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Title: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 14, 2009, 04:01:09 PM
Do you think we may be able to make it to 218 by the 25th year?

I'd call it a definite maybe.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on July 15, 2009, 01:16:26 AM
Just out of curriosity, how much money, roughly, would it take to lay down the remaining track to 218, including the bridge?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Allan Fisher on July 15, 2009, 04:52:29 AM
A reasonable estimate for 6000 track feet of rail would be $120,000 at todays rail price.

$70,000 for ties, spikes and culverts.

$100,000 to repair two large washouts and one major landslide.

$60,000 in excavating and ballast costs.

$30,000 for the queen truss bridge over Carleton Brook (this may be high)

Total is $380,000.

If we used annual fundraiser for next 7 years just to extend track, we could be at Rt 218 in 6 to 7 years.

But as you know we have other needs to provide for.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on July 16, 2009, 03:36:17 AM
On a shorter term goal how much will it cost to put down track from current EOT to TOM or has the board desided to stop where it is now? Also how much will it cost to finish the rebuild of #9?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Allan Fisher on July 16, 2009, 04:37:03 AM
As I keep saying to those of you who think the only ideas or plans come from this discussion forum. Relax, take a deep cleansing breath, and have a little faith in your board. Also read the long range plan again. All will happen in good time, and the museum will not lose momentum or the faith of its tracklaying and non-tracklaying volunteers.

All will be well, I promise.

Remember that the newsletters and the annual capital fund raising letter are the principal methods of sharing information from the board - NOT this discussion forum.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 16, 2009, 12:19:43 PM
To echo what Allan said...
I heard this at Sheepscot the other day:
"The discussion forum is nice, but the decision forum meets once a month in the Percival house."

The BOD does read this forum and the ideas are shared. However, the forum is not the place where official announcements, etc. are normally disseminated. Not everyone on the BOD has computer access, either. We also have to remember that the BOD is privy to information that can not be shared publicly, but has a major impact on what decisions are made and how they are carried out.

It would be great to get a bucket of money and rebuild to 218 and/or Head Tide, or south to Wiscasset. But then what? The operation and maintenance would exceed our current capabilities. We have to grow slowly - and not make a classic mistake of getting too big, too soon.

When I did a limited amount of railroad modeling, the fun part didn't come when the layout was "done", it came in the building of the track, models, trains, etc. We're effectively doing the same thing.

I guess the best thing to do if one feels strongly about a particular issue is to find one of the BOD members and ask them directly. I also understand that BOD meetings are open to the membership.

Overall, I think we're doing an amazing job following the Long Range Plan that has laid out our growth strategy since 2005. We've been steadily increasing the mainline, continuing to maintain our locomotives, cars, and track. Car 103 was restored - although work still needs to be done on the roof. #9's restoration is entering its final stages, the water tank is operational, and we have a new flat car. Planning for the restrooms and new parking facilities is done, with land clearing underway and grading anticipated for early this fall. We extended our shop, allowing more space for indoor storage.

Also, many of the minor projects have been completed (or are well underway.) We've cleared Averill Road and now can store stone at Alna Center. We've started to improve volunteer intercommunication (in part, through this forum.) I can't speak for accounting, financial development, or marketing, but I do know we have had some action (and success) in securing grants that have contributed to the completion of many projects. Sheepscot Mills is assembled, ready for use; and the Model T will be finished within a handful of weeks.

And that's just what I know off the top of my head as a non-BOD member "from away."

Let's be proud of what we've accomplished in the last 5 years, and look forward to the next. 
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on July 17, 2009, 11:54:50 PM
I guess I must be the MOST HATED person to post on this forum as it seems any time I post I am either pasted by or I am rebuffed in some way. I get the feeling the BOD would just asoon I went away someplace.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on July 18, 2009, 12:19:06 AM
Paul,

Hopefully, a lot of your questions can be answered by looking at the Long Range Plan at http://www.wwfry.org/projects/longrangeplan.pdf (http://www.wwfry.org/projects/longrangeplan.pdf) or reading the WW&F Newsletter, a copy of which should be arriving at all members' doorsteps on August 1.

-John
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 18, 2009, 02:06:14 AM
Woah!

I'm not going to edit your post, Paul, but I really do not think that the BOD has anything against you, or anyone else who participates in this forum.

I think we all are passionate about the WW&F and that passion manifests itself in different ways. Some can serve as BOD members, some can be weekly volunteers, some can help from afar on certain projects, some can be "armchair railfans" and wish they had the time, money, and/or opportunity to help the WW&F in person.

All of us mingle in the Forum, all show passion and dedication, and there is a place for us all at this table.

I believe, in this instance, the BOD was simply trying to let us (the general membership) know that the decision had been made as to what the configuration would be at the Top of the Mountain. Frankly, I thank them for chosing the forum as that medium, and trust their judgement. I can also observe that the discussions and ideas here have had impact at the museum.

In short, Paul (and anyone else), you are welcome (and encouraged) to discuss the WW&F here. As far as I am concerned, only topics that could have a negative impact on the railroad museum are off limits. (Sometimes I know in advance what they are, sometimes I do not.) I do not consider the TOM discussion closed - we still have to build it. But, for now, the BOD has given us the courtesy of letting us know what their intent is when we get that far.

Let's work together to get there, then on to 218 and beyond.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 18, 2009, 02:11:32 AM
On a shorter term goal how much will it cost to put down track from current EOT to TOM or has the board decided to stop where it is now?

It is my understanding that there will be additional track laid this fall. However, the grading is not completed to the TOM. (It's pretty close, but not quite.) I suspect we'll know soon exactly what the plans are - I do not believe they have been settled, yet. (We also are awaiting a shipment of rail, which until it arrives at Sheepscot, is never a done deal.)

The annual fundraising letter is due out soon - and I'm sure the details will be settled by then.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 18, 2009, 12:24:26 PM
I live nearly 600 miles from the railroad and get to Sheepscot 4-5 times a year.  Over the last 12 years I have been able to sit in on a few Board meetings and have always been welcomed warmly.  I can state that the Board carefully considers all requests and ideas that come before the panel.  The best way for members to submit an idea is to send a letter to the President or Board Secretary.  It will be read and discussed.  Ed's "echo" post was spot on.  Speaking as the Board Chair of my local Fire Department, there are a number of things that affect Board rulings.  Some are not broadcast to the membership at large.  The most crucial issues are often driven by financial and legal concerns.  The legal aspects for the WW&F Board include right-of-way preparation and land use.  These decisions are best left to the Board members that we elect to govern the museum. 

I look forward to seeing the mainline and siding track built at TOM but I understand that there are a number of things affecting the extension.  The well known issues have already been discussed.  Another issue is that the museum does not own all of the land that we build track on.  Agreements with land owners are key to our expansion.  As I remember the museum has to get land use agreements for some of the ground at TOM.   There are a number of things that must be worked out in a certain order and land agreements are at the top of the list.  Being a good neighbor with families who own land in Alna is key to our local support and museum expansion.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on July 19, 2009, 03:52:20 PM
Please Read this is to the BOD. I had an Idea on what to do at the landslide area I think a cheaper way to fix this and is most likely how Old Sam and The original railroad might have fixed this problem. This would be to cut the shelf for the right of way back into the hillside to the weith needed. I do not know what kind of materal the hillside consisted of so it may be nessary to do some retaining wall to hold the side of the cut. If you have already thought of this then ohwell. Maybe something to think about. Hope this may helps.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 19, 2009, 10:13:38 PM
Paul, Unfortunately we don't have much room to shelf that to acquire the "Borrow" to fill the washout. The Right of way is only 66 feet wide and in that area. it is up hill one way and down the next. The former President met with atleast one, probably more, local contractors to see about fixing this area up. The material they can haul in will be much better than the clay earth that is found along the ROW. Gravel will provide a much better base.

 And to add to what Ed said about the "Decision Forum", we know where the decisions are made. By the Board. But with a little discussion from near and far, from members and non-members (become one today!) some good ideas have come from this discussion forum. As long as EVERYBODY knows that the forum is all talk and the Boad is all action, things will be great. Now if someone else wants to take a deep cleansing breath, go for it.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 19, 2009, 11:53:13 PM
Paul I think you're talking about a "Shoo-fly" if I'm not mistaken.

In another location it might be a great idea, however as Mike mentioned, there's not much room in that particular location.  The immediate ground to railroad east is a steep, high hill, and to railroad west is the stream bed valley, with several dozen vertical feet from road bed to either crest of hill or bottom of stream.  The roadbed was literally cut from the hillside there.

Also Alna seems to be homebase for clay.  Clay is underneath everywhere you look, just about.

Additionally, the local conservation group, Sheepscot Valley Conservation Association, doesn't like the washout anymore than we do (but for very different reasons) and would like it dealt with/stabilized.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on July 20, 2009, 01:05:04 AM
Guess I misunderstood. I thought at least part of the original shelf was still there. So what I thought could be done was to cut back more into the hillside to realine the track.
By the way how much right of way was lost?
As for membership I already am a member in fact I am life member #537 thank you.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 20, 2009, 10:59:05 AM
How much is left?  The last time I looked (last year) a section about 15 feet long up to the centerline of the roadbed had washed out.  We've had some pretty heavy rain this year and it rained almost all of June, so I would expect even more of the roadbed has eroded away.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 22, 2009, 11:17:00 PM
Paul, My membership plug was aimed at any non-members that may be reading. As we know, it's the only way to get the Newsletter by mail.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on July 23, 2009, 10:54:22 PM
Mike
 Just wanted to let you that I like You am a member of this GREAT orginasation even though unlike you I have not ever seen the Museum in person I wish I could change that as I would like to see and experance the history there.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 25, 2009, 12:07:32 AM
It's worth the trip. On to 218
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on July 25, 2009, 01:34:10 PM
In looking at this mess at the slide area I cann't help getting the feeling that something needs to be done here before things get worste. Seems I heard that what may have caused this to happen is that the drainage system after 80 years with no maintaince is not working. If this is so and this area is on W&Q property might it not be a good idea to repair the drainage system so that more damage is lessened so that the cost of repairing this will not go up any more than nessary. I understand labor is now becoming short as the the line grows but maybe a crew could go out at the upcoming work weekend if enough people show up. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 25, 2009, 10:13:50 PM
Part of the problem is this washout is not on W&Q property, but on private property.  At this time we have no access to the land.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on July 26, 2009, 01:04:21 AM
Thats too bad. Hope we can get control of this area soon so something can be done to keep more damage from happening.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dana Deering on July 28, 2009, 12:02:06 PM
Here's my theory about the cause of the landslide and a way to prevent more in the future while we work to get over that section:  At the time the landslide occurred we had a lot of rain and the clay soil became saturated and lost its adhesion to whatever base was underneath.  The other factor in play was that in the 60 plus years since the end of operations the trees had grown to a substantial hieight with a realtively shallow but wide root base.  Then, we had a period of several days of very high winds on top of the saturating rain.  The trees caught the wind and acted like giant levers and pried the bank loose from its tenuous moorings and everything slid to the bottom of the fill.  The two things that could be done to prevent more of the same would be to cut the trees and restore the drainage.  I think removing the trees would go along way toward halting further slides.  A little sunshine wouldn't hurt, either.  For June and July we are 10 inches above normal for rainfall...
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Horky on July 28, 2009, 11:04:43 PM
Dana
 I could not agree with you more unforunetly as James pointed out it isn't our ballfield to play on YET although I can guess that the BOD is working to change that [though this is probalbly TOP SECERT stuff and can't And shouldn't be Talked about now]. Lets hope the BOD can work their magic in smoozing the neibors into some kind of land use agrement soon.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on September 28, 2011, 04:21:25 PM
What does the mueseum plan on doing once the ROW reaches route 218? Is the ROW going to cross the road and continue on towards Head Tide or is there going to be a station there to make it the official end of track of the museums track?  ???
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 28, 2011, 04:33:27 PM
I do not know if that has been decided yet, as it is beyond the scope of our current Long-Range plan.

The Long-Range Plan is in the midst of being updated. Once complete, I suspect that it will be published on our web site, as is the case with the current edition of that document.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on September 28, 2011, 04:37:14 PM
Alright. I was just wondering if we would build a little station (like Alna Center) there if we stop the ROW there or if we keep going past Route 218, we could maybe make a passing siding or picnic area for people to get off of and have a little snack and wait for the train to come back (Like what the East Broad Top does) :)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 28, 2011, 10:24:45 PM
Good to have you back Matthew.  Here are a few facts and options.
 
To get to the Rt 218 crossing the museum must -
(A) Secure land owner permission on a few parcels.
(B) Repair a large wash out on the grade.
(C) Build a 90' bridge at Trout/Carlton Brook. 
Head Tide had an agent station so if a depot is built it would most likely resemble the original Head Tide structure, although it would not be in the original location. 

The museum can then -
(1) Apply to cross 218 and build along the river towards the Head Tide cut.
(2) Not build the crossing but build track, starting on the north side of the crossing and build towards the cut.
(3) Stop building track and operate the roughly 3.5 miles of railroad.
(4) Stop building north and come back to Sheepscot and build track south towards Wiscasset.

Some of these ideas have been discussed for the last 15 years and may be in the next LRP.

Stewart
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 28, 2011, 11:38:41 PM
We're planning for the next LRP to include a business plan which will explore the various options.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on September 29, 2011, 04:19:27 PM
I heard about a plan on the old topics that there was a plan for a Wye or Armstrong Turntable to be made if we pick not to cross Route 218, is this still in the plan or has both solutions been turned down?  ??? :)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 29, 2011, 04:48:11 PM
Hi Matt,

Since we haven't decided yet, any options are on the table. We'll cross that bridge, when we... cross the bridge we have to build.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on June 14, 2012, 01:19:07 AM
Does anybody have any possible maps of what the ROW would look like if we continue the track laying process towards Head Tide that starts at Route 218. I tried using Google Map but I cant find the ROW at all past route 218? I can only see the ROW from Alna Center to Route 218.  :-\
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on June 14, 2012, 11:25:47 AM
Matt,

Ed had made you a map of the Head Tide area back in 2008 when the winter crew cleared trees from the Head Tide Cut:


Does anyone have a map to pin point the exact location of this photo along the WW&F ROW?

Matt, I made one just for you...
(http://www.spongeawareness.com/maps/topomap2.jpg)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on June 21, 2012, 06:19:32 PM
I know he made that map but it has an arrow that points towards Head Tide at the top of it. I want to know the ROW that goes beyond the arrow thats on that map or is the arrow on that map the stoping point of the plans on reconstructing the ROW north?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on June 21, 2012, 06:28:16 PM
Hi Matt,

You missed the link in the posting. I embedded the image above.

The end of existing track is clearly marked, as well as all obstacles to 218. Head Tide Station is labeled at MP 9. However, to get to the station site, we would have to cross through the property labeled "red cape." The current owners of that property have a horse corral on the old railroad grade; passing through their property is unlikely.

Realistically, we could build to the crossing on the other side of the road the red cape is on. However, getting that far would take buckets of money and volunteers.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on June 21, 2012, 08:07:56 PM
A walk north toward 218 from the current end of track is very educational. The landslides and washouts are huge, and will be very expensive and time consuming to repair. The brook is far below and the railroad runs on a narrow shelf at best.  Beyond all of that is the missing bridge over Trout Brook, which is going to require a much more substantial structure than Humason Brook trestle.  After that, you have a fairly straight run to 218 which is a short distance away. Realizing what it has taken to get as far as we have, I can't imagine seeing our arrival at 218 in less than 20 years, if then.  Not unless a real wealthy benefactor suddenly appears and drops a bundle of money on the museum. And perhaps not even then.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on June 21, 2012, 09:52:24 PM
But it's going to happen...all of it. So smile and enjoy the ride!  :)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 22, 2012, 12:35:32 AM
Stephen, I smile and dream of the ride ;D
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on June 22, 2012, 12:49:24 AM
They kept telling us MeC #501 at North Conway was going to "happen", and The "Flying Yankee", and B&M P4 #3713, and other things.  Some of us are running out of time to see these things happen. Some already HAVE run out of time, while dreaming and giving money to see them happen.  We're not all going to live another 50 or 75 years.  I'm beginning to take a more realistic view of the probabilities.  This is not being critical, only pointing out a fact. 

Carry on!
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on June 22, 2012, 01:48:31 AM
They kept telling us MeC #501 at North Conway was going to "happen", and The "Flying Yankee", and B&M P4 #3713, and other things.  Some of us are running out of time to see these things happen.

I appreciate your concern Dick, as the actuarial tables tell me that I have less than 15 years left. However, a look at the WW&F Newsletter of ten years ago (May/June 2002), is very encouraging, as I note that while Humason Trestle had been built, track was not yet in service there. The big washout south of Alna Center had not been filled, and the Alna Center station building had not been built.

There are some big obstacles, but our record of overcoming obstacles is substantial. We got a lot of the parking lot fill courtesy of Fred Morse sweet-talking a local truck driver, and we got a Marine Reserve unit to build the Humason Trestle. When it comes to "painting fences," we can put Tom Sawyer to shame.

Last, but by no means least, being two-foot rather than standard gauge helps a lot to make projects more manageable, and our chances of political problems, funding problems, and mechanical incompetence are much, much less.

I fully expect to ride the train to Route 218, maybe with oxygen, but I expect to get there. I wish you a corresponding opportunity!

-John

Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on June 22, 2012, 03:16:20 PM
Well, that's a deal.  We'll be the two geezers in wheelchairs with oxygen tanks. I look forward to the trip!  Unfortunately, many now here, will not get there with us.  But, onward and upward.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on June 22, 2012, 03:28:38 PM
Also, unlike the 501, 3713, and FY, the WW&F has never actively sought general donations to extend the track all at once to 218. Instead, we have always done things incrementally - with the last few fund drives focused on the land prep needed to continue building northward.

While this may not work for "all or nothing" restorations like the 501/3713/FY, we have always done things incrementally - and with great success. It is unfortunate that it takes time, but I remain optimistic that both Richard and John will be able to see the train reach 218. Maybe even pulled by No. 11!
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on June 22, 2012, 03:29:02 PM
Unless we can overcome a some significant obstacles, it will be many, many years before we reach Hiway 218. This area also contains the washouts and a bridge. There are many obstacles to pushing northward.
I, too, at my age(75) want to see it happen.
Ira Schreiber
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on August 30, 2012, 08:26:11 PM
Oh I see. plus I don't know if there is a topic here about this but did Head Tide once had a station location there and if or if not it survived, is the location picked at mile post 9 the original location of the depot? Does anyone have any info on this?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on August 30, 2012, 08:34:59 PM
Hi Matt,

Head Tide had a rather sizable (for WW&F standards) station, with an agent, etc. (Sheepscot and Alna Center were unmanned flag stops.) The building was lost many years ago.

The station site is labeled on the above map, near MP9.

The Head Tide station site, however, is north of the famous "red cape" whose property now occupies the right of way. It would take some doing to navigate past it to the actual station site.

(Also, see my response earlier in this thread to your same question.)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on August 30, 2012, 08:43:51 PM
Oh I see. Are there plans in the future to build a replica of the station at Mile Post 9 when the reconstruction of the ROW to Head Tide is completed (In the future).
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on April 26, 2014, 06:21:58 PM
Do my eyes deceive me?  ROW is now ours all the way to Head Tide !!!!!!  Yippee  ;D  Sounds like we need to get crack'in on the bridge design.

Now a couple of important questions; (1) what's the plan to move forward (north), and (2) what's going to be the new northern terminus?  Are we going across 218 and all the way to Head Tide proper or put up a station and runaround just before 218?  Dreaming big I'd love to see going all the way to the old Whitefield station (Big bridge project - I know) but who would have thought we would have gotten this far back in 1995?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on April 26, 2014, 11:19:22 PM
The main limiting factor is the funds required.
Among the other factors limiting expansion is the adversion to crossing Highway 218. This brings us under FRA reporting but the crossing itself is regulated by the State of Maine, not FRA.

My humble opinions, of course.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on April 26, 2014, 11:37:54 PM
The plan is AT LEAST Rt 218.  Head Tide area is in the cards and may happen, but our first focus is a) laying track to Top of the Mountain (this fall), b) the bridge, c) repair of the massive washout on the hillside, and d) restoration of the remainder of the row (at least 3 other washouts that I recall).  Oh and we have to clear the trees and have it graded as well.

During this year we're going to attempt to come up with a realistic cost estimation of the whole project, including to Head Tide.  Depending on the price tag, it may get cut back to 218 or not.  We'll also be coming up with a plan to raise the money.  Feasability of raising the money for the price tag we come up with will determine our course from there.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on April 26, 2014, 11:45:24 PM
I'm glad to hear that Head Tide is in the discussion.  I remember that there were a couple of land parcels that were for sale on both the east and west side of the ROW just north of the cut.  I don't remember whether they sold or not but would be an great place for a station and parking lot for the north end.  I believe one lot was about 2.5 AC and the other almost 3 AC.  If not, could we ever get to the original station site?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 28, 2014, 08:33:24 PM
Hi John,

If you look at some of the preceeding pages you'll see info on getting to the original Head Tide station site which at this point is very unlikely.

Anyway, here's a link to the expansion story written by Susan Johns of the Wiscasset Newspaper.  She visited the railroad over the weekend for interviews with Steve and Jason ...

http://www.wiscassetnewspaper.com/article/picking-steam-alna-railway-museum-s-expansion-hits-milestone/32410#.U16gVN38hXo.facebook
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on April 28, 2014, 08:43:00 PM
Is the parcel really 23 AC or was it a typo and meant to be 2.3 AC.  Even at a 60' ROW, 2.3 AC is a long distance.  If the deal really had to cover 23 AC, is the museum going to retain it, or is the plan to subdivide and keep only the ROW?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Hunt Dowse on April 28, 2014, 09:00:20 PM
That's a good article on the successful purchase of the last piece of the ROW on the way to 218.  Congratulations to everyone involved in making this happen.  And according to the announcement at the SWW, it is indeed 23 acres.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on April 28, 2014, 09:11:33 PM
My understanding (BOD may chime in if they so wish) is that the 23 acres (yes, that is correct) encompasses the ROW and all of Clark parcel to the west of the ROW, and a buffer to the east of the ROW.

This includes the hunting camp on the back portion. The parcel meets (at a corner) land owned by the Sheepscot Valley Conservation Association.

I do not believe the museum has any immediate plans for the property. Although, is nice to have a large parcel that is only accessible by rail, for future museum activities, events, and more.

I will note will great joy that I have created this "official work thread" for our northern expansion. (And I merged in some older, related, topics.)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on April 28, 2014, 09:24:55 PM
That's a good article on the successful purchase of the last piece of the ROW on the way to 218. 
Quite possibly the most correct newspaper article I've ever read!
-John
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on April 28, 2014, 09:32:26 PM
I just thanked the author for her article

How about a Maine version of "Ah Wilderness", the camp along the Durango & Silverton Railroad accessable ONLY by rail. Think of the potential.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on April 28, 2014, 09:34:47 PM
Ed is correct - it is Twenty Three acres.  We offered to buy 23 acres, and drew a line based on the math for the boundary line.  The actual survey hasn't happened yet (we're waiting for the snow to go away), so we don't know exactly where the line is, but we know it's a comfortable distance away from the ROW center line.  The actual ROW on the property is something like 600 feet long.

As for plans for the property - beyond building track and a siding on it, no immediate plans right now.  We're not going to be in a hurry to get rid of it.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 28, 2014, 10:09:41 PM
Ed,

Thanks for putting everything on TOM together.  Glad you didn't call the thread Northern Exposure
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dylan Lambert on April 28, 2014, 10:19:48 PM
Well, tell me when the tracks are going in... I may be poor, but this is one project I don't want to miss.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 28, 2014, 10:49:54 PM
The Fall Work Weekend is when the work is planned.  The weekend is a Friday - Monday event over the Columbus Day weekend.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on April 28, 2014, 10:54:17 PM
Well, tell me when the tracks are going in... I may be poor, but this is one project I don't want to miss.
We have a "Carpool" section of the forum that has been un-utilized. I'm sure if a request is made in advance, someone from your area will be happy to give you a ride. (Heck, if you can get as far as Haverhill, MA - I'll pick you up.) Overnight accommodations at "the Sheepscot Inn" are usually available for $10/night.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on April 29, 2014, 01:14:11 AM
Ira,

I love your idea of a "vacation" camp ala the D&S.  Maybe a "members only" camp as another enticement for volunteers to stay for a spell but to also bring their families along.  Or maybe a WW&F version of the Shady Rest Hotel for those old enough to remember a certain TV show.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on April 29, 2014, 01:39:49 AM
In discussing the camp over the weekend, it was referred to by several folks who have inspected it as "the Porcupine Palace." I'm not certain what that connotes, but I can imagine.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dylan Lambert on April 29, 2014, 03:49:32 AM
Why not make a public campground of it? With some proper promotion, you could get people in... The train gives them something to do in addition to hiking, fishing, yada yada. Problem is if there's enough demand for a campground in the Alna area...
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on April 29, 2014, 10:57:12 AM
I haven't seen the camp, but I was told the building hasn't been maintained in recent years.  I think it's open to the elements, and apparently lots of porcupines have wandered through.  It would require some amount of reconstruction to make it habitable.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 29, 2014, 11:26:22 AM
Noticed this morning that the Wiscasset Newspaper article on the WW&F land purchase, posted on the Museum's facebook page has had close to 1,200 views.  Nice to see the museum getting such good press, especially when the newspaper version hasn't even come out yet.  Thanks to everyone who shared the story on line.  One fellow commented on fb that he's "catching railroad fever"  Hope it's contagious.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on April 29, 2014, 02:14:25 PM
All;
The proposed north/south property line separating our 23 acre lot from Mr. Clark on the preliminary plan drawn by the surveyor is 584.6 +/- feet and grows to 653.6 feet along the western boundary. Those lines are roughly parallel. However, the ROW proceeds from south to north on a westerly angle. So that means the actual ROW is probably greater than 600 feet due to the angle. tTe southerly bound is 1,643.1 +/- feet and the northerly bound is 1,641.2 +/- feet. Mr. Clark retained approxinmately 21+/- acres. Our easterly boundary is very roughly 1215+ feet from Route 218.
Dave
Real Estate & ROW Dept.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Arnold on April 29, 2014, 08:57:54 PM
I just think it would be great for members for work weekends to have a place to pitch a tent for out of state members. As well as if you don't see it from the train and ruin the scenery. Just a stupid question how much row is owned by the museum north of 118?
Mike Arnold
US merchant marine
Www.twinforksnrhs.org
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on April 29, 2014, 10:01:08 PM
We own ROW from the property line of Fossell/Kelly (the Kelly parcel) down to 218, on the other side of 218 (assuming the State owns the road itself) along the river to half-way through Head Tide Church cut.  Then somewhere on the other side of Head Tide Road beyond the Red Cape we own a small chunk of ROW between the cape property and the Alna/Whitefield town line, but I don't know exactly where that is.

Going further north, we own ROW in Whitefield (Kings Mills) from where Rts 218 and 194 meet along the Sheepscot river and then back across 218 to some point further north.  And I think we own another parcel further north, but that's even hazier.

The W&Q owns large chunks of ROW in Whitefield, but I don't know how much and where.  Alna's tax maps helpfully put the WW&F ROW on the maps so that we know where it is.  I know that Whitefield sort of does (as a dashed line) and I don't know about other towns.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dylan Lambert on April 29, 2014, 11:24:19 PM
Alright, that just sounds overly convoluted the farther you get from Top of the Mountain. I would imagine that figuring that out now isn't that important, only because there aren't the available assets to cover a ten-mile operation yet. That, and nothing has been planned out that far yet... I would imagine getting some tracks down into Wiscassett might help with public exposure, but the FRA requirements and whatnot might make that a tad bit more difficult... Not insurmountable, but just a headache.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on April 30, 2014, 12:20:31 AM
I would imagine getting some tracks down into Wiscassett might help with public exposure, but the FRA requirements and whatnot might make that a tad bit more difficult... Not insurmountable, but just a headache.
Dylan,
There are some very substantial difficulties about getting to Wiscasset. There is a place on 218, just north of Old Sheepscot Rd, where the ROW runs parallel to 218 between the highway and a stream. Over the years the road has been widened, and the stream has eroded the ROW. A G-gauge garden railway would fit there, but not anything wider. Further, there are two or three houses that are on the ROW, and I do mean ON.

I'm very much on hopes that a presence on 218, the Turner Centre car at Wiscasset, and publicity in printed and social media around the completion of 9 will get us substantial public exposure. Who knows, maybe someday we can offer a connecting shuttle bus to Maine Eastern trains at Wiscasset. I can see it now - through ticketing Boston to Alna Center!

-John
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dylan Lambert on April 30, 2014, 12:54:39 AM
I would imagine getting some tracks down into Wiscassett might help with public exposure, but the FRA requirements and whatnot might make that a tad bit more difficult... Not insurmountable, but just a headache.
Dylan,
There are some very substantial difficulties about getting to Wiscasset. There is a place on 218, just north of Old Sheepscot Rd, where the ROW runs parallel to 218 between the highway and a stream. Over the years the road has been widened, and the stream has eroded the ROW. A G-gauge garden railway would fit there, but not anything wider. Further, there are two or three houses that are on the ROW, and I do mean ON.

I'm very much on hopes that a presence on 218, the Turner Centre car at Wiscasset, and publicity in printed and social media around the completion of 9 will get us substantial public exposure. Who knows, maybe someday we can offer a connecting shuttle bus to Maine Eastern trains at Wiscasset. I can see it now - through ticketing Boston to Alna Center!

-John
That would be a problem, wouldn't it? Well, unless someone wants to plan out a deviation-level project...
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on June 29, 2014, 12:35:12 AM
Some photos that are posted on Facebook:

Mike starting down the ramp:
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Mike turning the ceremonial first bucketful, for my camera:
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This was Mike's progress after 2+ hours of work:
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Expect to see railroad track getting laid here on Fall Work Weekend!!!
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Larsen on June 29, 2014, 12:58:51 AM
Mike:  How far did you get today?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on June 29, 2014, 01:53:41 AM
Loading up the excavator last weekend 6/21/14 for the trip to the end of track. The flat cars have their brake wheels at opposite ends so the excavator was loaded on flat 126 and then backed onto flat 118 in the yard.

Prepping the ramp on the North Yard lead.

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Mike heading up the ramp and onto car 126.

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Switching cars around for the transfer between cars

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The car switch

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Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on June 29, 2014, 02:42:59 AM
The flat cars have their brake wheels at opposite ends so the excavator was loaded on flat 126 and then backed onto flat 118 in the yard.

So that explains it! I had been wondering why it was loaded onto 126 and then moved north on 118, and now it all makes sense.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on June 29, 2014, 03:32:12 AM
I note that Prebles is in a new location. When was that moved?
Dave
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on June 29, 2014, 11:12:34 AM
During the Spring Work Weekend.  It was easy to skid on the mud!
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 30, 2014, 12:14:39 AM
Eric,

110 Fred Feet. And another joint bar after you were up there.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on July 14, 2014, 03:19:15 AM
Pictures from Sunday 7/13/14.

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Looking south up the mainline grade.

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Looking south from the end of the siding.

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Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 14, 2014, 11:38:56 PM
Thanks for the pictures Brendan. I encountered a very soft spot that had me stuck for a few minutes, About 1 foot of very wet top soil. I am hoping the ditch cures the problem, along with removing the topsoil. If not, we may need a culvert about where I stopped widening Saturday.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on July 15, 2014, 11:03:58 AM
If we can dig out the wet spot we could put Two or Three rows of the 4 inch drainage tiles in that area. That would dry it out if there is a small spring involved. We could use them up before people smash any more.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 20, 2014, 01:22:35 AM
Once again I forgot to take pictures, but I managed another 100 Fred feet of Main Line and siding cleared off of topsoil and stumps, with the west ditch cleaned. There was plenty of water there from the recent rain, Stewart says was about 2 inches. And due to the soft ground, I was unable to smooth things up with the blade on the excavator.

 But on the archeology side, department of trinkets and treasures, I feel it was an interesting day. I found what must have been a guide for a throw rod for the switch. Also, I found a brake hanging bracket that would bolt onto the frame of a freight truck. Also, I found several 30 pound joint bars, all broken. That is correct. 30 pound rail. There was a question today of rail size. So comparing what I found to a dimensional chart Dana had, 3 1/8 tall rail is 30 pound. These are the joint bars we have been finding all along, accept the 56 pound one I found a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 20, 2014, 09:03:42 PM
Here's a picture taken from the 2:30 train:
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Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on July 20, 2014, 09:31:27 PM
Beginning to look more like a "mucking out" job than earth-moving.  I'd guess that more than 1 culvert is going to be needed here.  How bad is it Mike?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 20, 2014, 10:05:49 PM
Believe it or not, there is a bottom to the muck. I think they had a French drain there at one time, which plugged up with the mucky topsoil. The ditch to the right on James' photo should take care of it.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 24, 2014, 02:05:08 AM
Trinkets and treasures department saw the addition of these 3 56-60 lb joint bars last weekend. Dug out of the ditch where the camp road crossed last weekend.

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Also spotted some new rail in Sheepscot

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Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 01, 2014, 08:39:14 PM
Now that's one of the prettiest frogs I've seen in a while..............   
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on September 01, 2014, 09:26:10 PM
Ribbit!
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on September 01, 2014, 09:33:43 PM
With all the clay and mud at the Top of the mountain, I guess the frog will croak or say knee-deep, knee-deep, knee-deep!!!
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 01, 2014, 10:58:48 PM
Careful Guys!  Don't want to get flagged and sent to the "whimsical" camp again for re-education  ;)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on September 01, 2014, 11:32:25 PM
It's a nice camp. I always go back there!
Looks like alot of great things going on up there. Hope I can make it up there sometime this fall.

John
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 08, 2015, 12:36:24 AM
A couple of photos from today.

First, the work train at Top of Mountain after the run-around.
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Next, Mike makes good use of the crane to put big pieces into place:
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Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 08, 2015, 12:52:33 AM
The dozer took a trip to the North end today. I managed to get what I wanted done, though I had to hustle to do it. I would have rather the excavator too for the ditches, but managed to open them up with the dozer.


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Loaded and ready to head north.


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Running around and getting ready to build the ramp.


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There was a skidder road across the ROW here that I had to push back up the bank. Then put the ditch back. Washout is just beyond the white vertical board in the distance. The while board is on the center for that curve.


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Looking South toward Top of the Mountain.


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Ditches are a little soupy


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Both shots looking North



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Dozer parked and ready to head south with the diesel. It was getting dark fast, and at 4:30 when I made it back, all outside lights were on.



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A little muddy
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 08, 2015, 02:30:16 AM
Mike, you done some  damn good dirt pushing!
TOM-north ROW work has officially started. :D
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on November 08, 2015, 04:13:08 AM
That's an impressive amount of grading done in a very short time! How far is it to the first washout?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 08, 2015, 01:12:24 PM
650 feet from the current end of track to the leading edge of the washout.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 08, 2015, 03:07:11 PM
Wow, 650 feet of north bound track sounds like a good Fall Work Weekend project for our esteemed track crew team.

Brakie Bill
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 10, 2015, 07:09:29 PM
How about an excellent SPRING Trackwork Weekend coming up?
Mike does some impressive eyeball grading and ditching.
Just as long as Case-y Jones doesn't get stuck!  ;)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on November 10, 2015, 07:41:52 PM
Mike, will the stumps in or near the drainage ditches get pulled out?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 11, 2015, 01:36:46 AM
Yes Dave. Kubota will handle what I did not get with the dozer. Accept the larger ones. I almost had one on the west slope out, but was digging a hole in the grade so I quit. Trying to keep what we can as it was when the RR was in service.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on November 11, 2015, 01:53:02 AM
Spring work weekend will concentrate on getting the North Yard and the car barn tracks into good shape.  And maybe extending the Woods Track!
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 02, 2016, 11:30:22 PM
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Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on January 06, 2016, 10:31:11 PM
 James or Mike, Will the new siding at the top of TOM be on the west side of the mail line?  Look forward to pictures of woods crew clearing more area.  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on January 11, 2016, 02:47:46 PM
Yes, plans are to build a new siding to serve the future "mills at TOM on the west side, of the main line.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 11, 2016, 11:16:06 PM
Sorry I missed your question Fred. See James' photo from this weekend for the location.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred L. Kuhns on January 23, 2016, 10:36:32 PM
 Mike, In last few weeks of January the woods crew has been clearing a area for the new mills spur and field for special events at TOM.  Will they possibly try to remove some of the small trees along the 650 feet of graded R. O. W. this winter?  Fred L. Kuhns
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 23, 2016, 11:42:09 PM
Fred,
The plan is to focus on the clearing for the field and mill site. The ROW was cut probably 7 or 8 years ago.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on March 06, 2016, 12:34:47 AM
Clearing progress at Top of the Mountain. Fred and Steve Z. measured and came up with a little over half an acre cleared so far.

Pictures taken from the south switch. First picture looks west from the tracks down the property line. Second picture is looking north towards the old camp road to Porcupine Palace.

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Looking north from the south end of the clearing. The diesel is sitting on the first crossover switch. The crane is parked at the present end of the main line.

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Looking east from the western edge of the clearing.

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Picture from the east side of the tracks about the mid point of the siding.

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Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on March 06, 2016, 02:43:52 AM
Wow that's impressive. Great work, everyone!

Is the big tree in the middle (looks like a red maple) being retained as a shade tree?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 06, 2016, 03:04:12 AM
 Put Fred's chair beside it and it won't get cut down.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Fortier on March 06, 2016, 04:50:41 AM
A panorama shot.

(http://home.earthlink.net/~wfortier/WW&F/20160305%20Tree%20Clearing%20Panorama%20-%20small.jpg)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on March 06, 2016, 12:26:58 PM
When its done, this will make a nice large level field for the siding, shingle mill, and saw mill and anything else we plan on in the future. It probably was a field years ago.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 06, 2016, 01:01:39 PM
Hi Philip,

The lone tree is a poplar, we didn't cut it when we cleared that section due to wind from the west.  We plan to cut it next weekend.  It is a pretty tree, too bad it's not a maple but there isn't much maple on the lot.

Stewart
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on March 06, 2016, 05:00:43 PM
Thanks, Stewart!
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on March 06, 2016, 07:09:56 PM
It probably was a field years ago.

Yes -- poplar and balsam fir plus a few white pine sounds like an old field, or at least an old clear cut. The number of rings on the pine stumps will tell you how long ago it was, because the pines will always be the oldest component of a mixed stand like that.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 06, 2016, 07:33:48 PM
Lots of older rotted stumps from trees harvested probably 30 years ago. Older aerial photos show the cutting that was done back around the 50's
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on March 06, 2016, 10:11:24 PM
Older aerial photos show the cutting that was done back around the 50's

That sounds about right, judging from the DBH of the pines.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on March 07, 2016, 04:51:53 PM
Adding to the notes about the field at TOM, we found a 10' piece of line fence when clearing trees a couple months ago.  The line fence was right where it had been along the edge of the railroad owned land about 50' north of the old road.  (This is near the south switch)  The line fence was a wire on post type fence and the wire had hand made barbs which probably dates to the 1920's or earlier.  We saved the piece and may have it on display once the saw mill building is built.   We consider this further proof that the land at TOM was open pasture back in the early part of the 20th century.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard Cavalloro on March 07, 2016, 06:04:42 PM
Has anyone run a metal detector around there?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 13, 2016, 11:37:06 PM
Today, Jason and I had a meeting with the Army Corps of Engineers. We took him down the mountain to the brook, discussing what we would like to do, need to do, and what we would have to do.
The whole reason for the invite for the sitewalk, was to answer our question, of do they need to give us a permit. The short answer is yes.

The longer answer is complex. But to keep it simple, anything that disturbs the soil, bank to bank in a stream needs a permit through them. Part of the clean water act.
What I had decided before we met, is we should permit in sections. Only get permits for what we can reasonably do before the permit expires. The first section will involve the Fossel Washout, and a small cross pipe just north of the Fossel property line, and will stop before the slide.

Next section would consist of the slide. No Army Corps involvement there, but I suspect a DEP permit may be needed. Third section would include the next two washouts, and perhaps make it to the approach to the bridge. This third section may be split, depending on the type of work we decide to do at one of the washouts.

The two washouts will need to have plans for the approval from Army Corps. We can't just drop in a pipe, throw in some gravel and continue. Nothing we can't handle, but needs to be planned out and the plan followed.

The first washout north of the slide will be a substatially larger project than I thought, and there will be much discussion before we actually decide what to do there.

Next, I need to schedule a walk with DEP...




Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Benjamin Campbell on October 14, 2016, 12:23:12 AM
Exciting to be talking about it despite the regulatory headaches we will encounter. Would there be any advantage to head south from 218 as well – have two rail heads working toward each other? Getting the bridge in sooner than latter could be advantageous in working on the uphill stretch? Having a presence on 218 sooner than later could be advantageous marketing wise? We seem to have plenty of rail and it has been my impression at the few work weekend that I have been able to attend that there are more than enough eager track workers to have labor on two rail heads – particularly given that there will be no switches.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 14, 2016, 01:41:48 AM
Not really. If we start at 218, we have an instant major expense, a bridge. And with no connection to the rest of the railroad, any rail equipment used would need to be hauled up to the northern location.
But, we are still in the planning stages, and anything is possible.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Glenn Christensen on October 15, 2016, 09:44:33 PM
Hi Mike,

Thanks to you and Jason, for your transparency and for continuing to be so proactive as regards museum growth and expansion.


Sincerely,
Glenn
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 15, 2016, 10:47:41 PM
[Moderator's Note]
I moved a portion of this discussion to the members-only section.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 14, 2017, 01:10:45 AM
I am pleased to announce our permit through Army Corps of Engineers has been approved. This permit will cover the dirtwork needed to get us up to within sight of the slide.

The official paperwork is enroute to President Zuppa and he should see it this weekend.

Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on March 14, 2017, 02:04:22 AM
Nice work Mike! Your time and efforts are greatly appreciated. Now that you've gone through the learning curve the next one should be a bit easier.
Dave
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on March 14, 2017, 05:11:31 AM
That's great news, Mike! Thank you for working through the bureaucracy for us to make sure it's done the right way.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on March 14, 2017, 06:49:11 PM
That's terrific, Mike!  Thanks!
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on March 14, 2017, 10:30:31 PM
Great job, Mike. Dealing with any Government can be quite frustrating as I did it for over 20 years.
Ira
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 15, 2017, 12:15:52 AM
Good work, Mike. It takes someone with a lot of patience and perseverance to deal with government agencies. Thanks for taking this on. Without, progress would grind to a halt.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on March 15, 2017, 04:36:44 AM
Great news. Thanks, Mike.
I see two busy WW&F years ahead.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Glenn Christensen on March 15, 2017, 01:04:32 PM
This old Government Contractor is impressed with the proactivity you folks display in your dealings with the various regulatory agencies. 

Your attitude is both responsible and mature.

There can be great benefits to all parties when everyone is on the same page and surprises can be kept to a minimum.


Cheers Guys,
Glenn
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on March 15, 2017, 02:25:48 PM
I see two busy WW&F years ahead.

Every year is always busy - with something.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on March 15, 2017, 02:34:10 PM
Congratulations Mike. Job well done.

We should also note that much of the capital necessary for this phase of the project was raised by a challenge grant sponsored by the Emery Rail Heritage Trust (http://emeryrailheritagetrust.com/ (http://emeryrailheritagetrust.com/)). This foundation was created by John H. Emery, who was an avid enthusiast who loved rail travel - especially those sites whose mission was to recreate the passenger experience from about 1920 to 1960. The WW&F served a vital link in the first decade of this era, allowing residents of the rural Sheepscot Valley to connect to the Maine Central, whose trains could whisk them off to Portland, Boston, or even New York City.

The trust also values our commitment to involve youth in our projects. The fact that we have four volunteers under the age of 18 who qualify for a 2016 Governor's Youth Volunteer Award (each with over 100 hours of service given during the year) is very impressive. Coupled with our successful college internship over the last two years (and her continued involvement as a volunteer) greatly exemplifies the virtues important to Mr. Emery of passing our love for railroading on to the next generation.

I understand that the orders for the materials needed to begin work have been placed. Thanks to the Emery Rail Heritage Trust, and the members who gave to the Fall Fundraiser, for making this a reality.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on March 15, 2017, 04:04:00 PM
I'll expand on Ed's comment by stating that this year's Annual Fund Drive financed the match for the Emery grant.  The first $5000 that came in was set aside as the match.  I never got that list to John to publish in the newsletter, but it did go to the Trust.  This is the first time we've done this with the fund drive, use it to match a grant.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on April 04, 2017, 06:51:34 PM
Just getting caught up on this thread. Let me echo the thanks to Mike for getting through the governmental red tape. Question to James, do you see using the Annual Fund Drive to match future grants?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on April 04, 2017, 07:35:45 PM
I'll take that question...
We already leverage the success of the fund drive in all of our grant applications. Usually there is a question that boils down to "how are you going to raise the remaining funds to complete the project?" Our answer is almost always "through our highly successful Fall Fundraiser." So, in a sense, there has always been a "match" through the Fall Fundraiser for most of our grants.

That said, the ERHT grant was unique in that their funds could not be released until the match was raised, and that the funds to be matched had to come as part of a new effort. (In other words, we could not leverage funds already raised for the project, nor use their grant to pay off loans related to the project - such as the rail purchase.) The trustees of ERHT agreed that doing the match through our Fall Fundraiser met their requirements, and we thank them for their flexibility and generosity.

That said, I have some exciting news to share in regards to another grant proposal for a different WW&F project. Stay tuned...
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 07, 2017, 12:00:07 PM
Got word from the pipe company this week that our pipes are ready for delivery. I will set a date in a couple of weeks when I know the arrival will timed correctly as to not interfere with 3 leaving
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 13, 2017, 08:47:54 PM
Friday, Jason and I met with the DEP. The rep for our area and a fairly new rep for DEP. She was in training, or at least he was showing her what to look for.

We started at the Fossel washout. They determined that was a stream, so a Permit by Rule applied. This is their lowest permit, and easiest to get.

We continued to the next two locations I had identified for this years work. Nothing to be concerned with at either location, except that we have to keep track of the square footage of the wetland area we disturb at both locations. Minimal. We are allowed 4300 sq ft. Above that, we will need to apply for through a bigger permit.
Next we walked to the slide. I am amazed that neither the Army Corps or the DEP are concerned about that. No permit required. We just need to be mindfull of runoff, and control erosion.
We proceded North. Yet another spot I identified as wanting a small cross culvert. Same as before. Keep track of the square footage of wetland.

Next, we arrived at a pinch point, as Jason calls it. This is a location of a slide that happened after the railroad shut down, but before it was logged in the 50's 60's. The roadbed slid into the brook. We want to do minimal work here but due to the location, we need to have a larger permit. It will be scrutinized more by the DEP, and we will have a lot more prep in the permit apllication itself.

Once past this pinch point, we were back to permit by rule culvert installation.

We were in for another surprise as we worked our way to the bridge. The ditch on the East side is classified as a stream. We are within 25 feet of that "stream" for approximately 500 feet. This also meets the criteria for the larger permit.

We then arrived at the bridge site. A brief review of what Army Corps had said and then we listened to Lucien, the DEP rep. "Permit by Rule" he said, for the bridge crossing. Jason almost sighed audibly. What a relief.

So after our arrival back at the house (DEP headed back to their office) Jason and I started brain storming. And we are still talking about ideas. Jason has locked onto an idea he wants to check into more that may be the best, simplest, and most cost effective way of ensuring we reach 218.

I am glad we had this walk and talk. It was very informative, and we learned a lot. Now to get things going for our first permit needed for this year.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on May 13, 2017, 11:42:06 PM
Many thanks, Mike, for your perseverance and hard work on this.  And thank you, too, Jason, for all your work as well.

This is a big deal.  Through Mike's initiative, we now have a clear, manageable regulatory path to follow to allow expansion of the railroad down the mountain.  Most organizations would have had to hire professional services to navigate the state and federal regulatory maze, at considerable cost.  We're very fortunate Mike and Jason chose to take this on.

This is a critical step for our museum's continued growth.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 14, 2017, 12:30:31 AM
We will be lookng for additional help when the time comes with the larger permit to help with the application process.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on May 14, 2017, 02:57:19 AM
Great news and glad we have chosen to do it by the book and get the proper parties involved. Looking forward to the fruit it bears.
People have told me I'm pretty good at paperwork, proofreading and writing, so I'd be happy to help in any way I can.
Steve
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on May 14, 2017, 01:05:25 PM
If I can be a help on the paperwork, please count me in as well.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on May 14, 2017, 01:50:23 PM
It sounds like it was a very productive meeting with the DEP.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on May 14, 2017, 02:41:19 PM
Great results on what could have been a long and arduous path.
I am very encouraged by what has been accomplished to date and my thanks for all the work.
Onward to 218.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on May 14, 2017, 03:00:37 PM
Nice job guys!  I think the biggest break we got was the "by rule" decision on the bridge.  That could have been a real pain in the .......!  Also, the slide we got off easy.  Still say a bulkhead with sheet piling and deadmen will be the best and easiest way to go.  We have a lot of contractors in the area that can do marine bulkheads - really not any different except no ocean.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 16, 2017, 01:26:42 AM
I was asked, so here is the map of Section 1. This will be the only section I show for now, because we are focusing on this area this year, and we have a set plan. I need to go for a walk again Saturday and get pictures of every location we have identified in need of repair.

Location 1. Fossel Washout. 48" Steel Culvert, 45 feet long. About 150 yards of fill.

Location 2. 18 inch culvert. Fill in washed out section of ROW. About 20 yards.

Location 3. 12 Inch cross culvert. About 100 feet south of the slide. Will need to RipRap the outlet down the steep bank to prevent erosion in the future.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Mountain%20Section%201_zpsaoz0maxr.jpg)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on May 16, 2017, 02:19:20 PM
Mike,

Any estimated timeframe as to when each location will be worked on?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 16, 2017, 04:01:57 PM
This year. We can't start until mid July. All pipe work and ditching needs to be done by Oct. 1.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on May 16, 2017, 05:00:51 PM
I have dreamed a plan.

Using all tip cars, run to end of track and dump in place.
Bulldoze the piles into the washout.
Return train to loading point. Use the Kabota Dragon to fill.
Load tip cars and repeat until filled.

This assumes the fill material is closer than Alna.

OK, it's only a dream.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on May 16, 2017, 08:37:35 PM
Oct 1st? - Aargh....  That kind of knocks out getting a bunch done on FWW where we would have more people with heavy equipment experience to help out.  I sometimes worry that we have too much to do with too few hands available.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 16, 2017, 08:56:42 PM
Well John, all Permittable work has to be done by Oct. 1. No permit needed to add fill above the culvert, as long as nothing falls into or disturbs the permitted area.

We will see what happens though. We may be ambitious enough this summer and have it ready for track FWW.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on May 16, 2017, 11:34:44 PM
Yes, GO for track work on FWW.  That should be the summer objective (IMHO).
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on May 17, 2017, 01:38:22 AM
The work window of July to Oct 1 is set by regulation, not us.

While I've been involved on the periphery of the planning process to reconstruct the railroad down the mountain; Mike has been at the center of it for several years.  The amount of foresight and planning required of him to integrate multiple permitting agencies, railroad operational needs, equipment needs, material supply needs, etc, has been staggering.  To say he's been doing an admiral job would be a ridiculous understatement. 

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on May 17, 2017, 01:51:59 AM
Not knowing the manpower needs for the preparation aspects of this undertaking, I wonder if it would work to schedule a couple of "informal" summer work weekends focusing exclusively on this project. I can't imagine that 40 or 50 people would be needed, but it would be nice to count on 15 or 20 folks(?).
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on May 17, 2017, 02:58:53 AM
Wayne,
That  is a great idea. Clever of you to have thought of it.
Bill
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 17, 2017, 10:38:49 AM
Organizing a work weekend like that would be great, but puts added pressure onto getting it done. I would hate to have even a dozen people show up on a scheduled day and not be ready.

I would like to thank Jason for his kind words. I have been thinking about this for years, and now Jason is stepping up his involvement, and helping organize my notes with his, thus enabling a better picture for future plans.

We haven't got this years project started yet and I am already thinking of what to permit for next year..
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on May 17, 2017, 11:29:15 AM
I certainly did not intend to add any pressure on Mike or anyone else by my suggestion above. As I said, I don't know the manpower requirements for this particular project. It may be that one or two people is all that's necessary since machines will do a great deal of the work. But if a larger cohort is needed for some part of it, an e-mail or Facebook blast might be the best way to bring in the necessary volunteers.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on May 17, 2017, 11:53:07 AM
I believe there may be a time for that- but probably not this time.  Mike has broken the entire stretch of mainline down the mountain into a series of segments or sections.  This year is the first section, and the work required during the mandated work window is all machine work.  Some work stages of some sections will require a major hand work effort, but at the moment it looks like those efforts don't need to be held to the mandated work window.  As such, Mike has been aiming those for the existing work weekends.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 17, 2017, 03:08:20 PM
Wayne, it is possible to do, and we will know better by mid August. The big pipe job will consume quite a number of days. There will be a couple of days where an extra hand or several will be needed. Setting the pipe and prepping it for backfill.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on May 17, 2017, 11:24:13 PM
Mike, I think if you put out a call a couple of days before you need them, you can muster some additional help.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on May 20, 2017, 08:37:08 PM
Mike...Myself, maybe others, would be interested in knowing the timeline and specific areas, steps, of further work needed on the extending mainline.  It should help potential track, washout, trestle and slide workers to be available when the time for each project arrives.
I worked for construction companies, estimated for subs. The details, scheduling, coordination are guaranteed difficult.
If we knew more details here, I'm certain your job as overall work superintendent would have fewer wrinkles.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 21, 2017, 12:33:47 AM
Details for anything other than the planned work for this year have yet to be worked out. We have 3 big projects up there where funds will determine how much and how fast we get it done. One I can speak of is the slide. But even the planned details of that are not in stone. I was offered the use of a piece of equipment today that will help that project and several others along, but am unsure if it would be practical to use. I have got to do some thinking on it, and discuss with the board what to do.

The other two projects we are still working on details on, and won't discuss them here yet. I met today with a contractor for both projects, and that is when I was offered the equipment.

And I try to plan work for when we will have bodies around, like work weekends, because I like seeing everyone busy, and everyone that comes likes to help.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on May 21, 2017, 04:03:24 AM
Gotcha. Good luck.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on May 21, 2017, 08:06:40 PM
Maybe a detailed article is due sometime, showing the work that lies ahead so all of the members can get a good understanding and full appreciation on what we need to do, etc.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard Cavalloro on May 21, 2017, 09:37:23 PM
I have 4 days off between shifts, if I had some notice I could be there weekdays to help out
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on May 21, 2017, 09:57:52 PM
Paul, et. al.
I have worked with Mike and he is a good planner and working foreman. Have no doubts on his abilities, he is capable.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 26, 2017, 12:51:04 AM
I have been spending my free time the last 2 weeks getting the DEP permit ready, and expect to mail it out Tuesday. That is probably about the same time I can start to see straight again..
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on May 26, 2017, 04:38:55 AM
Ira...I have absolutely every confidence Mike is competent. His many work successes  show it.

The concern here is there are so many challenges and variables to continuing track building north:
<thinking out the project's carefully staged  planning done by Mike 
<plowing through all the bureaucratic paperwork also done by Mike
<obeying physical/time limits imposed  by the government at washout sites
<marshaling available volunteer manpower when needed
<getting enough materials
<timely organizing and rail-moving all the heavy, dirty pieces/parts needed
<prioritizing, postponing other projects
<Mike's personal involvement in building some of the rail equipment needed, etc.
In my experience with projects of varying complexity, this one, while not large scale,  is just as challenging  due to its remoteness, limited, part-time labor, working around and manning scheduled passenger runs.

My point, also others, is to  publicize desired work at designated times for workers to plan involvement  per their lives and obligations, realizing disruptive challenges will probably pop up,  progress  depending on
luck, good weather, no catastropes.
 OPERATION WASHOUTS   WILL SUCCEED!
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on May 26, 2017, 10:12:42 AM
The fortunate thing for us, is both volunteers and members are anxious to go down the mountain, so I personally think that we will have no issues coordinating desired help. Track building materials will most likely be moved North sometime this year to aid in laying track once the first hole is filled.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 26, 2017, 10:55:50 AM
One thing I love about the museum. If you look back through the history of it, any challenge that it faced was tackled. Time and money are the two biggest drivers.

If you look at the mountain project as several smaller challenges, they suddenly seem achievable, one by one. Yes, I have done a lot of leg work, and Jason has started leg work on another portion of the project, to get things ready for us to work.

We will keep inching North. Two feet at a tme. ????
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on May 26, 2017, 11:38:02 AM
Hopefully more like one rail at a time.  ;D
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on May 26, 2017, 02:08:00 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with Joe's comment above concerning the interest and desire of the membership to press on northward despite the apparent obstacles. One thing that I've learned during the 15 years or so of involvement is that the Board and the nearby members do a lot of forward planning and preparation work. They make sure that materials are stockpiled in advance so that little time is wasted running back and forth, and they set reasonable goals. Then when the larger volunteer contingents arrive, they can get right to work rather than spending precious time locating, collecting and moving materials to the front line.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on May 26, 2017, 06:40:40 PM
A good summation of the work ethic of the WW&F.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on May 27, 2017, 02:26:38 AM
A friend of mine visited for his first time during the spring work weekend. And I quote, "wow, this place is incredible." He was absolutely amazed with our volunteer force, how hard everyone works, and the most incredible part, no one is really barking orders. And when faced with a mechanical glitch guys stepped up and hand tamped. Not because they wanted to, but because they wanted it to get done. That is the spirit of the WW&F. I told him if he thought tamping and spreading stone is impressive, you should see us lay rail. Dana has it all worked out like a Swiss watch.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on May 29, 2017, 11:49:00 PM
Let's hope Stephen Hussar re-posts his picture of eagle-eye Dana preparing the track for Class 8 use.
-John M
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on May 30, 2017, 12:11:03 AM
Let's hope Stephen Hussar re-posts his picture of eagle-eye Dana preparing the track for Class 8 use.
-John M

Yes, that was a classic shot.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 30, 2017, 01:51:51 AM
DEP permit departs ROWMOW Mfg. Tuesday enroute to Augusta. A copy has been made and will be in the house.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on May 30, 2017, 10:25:01 AM
I think he was gesturing, "we're number one!" ;-)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4224/34761801262_4275abe010_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on May 30, 2017, 02:13:48 PM
DEP permit departs ROWMOW Mfg. Tuesday enroute to Augusta. A copy has been made and will be in the house.

So, I take it that phase 1 of fixing the washouts is a go?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on May 30, 2017, 02:40:05 PM
As the saying goes;  No job is complete until the paperwork is done  ;)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on May 30, 2017, 03:18:23 PM
"Someone help me up, I gotta go." is the photo caption.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on May 30, 2017, 03:27:39 PM
A couple of questions regarding "down the mountain to Trout Brook".  Is there enough rail on hand to make it to Trout Brook?  Secondly, regarding the missing bridge, are there any photos of that span when the railroad was still active?  Also, is the plan to bring in a used bridge, fabricate one, or what when the time comes to span that waterway?  Or.....are my questions too far down the road past the current planning?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on May 30, 2017, 04:05:36 PM
Last year we bought 1.5 track miles of rail, so there's more than enough to get down the hill.  Regarding the missing bridge, we can't talk about that at this time.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on May 30, 2017, 10:50:19 PM
There are photos of the original bridge in several books. Both the collapsed version, and standing version.

From our current end of track to Trout Brook is about a half mile.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on May 31, 2017, 01:35:06 AM
From my Saturday measurements. End of track (not in service, actual end of completed rail) 2564. Trout Brook, 5344(ish, didn't want to get my feet wet), center of span.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 04, 2017, 07:52:16 PM
Anticipated work at the washout for the next month.

6/17. Clean up, unless I have a guest at the RR. Move 4 lengths of rail and ties north (between trains?) to lay a temporary track to set the pipes in.

6/24. More prep. Build track.

7/1 2-18"x20' and 2-12"x20' culverts and 6 bales of hay will be needed to move to EOT for staging. All these will be used during the installation of the big pipe.

7/8. Final prep if any.

7/15 Move excavator North and start work.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 04, 2017, 10:26:40 PM
Two more weeks...and so it begins!
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Benjamin Campbell on June 05, 2017, 11:42:01 AM
Mike - are there some good size rocks in the bottom of the washout which will need to be moved in order to lay the pipe? It's been several years since I've been down in there but that was my memory.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 05, 2017, 12:51:07 PM
Not too big that I have seen. I am hoping for no surprizes, but won't really know until I start moving material out of the bottom.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 11, 2017, 02:02:52 AM
I wanted to wait until after I told the board to say this. The DEP Permit has been approved as submitted for the first section.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on June 11, 2017, 02:22:13 AM
Congratulations Mike! You're a guy who can excavate government paperwork as well as dirt, gravel, etc.
-John M
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on June 11, 2017, 01:34:11 PM
Great, get er down the mountain!
Mike Nix
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 17, 2017, 06:29:56 PM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0617171416_Burst01_zpsvwjkaw28.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0617171417_zpsmhxkzeu1.jpg)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 20, 2017, 10:22:09 PM
Please explain this last pic.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on June 20, 2017, 10:55:33 PM
I believe it is the first rail to be laid on 10/4 of the FWW.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on June 20, 2017, 11:33:14 PM
Negative. It is a joke from Emperor of the North. "A No. 1 to Portland, on the 19. His name is on the tower, I scene it." A #1 jokes have been appearing in many places at the museum over the years.

This material is needed on hand before the work weekend so Dad can unload the excavator and begin work.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Chuck Watford on June 21, 2017, 04:11:53 AM
(http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/500/1973emperorofthenorthpole7.jpg)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on June 21, 2017, 05:08:43 AM
Just curious- Was anyone else bothered by the use of a logging mikado to represent a mainline engine in this movie, or is that just me? and the soundtrack is pretty awful- should be more like "Oh Brother"...

On a serious note, nice work Mike!!!
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on June 21, 2017, 09:33:26 PM
I like my definition better.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on June 22, 2017, 12:32:17 AM
Stephen, that didnt bother me nearly as much as the firebox door being left open the entire time. There were a few hollywood dramatized moments but its one of my favorite railroad films.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on June 22, 2017, 04:30:53 PM
No 19 is now at Jerry Jacobson's Age of Steam Roundhouse in Ohio

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4278/35428167106_c0098ec4d5_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 02, 2017, 12:54:00 AM
Some shots of the culvert relocation project today.
Fred insisted we get them out of the parking lot, and said if we were going to move them, lets move them to TOM. So they are there. 4 trips because we only have one flatcar. The other one is still being repaired.
Fred was concerned with the possibility of the culverts walking off, being so handy to the road in the parking lot. Not any more. He said he plans to dismantle the rack they were on this week.

 (http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0701171202_zpsztpibtqb.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0701171306_zpsyiiofxee.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0701171527_zps9maa8fxo.jpg)

And nothing beats a happy Fred.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0701171528_zpsnjh1lm12.jpg)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 02, 2017, 01:29:03 PM
Those are some large culverts. Nice to seem them at TOM.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 03, 2017, 05:03:27 AM
Nice work, guys. Those sections look clumsy to handle.
Will the Fossel washout rebuild get a single run of pipe...or two side by side, since there are short linkup? sections shown?

Hey, a snoopervisor's life ain't  easy!  ;D
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 03, 2017, 04:43:44 PM
The two sections that are in the right of my second to last photo will be installed end to end, with the clamping band tying them together, for an overall length of 45 feet. The sections are 22 1/2 feet long. I could have ordered the full lenth of 45 feet in one section, but handling was a concern. The other two pieces of pipe are for a washout further north. We were able to save on shipping by purchasing all pipes needed from this supplier at the same time.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 03, 2017, 05:56:11 PM
Thanks, wasn't sure of the plan. Makes total sense, construction/economy-wise.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 09, 2017, 11:32:13 PM
Did a little clearing today. Top picture is a panoramic shot, looking from the East side.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0709171418_Pano_zpskjttgbqr.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0709171417_zpsghz1odhk.jpg)

Looking South

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0709171416b_zpsrqzaaqeq.jpg)

Looking South

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0709171416a_zpsvzghwyxu.jpg)

Looking South

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0709171415_zpsajinz7ki.jpg)

Looking North

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0709171344_zpsxqntk6xs.jpg)

Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on July 10, 2017, 01:02:09 AM
Great pix, Mike! Next time you are there, can you bring along an assistant to stand in mid-trench so that the depth is more obvious? A stand-in, as it were. ;D
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 10, 2017, 01:23:51 AM
My turn:  HWMNBN nominates Kielbasa Dave for the task!   ::)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on July 10, 2017, 04:12:14 AM
I know those holes are much bigger in reality than they appear in the pictures, so I agree a scale of some kind would be useful for those who haven't seen them in person.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on July 10, 2017, 04:26:34 AM
Unfortunately Mr. HWMNBN, only the president can make such designations. Careful, you might find yourself appointed to another blue ribbon committee.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 10, 2017, 08:29:47 AM
Scale? Well those grade stakes are atleast 3 feet tall...
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on July 10, 2017, 09:54:39 AM
Looks like a whole lot of clearing will be needed in the future as track gets down to that spot.  Time to call "Rent a Beaver"?   ;D
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on July 10, 2017, 10:33:33 AM
Nah, we just call in Fred. :)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 10, 2017, 10:33:56 PM
It is all cleared through there. We are leaving as many trees as possible from this point North. This will cut down on the amount of mowing, and help meet the criteria for operating near the brook.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ken Fleming on July 10, 2017, 11:54:09 PM
Save the trees for feed stock for our saw mill.  Log trains into mill and flats of lumber out.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 11, 2017, 12:25:41 AM
That topography is not quite as simple as I pictured. Should be a satisfying challenge.  ;)

And another thing...how about a hint--who is HWMNBN?
And why??  ;D ???
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 13, 2017, 03:12:09 AM
who is HWMNBN?
And why??  ;D ???

He Who Must Not Be Named.

I'm not sure why; you'd have to ask him.   ;D
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 13, 2017, 10:58:36 AM
Excavator will head North Saturday to start work.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 13, 2017, 11:11:34 AM
A certain member has had a fondness in the past to offer up my name as a volunteer when various work tasks are announced on the forum.  When that happens, I reply "please do not use my name," and change my avatar to HWMNBN.  It's a Harry Potter reference.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on July 13, 2017, 01:02:29 PM
You work plenty hard Bill even if you CANNOT BE NAMED!!
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 14, 2017, 04:05:22 AM
Thanks, guys. I'll sleep better tonight.  ;D
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Scott on July 15, 2017, 01:01:57 AM
I really appreciate seeing Mike's roadbed shots. Those vacant embankments are so enticing.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 15, 2017, 02:43:43 AM
So who's going to fire up RC4, pop on his Uber hat  and madly zoom workers between all the projects :P, while barely avoiding Saturday's passenger traffic?   :o
What a country!  ;D
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 15, 2017, 11:29:14 PM
North bound Kubota Express. Maiden voyage for 1015 as well. The car worked very nice.


(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0715170905_zpsfl8ixn3a.jpg)


Vacant no more. Here I am getting the excavator to the bottom of the washout.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0715171247_zpsse9tlr2m.jpg)

The rest of the trees out of the way and some of the top soil removed.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0715171329a_zpstqpqi8bz.jpg)

Looking back at the Kubota.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0715171343_zpsillofhx5.jpg)

Did I ever mention I love digging someplace that has been untouched in 125 years...looky what I see.
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0715171405_zpsswajmoff.jpg)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0715171405b_zpstlrvfc8q.jpg)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0715171411_zpsirqmpcws.jpg)
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0715171704b_zpsk5ztyful.jpg)

I believe they may be survey rods, due to where I found them. What say you?

Ready to leave it for the week. These pipes are just temporary.


(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0715171444_zpsbspzshlg.jpg)

Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 16, 2017, 01:24:29 AM
Mike...great work. Why the temp pipes?
Good to see 118 back at it.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on July 16, 2017, 02:06:40 AM
Are the pins possibly from a wood culvert?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 16, 2017, 02:16:13 AM
Pins could be from a wooden box culvert as Ira noted or they could be drift pins from a trestle that was filled in.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on July 16, 2017, 09:34:25 AM
I'm thinking the latter because the books say there was a cattle under pass near ToM.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on July 16, 2017, 11:39:48 AM
You may be right Joe.  It's a logical place for an underpass so cattle could have access to the river.  The cattle pass in Whitefield is in a similar fill.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 16, 2017, 12:50:14 PM
The temporary pipes are in case it rains enough for the stream to flow. Keeping the sediment out of the stream is a requirement, and these pipes tied into the remporary dam I built should help. Downside, I get to move them to work in there.

The pins were driven into the soil. No rotten wood found there. Just the short rusty pins. They were at the foot of the east embankment, or where it would have been.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 16, 2017, 02:03:13 PM
Thanks for the visual update, Mike. That's an interesting find you have there.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on July 16, 2017, 10:43:08 PM
Mike, glad that 1015 worked so well!  You put so much time and energy into it from start to finish, and it has already proven it's worth in one trip.

Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 17, 2017, 11:03:47 AM
Projected schedule for the next few weeks.

We need track built. Safety spiking would be ok for now. Rail, ties and jointbars are up there. Need bolts and spikes. Prefer to have this done by Aug. 5.

Saturday 7/22. I will be arriving mid morning. Machine work.

Saturday 7/29. Finish prep work. Check pitch with Brendans laser level. Mark center with a stake. Get things ready to tie down crane.

8/5. Set pipes. This will involve setting the crane up on the newly built track, tying the North end on the crane down for added security during the lift. A flatcar will be needed to shuttle the culvert sections.

8/12 is the Annual Picnic, so am not anticipating much work that day, other than maybe some machine work.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 22, 2017, 10:16:04 PM
What is this I see?

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0722171259_zps8dcrcfzn.jpg)

Hmmm. Starting to look like something

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0722171300_zpsbgqapfiy.jpg)

There it is. An old pipe.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0722171359_zpsavid8nbu.jpg)

But what is this next to it? A mud sill for a trestle bent?

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0722171359a_zps5wfbffju.jpg)

And on each side...

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0722171429_zpshaabnpzq.jpg)

And ready for another week.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0722171451_zpsrqgc98im.jpg)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on July 23, 2017, 02:55:25 AM
looks like Narrow Gauge in the Sheepscot valley was correct with the old trestle at ToM. Although they must have filled it in an put a culvert in once the trestle started to age.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 23, 2017, 03:06:26 AM
WOW!  Very interesting archaeology, Mike.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on July 23, 2017, 08:55:48 AM
I wonder if the pipe had a layer of gravel over it for the cattle crossing and also to keep the mud sills dry. The bents seem wide enough apart for the cattle to cross under the train track.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 23, 2017, 11:51:19 PM
That's a very neat find, Mike. Looking forward to seeing things personally this week.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 24, 2017, 04:33:42 AM
Ain't that the way renovations and improvements go?
Start out in the repair shop to put in a floor slab, look what happens...a needed structural rebuild, yet!  ???
The washout fill-in/culvert install LOOKS like a fairly simple job. BUT...besides government time and drainage rules, somebody went and built some surprise old stuff right in the way!  ::)
Sheesh!



Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Chuck Watford on July 24, 2017, 04:55:04 PM
Interesting find....will all that have to be removed before the new culvert is installed or can it be left in place?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 24, 2017, 05:52:53 PM
Short answer, yes and no. I am removing the pipe, as it is partly where the new pipe will go, and removing all wood that I have exposed, as well as any under the pipe.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on July 24, 2017, 10:50:10 PM
Will you save some of the pipe for "the museum".  That's the kind of archaeology that has lasting value.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 25, 2017, 01:27:52 AM
The whole pipe if I can get it out in one piece. I am not sure how the timber will come out, piece by piece I guess. That pipe is rather interesting. Sections riveted together, each section being 10 0r 12 feet.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 29, 2017, 10:28:56 PM
The new end of track, with crane:

The excavation, with Mike for perspective:


Sorry, neither photos possible to share.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 30, 2017, 02:01:46 AM
James seems to be having some trouble with his photo host. Anyhow, the pipe came out today. I took this panoramic photo after I got the pipe to budge. Instead of going side to side, I went up to down. There is the perspective for you.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0729171320_Pano_zps1fbqe8fu.jpg)

Then, this happened.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0729171331_zps3i1nmzdd.jpg)

At the end of the day. It is not ready for pipe yet. I found that the timbers were actually a crib for the pipe to sit on for support. On blue clay. I have a plan to get some ballast in there to make some bony gravel for a base for the pipe. We might be ready to set one pipe Saturday afternoon.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0729171510_zpsea5brl6r.jpg)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on July 30, 2017, 05:28:06 AM
Great to see and read of substantial progress on the current  'biggie' projects...washout fix, shop mods, north yard switch finishes, including the superb flanging work on 10's new boiler's pieces/parts.   
After the current culvert pipe is set and backfilled, how far north will   trackwork proceed presently...to the next washout?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on July 30, 2017, 10:25:36 AM
Once culverts and grading is performed, and otjer to be determined factors track can be laid about 700' further north, which is about a day and a half of work on a work weekend.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on July 30, 2017, 11:45:35 AM
I thought we could only go about 3 to 4 hundred ft. I guess I've got to get to work cutting a lot more ties. Bill ready and Steve Z. and I cut ends from another bundle Sat. 168 ties cut so far.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on July 30, 2017, 12:36:23 PM
Length will be determined by other pending subjects that others have been mentioned privately. However we have other uses for the newly cut ties, regardless on track laying length. ;)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 31, 2017, 11:54:12 PM
A few photos Saturday showing the work Mike and helpers completed at the first washout north of Top of the Mountain.

First, a view mid-afternoon of the track put down and safety spiked by Mike, Bryce, Dan and Bill Baskerville (and others?) so Ichabod could be brought to the edge of the washout.  The Brookville rests at the edge of the peviously-built track:

(http://i.imgur.com/oMDpyJ3.jpg)

A late morning view of the crane at the edge of the washout, with the Kubota down below ready for use that afternoon:

(http://i.imgur.com/7H4MXZm.jpg)

Mike busy at work on the Kubota a bit before 2 p.m. moving the old steel pipe out of the way for the new pipe.  Bryce Weeks stands nearby to adjust the chains as needed.
 
(http://i.imgur.com/6yyigHb.jpg)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 01, 2017, 02:09:29 AM
Superb pics! Exactly what tells the story.
Thought there'd be more workers, but it appears not that many are needed. Yet.
So...needed demolition is done,  pipe set and fillin next,  mainline then extends farther north.
It's impressive that the correct equipment and tools were prudently gathered or invented to git-er-done here and now.  ;)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on August 01, 2017, 10:41:20 AM
James, Jeff S, and myself also helped with track building. Initially there was only Dad and I too start set up. By the time we were ready to put rails down the crew grew to be 5 of us. Kind of discouraging but thankfully Ichabod was able to do the heavy lifting.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 01, 2017, 11:42:16 AM
Mark and Jay were also up there in the morning. We took a walk down the mountain after the last rails were laid. I was very glad to receive the help to get the track built. Hoping Fred leaves one flat car empty for potential use Saturday.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 01, 2017, 06:23:16 PM
Forgot to mention, in the photo of me on the excavator, look just above the bucket. That is Bryce moving in to hook the chain on the bucket to try and get the old culvert out of the way. That is as far as we could get it. It is solid full of material, and very heavy. I will move it when I can get over on the other side of it.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 02, 2017, 06:07:31 PM
The Wednesday crew paid a visit to the hole today, delivering stone. The old fashioned way..Jason was kind enough to share his photos..

TOM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_5312_zpsbnsr9sn8.jpg)

Very end of track
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/IMG_5313_zpsfskmov3d.jpg)

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Plenty of stone in there now..

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Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 03, 2017, 12:30:11 PM
How many more flat car loads will it take to get a base for the culvert?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 03, 2017, 01:42:45 PM
Just the half they brought. I wanted a few tip car loads, but Jason suggested this way, and get it done all at once. I am going to make a bony type gravel with what is there.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 03, 2017, 09:02:11 PM
Great photo coverage, especially the flying stone, courtesy of the shovel crew. 
Flat 118 got fixed in time...temp track laid to the EDGE of the washout...good-sized work crew. 
I bet that mud-stuffed old pipe is HEA-VY.
The small diameter pipe now used to temp drain this washout...will that be used farther north at  mini-washouts?
 
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 03, 2017, 10:08:50 PM
The smaller pipe is for a cross culvert about 600 feet north, and the larger is for a pipe that drains an occasional wet area. Both to be installed this year.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 04, 2017, 10:40:26 PM
The weather report for tomorrow afternoon does not look promising, but we will do what we can. Hoping it passes without much activity.

Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 05, 2017, 12:14:08 AM
Weather Underground sez possible Alna T-storm Saturday afternoon, but clear Sunday.
Good luck, am doing a rain un-dance.  ;D
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 05, 2017, 09:24:57 PM
The first piece of the culvert was set in the washout out today.

Culvert loaded up on the flatcar.

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The Kubota at the bottom of the washout.

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Lowering the culvert into the hole.

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Culvert set in the hole.

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Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on August 05, 2017, 11:10:45 PM
Wow!  Great set of photos, Brendan -- thanks for posting them.  Lots of progress today.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on August 05, 2017, 11:28:40 PM
Truly amazing work by all you guys!!!
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on August 05, 2017, 11:40:09 PM
Gee, when you guys say you go to end of track, you really mean END OF TRACK!  My only question is that I assume you have a coupling for the two sections, why not place it on the one end to make joining easier?  Just curious..........
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 06, 2017, 01:57:23 AM
The coupling slips on over the end rather easily and then clamps together. I did not want to put it on until ready to put the pieces together because I want to tar the seam.

I am more than pleased with how well setting it in went. We had several discussions as we progressed. Safety was priority. Prior to this I had thought and thought how to tie the crane down. The first picture shows how that was done.

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Looking up at Bill from the hole.

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Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 06, 2017, 03:08:21 AM
Superb job!
Well done, Mike and crew, think youz passed Culvert Setting with an A+! No injuries, no damage, great technique. Those nearby 'anchor' trees came in handy.
And, contractor's fee...ZILCHO!
Even got a sneak peak at the new  sawmill siding platform.  :D
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on August 06, 2017, 03:09:12 AM
Good going,team!

Question: Was it a big hassle getting the culvert from lengthwise on the flat car, as in Brendan's 3rd picture, to crosswise, for lifting by the crane?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 06, 2017, 03:19:13 AM
And, how did 52 get in front of 118?  ;)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on August 06, 2017, 09:15:00 AM
The crane lifted the pipe off the car, and was then spun into position to be set. Once the pipe was lifted off the car, 52 went to ToM, ran around, and was put in front of the crane for extra weight. Everything went very well, or so it seemed. And the actual setting of the culvert was around an hour.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 06, 2017, 12:53:39 PM
Fantastic work. when will the 2nd pipe be set?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 06, 2017, 03:19:36 PM
And I slept like a baby last night. Ashamed to say, I never opened my eyes until 8 this morning...

I am hoping to set the second pipe first thing Saturday Morning. I would like a crew to leave the station by 8. Loading and setting the culvert should be done by the first trains arrival at TOM. We will then be done for the day to partake in the rest of the days activities.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 08, 2017, 02:08:07 PM
National Weather Service currently has a 40% chance for showers Saturday. I am still in hopes to set the pipe in place, but the forecast will determine that. If it rains at all Friday evening, we will not place the pipe. The good old Alna clay will be too slippery to be safely walked on. I do still have just a little prep left to do.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 11, 2017, 12:13:16 PM
Putting out the last call for help for first thing in the morning. I need to get the last pipe in. After tomorrow, I have 7 Saturdays left so this is crucial. 8 AM preferred departure. If I have enough before, we will leave then.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 11, 2017, 11:09:56 PM
The second culvert section has been loaded on the flatcar and is in position for setting it out Saturday morning.   
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on August 11, 2017, 11:11:09 PM
Mike,
I'll be there by 8.
Dave
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on August 11, 2017, 11:11:51 PM
 This afternoon the second pipe and the joining section were put on a flat car and delivered to the end of track where the crane is ready to lift them into place tomorrow. There should be a team ready to go with Mike to the end of track to get this done before the first train of the day.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on August 11, 2017, 11:16:37 PM
Mike,
Jason agrees that that scratches on the second culvert should buff right out... ;D
Dave
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 12, 2017, 10:52:24 PM
Rain this morning prevented setting the last culvert section, but we did hook it to the crane and set it on the ground, freeing up the flats. Saturday I will finish the prep and we can set that in place. No pictures were taken due to the rain.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 19, 2017, 08:52:41 PM
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The crew this morning, muddy feet and tar covered hands, gloves and clothes. Gerry and Carlos standing on the crane, Alan and Steve Z. in front of it, Steve P. is on the pipe, Mark is in the mud next to the pipe and Harold to the right. We were done before the first train.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on August 19, 2017, 09:00:33 PM
Very nice job by all involved today!  Thanks for the update and photo, Mike.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on August 19, 2017, 09:07:44 PM
YAY!  Only one person smiling- just like a period photograph.  Should black-and-white it...
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Harold Downey on August 19, 2017, 09:33:26 PM
I don't know why I am smiling with that piece of wood stuck in my arm.  :)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Springs on August 19, 2017, 11:28:36 PM
As a period photo...
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on August 19, 2017, 11:54:46 PM
Harold, I think you were photoshopped into that picture (you're too clean looking).
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on August 20, 2017, 12:13:39 AM
Congratulations,team!! You got er done even though Ma Nature was ornery.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 20, 2017, 04:04:17 AM
Very pro-looking job, gents.
Not to be pushy, but when does backfill start?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 20, 2017, 11:55:34 AM
Bringing in a compactor this week, and Saturdays picture should be much different. To complete the permitted portion of this, all that needs to be done is back fill 1 foot above the pipe. I can borrow enough from the grade to accomplish that. We can then back fill when we want.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on August 20, 2017, 02:57:20 PM
Excellent work by our awesome construction team working to push the rail head northward! Onwards to Albion!  :)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 26, 2017, 09:40:40 PM
Pictures from todays progress..

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Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John McNamara on August 26, 2017, 09:46:42 PM
The 'flying compactor" is a very interesting picture.... ???
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on August 26, 2017, 10:53:19 PM
I was wondering if any temporary internal bracing was going to be used during backfill and compaction.  Nice planning Mike!
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on August 26, 2017, 11:19:25 PM
Looks rather muddy (or maybe it's clay).
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 26, 2017, 11:31:25 PM
Bracing is doing double duty. Support, plus I stretched the culvert a little. I backfilled with a shovel and compacted with a 2x4 before installation. Then crawled in and jacked and braced. Then compacted again...this is why I did it. When the tension is released, it will be even tighter against the sides

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Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on August 27, 2017, 12:04:25 AM
Obviously a project lead by a man who knows all the tricks - Gee!  You wouldn't happen to do this full-time.... ;D
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Nyle Buxton on August 27, 2017, 12:35:11 AM
 I have in my shop an old BOMAG ?  plate tamper that has been sitting around for many years that the museum can have for free if you want it  . It was given to me because it wouldn't start. Seemed to have low compression so I pulled the head off. Valves were a little questionable,  and the coil wire had been taped up. It's been sitting ever since , apart , and I don't need it.    Might not cost to much to fix or it might  be easier to just buy a new engine for it. Believe it has a 5hp Robin engine on it.  I'll check to confirm this.
  I'm located in Bohemia, LI, NY  if the museum is interested.

Nyle
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 27, 2017, 11:03:34 PM
Made an unusual Sunday trip down today. I wanted to make the most of the rented compactor. I managed to get enough done that we don't need to rent it again.

Hoping Saturday I can finish what can be done at this location and get ready to move north..
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 28, 2017, 05:25:12 AM
Great work, Mike.
Are you aiming to complete backfilling here all the way up to track subgrade level by next weekend? :P
Can you get enough good fill together this week? How will you compact it?
Will ROW work toward the next washout start right away?
I realize the state/fed permit clock is ticking.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 28, 2017, 12:55:11 PM
Fill will happen in a couple of weeks. Not enough there tobackfill with. Getting it covered by a foot will clear us from the written permit portion of that location. Next location is a much smaller culvert with a much smaller washout, followed by a small cross culvert. I expect each of these to take one day each.

Ditching may not be completed this year on this section, which is fine. We have a 2 year window with DEP. And cleaning existing ditches is not a permit required, unless it is a wet area.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 02, 2017, 10:46:29 PM
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First piece of museum equipment North of the washout..
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Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on September 02, 2017, 11:44:56 PM
That looks real nice!
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 02, 2017, 11:51:13 PM
Very nice, Mike.  Looks like you got a lot more done this afternoon.

I must be blind.  I didn't notice any hay bales when I was up there this morning, but I see the hay spread over the seeded areas in your new photos.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 03, 2017, 12:12:31 AM
I had 6 around the site. Now 4.5...

Yes, I would have done better had I remembered fuel for the Kubota. After another trip south, I got enough done so I was happy. 5lbs of grass seed later, I am hoping for a little rain..
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 03, 2017, 02:23:28 PM
I wish it was financially feasible to send you some bluestone from NE PA, it would look real sweet at the end of the culvert instead of the big cobbles!

Otherwise it is quite awesome looking and getting closer to a foot above the top of the pipe. I see visions of the railhead at Rt 218 ...

Is there enough time to get the other two smaller pipes installed and covered before the permit windows runs out?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 03, 2017, 02:45:33 PM
Yes, the work on the other two pipes starts Saturday. I have a little left to do on the big one, but anticipate moving on to location 2 by lunch.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stephen Hussar on September 03, 2017, 10:29:32 PM
This is just great, Mike! Thanks also for the pics!
SH
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 03, 2017, 11:00:40 PM
Nice work, Mike.I like your gravel erosion-control stone "stilling basins"  at both ends of pipe, the hay and grass seed re-vegetation and the no-nonsense rocks over the culvert ends. Great useage of what's available. That's how I end up improving my property. Costs little or nothing.   :)

Looking forward to next Saturday's Continuing Culvert Capers  ;)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 04, 2017, 01:09:48 AM
I have in my shop an old BOMAG ?  plate tamper that has been sitting around for many years that the museum can have for free if you want it  . It was given to me because it wouldn't start. Seemed to have low compression so I pulled the head off. Valves were a little questionable,  and the coil wire had been taped up. It's been sitting ever since , apart , and I don't need it.    Might not cost to much to fix or it might  be easier to just buy a new engine for it. Believe it has a 5hp Robin engine on it.  I'll check to confirm this.
  I'm located in Bohemia, LI, NY  if the museum is interested.

Nyle

Nyle, sorry about not getting back to you sooner. Please hang on to that for us, and hopefully it will wind up in Alna.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 04, 2017, 01:52:11 PM
Great work, Mike. Looking forward to seeing photos from the next two washouts.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Stone on September 05, 2017, 07:21:03 PM
Beautiful work Mike! You definitely made the grade! It will be so great to extend the track into this scenic area!

John
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 10, 2017, 01:06:25 PM
To expand on what James mentioned about Jeff looking at the culvert.

Jeff is our contractor. He had constructed a road for us just for the purpose of filling the washout and slide. The road was never fully completed, but is within 50 feet of the grade. The plan is for him to complete the road to the grade, and then fill the hole we put the culvert in.

Due to being private property, we had to get permission from the land owner to use the road, and due to various reasons, that permission never came until a few weeks ago. We are very lucky to have great neighbors to allow this to happen.

Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 10, 2017, 01:12:05 PM
This is most excellent and welcome news. Congratulations to the team for doing everything to make this happen - and a special thank you to our wonderful neighbors and nearby friends who support and cherish our railroad.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 11, 2017, 12:25:04 AM
Jeff is our contractor. He had constructed a road for us just for the purpose of filling the washout and slide. The road was never fully completed, but is within 50 feet of the grade. The plan is for him to complete the road to the grade, and then fill the hole we put the culvert in.

Glad to hear permission was secured to allow heavy equipment into the ROW to handle the fill for the washout. I can imagine how much effort it was going to be to try and do it via rail.


Next we walked to the slide. I am amazed that neither the Army Corps or the DEP are concerned about that. No permit required. We just need to be mindful of runoff, and control erosion.

Thinking of economies of scale, if the heavy equipment is in situ and no DEP or Army Corps permits are needed for the slide, why not take care of it now. Knock off as much of the low-hanging fruit (i.e. no permits required and culvert repairs) as time permits with the availability of heavy equipment. Getting the road access is a major enough game-changing event to revisit the original plan for this year.

Plus, the Museum is losing the "Mr. Scott" miracle worker reputation to the three-foot DSP&P usurpers in Como, Colorado.;D


Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 11, 2017, 12:30:24 AM
Thinking of economies of scale, if the heavy equipment is in situ and no DEP or Army Corps permits are needed for the slide, why not take care of it now. Knock off as much of the low-hanging fruit (i.e. no permits required and culvert repairs) as time permits with the availability of heavy equipment. Getting the road access is a major enough game-changing event to revisit the original plan for this year.

Alas, no money for it this year.  With the bridge arriving soon, that's occupied the Annual Fund drive letter for this year.  We probably won't be able to address it for a couple of years at least because of the bridge and ROW repairs needed beyond the bridge.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 11, 2017, 01:28:54 AM
Actually, it was discussed at the August board meeting. Cost and timing were both discussed. I was hoping for a start on it after September 30th. But that is when things start to soften again, and we could do a lot of damage to both the grade and the road. So we will discuss it again at a future board meeting, springtime sometime, again talking about timing and financials.

Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 16, 2017, 08:38:12 PM
She said yes..

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Our contractor reviewed the approach to the grade. He asked that 2 trees be removed so he could make an easy transition. So I approached the land owner to get her permission. We have a leased right of way through here, and I wanted her aware of the modification to her land, and make sure she was alright with it. As you can see by the pine tree laying across the grade, she was.

This is how the inlet for the culvert looks today. Greening up nicely

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I decided to re-set the culvert at location 2. I was in too big of a hurry last week. The culvert is in properly, under the direct supervision of Fred.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on September 16, 2017, 08:41:42 PM
Is that our ROW or the access road?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 16, 2017, 08:46:50 PM
I decided to re-set the culvert at location 2. I was in too big of a hurry last week. The culvert is in properly, under the direct supervision of Fred.

Maybe we should send Fred with you on every trip up north.  It would keep him off the concrete.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 17, 2017, 01:30:14 AM
Ira, the dirt at the bottom of the top photo is the top of the fill to the washout we just installed the culvert. I removed the top layer, small stumps etc., last weekend. This is looking north. The access road is to the right of the tree that is across the grade.

This was last Saturday, just forgot to post..looking south

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Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on September 17, 2017, 01:33:21 AM
Thanks Mike.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 17, 2017, 01:45:28 PM
I decided to re-set the culvert at location 2. I was in too big of a hurry last week. The culvert is in properly, under the direct supervision of Fred.

Maybe we should send Fred with you on every trip up north.  It would keep him off the concrete.

Wouldn't that slow Mike down? ;D
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 17, 2017, 02:03:24 PM
I can't wait to take a walk down the ROW during FWW.  Last time I saw it, it was brush, thorns, and just a jungle.  What an amazing transformation!  Keep up the good work Mike and everyone else who has helped.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 17, 2017, 10:40:48 PM
Will Jeff  be able to fill the first washout to track subgrade level by FWW? The other smaller washout(s)? Trackwork possible by then? I'm wishing.  ;)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on September 18, 2017, 12:49:06 AM
If track gets built across the washout it can't go very far because it can't be built near where the access road comes to the grade.  It would block trucks and equipment from reaching the other places where the grade needs repair work.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 18, 2017, 01:05:40 AM
I decided to re-set the culvert at location 2. I was in too big of a hurry last week. The culvert is in properly, under the direct supervision of Fred.

Maybe we should send Fred with you on every trip up north.  It would keep him off the concrete.

Wouldn't that slow Mike down? ;D

As quick and thorough as Mike is with his work, I suspect he would have a hard time keeping up with Fred.  I know I can't!
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on September 18, 2017, 10:49:46 AM
The current plan is to hold off on mainline track laying till next spring or fall, depending on how filling goes this year. The hope is to lay 1,000' at a time again like we used to do. If we can build 1,000' of track in 3 work weekends we will be almost to 218, and across Trout Brook. We have 7 work weekends between now and the estimated timeline for being over the brook if everything goes well. All of this will depend on money, and a few other matters, but that is the anticpated timeline.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 18, 2017, 11:50:50 AM
Fall of 2018, at the earliest. That is if we can take care of the slide. There is also a spot that we are going to need to do some work on that may delay this. We are in the planning stages on that, and may have decided on what needs or can be done there. We just need to research that and go from there.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 24, 2017, 01:40:02 AM
[Moderator's Note]
A discussion relating to improved efficiencies in track laying has been split to: http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3046.0.html (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3046.0.html)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 24, 2017, 02:26:48 PM
Edited for corrections based on Mike's later post.

After James and I finished walking the line yesterday measuring culvert locations, we continued walking past end of track all the way to Route 218.  Here are some pictures I took of the route down the mountain.  Mike and others can correct any mistakes I make in the photo descriptions.  Many of the pictures have location markers set out in 300-foot intervals.  I believe the starting point for these markers was the end of track at Top of Mountain before about 900 feet of track was added to bring equipment to the edge of the first washout.  The first washout, where Mike has set the 4-foot steel culvert, falls somewhere in the 1000-foot range.

1.  View looking south toward the first washout where Mike has set the first culvert (the right-of-way in shadows in the distance).  Barely visible in the distance is the current end of track, not yet in service.  The back of the 1200 FT sign can be seen on the right.

(https://i.imgur.com/bDzGQGn.jpg)


2.  At 1500 FT, there's a minor washout.  Mike has set a culvert several feet to the south, about where the surveyor's stake is on the right.  Jeff will bring in material to fill in the washout.  In the far distance, Mike can barely been seen walking toward the Kubota setting a relief culvert 200 feet north of this location at the next washout .

(https://i.imgur.com/wMiW2vh.jpg)


3.  Yesterday, Mike set the relief culvert at the north end of this year's permitted work zone next and last washout to be addressed this season.  Just beyond is the area where a portion of the right-of-way has slid.

(https://i.imgur.com/IbXCTTP.jpg)


4.  Mike finishing up work at the last washout on the relief culvert as James P. looks on.

(https://i.imgur.com/SkfE4YX.jpg)


5.  Turning 180 degrees and walking a few steps north, here is the section where a portion of the right-of-way slid.  Just beyond is the 1800 FT marker.

(https://i.imgur.com/fwUSdRJ.jpg)


6.  The view south from the opposite end of the slide.  Note Mike and the Kubota in the distance.

(https://i.imgur.com/F4T3bK3.jpg)
 

7.  Turning 180 degrees again, here is the 1800 FT marker, looking north toward Head Tide.

(https://i.imgur.com/u0hOJCp.jpg)


8.  It seems there's a washout every 300 feet or so through this section.  Here's the view at the 2100 FT marker.  In the distance is a small washout.

(https://i.imgur.com/vDqFecW.jpg)


9.  The washout just north of the 2100 FT marker.

(https://i.imgur.com/KlkttyF.jpg)


10.  The most substantial washout north of the slide looks to be just north of the 2400 FT marker.

(https://i.imgur.com/mLliRa7.jpg)


11.  The washout just north of the 2400 FT marker.

(https://i.imgur.com/WoxLndo.jpg)


12.  At the 2700 FT marker, another small washout.

(https://i.imgur.com/pNY9djx.jpg)


13.  3000 FT is the last marker that has been set out.  Here is the first spot where we break out into a sunny area, with the expected thicket of goldenrod, raspberry, etc.

(https://i.imgur.com/1lsq08Q.jpg)


14.  The Trout Brook bridge site, looking north toward Head Tide.  My best guess walking from the 3000 FT marker is that it's at least 600 feet from the marker, but I'm sure someone has measured it and knows better.

(https://i.imgur.com/WoShevj.jpg)


15.  The view looking south from the opposite side of the brook.  It's been dry in Maine, so we could easily cross while keeping our boots dry.  Note the evidence of drilling to check the soil conditions in preparation for the "new" bridge.

(https://i.imgur.com/hjWSZVR.jpg)
 

16.  North of the bridge site, the right-of-way has recently been cleared up to Route 218 so the drilling equipment could be brought in.  In this view, we looking south toward the bridge site at a location where the Midcoast Conservancy trails connect with the right-of-way.  If we turn 180 degrees, Route 218 is to the north, roughly the same distance away as the bridge site.

(https://i.imgur.com/LwNkv8b.jpg)

Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on September 24, 2017, 02:43:41 PM
The footage started where we stopped putting track down BEFORE we bought the TOM property.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on September 24, 2017, 04:03:45 PM
Bill, thanks for the photos.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Glenn Christensen on September 24, 2017, 04:15:24 PM
Thanks Bill!!!

Your review of the current condition of the mainline grade has really given this fellow from "away" a better appreciation for what you guys are accomplishing and the work to come!

Do you think the number of washouts is indicative of any specific condition of the soil in the area or is it just the natural consequence of the many years with no maintenance?


Best Regards,
Glenn
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Eric Larsen on September 24, 2017, 04:54:29 PM
Looks interesting.
Going down the mountain I would think we would want to pay extra attention to ditching.  Larger volume ditches and perhaps an extra culvert or two to east the possibility of over stress ditches and culverts.  Since apparently we are not going to be cutting trees as far back as usual I would think that we should plan for sudden aqua events that could be caused by trees blowing over and becoming dams in places where there are currently no washouts.  I recall the big rainstorm we got about 15 years ago when we lost a culvert and the water was almost up to the shop building and station.  That storm took out some culverts on the road too and they were all either jammed with brush or to small to begin with.
Also, did yo guys already fill the washout north of Trout Brook just north of the curve?
Just curious.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 24, 2017, 05:48:17 PM
Mike would know the soil conditions, based on all the preparation work he has done plus the work he's done setting culverts so far.  I know he's been very thorough in planning the work, arranging permits in manageable segments that can be completed within the permit's time frame, ensuring regulations are followed while also ensuring the finished result meets our needs.

Someone must have filled in any washouts that were north of the Trout Brook bridge at some point, because the drilling company was able to drive into the site.

Fred:  Yes, I remember the distance markers were set up at one time from the end of track before we purchased the ToM property, but after the ToM track was built, they were all moved northward, with point "0" somewhere just north of the north mainline switch.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 24, 2017, 05:50:38 PM
First, the distance from the 3000 foot sign to Trout Brook is almost 800 feet, according to my notes.

All washouts were developed over time. The one at 2700 feet happened when what ever was going on at 2400 feet plugged up.

Soil is mostly fill in this area. Though I did get into more gravel type soil Saturday. Made digging decent.

I have measured and planned culverts for about every 300 feet, or less depending on terrain. Some are just relief culverts like the one Bill took a picture of me installing Saturday. There was no washout there, but it is 200 feet from the prior location.

2400 feet gets the other 4 foot culvert, 2700 is going to have a 2 foot culvert, the rest are 1 18 inch and 2-12 inch locations. There is a ditch to be repaired, from the 3000 foot sign to about 100 feet from the bridge. This can not be completed until the bridge is in so we can get material in there. It needs to be repaired before track goes in.

The small washout north of the bridge will be repaired as part of the bridge project. There are 3 other locations north of that where cross pipes will be installed.

We have it all marked on the map in the house, locations are marked, and below is a spreadsheet of work planned at the locations so anyone interested can see.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 24, 2017, 06:09:49 PM
Location 2. Inlet. North is to the right. Only thing left here is to fill the washout.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0923171614_zpsmgxt3r7y.jpg)


Outlet

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0923171615_zps5u7ioocc.jpg)


Location 3. 12 inch culvert. I need riprap for the outlet still, and finish the retaining wall I started.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0923171058_zpspqxgsscv.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0923171609_Burst01_zpsr0tlzwfb.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0923171610_zps3vcwv4fr.jpg)

Jeff working on the access road

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0923171630_zpsmlbkqsrp.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0923171635a_zps91jspaca.jpg)

Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on September 24, 2017, 07:04:47 PM
Thanks for the great photos.  Once route 218 is reached, is the plan to install a runaround track and end railroad expansion?  Or.....is this still to be determined?  I imagine crossing the road would put you in a whole 'nother world with the FRA.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on September 24, 2017, 07:14:10 PM
Once we cross 218 there is no good place to put a run around track, it might be done with a lot of fill at end of track.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on September 24, 2017, 08:02:35 PM
Mike and Bill, great photos of some really great culvert work and right-of-way rebuilding work. Thanks for the pics for us, the "away" folks, and the great write-ups on what's being done, by whom and when. Can't wait for the FWW so I can see some of this work first-hand.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 24, 2017, 09:15:54 PM
I have found a relatively easy place for a run around at 218. I say easy because not much will need to be done with it, other than level some fill. And I do think it will be permanent, with a pull/push arrangement beyond if and when the road is crossed.

As for 218 being the end, we will see. It has been discussed over and over, so without getting into that again, 218 will be a temporary end to Northward expansion. It will be expensive to cross and continue north, but will be a scenic view of the Sheepscot River Valley. Discussions will continue, without a doubt.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 24, 2017, 09:33:27 PM
Walking to 218 yesterday reminds me a little bit of "the old days" when it was quite a hike to get to Humason Trestle.  This walk was easy compared to then, when you had to thread your way around trees growing on the trackbed.  In fact the area around Cock-eye Curve was so overgrown we didn't realize there was a curve there until we started cutting it off.  A hike to the trestle was a good way to burn off part of an afternoon.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Glenn Christensen on September 24, 2017, 09:58:16 PM
Thanks Mike for your additional insights, comments, and photographs.

And THANK YOU all for your dedicated HARD WORK on behalf of the WW&F.

Sincerely,
Glenn
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ira Schreiber on September 24, 2017, 11:23:58 PM
I echo Glenn's thanks to Mike's work.

The only paper work once 218 is crossed is the monthly report to FRA on crossing inspection. Since 218 is a a state highway, the State of Maine will determine what is required for crossing protection. That is in the future, of course.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 25, 2017, 12:38:11 AM
I do need to remind everyone reading this, the access road is private. Please do not use. Doing so may jeopordize future use of the road. We have construction access only.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on September 25, 2017, 09:59:34 AM
Mike's reminder applies to our volunteers, unless specifically authorized by project manager Mike.  This includes railroad volunteers, unless Mike authorizes.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 25, 2017, 01:45:17 PM
Bill and Mike,

Thanks for the excellent photo documentary of the progress that has been made and future work that needs to be done.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 25, 2017, 07:43:11 PM
Next, we arrived at a pinch point, as Jason calls it. This is a location of a slide that happened after the railroad shut down, but before it was logged in the 50's 60's. The roadbed slid into the brook. We want to do minimal work here but due to the location, we need to have a larger permit. It will be scrutinized more by the DEP, and we will have a lot more prep in the permit application itself.


Is this the pinch point? It looks more like the May description than the photo at 2400'
 ||
 \/


9.  The washout just north of the 2100 FT marker.

(https://i.imgur.com/KlkttyF.jpg)


Just trying to reconcile the two narratives.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 25, 2017, 08:06:23 PM
I *think* the "pinch point" is not in Bill's series of photos. It's really easy to miss it when you are hiking the ROW. The original ROW slid away, but when the area was logged, they just cut more of the embankment aside. Then all the trees grew up around it. So it looks like the ROW, but it isn't. The only give-away are the divots left in the ground where the ties rotted away.

My understanding is that we are going to lay the track here on this slightly modified alignment, rather than deal with repairing another slide (which is in a more environmentally sensitive area due to its proximity to the brook.)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 25, 2017, 09:46:53 PM
The pinch point is not in my series of photos.  I did miss the spot, even though James did remark the ROW deviated a little bit in one spot as we were walking north.  I missed the connection between "deviation" and "pinch point" at the time.  That must have been the pinch point.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 25, 2017, 10:43:10 PM
Here is the "pinch point".
Please note, before you suggest anything, the center photo looks right down to the brook. There is no easy way around this. We have come up with a potential solution, and will be checking with the proper contacts to make sure it is an approved repair before we apply to repair. This is "location 6"
on the map. (http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0527171632d_zpsqnipabmj.jpg)
Looking North. Original grade is to the left.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0527171632c_zpslyujlvis.jpg)
Looking down the 1:1.5 to the brook

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0527171632b_zpswrxth8tt.jpg)
Looking South.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 26, 2017, 12:53:43 AM
So, what are we looking at. I took the liberty to outline my photos.
Both pictures show the known bank and grade, outlined in yellow.
Red shows approximate railroad center line. Pink arrow indicates where I found tie impressions to support my theory.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Pinch%20Point_zpsjgp7sduh.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Pinch%20Point%201_zps1oguapli.jpg)

And speaking of theory, I believe this happened at the same time the washout we just intalled the large culvert in occured. This would have been in 1938 during the New England Hurricane, or 1944 during the Great Atlantic Hurricane.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on September 26, 2017, 12:27:55 PM
So, what are we looking at. I took the liberty to outline my photos.
Both pictures show the known bank and grade, outlined in yellow.
Red shows approximate railroad center line. Pink arrow indicates where I found tie impressions to support my theory.

And speaking of theory, I believe this happened at the same time the washout we just intalled the large culvert in occured. This would have been in 1938 during the New England Hurricane, or 1944 during the Great Atlantic Hurricane.

For those interested in the background ....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_New_England_hurricane (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_New_England_hurricane)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944_Great_Atlantic_hurricane (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944_Great_Atlantic_hurricane)

So that must mean the loggers built a bypass on the right side of the first photo.

Might another possibility be that the roadbed is on the right of the first photo and the next event, Donna in 1960, caused the washout? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Donna (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Donna).
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 26, 2017, 01:31:12 PM
Trees are too well established to be a 1960 event. We figure the loggers did cut into the bank, and we intend to modify the grade so we can do the same.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 30, 2017, 10:04:01 PM
Pictures are worth a thousand words..

The big hole is no more

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0930171302b_zpsvjzlm7cp.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0930171302a_zpsla9lwrwb.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0930171242a_zpssbvgrrjg.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0930171303_zpsqoydcwce.jpg)


Location 2 is also done

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0930171222a_zpstub48tl6.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0930171222_zpsuioa2xw6.jpg)


As well as location 3, finishing work for the year..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0930171123c_zpstrwqdusw.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0930171123b_zpsguxddorj.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0930171123_zpsxugghuuy.jpg)


And to discourage vehicle use..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0930171306_zpshhrpszoe.jpg)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on September 30, 2017, 10:49:26 PM
That's truly fantastic work, Mike. It looks amazing.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 30, 2017, 10:56:54 PM
The big fill was all Jeff. His large machine made easy work of it.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 30, 2017, 11:51:51 PM
Please extend my compliments to Jeff.  That is one mighty fine looking job!  Are we waiting until spring to lay track in that section?
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 01, 2017, 12:58:40 AM
I think we are only waiting about a week. Dana says he would like to put out the 60 feet up there that we can during the FWW. This will leave room for trucks to still have access the slide.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on October 01, 2017, 02:11:18 AM
Well and truly done, Mike Fox and friends. You guys are the best!
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 01, 2017, 03:54:38 AM
Was wondering why there were few progress reports, pics, from the "washout zone" lately.
Now I know why. Youz guyz were busy as a flock of one-toothed beavers.  ;D
Absolutely first-rate work, especially the big washout rip-rap job, traffic blocks at the access road, classy  little retaining wall at the last washout.
Well, well done!   
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 01, 2017, 04:23:19 AM
So it looks like you want useable track installed over the just-finished Fossell washout, stopping short of the 218 access road/ROW corner, to set up rail and road access to re-profile the landslide ROW, and as a prelude to Trout Brook bridge support/install work.

And since the Sheepscot parking lot is being upgraded to temporarily receive those big trusses, how will they be moved up the line to Trout Creek? And installed?
This will probably be the most spectacular project  WW&F has ever managed. I'm thinking local news outlets will jump on it.

What is your proposed start date?
Our annual Abq International Balloon Fiesta  starts in a few days.
 
I consider the Trout project just as interesting.   
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on October 01, 2017, 09:15:33 AM
Unfortunately anything that happens with less than 500 spectators is not news worthy in Maine. :( With that being said, everything is reliant on money. The sooner funds are available, the sooner work can be completed and the bridge set. Track is expected to be built across Trout Brook by 2020, so the bridge will most likely be set sometime in 2018 or 19. Reaching 218 will be a huge accomplishment, and I think that will be a good time to have a ceremony commemorating everyone who has contributed time, and or money to help restore the railway. With enough notice, I would suspect we could get as much as 500+ people to be on hand for that special moment.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 01, 2017, 12:30:30 PM
Paul, it would be cool to deliver the bridge by train, but impossible. Current plan is to assemble in Sheepscot. There is a grant for that. Next summer, July 15 through Sept. 30, work will commence on the Trout Brook location, provided we have permits, which by then should have been taken care of. Current plan is to have the bridge installed and track laid across it in just the permit area by fall 2019, or spring 2020, before the permit expires. All subject to change of course.

At the same time, we will continue our progess on the grade work. Hoping we can finish culverts in 2018, but there are some that need material. So those may be finished in 2019.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 01, 2017, 07:29:25 PM
Rick,
Yes. This area drains into Trout Brook, which drains into the Sheepscot River, which is a protected waterway for Atlantic Salmon.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on October 07, 2017, 12:11:26 PM
Post-Tropical Depression Nate looks like it will track over Alna during Tuesday, It will be a good test of the new ditch and culvert work.

Since it is FWW and extra hands are available ya'all might want to take one more look at the upstream areas to make sure any fallen branches are out of the way so they do not clog the newly set pipes or anyplace else.

If the plan is still to work on the Humason Brook Trestle better button it all up before the rain.

It's tracking right over Scranton, so I'm spending the day buttoning up myself.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 15, 2017, 02:52:04 AM
If I read Mike's posts correctly, with both permit sections 2 and 3 complete we are good all the way to the bridge.  I also believe he said we can't lay track in section 2 until 3 is done as the heavy equipment will have no means of access.  Did I get this right?
No. The first section is done. Locations 1, 2 and 3. That is the big pipe, and 18" and a 12". Section 2 consists of one location. 4. The slide. Section 3 and section 5 have more pipes. A 12", 18" 48" and a 24" locations 5, 8, 9 &10.
Location 6 is what we call the pinch point, which needs stabalizing. Location 7 is a 12" cross pipe, that will be included in section 4, due to the proximity to the brook.

Then there is about 500 feet of ditch to repair and armor.

Oh, and then there is a bridge..plenty of work to do yet.

Plus more pipe work north of that..all takes time. And permits..
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on October 15, 2017, 10:24:32 AM
Thanks for the correction Mike, there is a lot of stuff to remember and obviously I didn't remember it all.  From the sounds of it, looks like 2019 for the big track laying session.  If possible a map, with the permit sections and tasks needed detailed on it would be a really big help in understanding the whole scope of work to get to the bridge.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 15, 2017, 12:37:56 PM
I may find a way to put the map on here. I need to tweak it a little though.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on October 16, 2017, 08:50:50 PM
Does anyone have a picture of the track that was installed on the first washout during FWW? If so please post.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 16, 2017, 09:21:07 PM
There are a few on Facebook. Here's one:
(https://scontent.fbed1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22406497_10155205955666871_2616875245310711092_n.jpg?oh=782ed2b267eec04527bcc88261e08191&oe=5A827E6F)
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on October 17, 2017, 09:53:56 PM
Ed, Thanks for posting the picture.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 23, 2017, 11:11:06 AM
On the way North to do some layout at the pinch point, we noticed one of the barrier logs I placed at the access road was out of place. Kind of skewed at an angle. Investigating, I found where it had been hit by a vehicle. So we straightened it back out, and I drove some stakes in the ground and put some orange flagging tape on them.

Some measurements have been made at the pinch point 3 seperate times in the last week. That location grew to include the cross pipes north and south of it, due to being within 75 feet of the brook.

We are still planning the repair, actually have pretty much settled on it, and will be applying for permits so we can (hopefully) complete the work next summer.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on October 23, 2017, 02:13:19 PM
On the way North to do some layout at the pinch point, we noticed one of the barrier logs I placed at the access road was out of place. Kind of skewed at an angle. Investigating, I found where it had been hit by a vehicle. So we straightened it back out, and I drove some stakes in the ground and put some orange flagging tape on them.

Sound like a need for a pair of trail cameras.....and a "this area is under video surveillance" sign.
Title: Re: Down the Mountain to Trout Brook - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 23, 2017, 03:01:42 PM
No, I am sure it was just a local bird hunter or something. May have been someone scouting where to hunt this weekend.

I do not like signs, as it is not our property. The same with a camera. One vehicle should not result in anything other than what was done. I am just thankful I placed the logs there. Had the vehicle made it onto the ROW, they could have been seriously hurt.