!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on March 14, 2017, 10:30:31 PM
Great job, Mike. Dealing with any Government can be quite frustrating as I did it for over 20 years.
Ira
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 15, 2017, 12:15:52 AM
Good work, Mike. It takes someone with a lot of patience and perseverance to deal with government agencies. Thanks for taking this on. Without, progress would grind to a halt.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on March 15, 2017, 04:36:44 AM
Great news. Thanks, Mike.
I see two busy WW&F years ahead.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Glenn Christensen on March 15, 2017, 01:04:32 PM
This old Government Contractor is impressed with the proactivity you folks display in your dealings with the various regulatory agencies. 

Your attitude is both responsible and mature.

There can be great benefits to all parties when everyone is on the same page and surprises can be kept to a minimum.


Cheers Guys,
Glenn
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on March 15, 2017, 02:25:48 PM
I see two busy WW&F years ahead.

Every year is always busy - with something.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on March 15, 2017, 02:34:10 PM
Congratulations Mike. Job well done.

We should also note that much of the capital necessary for this phase of the project was raised by a challenge grant sponsored by the Emery Rail Heritage Trust (http://emeryrailheritagetrust.com/ (http://emeryrailheritagetrust.com/)). This foundation was created by John H. Emery, who was an avid enthusiast who loved rail travel - especially those sites whose mission was to recreate the passenger experience from about 1920 to 1960. The WW&F served a vital link in the first decade of this era, allowing residents of the rural Sheepscot Valley to connect to the Maine Central, whose trains could whisk them off to Portland, Boston, or even New York City.

The trust also values our commitment to involve youth in our projects. The fact that we have four volunteers under the age of 18 who qualify for a 2016 Governor's Youth Volunteer Award (each with over 100 hours of service given during the year) is very impressive. Coupled with our successful college internship over the last two years (and her continued involvement as a volunteer) greatly exemplifies the virtues important to Mr. Emery of passing our love for railroading on to the next generation.

I understand that the orders for the materials needed to begin work have been placed. Thanks to the Emery Rail Heritage Trust, and the members who gave to the Fall Fundraiser, for making this a reality.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on March 15, 2017, 04:04:00 PM
I'll expand on Ed's comment by stating that this year's Annual Fund Drive financed the match for the Emery grant.  The first $5000 that came in was set aside as the match.  I never got that list to John to publish in the newsletter, but it did go to the Trust.  This is the first time we've done this with the fund drive, use it to match a grant.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on April 04, 2017, 06:51:34 PM
Just getting caught up on this thread. Let me echo the thanks to Mike for getting through the governmental red tape. Question to James, do you see using the Annual Fund Drive to match future grants?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on April 04, 2017, 07:35:45 PM
I'll take that question...
We already leverage the success of the fund drive in all of our grant applications. Usually there is a question that boils down to "how are you going to raise the remaining funds to complete the project?" Our answer is almost always "through our highly successful Fall Fundraiser." So, in a sense, there has always been a "match" through the Fall Fundraiser for most of our grants.

That said, the ERHT grant was unique in that their funds could not be released until the match was raised, and that the funds to be matched had to come as part of a new effort. (In other words, we could not leverage funds already raised for the project, nor use their grant to pay off loans related to the project - such as the rail purchase.) The trustees of ERHT agreed that doing the match through our Fall Fundraiser met their requirements, and we thank them for their flexibility and generosity.

That said, I have some exciting news to share in regards to another grant proposal for a different WW&F project. Stay tuned...
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 07, 2017, 12:00:07 PM
Got word from the pipe company this week that our pipes are ready for delivery. I will set a date in a couple of weeks when I know the arrival will timed correctly as to not interfere with 3 leaving
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 13, 2017, 08:47:54 PM
Friday, Jason and I met with the DEP. The rep for our area and a fairly new rep for DEP. She was in training, or at least he was showing her what to look for.

We started at the Fossel washout. They determined that was a stream, so a Permit by Rule applied. This is their lowest permit, and easiest to get.

We continued to the next two locations I had identified for this years work. Nothing to be concerned with at either location, except that we have to keep track of the square footage of the wetland area we disturb at both locations. Minimal. We are allowed 4300 sq ft. Above that, we will need to apply for through a bigger permit.
Next we walked to the slide. I am amazed that neither the Army Corps or the DEP are concerned about that. No permit required. We just need to be mindfull of runoff, and control erosion.
We proceded North. Yet another spot I identified as wanting a small cross culvert. Same as before. Keep track of the square footage of wetland.

Next, we arrived at a pinch point, as Jason calls it. This is a location of a slide that happened after the railroad shut down, but before it was logged in the 50's 60's. The roadbed slid into the brook. We want to do minimal work here but due to the location, we need to have a larger permit. It will be scrutinized more by the DEP, and we will have a lot more prep in the permit apllication itself.

Once past this pinch point, we were back to permit by rule culvert installation.

We were in for another surprise as we worked our way to the bridge. The ditch on the East side is classified as a stream. We are within 25 feet of that "stream" for approximately 500 feet. This also meets the criteria for the larger permit.

We then arrived at the bridge site. A brief review of what Army Corps had said and then we listened to Lucien, the DEP rep. "Permit by Rule" he said, for the bridge crossing. Jason almost sighed audibly. What a relief.

So after our arrival back at the house (DEP headed back to their office) Jason and I started brain storming. And we are still talking about ideas. Jason has locked onto an idea he wants to check into more that may be the best, simplest, and most cost effective way of ensuring we reach 218.

I am glad we had this walk and talk. It was very informative, and we learned a lot. Now to get things going for our first permit needed for this year.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on May 13, 2017, 11:42:06 PM
Many thanks, Mike, for your perseverance and hard work on this.  And thank you, too, Jason, for all your work as well.

This is a big deal.  Through Mike's initiative, we now have a clear, manageable regulatory path to follow to allow expansion of the railroad down the mountain.  Most organizations would have had to hire professional services to navigate the state and federal regulatory maze, at considerable cost.  We're very fortunate Mike and Jason chose to take this on.

This is a critical step for our museum's continued growth.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 14, 2017, 12:30:31 AM
We will be lookng for additional help when the time comes with the larger permit to help with the application process.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on May 14, 2017, 02:57:19 AM
Great news and glad we have chosen to do it by the book and get the proper parties involved. Looking forward to the fruit it bears.
People have told me I'm pretty good at paperwork, proofreading and writing, so I'd be happy to help in any way I can.
Steve
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on May 14, 2017, 01:05:25 PM
If I can be a help on the paperwork, please count me in as well.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on May 14, 2017, 01:50:23 PM
It sounds like it was a very productive meeting with the DEP.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on May 14, 2017, 02:41:19 PM
Great results on what could have been a long and arduous path.
I am very encouraged by what has been accomplished to date and my thanks for all the work.
Onward to 218.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on May 14, 2017, 03:00:37 PM
Nice job guys!  I think the biggest break we got was the "by rule" decision on the bridge.  That could have been a real pain in the .......!  Also, the slide we got off easy.  Still say a bulkhead with sheet piling and deadmen will be the best and easiest way to go.  We have a lot of contractors in the area that can do marine bulkheads - really not any different except no ocean.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 16, 2017, 01:26:42 AM
I was asked, so here is the map of Section 1. This will be the only section I show for now, because we are focusing on this area this year, and we have a set plan. I need to go for a walk again Saturday and get pictures of every location we have identified in need of repair.

Location 1. Fossel Washout. 48" Steel Culvert, 45 feet long. About 150 yards of fill.

Location 2. 18 inch culvert. Fill in washed out section of ROW. About 20 yards.

Location 3. 12 Inch cross culvert. About 100 feet south of the slide. Will need to RipRap the outlet down the steep bank to prevent erosion in the future.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Mountain%20Section%201_zpsaoz0maxr.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on May 16, 2017, 02:19:20 PM
Mike,

Any estimated timeframe as to when each location will be worked on?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 16, 2017, 04:01:57 PM
This year. We can't start until mid July. All pipe work and ditching needs to be done by Oct. 1.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on May 16, 2017, 05:00:51 PM
I have dreamed a plan.

Using all tip cars, run to end of track and dump in place.
Bulldoze the piles into the washout.
Return train to loading point. Use the Kabota Dragon to fill.
Load tip cars and repeat until filled.

This assumes the fill material is closer than Alna.

OK, it's only a dream.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on May 16, 2017, 08:37:35 PM
Oct 1st? - Aargh....  That kind of knocks out getting a bunch done on FWW where we would have more people with heavy equipment experience to help out.  I sometimes worry that we have too much to do with too few hands available.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 16, 2017, 08:56:42 PM
Well John, all Permittable work has to be done by Oct. 1. No permit needed to add fill above the culvert, as long as nothing falls into or disturbs the permitted area.

We will see what happens though. We may be ambitious enough this summer and have it ready for track FWW.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on May 16, 2017, 11:34:44 PM
Yes, GO for track work on FWW.  That should be the summer objective (IMHO).
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on May 17, 2017, 01:38:22 AM
The work window of July to Oct 1 is set by regulation, not us.

While I've been involved on the periphery of the planning process to reconstruct the railroad down the mountain; Mike has been at the center of it for several years.  The amount of foresight and planning required of him to integrate multiple permitting agencies, railroad operational needs, equipment needs, material supply needs, etc, has been staggering.  To say he's been doing an admiral job would be a ridiculous understatement. 

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on May 17, 2017, 01:51:59 AM
Not knowing the manpower needs for the preparation aspects of this undertaking, I wonder if it would work to schedule a couple of "informal" summer work weekends focusing exclusively on this project. I can't imagine that 40 or 50 people would be needed, but it would be nice to count on 15 or 20 folks(?).
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on May 17, 2017, 02:58:53 AM
Wayne,
That  is a great idea. Clever of you to have thought of it.
Bill
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 17, 2017, 10:38:49 AM
Organizing a work weekend like that would be great, but puts added pressure onto getting it done. I would hate to have even a dozen people show up on a scheduled day and not be ready.

I would like to thank Jason for his kind words. I have been thinking about this for years, and now Jason is stepping up his involvement, and helping organize my notes with his, thus enabling a better picture for future plans.

We haven't got this years project started yet and I am already thinking of what to permit for next year..
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on May 17, 2017, 11:29:15 AM
I certainly did not intend to add any pressure on Mike or anyone else by my suggestion above. As I said, I don't know the manpower requirements for this particular project. It may be that one or two people is all that's necessary since machines will do a great deal of the work. But if a larger cohort is needed for some part of it, an e-mail or Facebook blast might be the best way to bring in the necessary volunteers.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on May 17, 2017, 11:53:07 AM
I believe there may be a time for that- but probably not this time.  Mike has broken the entire stretch of mainline down the mountain into a series of segments or sections.  This year is the first section, and the work required during the mandated work window is all machine work.  Some work stages of some sections will require a major hand work effort, but at the moment it looks like those efforts don't need to be held to the mandated work window.  As such, Mike has been aiming those for the existing work weekends.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 17, 2017, 03:08:20 PM
Wayne, it is possible to do, and we will know better by mid August. The big pipe job will consume quite a number of days. There will be a couple of days where an extra hand or several will be needed. Setting the pipe and prepping it for backfill.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on May 17, 2017, 11:24:13 PM
Mike, I think if you put out a call a couple of days before you need them, you can muster some additional help.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on May 20, 2017, 08:37:08 PM
Mike...Myself, maybe others, would be interested in knowing the timeline and specific areas, steps, of further work needed on the extending mainline.  It should help potential track, washout, trestle and slide workers to be available when the time for each project arrives.
I worked for construction companies, estimated for subs. The details, scheduling, coordination are guaranteed difficult.
If we knew more details here, I'm certain your job as overall work superintendent would have fewer wrinkles.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 21, 2017, 12:33:47 AM
Details for anything other than the planned work for this year have yet to be worked out. We have 3 big projects up there where funds will determine how much and how fast we get it done. One I can speak of is the slide. But even the planned details of that are not in stone. I was offered the use of a piece of equipment today that will help that project and several others along, but am unsure if it would be practical to use. I have got to do some thinking on it, and discuss with the board what to do.

The other two projects we are still working on details on, and won't discuss them here yet. I met today with a contractor for both projects, and that is when I was offered the equipment.

And I try to plan work for when we will have bodies around, like work weekends, because I like seeing everyone busy, and everyone that comes likes to help.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on May 21, 2017, 04:03:24 AM
Gotcha. Good luck.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on May 21, 2017, 08:06:40 PM
Maybe a detailed article is due sometime, showing the work that lies ahead so all of the members can get a good understanding and full appreciation on what we need to do, etc.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard Cavalloro on May 21, 2017, 09:37:23 PM
I have 4 days off between shifts, if I had some notice I could be there weekdays to help out
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on May 21, 2017, 09:57:52 PM
Paul, et. al.
I have worked with Mike and he is a good planner and working foreman. Have no doubts on his abilities, he is capable.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 26, 2017, 12:51:04 AM
I have been spending my free time the last 2 weeks getting the DEP permit ready, and expect to mail it out Tuesday. That is probably about the same time I can start to see straight again..
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on May 26, 2017, 04:38:55 AM
Ira...I have absolutely every confidence Mike is competent. His many work successes  show it.

The concern here is there are so many challenges and variables to continuing track building north:
<thinking out the project's carefully staged  planning done by Mike 
<plowing through all the bureaucratic paperwork also done by Mike
<obeying physical/time limits imposed  by the government at washout sites
<marshaling available volunteer manpower when needed
<getting enough materials
<timely organizing and rail-moving all the heavy, dirty pieces/parts needed
<prioritizing, postponing other projects
<Mike's personal involvement in building some of the rail equipment needed, etc.
In my experience with projects of varying complexity, this one, while not large scale,  is just as challenging  due to its remoteness, limited, part-time labor, working around and manning scheduled passenger runs.

My point, also others, is to  publicize desired work at designated times for workers to plan involvement  per their lives and obligations, realizing disruptive challenges will probably pop up,  progress  depending on
luck, good weather, no catastropes.
 OPERATION WASHOUTS   WILL SUCCEED!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on May 26, 2017, 10:12:42 AM
The fortunate thing for us, is both volunteers and members are anxious to go down the mountain, so I personally think that we will have no issues coordinating desired help. Track building materials will most likely be moved North sometime this year to aid in laying track once the first hole is filled.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 26, 2017, 10:55:50 AM
One thing I love about the museum. If you look back through the history of it, any challenge that it faced was tackled. Time and money are the two biggest drivers.

If you look at the mountain project as several smaller challenges, they suddenly seem achievable, one by one. Yes, I have done a lot of leg work, and Jason has started leg work on another portion of the project, to get things ready for us to work.

We will keep inching North. Two feet at a tme. ????
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on May 26, 2017, 11:38:02 AM
Hopefully more like one rail at a time.  ;D
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on May 26, 2017, 02:08:00 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with Joe's comment above concerning the interest and desire of the membership to press on northward despite the apparent obstacles. One thing that I've learned during the 15 years or so of involvement is that the Board and the nearby members do a lot of forward planning and preparation work. They make sure that materials are stockpiled in advance so that little time is wasted running back and forth, and they set reasonable goals. Then when the larger volunteer contingents arrive, they can get right to work rather than spending precious time locating, collecting and moving materials to the front line.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on May 26, 2017, 06:40:40 PM
A good summation of the work ethic of the WW&F.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on May 27, 2017, 02:26:38 AM
A friend of mine visited for his first time during the spring work weekend. And I quote, "wow, this place is incredible." He was absolutely amazed with our volunteer force, how hard everyone works, and the most incredible part, no one is really barking orders. And when faced with a mechanical glitch guys stepped up and hand tamped. Not because they wanted to, but because they wanted it to get done. That is the spirit of the WW&F. I told him if he thought tamping and spreading stone is impressive, you should see us lay rail. Dana has it all worked out like a Swiss watch.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on May 29, 2017, 11:49:00 PM
Let's hope Stephen Hussar re-posts his picture of eagle-eye Dana preparing the track for Class 8 use.
-John M
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on May 30, 2017, 12:11:03 AM
Let's hope Stephen Hussar re-posts his picture of eagle-eye Dana preparing the track for Class 8 use.
-John M

Yes, that was a classic shot.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 30, 2017, 01:51:51 AM
DEP permit departs ROWMOW Mfg. Tuesday enroute to Augusta. A copy has been made and will be in the house.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on May 30, 2017, 10:25:01 AM
I think he was gesturing, "we're number one!" ;-)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4224/34761801262_4275abe010_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on May 30, 2017, 02:13:48 PM
DEP permit departs ROWMOW Mfg. Tuesday enroute to Augusta. A copy has been made and will be in the house.

So, I take it that phase 1 of fixing the washouts is a go?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on May 30, 2017, 02:40:05 PM
As the saying goes;  No job is complete until the paperwork is done  ;)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on May 30, 2017, 03:18:23 PM
"Someone help me up, I gotta go." is the photo caption.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on May 30, 2017, 03:27:39 PM
A couple of questions regarding "down the mountain to Trout Brook".  Is there enough rail on hand to make it to Trout Brook?  Secondly, regarding the missing bridge, are there any photos of that span when the railroad was still active?  Also, is the plan to bring in a used bridge, fabricate one, or what when the time comes to span that waterway?  Or.....are my questions too far down the road past the current planning?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on May 30, 2017, 04:05:36 PM
Last year we bought 1.5 track miles of rail, so there's more than enough to get down the hill.  Regarding the missing bridge, we can't talk about that at this time.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on May 30, 2017, 10:50:19 PM
There are photos of the original bridge in several books. Both the collapsed version, and standing version.

From our current end of track to Trout Brook is about a half mile.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 31, 2017, 01:35:06 AM
From my Saturday measurements. End of track (not in service, actual end of completed rail) 2564. Trout Brook, 5344(ish, didn't want to get my feet wet), center of span.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 04, 2017, 07:52:16 PM
Anticipated work at the washout for the next month.

6/17. Clean up, unless I have a guest at the RR. Move 4 lengths of rail and ties north (between trains?) to lay a temporary track to set the pipes in.

6/24. More prep. Build track.

7/1 2-18"x20' and 2-12"x20' culverts and 6 bales of hay will be needed to move to EOT for staging. All these will be used during the installation of the big pipe.

7/8. Final prep if any.

7/15 Move excavator North and start work.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 04, 2017, 10:26:40 PM
Two more weeks...and so it begins!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Benjamin Campbell on June 05, 2017, 11:42:01 AM
Mike - are there some good size rocks in the bottom of the washout which will need to be moved in order to lay the pipe? It's been several years since I've been down in there but that was my memory.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 05, 2017, 12:51:07 PM
Not too big that I have seen. I am hoping for no surprizes, but won't really know until I start moving material out of the bottom.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 11, 2017, 02:02:52 AM
I wanted to wait until after I told the board to say this. The DEP Permit has been approved as submitted for the first section.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on June 11, 2017, 02:22:13 AM
Congratulations Mike! You're a guy who can excavate government paperwork as well as dirt, gravel, etc.
-John M
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on June 11, 2017, 01:34:11 PM
Great, get er down the mountain!
Mike Nix
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 17, 2017, 06:29:56 PM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0617171416_Burst01_zpsvwjkaw28.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0617171417_zpsmhxkzeu1.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 20, 2017, 10:22:09 PM
Please explain this last pic.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on June 20, 2017, 10:55:33 PM
I believe it is the first rail to be laid on 10/4 of the FWW.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on June 20, 2017, 11:33:14 PM
Negative. It is a joke from Emperor of the North. "A No. 1 to Portland, on the 19. His name is on the tower, I scene it." A #1 jokes have been appearing in many places at the museum over the years.

This material is needed on hand before the work weekend so Dad can unload the excavator and begin work.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Chuck Watford on June 21, 2017, 04:11:53 AM
(http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/500/1973emperorofthenorthpole7.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on June 21, 2017, 05:08:43 AM
Just curious- Was anyone else bothered by the use of a logging mikado to represent a mainline engine in this movie, or is that just me? and the soundtrack is pretty awful- should be more like "Oh Brother"...

On a serious note, nice work Mike!!!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on June 21, 2017, 09:33:26 PM
I like my definition better.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on June 22, 2017, 12:32:17 AM
Stephen, that didnt bother me nearly as much as the firebox door being left open the entire time. There were a few hollywood dramatized moments but its one of my favorite railroad films.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on June 22, 2017, 04:30:53 PM
No 19 is now at Jerry Jacobson's Age of Steam Roundhouse in Ohio

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4278/35428167106_c0098ec4d5_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 02, 2017, 12:54:00 AM
Some shots of the culvert relocation project today.
Fred insisted we get them out of the parking lot, and said if we were going to move them, lets move them to TOM. So they are there. 4 trips because we only have one flatcar. The other one is still being repaired.
Fred was concerned with the possibility of the culverts walking off, being so handy to the road in the parking lot. Not any more. He said he plans to dismantle the rack they were on this week.

 (http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0701171202_zpsztpibtqb.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0701171306_zpsyiiofxee.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0701171527_zps9maa8fxo.jpg)

And nothing beats a happy Fred.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0701171528_zpsnjh1lm12.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 02, 2017, 01:29:03 PM
Those are some large culverts. Nice to seem them at TOM.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 03, 2017, 05:03:27 AM
Nice work, guys. Those sections look clumsy to handle.
Will the Fossel washout rebuild get a single run of pipe...or two side by side, since there are short linkup? sections shown?

Hey, a snoopervisor's life ain't  easy!  ;D
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 03, 2017, 04:43:44 PM
The two sections that are in the right of my second to last photo will be installed end to end, with the clamping band tying them together, for an overall length of 45 feet. The sections are 22 1/2 feet long. I could have ordered the full lenth of 45 feet in one section, but handling was a concern. The other two pieces of pipe are for a washout further north. We were able to save on shipping by purchasing all pipes needed from this supplier at the same time.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 03, 2017, 05:56:11 PM
Thanks, wasn't sure of the plan. Makes total sense, construction/economy-wise.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 09, 2017, 11:32:13 PM
Did a little clearing today. Top picture is a panoramic shot, looking from the East side.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0709171418_Pano_zpskjttgbqr.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0709171417_zpsghz1odhk.jpg)

Looking South

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0709171416b_zpsrqzaaqeq.jpg)

Looking South

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0709171416a_zpsvzghwyxu.jpg)

Looking South

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0709171415_zpsajinz7ki.jpg)

Looking North

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0709171344_zpsxqntk6xs.jpg)

Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on July 10, 2017, 01:02:09 AM
Great pix, Mike! Next time you are there, can you bring along an assistant to stand in mid-trench so that the depth is more obvious? A stand-in, as it were. ;D
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 10, 2017, 01:23:51 AM
My turn:  HWMNBN nominates Kielbasa Dave for the task!   ::)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on July 10, 2017, 04:12:14 AM
I know those holes are much bigger in reality than they appear in the pictures, so I agree a scale of some kind would be useful for those who haven't seen them in person.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on July 10, 2017, 04:26:34 AM
Unfortunately Mr. HWMNBN, only the president can make such designations. Careful, you might find yourself appointed to another blue ribbon committee.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 10, 2017, 08:29:47 AM
Scale? Well those grade stakes are atleast 3 feet tall...
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on July 10, 2017, 09:54:39 AM
Looks like a whole lot of clearing will be needed in the future as track gets down to that spot.  Time to call "Rent a Beaver"?   ;D
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on July 10, 2017, 10:33:33 AM
Nah, we just call in Fred. :)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 10, 2017, 10:33:56 PM
It is all cleared through there. We are leaving as many trees as possible from this point North. This will cut down on the amount of mowing, and help meet the criteria for operating near the brook.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on July 10, 2017, 11:54:09 PM
Save the trees for feed stock for our saw mill.  Log trains into mill and flats of lumber out.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 11, 2017, 12:25:41 AM
That topography is not quite as simple as I pictured. Should be a satisfying challenge.  ;)

And another thing...how about a hint--who is HWMNBN?
And why??  ;D ???
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 13, 2017, 03:12:09 AM
who is HWMNBN?
And why??  ;D ???

He Who Must Not Be Named.

I'm not sure why; you'd have to ask him.   ;D
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 13, 2017, 10:58:36 AM
Excavator will head North Saturday to start work.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 13, 2017, 11:11:34 AM
A certain member has had a fondness in the past to offer up my name as a volunteer when various work tasks are announced on the forum.  When that happens, I reply "please do not use my name," and change my avatar to HWMNBN.  It's a Harry Potter reference.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on July 13, 2017, 01:02:29 PM
You work plenty hard Bill even if you CANNOT BE NAMED!!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 14, 2017, 04:05:22 AM
Thanks, guys. I'll sleep better tonight.  ;D
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Scott on July 15, 2017, 01:01:57 AM
I really appreciate seeing Mike's roadbed shots. Those vacant embankments are so enticing.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 15, 2017, 02:43:43 AM
So who's going to fire up RC4, pop on his Uber hat  and madly zoom workers between all the projects :P, while barely avoiding Saturday's passenger traffic?   :o
What a country!  ;D
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 15, 2017, 11:29:14 PM
North bound Kubota Express. Maiden voyage for 1015 as well. The car worked very nice.


(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0715170905_zpsfl8ixn3a.jpg)


Vacant no more. Here I am getting the excavator to the bottom of the washout.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0715171247_zpsse9tlr2m.jpg)

The rest of the trees out of the way and some of the top soil removed.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0715171329a_zpstqpqi8bz.jpg)

Looking back at the Kubota.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0715171343_zpsillofhx5.jpg)

Did I ever mention I love digging someplace that has been untouched in 125 years...looky what I see.
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0715171405_zpsswajmoff.jpg)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0715171405b_zpstlrvfc8q.jpg)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0715171411_zpsirqmpcws.jpg)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0715171704b_zpsk5ztyful.jpg)

I believe they may be survey rods, due to where I found them. What say you?

Ready to leave it for the week. These pipes are just temporary.


(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0715171444_zpsbspzshlg.jpg)

Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 16, 2017, 01:24:29 AM
Mike...great work. Why the temp pipes?
Good to see 118 back at it.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on July 16, 2017, 02:06:40 AM
Are the pins possibly from a wood culvert?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 16, 2017, 02:16:13 AM
Pins could be from a wooden box culvert as Ira noted or they could be drift pins from a trestle that was filled in.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on July 16, 2017, 09:34:25 AM
I'm thinking the latter because the books say there was a cattle under pass near ToM.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 16, 2017, 11:39:48 AM
You may be right Joe.  It's a logical place for an underpass so cattle could have access to the river.  The cattle pass in Whitefield is in a similar fill.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 16, 2017, 12:50:14 PM
The temporary pipes are in case it rains enough for the stream to flow. Keeping the sediment out of the stream is a requirement, and these pipes tied into the remporary dam I built should help. Downside, I get to move them to work in there.

The pins were driven into the soil. No rotten wood found there. Just the short rusty pins. They were at the foot of the east embankment, or where it would have been.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 16, 2017, 02:03:13 PM
Thanks for the visual update, Mike. That's an interesting find you have there.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on July 16, 2017, 10:43:08 PM
Mike, glad that 1015 worked so well!  You put so much time and energy into it from start to finish, and it has already proven it's worth in one trip.

Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 17, 2017, 11:03:47 AM
Projected schedule for the next few weeks.

We need track built. Safety spiking would be ok for now. Rail, ties and jointbars are up there. Need bolts and spikes. Prefer to have this done by Aug. 5.

Saturday 7/22. I will be arriving mid morning. Machine work.

Saturday 7/29. Finish prep work. Check pitch with Brendans laser level. Mark center with a stake. Get things ready to tie down crane.

8/5. Set pipes. This will involve setting the crane up on the newly built track, tying the North end on the crane down for added security during the lift. A flatcar will be needed to shuttle the culvert sections.

8/12 is the Annual Picnic, so am not anticipating much work that day, other than maybe some machine work.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 22, 2017, 10:16:04 PM
What is this I see?

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0722171259_zps8dcrcfzn.jpg)

Hmmm. Starting to look like something

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0722171300_zpsbgqapfiy.jpg)

There it is. An old pipe.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0722171359_zpsavid8nbu.jpg)

But what is this next to it? A mud sill for a trestle bent?

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0722171359a_zps5wfbffju.jpg)

And on each side...

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0722171429_zpshaabnpzq.jpg)

And ready for another week.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0722171451_zpsrqgc98im.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on July 23, 2017, 02:55:25 AM
looks like Narrow Gauge in the Sheepscot valley was correct with the old trestle at ToM. Although they must have filled it in an put a culvert in once the trestle started to age.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 23, 2017, 03:06:26 AM
WOW!  Very interesting archaeology, Mike.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on July 23, 2017, 08:55:48 AM
I wonder if the pipe had a layer of gravel over it for the cattle crossing and also to keep the mud sills dry. The bents seem wide enough apart for the cattle to cross under the train track.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 23, 2017, 11:51:19 PM
That's a very neat find, Mike. Looking forward to seeing things personally this week.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 24, 2017, 04:33:42 AM
Ain't that the way renovations and improvements go?
Start out in the repair shop to put in a floor slab, look what happens...a needed structural rebuild, yet!  ???
The washout fill-in/culvert install LOOKS like a fairly simple job. BUT...besides government time and drainage rules, somebody went and built some surprise old stuff right in the way!  ::)
Sheesh!



Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Chuck Watford on July 24, 2017, 04:55:04 PM
Interesting find....will all that have to be removed before the new culvert is installed or can it be left in place?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 24, 2017, 05:52:53 PM
Short answer, yes and no. I am removing the pipe, as it is partly where the new pipe will go, and removing all wood that I have exposed, as well as any under the pipe.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on July 24, 2017, 10:50:10 PM
Will you save some of the pipe for "the museum".  That's the kind of archaeology that has lasting value.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 25, 2017, 01:27:52 AM
The whole pipe if I can get it out in one piece. I am not sure how the timber will come out, piece by piece I guess. That pipe is rather interesting. Sections riveted together, each section being 10 0r 12 feet.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 29, 2017, 10:28:56 PM
The new end of track, with crane:

The excavation, with Mike for perspective:


Sorry, neither photos possible to share.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 30, 2017, 02:01:46 AM
James seems to be having some trouble with his photo host. Anyhow, the pipe came out today. I took this panoramic photo after I got the pipe to budge. Instead of going side to side, I went up to down. There is the perspective for you.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0729171320_Pano_zps1fbqe8fu.jpg)

Then, this happened.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0729171331_zps3i1nmzdd.jpg)

At the end of the day. It is not ready for pipe yet. I found that the timbers were actually a crib for the pipe to sit on for support. On blue clay. I have a plan to get some ballast in there to make some bony gravel for a base for the pipe. We might be ready to set one pipe Saturday afternoon.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0729171510_zpsea5brl6r.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 30, 2017, 05:28:06 AM
Great to see and read of substantial progress on the current  'biggie' projects...washout fix, shop mods, north yard switch finishes, including the superb flanging work on 10's new boiler's pieces/parts.   
After the current culvert pipe is set and backfilled, how far north will   trackwork proceed presently...to the next washout?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on July 30, 2017, 10:25:36 AM
Once culverts and grading is performed, and otjer to be determined factors track can be laid about 700' further north, which is about a day and a half of work on a work weekend.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on July 30, 2017, 11:45:35 AM
I thought we could only go about 3 to 4 hundred ft. I guess I've got to get to work cutting a lot more ties. Bill ready and Steve Z. and I cut ends from another bundle Sat. 168 ties cut so far.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on July 30, 2017, 12:36:23 PM
Length will be determined by other pending subjects that others have been mentioned privately. However we have other uses for the newly cut ties, regardless on track laying length. ;)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 31, 2017, 11:54:12 PM
A few photos Saturday showing the work Mike and helpers completed at the first washout north of Top of the Mountain.

First, a view mid-afternoon of the track put down and safety spiked by Mike, Bryce, Dan and Bill Baskerville (and others?) so Ichabod could be brought to the edge of the washout.  The Brookville rests at the edge of the peviously-built track:

(http://i.imgur.com/oMDpyJ3.jpg)

A late morning view of the crane at the edge of the washout, with the Kubota down below ready for use that afternoon:

(http://i.imgur.com/7H4MXZm.jpg)

Mike busy at work on the Kubota a bit before 2 p.m. moving the old steel pipe out of the way for the new pipe.  Bryce Weeks stands nearby to adjust the chains as needed.
 
(http://i.imgur.com/6yyigHb.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 01, 2017, 02:09:29 AM
Superb pics! Exactly what tells the story.
Thought there'd be more workers, but it appears not that many are needed. Yet.
So...needed demolition is done,  pipe set and fillin next,  mainline then extends farther north.
It's impressive that the correct equipment and tools were prudently gathered or invented to git-er-done here and now.  ;)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on August 01, 2017, 10:41:20 AM
James, Jeff S, and myself also helped with track building. Initially there was only Dad and I too start set up. By the time we were ready to put rails down the crew grew to be 5 of us. Kind of discouraging but thankfully Ichabod was able to do the heavy lifting.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 01, 2017, 11:42:16 AM
Mark and Jay were also up there in the morning. We took a walk down the mountain after the last rails were laid. I was very glad to receive the help to get the track built. Hoping Fred leaves one flat car empty for potential use Saturday.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 01, 2017, 06:23:16 PM
Forgot to mention, in the photo of me on the excavator, look just above the bucket. That is Bryce moving in to hook the chain on the bucket to try and get the old culvert out of the way. That is as far as we could get it. It is solid full of material, and very heavy. I will move it when I can get over on the other side of it.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 02, 2017, 06:07:31 PM
The Wednesday crew paid a visit to the hole today, delivering stone. The old fashioned way..Jason was kind enough to share his photos..

TOM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_5312_zpsbnsr9sn8.jpg)

Very end of track
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_5313_zpsfskmov3d.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_5317_zpsr946doqc.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_5324_zpswbpovgeb.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_5327_zpsaqgeszno.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_5329_zpsywrlvxvy.jpg)

Plenty of stone in there now..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_5330_zpstauvwbnv.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 03, 2017, 12:30:11 PM
How many more flat car loads will it take to get a base for the culvert?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 03, 2017, 01:42:45 PM
Just the half they brought. I wanted a few tip car loads, but Jason suggested this way, and get it done all at once. I am going to make a bony type gravel with what is there.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 03, 2017, 09:02:11 PM
Great photo coverage, especially the flying stone, courtesy of the shovel crew. 
Flat 118 got fixed in time...temp track laid to the EDGE of the washout...good-sized work crew. 
I bet that mud-stuffed old pipe is HEA-VY.
The small diameter pipe now used to temp drain this washout...will that be used farther north at  mini-washouts?
 
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 03, 2017, 10:08:50 PM
The smaller pipe is for a cross culvert about 600 feet north, and the larger is for a pipe that drains an occasional wet area. Both to be installed this year.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 04, 2017, 10:40:26 PM
The weather report for tomorrow afternoon does not look promising, but we will do what we can. Hoping it passes without much activity.

Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 05, 2017, 12:14:08 AM
Weather Underground sez possible Alna T-storm Saturday afternoon, but clear Sunday.
Good luck, am doing a rain un-dance.  ;D
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 05, 2017, 09:24:57 PM
The first piece of the culvert was set in the washout out today.

Culvert loaded up on the flatcar.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_1270.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_1287.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_1300.jpg)

The Kubota at the bottom of the washout.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_1381.jpg)

Lowering the culvert into the hole.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_1314.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_1324.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_1332.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_1357.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_1369.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_1378.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_1401.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_1408.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_1424.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_1433.jpg)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_1439.jpg)

Culvert set in the hole.

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bbarry74010/IMG_1442.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on August 05, 2017, 11:10:45 PM
Wow!  Great set of photos, Brendan -- thanks for posting them.  Lots of progress today.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on August 05, 2017, 11:28:40 PM
Truly amazing work by all you guys!!!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on August 05, 2017, 11:40:09 PM
Gee, when you guys say you go to end of track, you really mean END OF TRACK!  My only question is that I assume you have a coupling for the two sections, why not place it on the one end to make joining easier?  Just curious..........
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 06, 2017, 01:57:23 AM
The coupling slips on over the end rather easily and then clamps together. I did not want to put it on until ready to put the pieces together because I want to tar the seam.

I am more than pleased with how well setting it in went. We had several discussions as we progressed. Safety was priority. Prior to this I had thought and thought how to tie the crane down. The first picture shows how that was done.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0805170913_zpsm0shk9gj.jpg)

Looking up at Bill from the hole.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0805171344_zpsui6ffhqv.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 06, 2017, 03:08:21 AM
Superb job!
Well done, Mike and crew, think youz passed Culvert Setting with an A+! No injuries, no damage, great technique. Those nearby 'anchor' trees came in handy.
And, contractor's fee...ZILCHO!
Even got a sneak peak at the new  sawmill siding platform.  :D
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on August 06, 2017, 03:09:12 AM
Good going,team!

Question: Was it a big hassle getting the culvert from lengthwise on the flat car, as in Brendan's 3rd picture, to crosswise, for lifting by the crane?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 06, 2017, 03:19:13 AM
And, how did 52 get in front of 118?  ;)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on August 06, 2017, 09:15:00 AM
The crane lifted the pipe off the car, and was then spun into position to be set. Once the pipe was lifted off the car, 52 went to ToM, ran around, and was put in front of the crane for extra weight. Everything went very well, or so it seemed. And the actual setting of the culvert was around an hour.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 06, 2017, 12:53:39 PM
Fantastic work. when will the 2nd pipe be set?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 06, 2017, 03:19:36 PM
And I slept like a baby last night. Ashamed to say, I never opened my eyes until 8 this morning...

I am hoping to set the second pipe first thing Saturday Morning. I would like a crew to leave the station by 8. Loading and setting the culvert should be done by the first trains arrival at TOM. We will then be done for the day to partake in the rest of the days activities.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 08, 2017, 02:08:07 PM
National Weather Service currently has a 40% chance for showers Saturday. I am still in hopes to set the pipe in place, but the forecast will determine that. If it rains at all Friday evening, we will not place the pipe. The good old Alna clay will be too slippery to be safely walked on. I do still have just a little prep left to do.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 11, 2017, 12:13:16 PM
Putting out the last call for help for first thing in the morning. I need to get the last pipe in. After tomorrow, I have 7 Saturdays left so this is crucial. 8 AM preferred departure. If I have enough before, we will leave then.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 11, 2017, 11:09:56 PM
The second culvert section has been loaded on the flatcar and is in position for setting it out Saturday morning.   
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on August 11, 2017, 11:11:09 PM
Mike,
I'll be there by 8.
Dave
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on August 11, 2017, 11:11:51 PM
 This afternoon the second pipe and the joining section were put on a flat car and delivered to the end of track where the crane is ready to lift them into place tomorrow. There should be a team ready to go with Mike to the end of track to get this done before the first train of the day.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on August 11, 2017, 11:16:37 PM
Mike,
Jason agrees that that scratches on the second culvert should buff right out... ;D
Dave
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 12, 2017, 10:52:24 PM
Rain this morning prevented setting the last culvert section, but we did hook it to the crane and set it on the ground, freeing up the flats. Saturday I will finish the prep and we can set that in place. No pictures were taken due to the rain.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 19, 2017, 08:52:41 PM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0819171015a_Pano_zpsuicypggp.jpg)

The crew this morning, muddy feet and tar covered hands, gloves and clothes. Gerry and Carlos standing on the crane, Alan and Steve Z. in front of it, Steve P. is on the pipe, Mark is in the mud next to the pipe and Harold to the right. We were done before the first train.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on August 19, 2017, 09:00:33 PM
Very nice job by all involved today!  Thanks for the update and photo, Mike.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on August 19, 2017, 09:07:44 PM
YAY!  Only one person smiling- just like a period photograph.  Should black-and-white it...
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Harold Downey on August 19, 2017, 09:33:26 PM
I don't know why I am smiling with that piece of wood stuck in my arm.  :)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Springs on August 19, 2017, 11:28:36 PM
As a period photo...
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on August 19, 2017, 11:54:46 PM
Harold, I think you were photoshopped into that picture (you're too clean looking).
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on August 20, 2017, 12:13:39 AM
Congratulations,team!! You got er done even though Ma Nature was ornery.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 20, 2017, 04:04:17 AM
Very pro-looking job, gents.
Not to be pushy, but when does backfill start?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 20, 2017, 11:55:34 AM
Bringing in a compactor this week, and Saturdays picture should be much different. To complete the permitted portion of this, all that needs to be done is back fill 1 foot above the pipe. I can borrow enough from the grade to accomplish that. We can then back fill when we want.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on August 20, 2017, 02:57:20 PM
Excellent work by our awesome construction team working to push the rail head northward! Onwards to Albion!  :)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 26, 2017, 09:40:40 PM
Pictures from todays progress..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0826170950_zps5uv7fi9u.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0826171533_zpskadogmpt.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0826171545a_zpsyvfmgvtv.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0826171545b_zpsyx4zpdjp.jpg)

Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on August 26, 2017, 09:46:42 PM
The 'flying compactor" is a very interesting picture.... ???
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on August 26, 2017, 10:53:19 PM
I was wondering if any temporary internal bracing was going to be used during backfill and compaction.  Nice planning Mike!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on August 26, 2017, 11:19:25 PM
Looks rather muddy (or maybe it's clay).
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 26, 2017, 11:31:25 PM
Bracing is doing double duty. Support, plus I stretched the culvert a little. I backfilled with a shovel and compacted with a 2x4 before installation. Then crawled in and jacked and braced. Then compacted again...this is why I did it. When the tension is released, it will be even tighter against the sides

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0826170951_zpsyvvrk4gz.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on August 27, 2017, 12:04:25 AM
Obviously a project lead by a man who knows all the tricks - Gee!  You wouldn't happen to do this full-time.... ;D
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Nyle Buxton on August 27, 2017, 12:35:11 AM
 I have in my shop an old BOMAG ?  plate tamper that has been sitting around for many years that the museum can have for free if you want it  . It was given to me because it wouldn't start. Seemed to have low compression so I pulled the head off. Valves were a little questionable,  and the coil wire had been taped up. It's been sitting ever since , apart , and I don't need it.    Might not cost to much to fix or it might  be easier to just buy a new engine for it. Believe it has a 5hp Robin engine on it.  I'll check to confirm this.
  I'm located in Bohemia, LI, NY  if the museum is interested.

Nyle
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 27, 2017, 11:03:34 PM
Made an unusual Sunday trip down today. I wanted to make the most of the rented compactor. I managed to get enough done that we don't need to rent it again.

Hoping Saturday I can finish what can be done at this location and get ready to move north..
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 28, 2017, 05:25:12 AM
Great work, Mike.
Are you aiming to complete backfilling here all the way up to track subgrade level by next weekend? :P
Can you get enough good fill together this week? How will you compact it?
Will ROW work toward the next washout start right away?
I realize the state/fed permit clock is ticking.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 28, 2017, 12:55:11 PM
Fill will happen in a couple of weeks. Not enough there tobackfill with. Getting it covered by a foot will clear us from the written permit portion of that location. Next location is a much smaller culvert with a much smaller washout, followed by a small cross culvert. I expect each of these to take one day each.

Ditching may not be completed this year on this section, which is fine. We have a 2 year window with DEP. And cleaning existing ditches is not a permit required, unless it is a wet area.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 02, 2017, 10:46:29 PM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0902171623_Pano_zpskraitpcp.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0902171623a_zpstruksmxs.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0902171608_Burst01_zpsr5ijnjws.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0902171607a_zpswsdg3vp9.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0902171607_zpsqjuqmtgv.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0902171620a_zpsjxwr7d6y.jpg)

First piece of museum equipment North of the washout..
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0902171623_zpskt9acems.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on September 02, 2017, 11:44:56 PM
That looks real nice!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 02, 2017, 11:51:13 PM
Very nice, Mike.  Looks like you got a lot more done this afternoon.

I must be blind.  I didn't notice any hay bales when I was up there this morning, but I see the hay spread over the seeded areas in your new photos.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 03, 2017, 12:12:31 AM
I had 6 around the site. Now 4.5...

Yes, I would have done better had I remembered fuel for the Kubota. After another trip south, I got enough done so I was happy. 5lbs of grass seed later, I am hoping for a little rain..
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 03, 2017, 02:23:28 PM
I wish it was financially feasible to send you some bluestone from NE PA, it would look real sweet at the end of the culvert instead of the big cobbles!

Otherwise it is quite awesome looking and getting closer to a foot above the top of the pipe. I see visions of the railhead at Rt 218 ...

Is there enough time to get the other two smaller pipes installed and covered before the permit windows runs out?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 03, 2017, 02:45:33 PM
Yes, the work on the other two pipes starts Saturday. I have a little left to do on the big one, but anticipate moving on to location 2 by lunch.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on September 03, 2017, 10:29:32 PM
This is just great, Mike! Thanks also for the pics!
SH
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 03, 2017, 11:00:40 PM
Nice work, Mike.I like your gravel erosion-control stone "stilling basins"  at both ends of pipe, the hay and grass seed re-vegetation and the no-nonsense rocks over the culvert ends. Great useage of what's available. That's how I end up improving my property. Costs little or nothing.   :)

Looking forward to next Saturday's Continuing Culvert Capers  ;)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 04, 2017, 01:09:48 AM
I have in my shop an old BOMAG ?  plate tamper that has been sitting around for many years that the museum can have for free if you want it  . It was given to me because it wouldn't start. Seemed to have low compression so I pulled the head off. Valves were a little questionable,  and the coil wire had been taped up. It's been sitting ever since , apart , and I don't need it.    Might not cost to much to fix or it might  be easier to just buy a new engine for it. Believe it has a 5hp Robin engine on it.  I'll check to confirm this.
  I'm located in Bohemia, LI, NY  if the museum is interested.

Nyle

Nyle, sorry about not getting back to you sooner. Please hang on to that for us, and hopefully it will wind up in Alna.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 04, 2017, 01:52:11 PM
Great work, Mike. Looking forward to seeing photos from the next two washouts.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on September 05, 2017, 07:21:03 PM
Beautiful work Mike! You definitely made the grade! It will be so great to extend the track into this scenic area!

John
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 10, 2017, 01:06:25 PM
To expand on what James mentioned about Jeff looking at the culvert.

Jeff is our contractor. He had constructed a road for us just for the purpose of filling the washout and slide. The road was never fully completed, but is within 50 feet of the grade. The plan is for him to complete the road to the grade, and then fill the hole we put the culvert in.

Due to being private property, we had to get permission from the land owner to use the road, and due to various reasons, that permission never came until a few weeks ago. We are very lucky to have great neighbors to allow this to happen.

Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 10, 2017, 01:12:05 PM
This is most excellent and welcome news. Congratulations to the team for doing everything to make this happen - and a special thank you to our wonderful neighbors and nearby friends who support and cherish our railroad.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 11, 2017, 12:25:04 AM
Jeff is our contractor. He had constructed a road for us just for the purpose of filling the washout and slide. The road was never fully completed, but is within 50 feet of the grade. The plan is for him to complete the road to the grade, and then fill the hole we put the culvert in.

Glad to hear permission was secured to allow heavy equipment into the ROW to handle the fill for the washout. I can imagine how much effort it was going to be to try and do it via rail.


Next we walked to the slide. I am amazed that neither the Army Corps or the DEP are concerned about that. No permit required. We just need to be mindful of runoff, and control erosion.

Thinking of economies of scale, if the heavy equipment is in situ and no DEP or Army Corps permits are needed for the slide, why not take care of it now. Knock off as much of the low-hanging fruit (i.e. no permits required and culvert repairs) as time permits with the availability of heavy equipment. Getting the road access is a major enough game-changing event to revisit the original plan for this year.

Plus, the Museum is losing the "Mr. Scott" miracle worker reputation to the three-foot DSP&P usurpers in Como, Colorado.;D


Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 11, 2017, 12:30:24 AM
Thinking of economies of scale, if the heavy equipment is in situ and no DEP or Army Corps permits are needed for the slide, why not take care of it now. Knock off as much of the low-hanging fruit (i.e. no permits required and culvert repairs) as time permits with the availability of heavy equipment. Getting the road access is a major enough game-changing event to revisit the original plan for this year.

Alas, no money for it this year.  With the bridge arriving soon, that's occupied the Annual Fund drive letter for this year.  We probably won't be able to address it for a couple of years at least because of the bridge and ROW repairs needed beyond the bridge.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 11, 2017, 01:28:54 AM
Actually, it was discussed at the August board meeting. Cost and timing were both discussed. I was hoping for a start on it after September 30th. But that is when things start to soften again, and we could do a lot of damage to both the grade and the road. So we will discuss it again at a future board meeting, springtime sometime, again talking about timing and financials.

Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 16, 2017, 08:38:12 PM
She said yes..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0916171535_zpsrclt5h9b.jpg)

Our contractor reviewed the approach to the grade. He asked that 2 trees be removed so he could make an easy transition. So I approached the land owner to get her permission. We have a leased right of way through here, and I wanted her aware of the modification to her land, and make sure she was alright with it. As you can see by the pine tree laying across the grade, she was.

This is how the inlet for the culvert looks today. Greening up nicely

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0916171534_zpsraenwvuf.jpg)

I decided to re-set the culvert at location 2. I was in too big of a hurry last week. The culvert is in properly, under the direct supervision of Fred.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on September 16, 2017, 08:41:42 PM
Is that our ROW or the access road?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 16, 2017, 08:46:50 PM
I decided to re-set the culvert at location 2. I was in too big of a hurry last week. The culvert is in properly, under the direct supervision of Fred.

Maybe we should send Fred with you on every trip up north.  It would keep him off the concrete.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 17, 2017, 01:30:14 AM
Ira, the dirt at the bottom of the top photo is the top of the fill to the washout we just installed the culvert. I removed the top layer, small stumps etc., last weekend. This is looking north. The access road is to the right of the tree that is across the grade.

This was last Saturday, just forgot to post..looking south

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0909171357_zpscjs2v9qf.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on September 17, 2017, 01:33:21 AM
Thanks Mike.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 17, 2017, 01:45:28 PM
I decided to re-set the culvert at location 2. I was in too big of a hurry last week. The culvert is in properly, under the direct supervision of Fred.

Maybe we should send Fred with you on every trip up north.  It would keep him off the concrete.

Wouldn't that slow Mike down? ;D
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 17, 2017, 02:03:24 PM
I can't wait to take a walk down the ROW during FWW.  Last time I saw it, it was brush, thorns, and just a jungle.  What an amazing transformation!  Keep up the good work Mike and everyone else who has helped.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 17, 2017, 10:40:48 PM
Will Jeff  be able to fill the first washout to track subgrade level by FWW? The other smaller washout(s)? Trackwork possible by then? I'm wishing.  ;)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 18, 2017, 12:49:06 AM
If track gets built across the washout it can't go very far because it can't be built near where the access road comes to the grade.  It would block trucks and equipment from reaching the other places where the grade needs repair work.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 18, 2017, 01:05:40 AM
I decided to re-set the culvert at location 2. I was in too big of a hurry last week. The culvert is in properly, under the direct supervision of Fred.

Maybe we should send Fred with you on every trip up north.  It would keep him off the concrete.

Wouldn't that slow Mike down? ;D

As quick and thorough as Mike is with his work, I suspect he would have a hard time keeping up with Fred.  I know I can't!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on September 18, 2017, 10:49:46 AM
The current plan is to hold off on mainline track laying till next spring or fall, depending on how filling goes this year. The hope is to lay 1,000' at a time again like we used to do. If we can build 1,000' of track in 3 work weekends we will be almost to 218, and across Trout Brook. We have 7 work weekends between now and the estimated timeline for being over the brook if everything goes well. All of this will depend on money, and a few other matters, but that is the anticpated timeline.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 18, 2017, 11:50:50 AM
Fall of 2018, at the earliest. That is if we can take care of the slide. There is also a spot that we are going to need to do some work on that may delay this. We are in the planning stages on that, and may have decided on what needs or can be done there. We just need to research that and go from there.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 24, 2017, 01:40:02 AM
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Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 24, 2017, 02:26:48 PM
Edited for corrections based on Mike's later post.

After James and I finished walking the line yesterday measuring culvert locations, we continued walking past end of track all the way to Route 218.  Here are some pictures I took of the route down the mountain.  Mike and others can correct any mistakes I make in the photo descriptions.  Many of the pictures have location markers set out in 300-foot intervals.  I believe the starting point for these markers was the end of track at Top of Mountain before about 900 feet of track was added to bring equipment to the edge of the first washout.  The first washout, where Mike has set the 4-foot steel culvert, falls somewhere in the 1000-foot range.

1.  View looking south toward the first washout where Mike has set the first culvert (the right-of-way in shadows in the distance).  Barely visible in the distance is the current end of track, not yet in service.  The back of the 1200 FT sign can be seen on the right.

(https://i.imgur.com/bDzGQGn.jpg)


2.  At 1500 FT, there's a minor washout.  Mike has set a culvert several feet to the south, about where the surveyor's stake is on the right.  Jeff will bring in material to fill in the washout.  In the far distance, Mike can barely been seen walking toward the Kubota setting a relief culvert 200 feet north of this location at the next washout .

(https://i.imgur.com/wMiW2vh.jpg)


3.  Yesterday, Mike set the relief culvert at the north end of this year's permitted work zone next and last washout to be addressed this season.  Just beyond is the area where a portion of the right-of-way has slid.

(https://i.imgur.com/IbXCTTP.jpg)


4.  Mike finishing up work at the last washout on the relief culvert as James P. looks on.

(https://i.imgur.com/SkfE4YX.jpg)


5.  Turning 180 degrees and walking a few steps north, here is the section where a portion of the right-of-way slid.  Just beyond is the 1800 FT marker.

(https://i.imgur.com/fwUSdRJ.jpg)


6.  The view south from the opposite end of the slide.  Note Mike and the Kubota in the distance.

(https://i.imgur.com/F4T3bK3.jpg)
 

7.  Turning 180 degrees again, here is the 1800 FT marker, looking north toward Head Tide.

(https://i.imgur.com/u0hOJCp.jpg)


8.  It seems there's a washout every 300 feet or so through this section.  Here's the view at the 2100 FT marker.  In the distance is a small washout.

(https://i.imgur.com/vDqFecW.jpg)


9.  The washout just north of the 2100 FT marker.

(https://i.imgur.com/KlkttyF.jpg)


10.  The most substantial washout north of the slide looks to be just north of the 2400 FT marker.

(https://i.imgur.com/mLliRa7.jpg)


11.  The washout just north of the 2400 FT marker.

(https://i.imgur.com/WoxLndo.jpg)


12.  At the 2700 FT marker, another small washout.

(https://i.imgur.com/pNY9djx.jpg)


13.  3000 FT is the last marker that has been set out.  Here is the first spot where we break out into a sunny area, with the expected thicket of goldenrod, raspberry, etc.

(https://i.imgur.com/1lsq08Q.jpg)


14.  The Trout Brook bridge site, looking north toward Head Tide.  My best guess walking from the 3000 FT marker is that it's at least 600 feet from the marker, but I'm sure someone has measured it and knows better.

(https://i.imgur.com/WoShevj.jpg)


15.  The view looking south from the opposite side of the brook.  It's been dry in Maine, so we could easily cross while keeping our boots dry.  Note the evidence of drilling to check the soil conditions in preparation for the "new" bridge.

(https://i.imgur.com/hjWSZVR.jpg)
 

16.  North of the bridge site, the right-of-way has recently been cleared up to Route 218 so the drilling equipment could be brought in.  In this view, we looking south toward the bridge site at a location where the Midcoast Conservancy trails connect with the right-of-way.  If we turn 180 degrees, Route 218 is to the north, roughly the same distance away as the bridge site.

(https://i.imgur.com/LwNkv8b.jpg)

Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on September 24, 2017, 02:43:41 PM
The footage started where we stopped putting track down BEFORE we bought the TOM property.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on September 24, 2017, 04:03:45 PM
Bill, thanks for the photos.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Glenn Christensen on September 24, 2017, 04:15:24 PM
Thanks Bill!!!

Your review of the current condition of the mainline grade has really given this fellow from "away" a better appreciation for what you guys are accomplishing and the work to come!

Do you think the number of washouts is indicative of any specific condition of the soil in the area or is it just the natural consequence of the many years with no maintenance?


Best Regards,
Glenn
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Larsen on September 24, 2017, 04:54:29 PM
Looks interesting.
Going down the mountain I would think we would want to pay extra attention to ditching.  Larger volume ditches and perhaps an extra culvert or two to east the possibility of over stress ditches and culverts.  Since apparently we are not going to be cutting trees as far back as usual I would think that we should plan for sudden aqua events that could be caused by trees blowing over and becoming dams in places where there are currently no washouts.  I recall the big rainstorm we got about 15 years ago when we lost a culvert and the water was almost up to the shop building and station.  That storm took out some culverts on the road too and they were all either jammed with brush or to small to begin with.
Also, did yo guys already fill the washout north of Trout Brook just north of the curve?
Just curious.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 24, 2017, 05:48:17 PM
Mike would know the soil conditions, based on all the preparation work he has done plus the work he's done setting culverts so far.  I know he's been very thorough in planning the work, arranging permits in manageable segments that can be completed within the permit's time frame, ensuring regulations are followed while also ensuring the finished result meets our needs.

Someone must have filled in any washouts that were north of the Trout Brook bridge at some point, because the drilling company was able to drive into the site.

Fred:  Yes, I remember the distance markers were set up at one time from the end of track before we purchased the ToM property, but after the ToM track was built, they were all moved northward, with point "0" somewhere just north of the north mainline switch.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 24, 2017, 05:50:38 PM
First, the distance from the 3000 foot sign to Trout Brook is almost 800 feet, according to my notes.

All washouts were developed over time. The one at 2700 feet happened when what ever was going on at 2400 feet plugged up.

Soil is mostly fill in this area. Though I did get into more gravel type soil Saturday. Made digging decent.

I have measured and planned culverts for about every 300 feet, or less depending on terrain. Some are just relief culverts like the one Bill took a picture of me installing Saturday. There was no washout there, but it is 200 feet from the prior location.

2400 feet gets the other 4 foot culvert, 2700 is going to have a 2 foot culvert, the rest are 1 18 inch and 2-12 inch locations. There is a ditch to be repaired, from the 3000 foot sign to about 100 feet from the bridge. This can not be completed until the bridge is in so we can get material in there. It needs to be repaired before track goes in.

The small washout north of the bridge will be repaired as part of the bridge project. There are 3 other locations north of that where cross pipes will be installed.

We have it all marked on the map in the house, locations are marked, and below is a spreadsheet of work planned at the locations so anyone interested can see.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 24, 2017, 06:09:49 PM
Location 2. Inlet. North is to the right. Only thing left here is to fill the washout.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0923171614_zpsmgxt3r7y.jpg)


Outlet

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0923171615_zps5u7ioocc.jpg)


Location 3. 12 inch culvert. I need riprap for the outlet still, and finish the retaining wall I started.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0923171058_zpspqxgsscv.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0923171609_Burst01_zpsr0tlzwfb.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0923171610_zps3vcwv4fr.jpg)

Jeff working on the access road

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0923171630_zpsmlbkqsrp.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0923171635a_zps91jspaca.jpg)

Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on September 24, 2017, 07:04:47 PM
Thanks for the great photos.  Once route 218 is reached, is the plan to install a runaround track and end railroad expansion?  Or.....is this still to be determined?  I imagine crossing the road would put you in a whole 'nother world with the FRA.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on September 24, 2017, 07:14:10 PM
Once we cross 218 there is no good place to put a run around track, it might be done with a lot of fill at end of track.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on September 24, 2017, 08:02:35 PM
Mike and Bill, great photos of some really great culvert work and right-of-way rebuilding work. Thanks for the pics for us, the "away" folks, and the great write-ups on what's being done, by whom and when. Can't wait for the FWW so I can see some of this work first-hand.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 24, 2017, 09:15:54 PM
I have found a relatively easy place for a run around at 218. I say easy because not much will need to be done with it, other than level some fill. And I do think it will be permanent, with a pull/push arrangement beyond if and when the road is crossed.

As for 218 being the end, we will see. It has been discussed over and over, so without getting into that again, 218 will be a temporary end to Northward expansion. It will be expensive to cross and continue north, but will be a scenic view of the Sheepscot River Valley. Discussions will continue, without a doubt.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 24, 2017, 09:33:27 PM
Walking to 218 yesterday reminds me a little bit of "the old days" when it was quite a hike to get to Humason Trestle.  This walk was easy compared to then, when you had to thread your way around trees growing on the trackbed.  In fact the area around Cock-eye Curve was so overgrown we didn't realize there was a curve there until we started cutting it off.  A hike to the trestle was a good way to burn off part of an afternoon.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Glenn Christensen on September 24, 2017, 09:58:16 PM
Thanks Mike for your additional insights, comments, and photographs.

And THANK YOU all for your dedicated HARD WORK on behalf of the WW&F.

Sincerely,
Glenn
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on September 24, 2017, 11:23:58 PM
I echo Glenn's thanks to Mike's work.

The only paper work once 218 is crossed is the monthly report to FRA on crossing inspection. Since 218 is a a state highway, the State of Maine will determine what is required for crossing protection. That is in the future, of course.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 25, 2017, 12:38:11 AM
I do need to remind everyone reading this, the access road is private. Please do not use. Doing so may jeopordize future use of the road. We have construction access only.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on September 25, 2017, 09:59:34 AM
Mike's reminder applies to our volunteers, unless specifically authorized by project manager Mike.  This includes railroad volunteers, unless Mike authorizes.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 25, 2017, 01:45:17 PM
Bill and Mike,

Thanks for the excellent photo documentary of the progress that has been made and future work that needs to be done.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 25, 2017, 07:43:11 PM
Next, we arrived at a pinch point, as Jason calls it. This is a location of a slide that happened after the railroad shut down, but before it was logged in the 50's 60's. The roadbed slid into the brook. We want to do minimal work here but due to the location, we need to have a larger permit. It will be scrutinized more by the DEP, and we will have a lot more prep in the permit application itself.


Is this the pinch point? It looks more like the May description than the photo at 2400'
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 \/


9.  The washout just north of the 2100 FT marker.

(https://i.imgur.com/KlkttyF.jpg)


Just trying to reconcile the two narratives.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 25, 2017, 08:06:23 PM
I *think* the "pinch point" is not in Bill's series of photos. It's really easy to miss it when you are hiking the ROW. The original ROW slid away, but when the area was logged, they just cut more of the embankment aside. Then all the trees grew up around it. So it looks like the ROW, but it isn't. The only give-away are the divots left in the ground where the ties rotted away.

My understanding is that we are going to lay the track here on this slightly modified alignment, rather than deal with repairing another slide (which is in a more environmentally sensitive area due to its proximity to the brook.)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 25, 2017, 09:46:53 PM
The pinch point is not in my series of photos.  I did miss the spot, even though James did remark the ROW deviated a little bit in one spot as we were walking north.  I missed the connection between "deviation" and "pinch point" at the time.  That must have been the pinch point.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 25, 2017, 10:43:10 PM
Here is the "pinch point".
Please note, before you suggest anything, the center photo looks right down to the brook. There is no easy way around this. We have come up with a potential solution, and will be checking with the proper contacts to make sure it is an approved repair before we apply to repair. This is "location 6"
on the map. (http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0527171632d_zpsqnipabmj.jpg)
Looking North. Original grade is to the left.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0527171632c_zpslyujlvis.jpg)
Looking down the 1:1.5 to the brook

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0527171632b_zpswrxth8tt.jpg)
Looking South.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 26, 2017, 12:53:43 AM
So, what are we looking at. I took the liberty to outline my photos.
Both pictures show the known bank and grade, outlined in yellow.
Red shows approximate railroad center line. Pink arrow indicates where I found tie impressions to support my theory.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Pinch%20Point_zpsjgp7sduh.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Pinch%20Point%201_zps1oguapli.jpg)

And speaking of theory, I believe this happened at the same time the washout we just intalled the large culvert in occured. This would have been in 1938 during the New England Hurricane, or 1944 during the Great Atlantic Hurricane.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 26, 2017, 12:27:55 PM
So, what are we looking at. I took the liberty to outline my photos.
Both pictures show the known bank and grade, outlined in yellow.
Red shows approximate railroad center line. Pink arrow indicates where I found tie impressions to support my theory.

And speaking of theory, I believe this happened at the same time the washout we just intalled the large culvert in occured. This would have been in 1938 during the New England Hurricane, or 1944 during the Great Atlantic Hurricane.

For those interested in the background ....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_New_England_hurricane (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_New_England_hurricane)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944_Great_Atlantic_hurricane (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944_Great_Atlantic_hurricane)

So that must mean the loggers built a bypass on the right side of the first photo.

Might another possibility be that the roadbed is on the right of the first photo and the next event, Donna in 1960, caused the washout? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Donna (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Donna).
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 26, 2017, 01:31:12 PM
Trees are too well established to be a 1960 event. We figure the loggers did cut into the bank, and we intend to modify the grade so we can do the same.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 30, 2017, 10:04:01 PM
Pictures are worth a thousand words..

The big hole is no more

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0930171302b_zpsvjzlm7cp.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0930171302a_zpsla9lwrwb.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0930171242a_zpssbvgrrjg.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0930171303_zpsqoydcwce.jpg)


Location 2 is also done

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0930171222a_zpstub48tl6.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0930171222_zpsuioa2xw6.jpg)


As well as location 3, finishing work for the year..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0930171123c_zpstrwqdusw.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0930171123b_zpsguxddorj.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0930171123_zpsxugghuuy.jpg)


And to discourage vehicle use..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0930171306_zpshhrpszoe.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on September 30, 2017, 10:49:26 PM
That's truly fantastic work, Mike. It looks amazing.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 30, 2017, 10:56:54 PM
The big fill was all Jeff. His large machine made easy work of it.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 30, 2017, 11:51:51 PM
Please extend my compliments to Jeff.  That is one mighty fine looking job!  Are we waiting until spring to lay track in that section?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 01, 2017, 12:58:40 AM
I think we are only waiting about a week. Dana says he would like to put out the 60 feet up there that we can during the FWW. This will leave room for trucks to still have access the slide.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on October 01, 2017, 02:11:18 AM
Well and truly done, Mike Fox and friends. You guys are the best!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 01, 2017, 03:54:38 AM
Was wondering why there were few progress reports, pics, from the "washout zone" lately.
Now I know why. Youz guyz were busy as a flock of one-toothed beavers.  ;D
Absolutely first-rate work, especially the big washout rip-rap job, traffic blocks at the access road, classy  little retaining wall at the last washout.
Well, well done!   
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 01, 2017, 04:23:19 AM
So it looks like you want useable track installed over the just-finished Fossell washout, stopping short of the 218 access road/ROW corner, to set up rail and road access to re-profile the landslide ROW, and as a prelude to Trout Brook bridge support/install work.

And since the Sheepscot parking lot is being upgraded to temporarily receive those big trusses, how will they be moved up the line to Trout Creek? And installed?
This will probably be the most spectacular project  WW&F has ever managed. I'm thinking local news outlets will jump on it.

What is your proposed start date?
Our annual Abq International Balloon Fiesta  starts in a few days.
 
I consider the Trout project just as interesting.   
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on October 01, 2017, 09:15:33 AM
Unfortunately anything that happens with less than 500 spectators is not news worthy in Maine. :( With that being said, everything is reliant on money. The sooner funds are available, the sooner work can be completed and the bridge set. Track is expected to be built across Trout Brook by 2020, so the bridge will most likely be set sometime in 2018 or 19. Reaching 218 will be a huge accomplishment, and I think that will be a good time to have a ceremony commemorating everyone who has contributed time, and or money to help restore the railway. With enough notice, I would suspect we could get as much as 500+ people to be on hand for that special moment.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 01, 2017, 12:30:30 PM
Paul, it would be cool to deliver the bridge by train, but impossible. Current plan is to assemble in Sheepscot. There is a grant for that. Next summer, July 15 through Sept. 30, work will commence on the Trout Brook location, provided we have permits, which by then should have been taken care of. Current plan is to have the bridge installed and track laid across it in just the permit area by fall 2019, or spring 2020, before the permit expires. All subject to change of course.

At the same time, we will continue our progess on the grade work. Hoping we can finish culverts in 2018, but there are some that need material. So those may be finished in 2019.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 01, 2017, 07:29:25 PM
Rick,
Yes. This area drains into Trout Brook, which drains into the Sheepscot River, which is a protected waterway for Atlantic Salmon.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on October 07, 2017, 12:11:26 PM
Post-Tropical Depression Nate looks like it will track over Alna during Tuesday, It will be a good test of the new ditch and culvert work.

Since it is FWW and extra hands are available ya'all might want to take one more look at the upstream areas to make sure any fallen branches are out of the way so they do not clog the newly set pipes or anyplace else.

If the plan is still to work on the Humason Brook Trestle better button it all up before the rain.

It's tracking right over Scranton, so I'm spending the day buttoning up myself.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 15, 2017, 02:52:04 AM
If I read Mike's posts correctly, with both permit sections 2 and 3 complete we are good all the way to the bridge.  I also believe he said we can't lay track in section 2 until 3 is done as the heavy equipment will have no means of access.  Did I get this right?
No. The first section is done. Locations 1, 2 and 3. That is the big pipe, and 18" and a 12". Section 2 consists of one location. 4. The slide. Section 3 and section 5 have more pipes. A 12", 18" 48" and a 24" locations 5, 8, 9 &10.
Location 6 is what we call the pinch point, which needs stabalizing. Location 7 is a 12" cross pipe, that will be included in section 4, due to the proximity to the brook.

Then there is about 500 feet of ditch to repair and armor.

Oh, and then there is a bridge..plenty of work to do yet.

Plus more pipe work north of that..all takes time. And permits..
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on October 15, 2017, 10:24:32 AM
Thanks for the correction Mike, there is a lot of stuff to remember and obviously I didn't remember it all.  From the sounds of it, looks like 2019 for the big track laying session.  If possible a map, with the permit sections and tasks needed detailed on it would be a really big help in understanding the whole scope of work to get to the bridge.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 15, 2017, 12:37:56 PM
I may find a way to put the map on here. I need to tweak it a little though.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on October 16, 2017, 08:50:50 PM
Does anyone have a picture of the track that was installed on the first washout during FWW? If so please post.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 16, 2017, 09:21:07 PM
There are a few on Facebook. Here's one:
(https://scontent.fbed1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22406497_10155205955666871_2616875245310711092_n.jpg?oh=782ed2b267eec04527bcc88261e08191&oe=5A827E6F)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on October 17, 2017, 09:53:56 PM
Ed, Thanks for posting the picture.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 23, 2017, 11:11:06 AM
On the way North to do some layout at the pinch point, we noticed one of the barrier logs I placed at the access road was out of place. Kind of skewed at an angle. Investigating, I found where it had been hit by a vehicle. So we straightened it back out, and I drove some stakes in the ground and put some orange flagging tape on them.

Some measurements have been made at the pinch point 3 seperate times in the last week. That location grew to include the cross pipes north and south of it, due to being within 75 feet of the brook.

We are still planning the repair, actually have pretty much settled on it, and will be applying for permits so we can (hopefully) complete the work next summer.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on October 23, 2017, 02:13:19 PM
On the way North to do some layout at the pinch point, we noticed one of the barrier logs I placed at the access road was out of place. Kind of skewed at an angle. Investigating, I found where it had been hit by a vehicle. So we straightened it back out, and I drove some stakes in the ground and put some orange flagging tape on them.

Sound like a need for a pair of trail cameras.....and a "this area is under video surveillance" sign.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 23, 2017, 03:01:42 PM
No, I am sure it was just a local bird hunter or something. May have been someone scouting where to hunt this weekend.

I do not like signs, as it is not our property. The same with a camera. One vehicle should not result in anything other than what was done. I am just thankful I placed the logs there. Had the vehicle made it onto the ROW, they could have been seriously hurt.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on October 29, 2017, 09:30:33 PM
 Mike,  In the times pasted, the timber clearing crews worked in the winter months to clear right of way or other necessary fields for the museum.  Is it possible to still do such while working under permits?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 29, 2017, 10:10:17 PM
Hi Fred.
I think we can plan to do some tree cutting this winter. But no trees will be cut in the permit zones without the permits. Outside of the permit zones we plan to only cut what is necessary. Also, before snow cover, I want to clean up the fallen trees, and get them to spots we can get them easily to burn this winter.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on October 30, 2017, 11:59:46 AM
I'd like to get out with a blade trimmer and go after some of the saplings along the railway before they get too big.  Won't be able to do it the next two weekends, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 05, 2017, 12:20:47 AM
After our big rain and wind storm we had this week, remnants of Tropical Storm Philippe, I did and inspection of the work we did this summer this afternoon.

I found water flowing through the big culvert, no erosion but I do need to put some stone on the inlet side.

Second culvert had quite a bit flowing through at one time. The flow cleaned leaves up and sent them through the pipe.

The third pipe saw very little use, as far as I could tell. It will not get much flow, as it just collects ditch water and sends it to the other side. Perhaps once the ditching is done, it will catch more.

Trees Down... As I drove in the access road, clearing my way, this is what I found..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Fossel%20Tree2a_zpsmmzfkpac.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Fossel%20Tree2_zpsvcvcew9z.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Fossel%20Tree1_zpsv3f6c5m9.jpg)

And finally, at the pinch point.. The tree at the 30 degree angle is the only new one..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Pinch%20Point%2011.4.17_zpswrzcvy6d.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 05, 2017, 04:37:32 PM
At long last, here is a (fairly) clear map of each section and location needing work on the WW&F Mountain Extension

(http://wwfry.org/pics/MountainExtensionSectionMapLowRes.jpg)


To clarify:
The Mountain Extension is broken up into seven "Sections." These sections match zones that require specific permitting. Some Sections require no permits, others (such as Sections 3 and 6) are more complex and require the cooperation and approval of several agencies.

There are 17 specific "Locations" that require work. Some Sections contain several Locations, others Sections consist of only one Location. As of October 2017, all ROW work at Section 1 (Locations 1, 2, & 3) is complete; the end of track is Location 1.

Major contour lines are at 10' intervals, minor ones (dotted) are at 2'. This really makes the flat land at Top of the Mountain for our future mills really stand out. (Contour lines are omitted outside of the work zone.) The "Top of the Mountain" dot indicates the location of the former cart road crossing.

A printed version of this map will be posted in the Percival House for further inspection.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 05, 2017, 05:19:13 PM
Ed, thank you for posting this.

This is the result of several trips down the mountain, looking at maps, measuring, figuring, asking, talking...

If anyone has any questions at all about any of the work that needs to be done, please ask. Either privately or on here. Jason and I can answer just about everything, or we can make something up that sounds good..
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on November 05, 2017, 06:04:02 PM
That is a truly beautiful map, Ed!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on November 05, 2017, 06:39:11 PM
Hey Ed and or other officials, may I share this map on the NG discussion forum and in a few other places to help give a visualization to the bridge project and or track extension updates? As noted by a few others I have been really pushing the bridge Fundrazr page and trying every approach possible to help keep things moving forward.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 05, 2017, 07:19:36 PM
I do not have an issue sharing the map with a wider audience. In fact, it will be part of today's "Bridge Story" Episode.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 06, 2017, 12:00:49 AM
I see that the next section to be addressed is the slide. This brings a number of questions to mind.

Do we have the necessary permit(s) to proceed? If not, what permit(s) are needed?

The map key mentions 200 yards of fill. Will other work be needed to be done to keep the fill in place?

Will the museum need to work with other organizations to, such as the conservancy, to complete this work?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 06, 2017, 12:54:51 AM
Hi Jeff,

We’re keeping our permitting requirements off-line for now, as we work diligently to secure the necessary permissions one section at a time.  As a direct answer for your question, we have gotten the clearance to proceed on our section 2 work (in this case, we are more than 75’ from the brook, there is no active waterway or wetland).

The fill will be placed at a self-stable slope, clothed and rip rapped.

The problem can be corrected entirely within the width of the right of way we own. 

Thanks,
Jason
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 06, 2017, 06:47:48 PM
Thanks, Jason. Will work on section 2 start next summer?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 06, 2017, 11:14:11 PM
We are hopeful. We will use our contractor to do the work. It will be he who fills and slopes it to our specifications. It will be the easiest way to accomplish that. We will be focused on other projects at the same time, and lifting the burden of us trying to do it will help immensely.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on November 07, 2017, 12:44:13 AM
Mike,  would it be safe to assume that we will be working section 7 in parallel with section 2 in order to prepare for the bridge placement?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 07, 2017, 02:16:20 AM
Without going into great detail, the only thing that will be done in section 7 is what is needed to be able to work on the bridge site. Location 14 is a spot that will get fixed, mainly because it needs a culvert, so we can easily access the bridge site. Part of the culvert will be temporary, so when we are done the roadbed can be narrowed back up to original width.
Once the heavy work is done, the rest of the pipe work can be completed.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 20, 2017, 04:47:23 PM
The permit process continues, with a required notification appearing in this weeks edition of The Wiscasset Paper.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 05, 2017, 03:22:13 PM
Alna's permits approved! From the Wiscasset Newspaper:
http://www.wiscassetnewspaper.com/article/railway-museum-expansion-track/95329 (http://www.wiscassetnewspaper.com/article/railway-museum-expansion-track/95329)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 28, 2017, 03:42:36 PM
Hello,

We will be clearing trees from the right of way on the Mountain over the winter, as this work is permitted contingent on the ground being frozen.

Mike plans to begin at the bridge site this Saturday.

We will also be clearing next Tuesday, January 2.  Details on Tuesday's work TBD after this Saturday.

Thanks,
Jason
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 29, 2017, 10:49:33 PM
Unless they added another day to this year, Tuesday will be January 2nd..

Plans were to get the dozer to the bridge site, but the cold weather has made that a chore. We still may get it up there on Saturday, but not to do any work..

Plenty of trees on the extension to be cut. There are a few pine trees to cut, and 2 at Fossel Crossing (not an official name) that I cut for the contractor could be cleaned up, and we could work north from there.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 29, 2017, 10:54:10 PM
Jason and I have spent several hours this last week working on it, and now have the NRPA Individual Permit ready for submittal.

This permit covers the Pinch point and 2 culvert locations that are all in a shoreland zone.

Permit will be sent from Alna tomorrow, after the required fee in inserted.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 30, 2017, 11:05:30 AM
“Unless they added another day to this year, Tuesday will be January 2nd..”

Oops.  Fixed...
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 30, 2017, 10:49:08 PM
Dozer is now on Trout Brook ROW. Next Saturday we should plan a good start for tree removal. We talked this morning and have a good plan, and I think it will go very quickly. I walked to the brook, and it is frozen solid. There is little to no frost in the ground, so we will have to pay attention so we don't disturb the soil.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 30, 2017, 10:57:36 PM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/1230171520_zpsefmxz9la.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/1230171520a_zpswidqrvu0.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 30, 2017, 11:11:13 PM
Will the cutting and clearing occuring on Saturday also include burning? Long-range forecast says next Sat will be still very, very cold (single-digit highs, if it makes it above 0.)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 30, 2017, 11:23:11 PM
I hope so..
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 30, 2017, 11:55:07 PM
Expected tree cutting this week.

TOM North on Wednesday.

Trout Brook Saturday.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 03, 2018, 06:13:29 AM
Your local TV weather shows an intense snow/wind storm traveling north just off the coast should drop about 6 or more inches in the WW&F area Thursday, remaining cold, clearing and getting colder over the weekend.
Pics show a snowy TB work start just in from Rt 218.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 03, 2018, 11:31:33 PM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0103181234_zpskgbktexb.jpg)

This is how it started off. The dozer just would not fire this morning at -4. That was 11am... So the guys decided to take an early lunch while I gathered the generator and torpedo heater...10 minutes of this and the dozer took right off.

Fairly productive day. All the small brush was cut up and stacked out of the zone. There are some pictures that were taken while we did this.

Last thing we did was cut one large yellow birch. This proved to be a bear to get out whole, so the guys cut some of the leaders off of it while I repositioned the dozer. And then it came out.

A great start. I think Saturday will be a slow day because of the expected high of 1..
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 04, 2018, 12:44:26 AM
Jasons pictures.

Before lunch..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_7280_zps8p3br11s.jpg)

After lunch

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_7282_zpsruok6k9j.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_7285_zpsh3ub59gf.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_7288_zpswadvxbic.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_7290_zps0quu67ni.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_7291_zpsozqvdzzu.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on January 04, 2018, 01:25:04 AM
Great shots one and all but it looks to have been bitterly cold. I can't fault that dozer for not wanting to start without some extra warming. I hope you had a fire nearby to give you all a place to warm up a bit although I don't see one in any of the pictures.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 04, 2018, 01:36:47 AM
No fire. We were too busy..but we got the pile closer to the Trout Brook parking lot, so maybe one can be had on a cold Saturday..
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 04, 2018, 01:58:59 AM
Looks like you could use a Lombard to help drag all that timber out of there.  Any good hardwood to go to the sawmill?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on January 04, 2018, 02:10:16 AM
One of the great things about these pictures is that they are reminiscent of so many pictures from many years ago - pictures of places where we now run trains. :D
-John M
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on January 04, 2018, 01:37:12 PM
When we were younger John!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on January 04, 2018, 02:21:00 PM
 Working in such a cold (- 17 C)  goes to show your dedication to that two-footer once more . It will take the line and the trains  far away northward .
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 04, 2018, 08:15:36 PM
I agree with Duncan, it looks terribly cold in those photos. How large of a crew was there?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 04, 2018, 09:42:14 PM
7 in the morning, 6 in the afternoon, unless I am forgetting someone.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 05, 2018, 12:02:57 AM
That sounds balmy compared to what's forecast for this Saturday.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 05, 2018, 01:24:49 AM
We started at about -10. We will be making an attempt at something Saturday. I would like to at least burn or attempt to burn what we have cut, and maybe cut a few more trees..
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 06, 2018, 12:45:59 AM
How's was the wind on Wednesday? We've been having wicked overnight windchills in the -15 to -20 range.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 10, 2018, 12:20:09 AM
Meanwhile, up at the Brook...

With warm weather predicted this week, and an expected inch of rain on Friday/Saturday, I was real concerned about the ice on the brook. While it was still somewhat solid, I wanted to remove the necessary trees on the south side of the brook. Steve Z. joined me, and the first picture is of what he and I accomplished. Reinforcements arrived shortly after he left, and helped me cut the branches off and stack the brush from this tree. We then did 3 EASY ones, because I was about done.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0109181302a_zps5lz0tauo.jpg)

And here we are at the end of today..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0109181421_zpsb3jcjkr3.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0109181421a_zpsdn21jevt.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0109181421b_zpsbumt69zs.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0109181422_zps3fphddqf.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 10, 2018, 08:32:53 PM
Nice photos, Mike.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Chuck Watford on January 11, 2018, 12:47:55 AM
I keep thinking it would be fun to come help, but -10...holy cow!! I'm in Alabama! Anything below 32 and we stay inside by the fire!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on January 11, 2018, 01:37:06 AM
Today (and yesterday and tomorrow) it is actually above freezing.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on January 11, 2018, 01:39:31 AM
Yes, It was quite balmy in Sheepscot yesterday - I think it may have hit 40 degrees!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 11, 2018, 01:47:38 AM
Nice pics Mike.  Looks like we have a few trees a wee bit to close to the centerline.  Any beavers looking for work?   ;)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 11, 2018, 09:59:59 PM
John...good one!
Great pics. I see fine evidence of progress--less woods, more stumps.
Given da weather, you guys should be either sainted by the Pope, or knighted by the Queen...maybe both!
What' s really great is that  Trout Brook Bridge Project Sitework HAS STARTED!!
In construction-speak, it's called Clearing and Grubbing.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 11, 2018, 11:11:54 PM
I know everyone thinks we are nuts, but this is work we have to do now, while the weather is cold. So far, no soil has been disturbed. Not sure what the rain will do to the snowpack tomorrow and Saturday, so our work may have to be scaled back if the snow goes away.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 11, 2018, 11:21:52 PM
A lot of people think Mainer's are crazy for venturing out in the winter.  Having lived in Maine and far upstate NY, one understands the real meaning of "cabin fever" and there are times when -10 below is a lot more desirable than another day coop'ed up in the house!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on January 11, 2018, 11:27:30 PM
I agree 100%, Mike. There is a reason loggers prefer to work in the winter months, especially on wet ground or ecologically sensitive sites. It's all about minimizing soil disturbance.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 12, 2018, 12:02:18 AM
Didn't realize there has to be such minimized site disturbance. Also, your time constraint is so tight. Wow.
Go for it.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 13, 2018, 07:15:19 PM
After the warm weather and rain the last 2 days...

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0113181121a_zpsslmvkouw.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0113181123a_zps0ikp10hc.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0113181123_zpsviuiwrws.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0113181122a_zpssr7vafpx.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0113181121_zps97cwjjrq.jpg)

Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 13, 2018, 08:17:37 PM
That's a whole lot of water!  Ice jam?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on January 13, 2018, 09:38:44 PM
Looking at the pictures taken today I was wondering how our Trout Brook bridge and site plans match up against the conditions that you observed?
How extreme was this event compared to the worst case that is planned for? 
And did you check the previous work sites to see what they looked like?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 14, 2018, 01:43:48 AM
While the water level may be high, it is far from the projected flood plain. The estimated floodwater height, according to FEMA, is about a foot below the height of the grade. Look at the included drawing, the FEMA flood plain is the blue line just below the bridge.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/pdf00001_zpsp3hzztao.png)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 14, 2018, 03:36:12 AM
Wow guys, we are going to raise the top of the rails 3 feet 2 inches above the current ground height.  Subtract rail and ties and that is about 2 feet 6 inches to the bottom of the ties.  I had no idea that we would raise the track that much.  Not that I am complaining, that is just a lot of stone and gravel.

Impressive drawings by the way.  Did Ed do all those?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 14, 2018, 11:53:15 AM
The drawings were a combined effort of Christopher Marston of the NPS, Eric Schade and myself.  While Ed wasn’t involved in this one, he helped us greatly with the production of very professional maps and site plans (which is Ed’s cup of tea).

The stream profile seen in the drawing is from an actual profile survey performed by several of us this fall.  Note in particular the “normal high water line” as labeled on the drawing, then note how quickly the banks fair out away from the stream.  The normal high water marks on site, and at any stream which experiences flow like this, are very plain to discern- as their sharply eroded for a short vertical jump in the profile.

As you can see, the volume of water required to get above the high water mark goes very high very quickly.  This is why the high water mark is so eroded- high flows rarely make it above this mark.

I wasn’t on site yesterday but from Mike’s pictures it looks like the water level is right at the high water mark.  It does this regularly. 

The “floodplain” on the drawing is the FEMA 100 year floodplain.  Now you can see why such an event is only expected every 100 years or so.

The bridge piers are required to be 20% wider than the high water marks.  We have achieved 80%.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 14, 2018, 11:58:07 AM
The raising of the rail height is to get the bottom of the bridge at least 1’ above floodplain, a requirement.

The raising will be accomplished with the use of retaining wall blocks on each side of the roadbed fill approaching the bridge, as adding that much more fill material right near the stream is frowned upon.  It’s be a lot of fill, and moreover would widen the roadbed fill substantially.

We are currently studying an option which would allow us to lower the track height 18” from that shown, while maintaining our foot of clearance above floodplain.  If we can accomplish this, the retaining wall can be nearly eliminated (some will he needed right at the pile abutments).

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 14, 2018, 01:01:21 PM
Thanks Jason for the detailed explanation of the bridge situation.  IMHO it will be best to maintain the higher elevation for the following reason.  As we have found in eastern PA, we are having more than average 100+ year floods.  Some is due to storms themselves but much is due to development and associated runoff.  Thus the Army Corps is reevaluating its criteria and expanding the floodplain mapping.  Planning over the long term, one cannot determine how much development may occur in the future and how it will effect stream flows.  In essence, better safe than sorry ................
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 14, 2018, 01:35:19 PM
This was no where near the 100 year high, but was more likely close to the annual high. I was glad to see this on person, because there are other factors in the immediate area that would cause the water to go even higher. The road bridge, for instance, was approximately 2 feet above the water. While on site, I figured our bridge would also have the same clearance.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0113181118_zpsmyshgzxm.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 14, 2018, 01:52:00 PM
Ok I see now that yesterday’s water made it above the high water line.  Mikes picture of the highway bridge made me look again.  Makes me wish I’d gone up yesterday afternoon.

Note the bottom of the bridge is roughly level w the current ground level (maybe 4” lower).  That indicates the clearance we’d have. 

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 14, 2018, 02:02:26 PM
Another, perhaps unanticipated, benefit of raising the track and the bridge would be that the southbound approach, depending on the length of the runoff, would give southbound trains a bit of a boost to get a "run" toward the steep southbound grade.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 14, 2018, 02:08:45 PM
Looking at the National Weather Service, precipitation total for Wiscasset for this storm was 2.14 inches. This, added to the fact that the brook was covered with ice, led to ice jams and slow water flow.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 14, 2018, 03:29:05 PM
So, how long will tree clearing be delayed, due to the rain and warmer weather?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on January 14, 2018, 05:38:04 PM
I think they will be cutting Tues., let's hope! Weds. it's supposed to snow.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 14, 2018, 05:49:07 PM
Yes, cutting Tuesday!!  Please join us if you can!

Jason
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on January 14, 2018, 06:30:49 PM
Thanks for the complete and interesting explanation. The map helps a lot to understand the distances.

The pics are a stark example of the serious nature of this job and how that lazy and shallow brook we all have seen in the summer can change dramatically.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 14, 2018, 06:49:40 PM
Tree cutting on Tuesday will be going down the mountain. If I can make it, I want to burn the pile of brush at Trout Brook, which I will need no or minimal help for. I would like to wait for snow cover again before tree removal continues at the brook.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 14, 2018, 08:14:34 PM
Looking at the latest drawing for the bridge, I noticed the grade is flat across the bridge.  Does the climb up the mountain start just south of the bridge?  Or does it flatten out for the bridge?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on January 14, 2018, 10:05:02 PM
The uphill climb starts off extremely easy, and is less than 1% for quite a ways. I suspect the only real 3% grade will be at the last 1,000' of the climb. From walks, and looking at Val maps, the grade slowly gets steeper and steeper the further south you go. As best as I can guess right now, there is about 1900' of 2% and steeper grade.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 14, 2018, 10:40:08 PM
I want to move the grade topic over here, as well as any questions that may come up for the rest of the work. So, I include one of the Topo maps here, to show the elevation at the bridge and the climb up the mountain.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Segment18_zpsvejr4jhn.png)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 14, 2018, 10:42:21 PM
Check the Mountain Thread for the grade discussion
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on January 14, 2018, 11:09:03 PM
If my vote counts - keep it high.
The Hundred Year Floods seem to be coming every 10 to 12 years around here.

Though not exactly historically accurate - to alleviate fill and retaining walls - could the approaches
be on pile trestles? 2 to 3 foot high? Use concrete posts  to cut down maintenance, stained brown.

Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 14, 2018, 11:21:38 PM
Thanks Mike.  If I'm reading the topo correctly, it looks like the grade is fairly level or rises very gradually north->south north of the bridge.  Based on the bridge diagram, the bridge looks level, and the topo shows the grade starts to climb south of the bridge.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 14, 2018, 11:26:17 PM
If the bridge is raised 3 feet-plus above the current grade, to about 25 feet above sea level, in order to come back down to meet the current grade on the west side at a reasonable rate, the runoff would have to extend at least 700 feet (1% grade) north toward Route 218, reaching the current grade well beyond the end of the curve and somewhere around 300 feet from Route 218's right-of-way. That doesn't leave a whole lot of space for a runaround track or anything else. Going south, the runoff would be about 350 feet, almost level, to meet the 24 foot contour line. Neither of these back-of-the-envelope estimates takes into account the sub-ballast, ballast ties and rail. I had to do a similar exercise in order to raise a bridge over a highway to clear taller trucks some years ago, and I as I recall, we ran off each end for about 500 feet to meet the exiting grade. Your mileage may vary.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 15, 2018, 12:26:41 AM
Actually, the grade south and north rise from the bridge site, so the length required to get back down to original height is a lot shorter than Waynes estimate. Jason has it figured around 250 feet south, and about the same to the north.

Bill, the climb is steady until we get to location 9, see the map in the last newsletter, then it increases slightly and starts into some curves. Last climb from beween location 2 & 1 increases to what must be 3%.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 15, 2018, 01:08:59 AM
An important detail in figuring grade is that the final rail height would have been about 12” above current grade height anyway (grub off 4”, add 6” stone, 6” 4” rail).  Therefore the 3’ 2” is really only a change of 2’2”.  The grade to the north of the bridge indeed rises up- haven’t surveyed that but I’d estimate 12” in 200’.  So it’ll all smooth in fairly nicely.

Jason
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 15, 2018, 01:54:06 AM
So if I understand both Mike and Jason correctly;  if the bridge remains at the "higher" height, with some small amount of fill and then the new track, we are essentially level from the bridge north to 218.  Southbound grade get eased for the first 1000 or so feet heading up the mountain.  Makes for a good terminus and also to get a run at the mountain.  Love it when a plan comes together   ;D
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 15, 2018, 02:38:05 AM
Well, it all works out nicely if you have all the numbers before you. 12 inches of rise in 200 feet is a 0.5% grade. Much better than what I estimated based on the contour numbers on the map. If a transit is set up on the bridge, which is presumed to be level, and the grade is maintained level out to the point where it encounter the current grade southbound, you'd be able to get a fairly decent run for the steeper grade ahead.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Larsen on January 15, 2018, 04:15:40 PM
I wonder what the grade height was originally?  We are only looking at what exists now after almost 100 years of erosion and logging operations that widened and lowered the top of the grade a bit.  I would think it prudent to have the area north of the bridge start a slow southward incline to the bridge so that it could be as high off of the brook as reasonably possible.  That would also serve to minimize the amount of the grade further south and help get a better running start.  Of course I understand that gets expensive as more fill material is required but that would be the best way to do it I would think. 
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on January 15, 2018, 04:41:43 PM
I visited Trout Brook bridge site this morning, and the water has gone down quite a bit.  Here's a comparison photo of Saturday vs today:

(https://i.imgur.com/8H3kug2.jpg)

Here's the actual photo I took:
(https://i.imgur.com/sC1hVWt.jpg?1)

And, for comparison, here's what the brook looked like in the summer of 2016 in the same location:
(https://i.imgur.com/egzPcCD.jpg?2)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 15, 2018, 07:02:19 PM
I really like your split frame picture James. That is very interesting. Now to do a split frame of summer 2018 construction vs summer 2016
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on January 15, 2018, 10:55:08 PM
Mike as long as you leave the birch stump there I'll be able to line up the shot next summer  :D
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 15, 2018, 11:25:21 PM
2 chances...
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 16, 2018, 11:42:21 PM
We had 2 seperate crews working today. Fred and I burned all the brush at Trout Brook, While Jason, Randy, Steve L, Steve Z, JB, and Eric S cut their way down the mountain. Jason was excited, as each tree revealed more and more of the beauty that the Narrow Gauge is all about. Curves and cuts. Anyway. Look at the photo series I took.

Lets start at Trout Brook. Please note, the blue can is further away from the fire than appears..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0116180912_zps3ffg4ysj.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0116181149_zpsijw4qgwx.jpg)

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Down the Mountain (or up from Fred and I..)

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Fossel Access Rd Looking North

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WW&F Property Line looking North, Steve L. on the left.


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Looking at Location 2, Jason on the left and Eric is in the orange chaps.

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Location 2 had some flow during the last rain event, and froze to the trees.

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Location 3 looking South

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The Slide, Location 4, looking South, Jason and Randy working in the distance

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Location 5 (Orange stake at right) looking North

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Location 6 "the Pinch Point" looking South

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Standing on Location 7 looking North at Location 8 (bright spot in the snow)

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Looking South at Location 8

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Looking North from the above photo at Locations 9 & 10. Last curve to the bridge is in the distance.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 17, 2018, 12:14:32 AM
I checked on Location 1 this afternoon. The dirt line on the right inside of the culvert would have been the water line. Looking in from the outlet.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0116181443_zpsmmmk0dbt.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 17, 2018, 01:20:40 AM
Looks like the culvert size was well chosen.  Thanks Mike.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 17, 2018, 01:33:33 AM
Once completed, this is going to be a spectacular section of narrow gauge.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 17, 2018, 02:11:27 AM
I love looking at the grade with that amount of snow cover. Details show up very well.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on January 17, 2018, 09:05:22 AM
Very good photo tour.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 17, 2018, 10:19:50 AM
I think we're going to need that sawmill sooner rather than later.   ;)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 17, 2018, 02:14:20 PM
The part of the eventual ride down the mountain will become one of the most picturesque of our line.  I love the look down thru the trees.  The land being surrounded by the conservation area ensures that it will remain so.  That portion, along with the Moose Trout Brook Bridge will become, like the Hummason Brook Trestle and the cockeyed curve will become the most enjoyed and most photographed portions of our line.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 17, 2018, 02:23:22 PM
Agreed. This will be a very scenic portion of the ride. Thanks for the photos.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 17, 2018, 02:27:13 PM
I'd say the culvert is doing its job very well.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on January 20, 2018, 08:55:57 PM
Some pictures from noon today:

Taken from where the ROW starts a westward curve.  The slide is just beyond the fire.
(https://i.imgur.com/XVIbnds.png)

From the downhill side of the slide, looking back up the hill.  The slide is well beyond the first fire.
(https://i.imgur.com/figkPoR.png)

Lastly at the so-called pinch point, dead wood has been cleared out.
(https://i.imgur.com/VZKMvUK.png)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on January 20, 2018, 11:40:08 PM
More tree clearng pictures from today. Some are Jason's pictures.

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Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Springs on January 20, 2018, 11:47:00 PM
WOW!!!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 20, 2018, 11:57:32 PM
It was a great day. We cleaned some up from Tuesdays effort, and pushed further north. I was very glad to see all the help today.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on January 21, 2018, 12:54:11 AM
So many trees cut today, logs stacked and brush burned!  It's simply amazing how the Mountain Extension ROW opens up to give us a picture of the future.  Great work today by everybody involved.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on January 21, 2018, 02:19:39 AM
Really neat photos, and a hand saw to boot! That's dedication to appropriate toolege!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 21, 2018, 02:32:18 AM
I understand Alan cut down seven trees today using the hand saw.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 21, 2018, 04:18:19 AM
Superb work day! 
Is this the biggest non-tracklaying turnout yet?
Bravo to all who sawed, burned and stacked.

Love the shot of 9 dragging the downed tree off the track between TOM and the first washout.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 21, 2018, 03:00:55 PM
That's quite a crew in the photos, but I don't see Fred.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on January 21, 2018, 03:07:24 PM
That thing pulling that log I thought was a Lombard log hauler, then I saw it didn't have tracks.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 21, 2018, 03:35:18 PM
Its a shame that a Lombard wasn't available, looks like there is a lot of lumber that could be dragged out of there.  Hope there will be more cutting coming, especially some of those leaning trees on the uphill side that I see in some of the pics.  Those are blow-downs just waiting to happen.

Hey Mike as a side note,  what do you think of ROWMOW converting a couple of the Koppel chassis to log car bogies.  There is some great vid's on YouTube of similar set-ups that are in daily use on logging lines in Europe.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 21, 2018, 07:06:12 PM
That's quite a crew in the photos, but I don't see Fred.

Jeff S.
Fred was able to join us, tending to one of the fires closer to the end of track. And of course he was smiling
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 21, 2018, 07:09:34 PM
Hi John,

Some of the trees will be cut eventually, but our intent this winter was and is getting the ones out of the way for construction. Next winter we can take a train in and do more removal if we decide to.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 21, 2018, 07:42:38 PM
That's quite a crew in the photos, but I don't see Fred.

Jeff S.
Fred was able to join us, tending to one of the fires closer to the end of track. And of course he was smiling

He'd be smiling more if he had a chainsaw in his hands. :D

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 24, 2018, 10:35:23 PM
Jasons pictures from today,
in no particular order..

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Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 24, 2018, 10:48:43 PM
I only meant to send one picture of Steve Zuppa sitting on that stump-  not two.  Sorry, Steve!

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 24, 2018, 11:03:19 PM
Steve out on the stump????  When did he decide to run for political office ??????    :o
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on January 24, 2018, 11:24:14 PM
He's keeping it warm for Fred.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 24, 2018, 11:56:42 PM
Astounding amount of organized Clearing and Grubbing!
Better slow down or you'll run out of trees!  ;D
Very well done.

Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 25, 2018, 04:32:16 AM
If you think you have run out of trees, call Fred! He can always find a few more trees to cut!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on January 25, 2018, 06:07:51 AM
By Spring, we should have a good start on a log yard at the future saw mill site.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 25, 2018, 10:14:39 AM
Starting to look good there guys and lots of future lumber for the sawmill (wishful thinking).  Glad to see so many Stihl chainsaws on site.  Have used many different types over the years and they are the best IMHO.  I'm currently on my 3rd Farm Boss here at home.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on January 25, 2018, 12:01:17 PM
I sat on that stump also. Just took a walk down to see how they were doing. Just a couple of hundred feet left when they get the permit. If it's good next Sat. the crew will work North of the brook.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on January 25, 2018, 12:01:42 PM
Actually the Official Museum Chainsaw (tm) is Husqvarna.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 25, 2018, 02:20:57 PM
Is Fred the museum spokesman for Husqvarna? ;D

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on January 25, 2018, 02:24:48 PM
Jeff, I bet you would like to be here when were cutting brush!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on January 25, 2018, 04:08:58 PM
Maybe I'm lazy or just can't follow all of the tree clearing progress easily, but would it be possible to show on the Mountain Extension map the extent of the tree clearing so far?

Thanks in advance,
Dave Crow
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on January 25, 2018, 04:52:39 PM
Here's the map (also found in the Nov/Dec 2017 Newsletter.)
(http://wwfry.org/pics/MountainExtensionSectionMapLowRes.jpg)


Track ends at Location 1; the tree that was blocking the ROW just south of Location 1 was removed on 1/20/18, then skidded out using #9.

Trees have been (or are being) cleared from Locations 1 to 4 and Location 8. We are waiting to remove trees at Location 6 (Section 3) due to permitting. Trees have also been cleared at Locations 13-17.

Goal for spring/summer: Repair ROW up to Location 9.
Goal for Fall Work Weekend: Lay track up to Location 9 (1300 feet from Location 1).

Mike or Jason can offer corrections/comments.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 25, 2018, 06:00:12 PM
Right on Ed.

Track laying will be the big push, so we are going to try a few ideas to aid in the laying.

First, a new method for moving and laying rail is being planned. It is a work in progress, so I hope the planners try it out before use this fall.

Second, and this may just be about the best improvement, but has been done before. We will pre stage ties. Stacks of 30, every 60 feet. This will enable us to use our help steadily, with less down time as the car is reloaded. We will also place spikes, joint bars and bolts near these piles, so everything is there as we go along.

And lastly. The new rail distribution will be with heavier equipment, so new "insta-track" braces will be made. This will allow steady northward progess, and a spiking crew can follow along.

1200 feet may seem like a lot, but, 300 feet a day using the old way was not uncommon.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 25, 2018, 08:58:09 PM
Jeff, I bet you would like to be here when were cutting brush!

Fred,

I'm not to be trusted with a chainsaw. :o

Jeff
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 25, 2018, 09:01:53 PM
Here's the map (also found in the Nov/Dec 2017 Newsletter.)
(http://wwfry.org/pics/MountainExtensionSectionMapLowRes.jpg)


Track ends at Location 1; the tree that was blocking the ROW just south of Location 1 was removed on 1/20/18, then skidded out using #9.

Trees have been (or are being) cleared from Locations 1 to 4 and Location 8. We are waiting to remove trees at Location 6 (Section 3) due to permitting. Trees have also been cleared at Locations 13-17.

Goal for spring/summer: Repair ROW up to Location 9.
Goal for Fall Work Weekend: Lay track up to Location 9 (1300 feet from Location 1).

Mike or Jason can offer corrections/comments.

What will it take to repair the ROW at location 4, the slide? Also, any particular ROW work planned for SWW?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on January 25, 2018, 09:52:38 PM
Mike Fox wrote:
Location 4 is getting repaired by our local contractor. Gravel fill faced with stone, like the big fill at location 1 was.   

[Moderator's Note: SWW thread is here: http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3124.0.html (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3124.0.html) ]
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 25, 2018, 11:54:36 PM
1200 feet may seem like a lot, but, 300 feet a day using the old way was not uncommon.

Which leads to the question:  What is our record for track laying on a work weekend?

I have two guesses:
-- Fall 2001, when we laid the main line between Sheepscot Mills to and across Humason Brook; or
-- Two years later, when we laid the track from Trask's Crossing to Alna Center.

OK, I just cheated, and looked at the old newsletters posted on the forum.  50+ volunteers laid about 1,350 feet of track in October 2001; and not quite 1,300 feet with 60+ volunteers during the 2003 fall work weekend. 

So 1,200 feet this fall sounds very reasonable.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 26, 2018, 12:26:15 AM
It would be nice if, particularly in Section 3, some of the low branches and small trees down to the creek were removed to open up the view of the stream for passengers. Maybe not this winter, but next winter for sure...... Ever since the first time I walked this section, I've admired the view of the stream from there.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 26, 2018, 01:29:53 AM
We may be able trim some branches, but that is a shoreland area and we can do very little. We could remove downed deadwood to improve that, but very limited small vegitation can be cut. There is a spot between location 8 and 9 that is out of the shoreland that can be limbed, and that area is very scenic.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on January 26, 2018, 01:51:07 PM
Ed,

Thanks for posting the map and summarizing the cutting locations.

Dave Crow
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on February 13, 2018, 01:57:33 PM
Saturday Mountain Extension Work Plan:

We have gotten permission from the DEP to clear trees from the permitted Section 3 "Pinch Point" area!  This will be done, along with burning as much of that new slash, and old slash remaining from prior clearing on Section 4.

Mike will drive up first thing in the AM.

Diesel work train with one coach will depart SS 8:30AM.  Volunteers who want to help with cutting and burning are encouraged to ride this train, however feel free to ride a later public train up to the action. 

Steam passenger trains will begin running at 10AM with two coaches.  They will run at least hourly, last train leaving SS at 2PM.

There will be a caboose set up at ToM with heat, hot chocolate, and Steve P to host the public.

Should be a good shin-dig, we hope to see you!!

see ya
Jason
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 13, 2018, 02:04:12 PM
It has been mentioned before, but don't wear your Sunday best near the brushpiles.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on February 13, 2018, 05:35:16 PM
Hi Folks,

To help us get us started on the right foot this Saturday I'll be cooking up a breakfast of eggs, biscuits, meats, and fruit along with coffee and tea to wash it all down. I'll make eggs to order, but if you want poached, you might be on your own. I'll have breakfast up starting at 7:30 and will be clearing up at 8:15 before the work train departs.

See you there,
Steve
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 17, 2018, 11:47:07 PM
First things first. I would like to say a big thank you to all that came and helped today. It was a great time. I cut down 95% of the trees that were cut down, and after we got a good rhythm going, the tree would hit the ground, and two more saws (thanks Jay and Stewart) would work the top up while I worked up from the butt. Steve Z was up early, cut a few trees and the walking was getting to his knees. Fred came up, wanted to know why we didn't have two fires going, and left I think with Steve, probably right after we lit the second pile.
So, get to the photos you say...ok

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0217181130a_zpsvspeslwj.jpg)
Looking South at second burn pile

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0217181144_zpspslrcwvm.jpg)
Looking North, across location 6, at second burn pile

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0217181357_Burst01_zps2wsdgqwo.jpg)
Looking south, halfway between between location 7 & 8

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0217181357_zpsx1n8kd5e.jpg)
Zoomed in on Bob Cavanaugh

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0217181403_zpsybskx0pk.jpg)
Looking North from halfway between location 4 & 5, Dwight walking toward the second pile

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Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on February 18, 2018, 12:44:42 AM
DID YOU KNOW?:  That a well organized WW&F volunteer crew can make a substantial tree disappear (from initial cut to stacking/burning) in UNDER five minutes?

Remarkable!

Also, there were at least 40 snow-chasing visitors today coming to the railroad to hike/snowshoe.  Lots of little kids enjoying the experience.  A very successful snow weekend!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on February 18, 2018, 12:55:30 AM
Paid passenger count was 74... we’re very pleased with our first winter service offering.  More details will come...

Cutting crew did fabulous.  The combined work/ public event blended nicely and made for a great festive atmosphere.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on February 18, 2018, 12:59:49 AM
As I said when this was first announced, this was a brilliant idea. I'm sure it will grow if it's done again.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 18, 2018, 01:03:58 AM
We were too far away from the train to get many visitors, so we had no idea how many guests were around. The ones that did make the trek to us were very interested in what we were doing and why.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on February 18, 2018, 03:13:52 AM
Paid passenger count was 74... we’re very pleased with our first winter service offering.  More details will come...

I was very impressed with how today went.  Like Mike, I was mainly on the Mountain Extension today with tree cutting and burning, so only had a chance to talk with a couple of families there, but they were greatly enjoying the event.  I did have some time near the end of the day at Top of Mountain to talk with visitors as we picked up coach #8 for the trip back to Sheepscot.  They also had a great time.

Nice, nice job done by Steve P., Jason and everyone who made today's public event happen.  And thank you, Cindy, for the nice lunch for the tree cutting crew.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on February 18, 2018, 10:11:36 PM
Mike
Thanks for adding location numbers
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 18, 2018, 10:27:47 PM
I know the map is available for reference, so I figured it will help with knowing where we are.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on February 19, 2018, 12:07:16 AM
Agree Mike.  Whenever we are doing work on the Mtn Extension, map numbers should be included on postings to the Forum.  It really helps orient us, even if we are not there in person.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on February 19, 2018, 01:57:57 AM
Second that.
Clearing and grubbing the entire ROW to 218 looks close to done. Outstanding!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on February 19, 2018, 01:00:17 PM
We're not all done yet. Mike hauled a lot of hardwood trees out near 218 at the North end that has to be cut into firebox length and hauled back to Sheepscot as well as some soft wood to give away. Might take 2 or 3 Sats. to do it.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on February 19, 2018, 08:28:04 PM
Hi Paul, Entire ROW to 218 is far from being complete as far as cutting the tree's.

Form the south headed north, Section 4 up to location 9 is complete. Plus a very short distance more. Location 9 is the end of planned track work during Fall Work Weekend.  We  stop putting brush to the fire's around 2PM. This is to give the fire's time to burn down before we leave around 4PM. This year we continued to cut tree's and brush past 2PM, so we have many brush piles still waiting to be burned. Both on the south and north ends of the ROW.

Section 6 Location 9 to Section 6 location 13 (trout brook) have not been cleared.  Just a short distance at Location 13, the south side of Trout Brook has been cleared   for work on the south bridge abutment.

All tree's and brush has been cleared in section 7, Bridge site to 218.

We can only burn when ground is covered with snow. During 2017 by the end of February  there was no snow.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on February 19, 2018, 10:12:29 PM
Many thanx for the details, Dwight. 
I'll follow and note dis woik on my map copy, as I usually do.
It's all good!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on February 19, 2018, 10:39:03 PM
Mike, do all the stumps on the shoulders of the roadbed get pulled, or will they be left to rot on their own?  I assume there is plenty of clearance to the dynamic envelope of the train from all remaining trees along the right-of-way?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 20, 2018, 12:03:25 AM
Hi Dave. Only going to remove what is necessary to prep the roadbed. Most of the rest are going to be cut flush with the ground and let them rot in place..or at least that is my intention. It all depends if we get to it or not..

Should be plenty of clearance for the train. If anything is close, we can always cut them later.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 24, 2018, 11:32:49 PM
It was a slow day as expected, but we burnt all previously cut brush, limbed the big pine, then after lunch cut the remaining trees and limbs that were by the road that we had not cut yet.

The pine was fun. I climbed the extension ladder to the crotch, then pulled the ladder apart so I could climb higher and reach the limbs.

Standing on location 16 looking South.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0224181027b_zpsp3gqbyjn.jpg)

Looking North toward 218.
Standing between locations 14 & 15

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0224181444d_zpsfarlctwj.jpg)

(http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/miketrainnut/media/0224181444h_zpsrtsgr8ql.jpg.html)

Fred cut and hauled 2 pickup loads of hardwood for the steam locos.(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0224181448_zpsnkkbugdh.jpg)

Looking South

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0224181304b_zpsovilty30.jpg)

Got my truck out of the way..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0224181500_zps7zuyazbz.jpg)

Dozer is at location 17.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0224181500b_zpshraqzuxy.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0224181501_zpsxhbsyjtn.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on February 25, 2018, 12:21:48 AM
Wow, actually having 218 in our ROW views is pretty amazing.  Can't imagine what it's like for the "old-timers" who have been dreaming this dream for years!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on February 25, 2018, 12:33:44 AM
Speaking as an old-timer, it's about time.  Never would have imagined it when I joined 24 years ago.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on February 25, 2018, 03:50:59 AM
As a relative newbie, about half the time James referenced, I often marvel when I look at the posted history pictures of our progress, or ride thru hill and dale of the Maine countryside on our well laid track, at what has been accomplished since our humble beginning.  I am further amazed that we are planning, permitting, clearing, and soon will begin additional grading down the mountain to 218. 

And that pales when compared to the resurrected buildings, rolling stock, locomotives, facilities, MOW equipment, and a myriad of other things to numerous to list.  Every Museum member should be proud of what has been accomplished by consistent, persistent and dedicated contributions of time, effort, skill, talent and financial resources both great and small.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Carl Soderstrom on February 25, 2018, 08:22:48 PM
James & Bill
Want to feel old AND proud - read the old Newsletters as I have.
Fantastic accomplishments by a dedicated, dynamic group of people. 
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on February 26, 2018, 04:01:50 AM
I can't wait to hear the mauls singing as we head down the mountain and get that bridge in across the brook! I'm especially thankful for all of the friends I've met through helping to rebuild the railway and all of the new ones we are sure to make as progress continues northward, and someday southward.

Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on February 27, 2018, 08:52:05 PM
[Moderator's Note]
A discussion regarding crossing Route 218 was split from this thread and combined with one in the "Members Only" discussion section. If you are a current museum member, and can not access that section, please let me know. If you are not a member, then please join us!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on March 13, 2018, 12:21:45 AM
I'm pleased to announce that at tonight's Alna Planning Board meeting our 5-year plan with the Town was accepted as complete.  The public hearing will be April 2 at 6:30 PM at the Alna Fire Department.  This covers the period July 2017 (yes we're late) thru June 2022.  This plan, once fully approved, will cover construction activities at Sheepscot, Top of Mountain, and the construction activities down the Mountain to 218. 

The Shoreland Zone application/approval from December only applies to 2 places: the bridge, and the pinch point.  This covers everything in between.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 13, 2018, 02:01:49 AM
This is very good news indeed. Thanks for all the hard work by all concerned.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gary Kraske on March 13, 2018, 04:41:23 AM
Just saw a slide show on the digging of the Haarlem River Canal in NYC.  Permitting and financing were a problem even back then.  It took them 21 years to get started digging in 1893 and only 2 years to do it.  A great job getting all the approvals necessary for the "Down the Mountain" phase.  Congratulations.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred M. Cain on March 14, 2018, 03:50:15 PM
Paul,

Hopefully, a lot of your questions can be answered by looking at the Long Range Plan at http://www.wwfry.org/projects/longrangeplan.pdf (http://www.wwfry.org/projects/longrangeplan.pdf) or reading the WW&F Newsletter, a copy of which should be arriving at all members' doorsteps on August 1.

-John

I realize that this is a rather old thread but I was hoping for an update on this.  I was reading the pdf about long range plans but I was curious to know how much of the railway do you ultimately plan to rebuild?  As a life-long rail advocate and enthusiast, I'd just LOVE to see the entire railway rebuilt.  If that's just not possible, perhaps you could get the lion's share of it done, anyways.

There are some wonderful narrow-gauge steam operations in the U.S. but most of them are out west or in Alaska.  It'd be really wonderful if this unique line in the Northeast could be rebuilt.  It'd probably be a major tourist draw and boon to the local economy.

Regards,
Fred M. Cain
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on March 14, 2018, 05:07:38 PM
Hi Fred,

We limit ourselves on focusing on restoring one section of railway at a time, so our energy is currently dedicated to reinstating the railway between Top of Mountain and Route 218.

The current work doesn't guarantee further expansion, but it doesn't bar it either. The Museum has actively sought to preserve the right of way where possible to ensure long term preservation for the future
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred M. Cain on March 14, 2018, 05:30:27 PM
Stephen,

Thanks for your response.  I truly believe it's nothing short of an absolute miracle that so much of your ROW remains intact.  If I lived back there I'd LOVE to help work on this.  Unfortunately I'm in the Upper Midwest.  I can try and send donations, though.  I intend to do that.

Best of luck to you all !  This is a very worthwhile project !

Regards,
Fred M. Cain
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 17, 2018, 10:25:48 PM
DONE!

We finished clearing the Right of Way at Trout Brook Preserve before 10:30 this morning, with a 6 man crew. The only thing left to do is cut up the wood, delivering the softwood to a local man that will burn it in his outdoor boiler. Hardwood will be cut up for use in the locomotives, and possibly a warming fire at Alna Center.

Here is Jay, taken from Location 16, looking South. The Preserve trail entrance is just beyond Jay on the left.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0317181103_zpsramhqi8i.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0317181103a_zpsyh25geb6.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on March 17, 2018, 10:45:18 PM
[Moderator's Note]
Topic title changes to reflect the "branding" of "The Mountain Extension" of the WW&F Railway Museum. (Note that this topic dates back long before the name was conceived.)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on March 17, 2018, 11:31:18 PM
Mike, have we now finished all tree clearing on the Mountain Extension.  That's cause for celebration!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 17, 2018, 11:39:11 PM
Looking at the quality of the chairs  by the burn pile it appears the quality of Fred's supervision position has been upgraded from the old chairs with 2x10's as seats at the TOM.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on March 18, 2018, 01:13:13 AM
Three more images from this morning's tree cutting on the Mountain Extension near Route 218.

Jay Barta strips branches from a fallen tree, while other volunteers get the fire going for the burn pile.  View is looking north toward Route 218 in the distance.

(https://i.imgur.com/SAjZnID.jpg)


As usual, Mike Fox makes good use of the bulldozer, today dragging fallen trees closer to the burn pile so the crew could strip branches and throw them into the fire.

(https://i.imgur.com/mmg2zl2.jpg)


(https://i.imgur.com/sxY78hR.jpg)


It turned very cold as the day progressed, as the wind really kicked up late morning.  Temperature was in the low 20s.

Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 18, 2018, 01:25:16 AM
It would have been a rough day without the dozer. From plowing the crusty knee deep snow to dragging trees, it did make the morning easier.. I think next weekend it will return South for a month and a half..
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on March 18, 2018, 01:52:48 AM
Is it spring yet?  Oh yeah -- that starts Tuesday.  Hopefully Wednesday's nor'easter is a miss.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on March 18, 2018, 03:50:43 AM
I'd say youz guys have gotten the roughest part of TOM ROW clearing in real winter weather under control, with wood removal to come.
Wwwwelllll  dddddddone!
Thnx for the pix.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on March 18, 2018, 10:24:31 AM
Mike makes mention of softwood going to an outdoor boiler.  Have we given any thought about a similar setup to heat the shop or at least a part of the shop instead of oil?
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 18, 2018, 12:46:59 PM
We would need a steady supply of wood to heat the shop. 9 to 12 cords a year of hardwood, probably a lot more of the softwood. And then someone to put the wood in daily..
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 18, 2018, 03:54:29 PM
Congrats to Mike and the crew for completing the ROW cleanup.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 18, 2018, 04:00:19 PM
Looking at the quality of the chairs  by the burn pile it appears the quality of Fred's supervision position has been upgraded from the old chairs with 2x10's as seats at the TOM.

Was there money put into the budget just for that purpose? Or, were those chairs leftover from last August's yard sale? :o

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on March 18, 2018, 04:23:06 PM
Yes. Here's what we're buying for Fred:
http://store.hermanmiller.com/living/lounge-chairs-and-ottomans/eames-lounge-chair-and-ottoman/100077567.html?lang=en_US&mrkgcl=583&mrkgadid=3200073475&rkg_id=h-4adef34bc62d112ca167d47668b1b8f2_t-1521390071&adpos=1o3&creative=177738782085&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CjwKCAjwnLjVBRAdEiwAKSGPIzjApL39T-nEKEJ3635LqMDzYKI6CK5rHqkEtzW_KhsdhwysUHPxARoCRUMQAvD_BwE (http://store.hermanmiller.com/living/lounge-chairs-and-ottomans/eames-lounge-chair-and-ottoman/100077567.html?lang=en_US&mrkgcl=583&mrkgadid=3200073475&rkg_id=h-4adef34bc62d112ca167d47668b1b8f2_t-1521390071&adpos=1o3&creative=177738782085&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CjwKCAjwnLjVBRAdEiwAKSGPIzjApL39T-nEKEJ3635LqMDzYKI6CK5rHqkEtzW_KhsdhwysUHPxARoCRUMQAvD_BwE)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on March 18, 2018, 04:47:30 PM
I brought them over when we first started clearing the area, Mike kept moving the dozer so I couldn't sit on the blade!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on March 18, 2018, 05:11:38 PM
Congratulations you all for cleaning up the ROW in such weather conditions. I can't wait the time when the bridge straddles the brook. I guess it's going to be an other kettle of fish to bring it up there and settle  but you'll make it. Hey  you should adapt the  French motto "Impossible n'est pas français" to the WW&F.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 18, 2018, 07:31:09 PM
Fred is always on the look out for great deals. He found those chairs and saved them from their impending demise. Needs seat heaters though. Fred does not sit long enough to warm the chair.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on March 23, 2018, 01:10:22 AM
[Moderator's Notes]
I did a bit of cleanup. I combined the tree clearing and general mountain extension threads into one mega-thread. I'm hoping that this will help preserve the history of the entire endeavor (first publicly discussed back in 2009!) and also cut down on the re-hashing of the same questions, etc.

I also split off a discussion about expansion plans, if any, beyond our current scope (a railroad stretching from Cross Road to the south to Route 218 to the north, without crossing either thoroughfare.) Because any expansion beyond these parameters are purely speculative, this discussion is taking place in the "Museum Members Only" section.

If you are a museum member and do not have access to the "Museum Members Only" discussions, please email me (forumadmin@wwfry.org) or send me a private message. If you are not a member, please join us! Membership is only $30/yr and you will have the satisfaction of knowing that you are personally part of our effort to rebuild Maine history.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on March 23, 2018, 01:45:25 AM
For those of you who are interested in the gory minutae that it takes to build a railroad, the latest Alna Planning Board submission can be found at http://wwfry.org/?page_id=2033 (http://wwfry.org/?page_id=2033).  It's a few minutes of excitement wrapped up in some boring technical bureaucratese.  This PDF also includes the traffic study, if graphs and numbers really get you excited.

Note that this covers both activities at Sheepscot and for the Mountain, but since I announced the acceptance of the plan on this thread I thought I'd give you the link here.  This is what the townsfolks will be downloading if they go online.

At least it's not as large as the Lynton & Barnstable application.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 23, 2018, 02:00:20 PM
For those of you who are interested in the gory minutae that it takes to build a railroad, the latest Alna Planning Board submission can be found at http://wwfry.org/?page_id=2033 (http://wwfry.org/?page_id=2033).

I took the time to read the Alna Planning Board submission and, though it is lengthy, and sometimes repetitive, I recommend reading it as there are at least three takeaways:

The submission is a good summary blueprint of where we are now and where we are going over the next 4 to 5 years.

Even though much of the verbiage was taken from other places, those who created this submission spent a tremendous amount of time creating the necessary paperwork to get the Alna folks on our side and keep them there.  The Alna town folks support is critically necessary for our continued operation and expansion.

It represents another fine example of what goes on behind the scenes to keep our operations going on a day to day basis and moving forward toward our future goals.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on March 23, 2018, 02:12:08 PM
I started working on this May last year.  I attended the June planning board meeting to get an idea of they wanted.  I missed the July meeting because I was hiking Mt. Katahdin.  I got more input at the August meeting.  I missed the September meeting because I wasn't ready, then at the October meeting they were generally happy with it, but they wanted to wait until the Traffic Study results were in.  Those didn't come in until after the January meeting, so Jason was kind enough to go before them at the February meeting.  This brought the final wave of feedback, which made it into the application for the March meeting.  Then its getting the notification letter written and mailed out to nearby landowners.

Alongside this was the application for the shoreland zone, which allows us to build the bridge and work at the "pinch point".  And after this is done, we'll probably have to do another shoreland zone application for the Head Tide Trail work that needs to happen (tree work mainly, I think).
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on March 23, 2018, 02:36:16 PM
I'll second to Bill. The exhibits maps and Earth photos are very interesting and the whole submission as well. I'll read it little by little. You've done a helluva work. Bravo !
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on March 23, 2018, 06:06:45 PM
I want to join the chorus of praise for the Alna submission. It represents a tremendous amount of work and is very .very well done.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on March 23, 2018, 10:04:25 PM
I, too, would like to extend my appreciation to those volunteers who put their energy and time into assuring our ability to legally and responsibly march northward.
As someone who doesn't enjoy filling out forms or similar exercises, it is all the more impressive to me. I would much rather be pounding spikes all day or standing over a lathe for hours than trying to divine what the acceptable answer to the obscure question might be.
This effort also required the savvy to anticipate and navigate the political process involved in keeping all the interested parties satisfied.
Congratulations and thank you.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Scott on March 24, 2018, 02:00:57 AM
Yes, a most impressive and informative document. Thank you for preparing it and for pointing us all towards it.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on March 24, 2018, 11:42:31 PM
James and crew:  an impressive performance!  Thanks.

Having read it through, it gave me a much better appreciation for what we want to achieve and when over the next five years, and how we are going to get there.  Knowing all this, I feel I am in a better place as a volunteer to be both supportive and realistic.

I would would urge anyone who cares deeply about the WW&F to take the hour or so to read the Alna application.  You will learn a whole lot and you will not be disappointed...

Bob
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on March 25, 2018, 04:11:33 AM
An amazing compilation of detailed information, the result of what surely is a staggering amount of work. Congratulations!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 25, 2018, 02:37:58 PM
Having written a number of similar plans during my railroad career, then later on sitting through the hearings on such plans, I can attest to the quality of this one. I just wish many of those I heard were so well done! Great work, guys.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on March 25, 2018, 04:55:19 PM
James
At the very beginning of the site plan submission in the part called Where the WW&F is today you've written "We have a volunteer and/or paid contractual project management presence on site most days....." Please could you tell me what it is I've trouble translating it into French.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on March 25, 2018, 07:56:51 PM
Alain, what that means is that generally there's somebody working at the Museum every day of the week.  During the week, we pay some one on a contract basis, this person provides volunteer and project management during the week.  Weekends it's strictly volunteer.  During the warmer months there's usually someone, paid or not, every day.  Winter months less so.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on March 26, 2018, 04:11:52 PM
Understood thank you James. I'd like to say how much I appreciate the way the association and its leadership keep the members posted about what is going on . Moreover this forum   allows everybody to express their takes on the future of the association in every field,which has things come on in a very positive way . I think it's  really democratic. Too bad very few RR associations have such a forum out here.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 02, 2018, 10:05:13 PM
I am very pleased to announce the we received the permit today for the work on section 3. This includes the retaining wall, 2 cross culverts, ditches and other incidental work..
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on April 02, 2018, 10:49:43 PM
Wahooo!!!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on April 02, 2018, 11:22:17 PM
Yay!  Now there's more work to be done!

Seriously -- this is great news.  I understand all the right-of-way reconstruction can now be completed from current end of track around Location 1 to Location 9 in time to lay track for the fall work weekend.  Mike, with assistance as needed, has done an amazing job securing permits for the Mountain Extension.  I dare say if our Museum had hired professional consultants for the permitting work, it would not have been completed any better or sooner, and it certainly would have come with large added cost to our Museum.

After all these years, I shouldn't be surprised -- but I continue to be amazed by our Museum's latest accomplishments, such as the Mountain Extension permitting, preparations for Trout Brook bridge, the new five-year plan, and the planning for public events, like Saturday's very successful Easter Eggspress
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on April 03, 2018, 01:02:40 AM
And the 5-year plan was approved tonight by the Planning Board - with conditions regarding parking and signage.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 03, 2018, 01:57:56 AM
Congratulations, James.  Well done.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 03, 2018, 03:01:33 AM
Another successful step in our expansion.

Well done all!
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on April 03, 2018, 04:04:26 PM
Congratulations James. Paperwork is never a funny job but it's of paramount importance nowadays while hardly anybody is aware of the time you spent on.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on April 05, 2018, 06:47:22 PM
Link to Wiscasset News article on the planning board approval: http://www.wiscassetnewspaper.com/article/alna-nods-museum-s-plan-conditions/99872 (http://www.wiscassetnewspaper.com/article/alna-nods-museum-s-plan-conditions/99872)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred M. Cain on April 05, 2018, 07:13:17 PM
James,

Congratulations on a job well done, first of all !

Reading through the online newspaper article I couldn't help but get the impression that you have good support from the surrounding community.  That is most certainly not a bad thing!

Regards,
Fred M. Cain
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 06, 2018, 01:04:02 AM
Again, a job well done by a well prepared team with good preparation standing on an excellent reputation.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on April 06, 2018, 01:13:22 AM
The public consisted of Steve Z and Kathy, Steve P, Roger (also representing the fire company), and Terry Ross.  We sent out 80 letters, with only one response.  So either Alna's citizens are happy with our efforts and have no complaints, or they are all exhausted with the school choice fight that just took place.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 08, 2018, 01:09:28 AM
Walking north from the bridge site today. Notice after all the logging this winter, there is minimal ground disturbance.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0407181105a_zpsu8es8jis.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0407181106_zpsrwtz7gjp.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0407181106a_zpsx4qn8ecn.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0407181106b_zpsguxivxcl.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0407181107_zpsrlzn8uoj.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0407181108_zpsft9d6ogd.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0407181108a_zpsapv7sutm.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 20, 2018, 01:37:03 PM
I completed the paperwork for the next Permit by Rule last night. All ready for a signature.

This permit is for the 3 culverts needed (locations 8, 9 & 10) the next 2 years, as well as laying track north to location 11.

I plan on mailing Monday.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on April 21, 2018, 12:52:45 PM
Great work Mike and a big thank you for all of your effort on that paperwork.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on April 21, 2018, 12:55:58 PM
I second Duncan's thank you.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on April 22, 2018, 04:17:33 PM
Good job of work on the ground and at your desktable.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 01, 2018, 04:56:03 PM
We received notification that the permit has been approved.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on May 01, 2018, 06:50:48 PM
According to the permit, when can you start with the earthwork?   Although I'm still recovering from SWW,  I can't wait until FWW.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 01, 2018, 07:55:29 PM
There is no limit on the pinch point one, but the most recent one is no in stream work prior to July 15th. All in-stream work will be done next summer (2019). There is only one culvert on the permit we will be doing this year.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 13, 2018, 01:47:04 AM
No more duck under. I wished after that I would have video'd this. The tree and stump fell in rather spectacular fashion..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0512181537_zpsjbqgktuv.jpg)
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on May 27, 2018, 02:02:30 AM
Mike Fox set a 15" culvert for Location 16 (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,898.msg35114.html#msg35114) today (Correct me, Mike, if this is location 15).  Mike will be setting culverts at locations 14 through 17, plus one near Route 218, before gravel can be brought in to complete right-of-way preparations so equipment can be brought in later this summer for bridge site preparation and delivery of the Moose Brook bridge.

After delivering the dozer and the Kubota to the work site in the morning, Mike brought up two 20-foot-long 15" culverts after lunch.  The paved road in front of Mike's truck is Route 218.

(https://i.imgur.com/HfFQC0y.jpg)


Mike then proceeded with excavation for the culvert using the Kubota.

(https://i.imgur.com/MsVXUoG.jpg)


Mike received expert supervision as he progressed...

(https://i.imgur.com/vAN2TZ3.jpg)

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The culvert at this location ended up being a little more than 29 feet long.  After the first 20-foot-long culvert was placed, Mike applied some grease inside its bell mouth to more easily receive the next culvert piece.  Note the sledgehammer and bar.  Some ledge was found along the west end of the excavation, so Dave Buczkowski and Mike had to do some work to fit the culvert.
 
(https://i.imgur.com/88cw5y3.jpg)


Once the full length of culvert had been set, Mike finished backfilling the excavation.  One culvert done -- four more to go.

(https://i.imgur.com/ATXbRRO.jpg)


Signs were placed today to let everyone know local trails are open while ROW preparations are underway.

(https://i.imgur.com/HA6y68C.jpg)

Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 27, 2018, 07:32:31 PM
Ledge was not entirely unexpected, but was hoping it would be deeper. We got that one done anyhow. Got to fix the road up so Fred can work up that wood..
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 10, 2018, 01:48:36 AM
Contractor Jeff left 2 loads of gravel where I wanted them..

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Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on June 10, 2018, 04:16:33 PM
Mike, I must say that you do not mess around when you set to work on a project. Great job! Wish I could be there to help.
Duncan
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 10, 2018, 09:19:04 PM
We have a time line to keep. Two culverts to go and then things will look different very quickly.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on June 10, 2018, 09:37:40 PM
Keep up the great work, Mike.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on June 10, 2018, 11:26:08 PM
How will we tastefully block off the end of the ROW from 218?  Bollards?  A Kiosk?  Landscaping?  Something to think about...
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 10, 2018, 11:44:35 PM
Bob,
I am making a ROW MOW yellow barricade. Something easily seen, easily moved, but will keep the honest folks out of the area. When we are completely done, there is a rather large piece of ledge that I left on the side..
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on June 11, 2018, 03:41:55 AM
How will we tastefully block off the end of the ROW from 218?  Bollards?  A Kiosk?  Landscaping?  Something to think about...

Well, when we finish the mountain extension there will be rails and ties blocking the entrance.  Who would drive down a rail road track?

Oops, I forgot, there might be the possibility that beer could be involved......
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on June 11, 2018, 12:11:33 PM
How will we tastefully block off the end of the ROW from 218?  Bollards?  A Kiosk?  Landscaping?  Something to think about...

Well, when we finish the mountain extension there will be rails and ties blocking the entrance.  Who would drive down a rail road track?

Oops, I forgot, there might be the possibility that beer could be involved......

...or other chemical substances.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on June 11, 2018, 12:21:06 PM
Short ties and two-foot gauge track won't slow down a yahoo in a big honking 4-wheel drive truck! I call for Jersey barriers at our property line with 218.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on June 11, 2018, 12:22:45 PM
Only "might be" involved? Wow, oh ye of modest faith. LOL
In my "neck of the woods" it would be foregone conclusion. I live in front of and abutting a long-ago discontinued trolley ROW, now part of privately-owned property. To this day we have younger folks who feel that riding dirt bikes, atv's and even the occasional car or truck upon it is perfectly acceptable conduct. Only a well placed tree or washout can stop the folks who try to drive upon it. The museum might encounter the same sort of mindset from members of the younger (and perhaps some of the not so young) generation once the access to 218 becomes more easily traversed.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred M. Cain on June 11, 2018, 12:41:27 PM
So, is this slated to be the permanent end of the line or are there aspirations  of eventually crossing State Route 218?

Regards,
Fred M. Cain
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on June 11, 2018, 12:58:15 PM
Probably stop for a bit, replace lots of ties, do things at TOM. and at sheepscot. Lots of things on hold right now.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on June 11, 2018, 03:51:07 PM
Things are in the works as well as timelines so that our members will know what to expect, what hurdles need to be met, what happens in the mean time, etc. There will be a short pause to allow us to get caught up with a few campus projects such as roundhouse, shingle mill, etc. When the time comes, we hope to keep all of our wonderfull supporters aware of whats going on like we have managed to do with the Mountain Extension.

The Mountain Extension is no longer a when will this be completed project, but a IT WILL BE COMPLETED project. And IT WILL be completed by 2021 provided nothing drastic happens. It continues to sadden me to hear people who are in doubt and do not want to tell people about our timeline. Honestly, having a timeline and can do attitude makes us successful.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 17, 2018, 01:19:02 AM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0616180830c_zps5qwgzlbq.jpg)

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Location 15

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Looking North from location 15 toward 218. Gravel pile is on location 16

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Looking North at location 15

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Looking South at Location 15
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on June 17, 2018, 01:01:31 PM
Once again, fantastic work, Mike.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on June 24, 2018, 04:07:08 AM
New Hydraulic Motor also has a higher travel speed when you throttle up the engine.

The used air compressor puts out more air 185, CFM ( cubic foot minute)

In preparation for the big 1200 ft track laying this fall several things are coming together.  Dwight provided the rail drill which will greatly speed up installing miss fitting joint bars or where a split rail end needs to be trimmed and re-drilled.  It occurred to me that the joint bar bolt impact wrench batteries are now several years old.  I found that DeWalt now offers a 6Ah 20V battery which has twice the capacity as the current ones, so I have acquired two which I will bring up this summer. 

With the rebuilt tamper and current tools our FWW mountain extension track laying, and next SWW ballasting, aligning, surfacing, tamping and dressing should go much more smoothly.  All we will need are enthusiastic volunteers and we will continue to reach our goals.

We all get the added benefit of renewing friendships, sharing great food, enjoying the smell of coal and steam and of course the wonderful train rides to and from the work site.  What could be better?  I can't wait....
Title: Re: Mountain Extension - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 24, 2018, 07:39:22 PM
2 moose and at least 2 deer visited the road over night..

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Knocking down the piles of gravel
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(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0624180733a_zpsdwzn38tn.jpg)

Gravel pushed almost to the walking trail entrance.

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