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Title: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on September 05, 2008, 12:31:56 PM
An update on #7: We continue to work on tube end removal and smokebox disconnection. Our plan is to send just the boiler to Boothbay. This will allow them to work on the boiler in their shop and solve the transportation issue that we had with trying to move the whole locomotive. Our goal is to get the boiler up there before the end of 2008.

BTW...MRR 3 is now at Boothbay.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on October 28, 2008, 06:48:10 PM
It's a possibility that the boiler may be lifted out this Saturday (November 1). A few things have to come together (or come apart) for this to happen successfully. Currently we are coordinating getting the boom truck and then making sure that BRV can handle the arrival on their end. Not all tube ends have been cut out but we can finish this at BRV.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on November 04, 2008, 01:28:16 PM
Not quite there with boiler. More hard work last Saturday as we burned more bolts off to remove firebox and smokebox braces. We have cut away most of the smokebox from the saddle. Only thing left now is a few more saddle bolts and detaching the air compressor.

Breaking news...the boiler will be right next door to WW&F as it is going to Alna instead of BRV to be worked on by Brian and Jason. Some of will be up there on occasion to finish removing tube ends.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on November 05, 2008, 05:16:14 AM
Is There Any Photos Of #7s Current state? :( :)
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on November 05, 2008, 10:45:27 PM
Photos have been taken but not posted yet. Not sure you want to see it with out a cab roof and a stripped boiler. All part of the repair process.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Greg-Pockets-Boden on November 05, 2008, 11:56:00 PM
Many of us would, most assuredly, like to see pictures of her in her current state of undress. It,s a rare opportunity for people doing research.

Thanks,
Greg B.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on November 06, 2008, 02:48:06 PM
Same For #8 Current State! Are there any photos Of Her state too! =D ;D :D :D
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on November 06, 2008, 07:24:03 PM
#8 sits fully assembled in the east end our engine house. Yes, I have been to IRM and our excuse for an engine house does not hold a candle to the building IRM has that houses their active steamers. #8 is in a poorly lit quonset hut and very rarely sees the light of day.

Unfortunately we can not upgrade our facilities as we don't own the land and buildings we sit on. We are on a yearly lease. This rules out any capital improvement unlike WW&F who is making great progress on their car barn and has plans to put in a turntable and roundhouse.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on November 25, 2008, 12:16:16 AM
We are hoping to send the boiler to Alna this Saturday pending boom truck availability. This means that #7's boiler is going to be right next to the WW&F mainline. We are thinking of sending the chassis up along with the rest of the parts that have been removed so that everything can be reassembled and tested before return to MNGR.

Speaking of testing. Word has it that there are plans to eventually build a spur to this location. This means that #7 could then have access to a 2+ mile "test track". Could be fun if more 'testing' could be done in front of a large audience with real paying customers.

Sounds like an interesting proposition. Anyone want to build a spur?
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on November 25, 2008, 01:09:42 AM
I do! But im to far away but if I lived in Maine then I would have come down and help you! :)
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on November 26, 2008, 05:14:03 AM
I do! But im to far away but if I lived in Maine then I would have come down and help you! :)

I hear airfare is quite cheap durring the work weekends (pre-and-post seasons. ;) )
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on November 27, 2008, 01:35:14 AM
Cool I did not know that there was a airline service called WW&F Airlines! LOL!   :D :D :o :D :D
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Vincent "Lightning" LeRow on November 27, 2008, 02:08:06 AM
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Sounds like an interesting proposition. Anyone want to build a spur?

Count me in!!!  I'd love to be there to see #7 come alive and travel on the beautiful WW&F mainline.

Basides, it gives me another excuse to drive up that way... ::)
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on November 30, 2008, 02:57:47 PM
A big step forward yesterday. Thanks to Mark Hall and his boom truck we were finally able to separate the boiler from #7. It took some last minute work with the cutting torch to cut a few more hidden bolts but then it came free and rose into the air. This morning it is scheduled to be on its way up to Alna where it will reside while Brian and Jason work on it. You will also see some of us up there at times to work on finishing removing tube ends and help put in new tubes.

Lots of pictures were taken yesterday and we hope to have some posted on NERail in the next few days.

We are very fortunate to have Jason and Brian work on one of our most beloved assets. It is certainly now in good hands.

Hans
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Glenn Christensen on November 30, 2008, 06:17:02 PM
That's GREAT news Hans!

Best Regards,
Glenn
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on November 30, 2008, 08:06:17 PM
More up to date news: The boiler is now scheduled to arrive in Alna tomorrow (Monday, December 1)
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on December 02, 2008, 08:16:47 PM
Glad to see #7 will be worked on at Alna. More folks will get to see it there. As General Electric's old slogan used to go:
"Progress is our most important product".

Richard Symmes
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on December 08, 2008, 07:38:14 PM
Currently everyone who has been working on #7 is now crewing for Polar Express. In the mean time, the building is being erected around the boiler now at Alna. Once that is up and we have access to electricity, oxygen and acetylene, then we can finish grinding and burning tube ends. Maybe we will even get some heat but I won't hold my breath (just turn up the torch higher).

So much torch work has been done this summer that my hands don't know the difference between a torch head and the throttle in #4.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on March 02, 2009, 07:09:18 PM
Work on #7 is now back underway. Polar Express took all of us a lot of hours but it was a success. Now it's into the winter work season with spring hopefully not too far away.

The boiler is resting comfortably inside a garage on Brian's property a mile north of Cross Road. All the tube ends have been removed from the smoke box sheet and half have been removed from the fire box sheet. This process takes quite a bit of grinding and burning in order to grind off the weld then heat and punch the tube end out.

This week Jason and Brian will cut out the firebox side and crown sheets. It will be interesting to see how the water legs look after this is done. Next hurdles will be to obtain new metal and then determine how we will get flexi-stays made. The smoke box will also be completely replaced as most of it is rotten.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on March 07, 2009, 09:02:10 PM
Awsome Guys. Keep up the good work.  :D
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on March 18, 2009, 06:57:41 PM
More good news in this area. All of the tube ends have been removed from the smoke box and a majority of the tubes ends have been removed from the firebox end. In parallel, the crown sheet and side sheets have started to come out. Replacement metal for the firebox and smokebox has been approved for payment and is about to be ordered.

As for staybolts, we are just starting a "Buy a Staybolt" campaign. A $100 donation buys a new staybolt. We need 42 of the flexi-stay type. You can send you donations to MNGRR at 58 Fore Street, Portland, ME 04101.
Title: B&SR 7 Update 3/21/09
Post by: Bill Piche on March 24, 2009, 02:01:35 AM
MNGRR Steam Team
Special Report
B&SR 7 Boiler Work Status
March 21, 2009


By Hans Brandes

Out of sight, but not out of mind

Last fall we saw B&SR 7’s boiler travel from MNGRR, to its temporary home in Alna. There, work will continue by both volunteers and hired labor (Brian Fanslau and Jason LaMontagne dba Maine Locomotive and Machine Co.). I am happy to report that the boiler is in a good place and work has been moving forward. Following is the news as I sit next to the woodstove writing this report after another of many days spent up at Alna.

The Shop
B&SR 7’s boiler is resting comfortably in a structure built especially to house the boiler and do this project. The structure is on Brian Fanslau’s property. Though a simple structure, the boiler’s home has a cement floor, barn doors, vertical wood sides and a roof that does not leak. It is equipped with electricity, a work light, oxygen and acetylene tanks, hoses and a torch. Access is convenient in that you can back your truck right up to the door, unload tools and go right to work. The boiler is up on blocks allowing access to the firebox from underneath. What more could anyone want? OK, you do have to bring your own grinder, disks, work clothes and appropriate safety equipment, but hey, a pretty good setup.

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BS&R #7 boiler with smoke box removed sits inside the shop at Alna. (Photo by Hans Brandes)

The Tubes
When the boiler left MNGRR, all 131 tubes had been removed but only about half of the tube ends in the smoke box had been removed. So this was the next job to be accomplished. It is not easy to remove tube ends. On the smoke box end, some tubes are welded, but most are rolled and beaded. It’s a different story on the firebox end. All the tubes are welded. Every welded tube end must have the weld ground down using a grinder. It must be done carefully to remove the weld connecting the tube and the tube sheet avoiding gouging the sheet. Once welds have been ground down, the tube end is heated up using the oxyacetylene torch. This must also be done with care to avoid distorting the sheet. Once the tube end is red hot, it is hammered out with a special punch that was made by our volunteer Bob Comeau. The tube comes out easy or hard depending on how thorough the end was ground.  As of today, after my sixth trip to Alna, the last of the 262 tube ends have been removed by yours truly.
 
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Hans Brandes heating a tube end for removal. (Photo by Donna Mitchelson)

The Smoke Box
Two weeks ago Brian and Jason began working on the boiler. When the boiler was separated from the chassis, it had to be cut away. This was done as the bottom third of the smoke box was rotten (ash is very corrosive) and would need to be replaced. Once up at Alna, a further assessment was made and it was decided to cut off the rest of the smoke box due to additional rot, thinned smoke box ring bolts, etc. and install a whole new one. This is a good decision as it will give #7 a clean looking smoke box with no weld seams indicating patches.
 
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The old smoke box removed from the boiler sits out side the shop in Alna. (Photo by Hans Brandes)

The Fire Box
Based on ultrasound tests, it was determined that the crown sheet and side sheets down to the cab floor level would have to be removed in order to obtain a goal of a 150 PSI maximum operating pressure. Two weeks ago, Brian and Jason started cutting out the crown and side sheets. As the sheets were cut out, the true condition of the metal could be seen. As the calculations showed, the sheets had indeed thinned due to years of fire. In addition, the stays holding these sheets have corroded to various degrees due to mineral in the water. Doing this replacement now will give #7 its next fifteen years of life.
 
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The side and crown sheets have been removed. Four rows of rigid stay bolts remain to be cut off. (Photo by Hans Brandes)

The Next Steps
Steel plate is going to get ordered this week. Once that arrives, it can be installed. Volunteer labor can be used to drill out the old stay bolts. We are also working on finding a way to get access to a CNC lathe to make the stay bolts. This will save some money. Once those are made, they can be installed. The new smoke box will go on, inspections will be done and a hydrostatic test performed. Though there are additional tasks, this is the basic summary of the boiler work portion of this project.

The Money
As many of you know, we have very limited funds for this project. After paying for asbestos removal, tubes for the boiler and plate for smoke box and fire box, we still need to buy material for new rigid and flexible stays, pay for labor to weld the firebox and smoke box and have inspections done that are necessary to make #7 FRA Form 4 compliant. This gets the boiler work done but there is more. We will need to buy insulation, new glass and additional plumbing fittings as may be required to put it all back together. We currently have approximately $6,500 left in our Restricted Fund. We need to raise more to ensure that we can finish this project. When the money runs out, the work stops and material can not be ordered and paid for. So with that challenge, we are kicking of a Buy a Stay bolt Campaign. A $100 contribution buys a stay bolt for #7 and gets us that much closer to completion. There are 42 stay bolts, so our goal is $4,200. That is not enough to complete the project, but it keeps us going for awhile. Please send your contributions to the museum at 58 Fore Street, Portland, Maine 04101. State that this is for a stay bolt for #7.

Closing
This pretty much sums it up for the boiler. There is a whole lot of other work that needs to be done on the chassis back in Portland. This too will require additional funding in order to complete the job.
When will we be done? That is a good question that does not have an answer at this time. Until we are done removing parts and taking things apart, we will continue to be in the ‘discovery’s stage. That means not everything will be known until this is done. Like everything else, it is a function of time and money. Though we have done much to date, we have a long way to go and a lot more hard work ahead of us.


Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Bill Sample on March 24, 2009, 05:03:00 PM
I appreciate the updates on this project.  Bill, your report was excellent.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Bill Piche on March 24, 2009, 05:27:45 PM
I appreciate the updates on this project.  Bill, your report was excellent.

Thank Hans. He's the one who has been writing the reports.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Bill Sample on March 26, 2009, 03:55:09 AM
Well then, Thanks, Hans!
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on April 01, 2009, 06:34:49 PM
So far, its been Jason, Brian and myself who have been working on the boiler. Last weekend more side stays were cut out. The three of us met and agreed that most of the door sheet has to be replaced as there is quite a bit of pitting and there are thin spots over the top of the sheet.

The upper part of the smokebox tube sheet also will need to be replaced. In addition the two flue stays that run the length of the boiler are also too thin to keep. There is also a portion of the barrel along the bottom behind the smokebox sheet that has to be cut out.  This should be just about it for the replacement list.

Next on the list to do is to finish cutting off the stays from the inside. Then all the insides of the outer sheets need to be ground so that we can drill out the remaining stay bolts stubs that are still welded into the outer sheets. Then we will needle scale the inside.

This week the new sheet metal is being ordered. Next for materials will be round bar for side and flexi stays. We are hoping that someone who has access to a CNC lathe will donate some time. We think we have someone.

So, progress continues to be made, though we have a long way to go. As mentioned above, please consider buying a staybolt as this project is not fully funded. Should funds run out, we will have to put down our torches and grinders until funds can be raised. Let's not let that happen!
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on April 04, 2009, 12:12:40 PM
More work continued this week. Half of the door sheet has been cut out. The rest of it could be gone by Sunday. Then comes the long process of grinding down the bolt ends that are in the outer sheets so that they can be drilled out to make way for the new ones. Though I don't have an exact count, the are about 140 stays that hold the firebox in place.

The new metal has been ordered and paid for. It should be arriving in a few weeks. It will be good to get done with the tearing apart phase and start working on the putting together phase.

Our biggest unknown right now is funding. Although we are making steady progress, we may at some point, have to put down our torch and tools before we are done if we can not raise the rest of what is required to finish the job. Somewhere in the vicinity of $15 - $20,000 should do it.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on April 17, 2009, 06:47:02 PM
The last piece of the firebox being removed has been cut out. More work to be accomplished this weekend. Plan is to burn off the remaining 20 stays then continue to grind staybolt ends so that they can be drilled out of the outer sheet. This requires grinding on both sides of the outer sheet.

We also have some parts coming up so that everything is on site when it is time to hydro the boiler. This includes the dry pipe, throttle valve, wishbones and steam dome cover. Hopefully the WW&F train will be running tomorrow so that we can hear the whistle blow!
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on April 18, 2009, 11:33:43 PM
Awsome work on my favorite Maine 2 footer. Hope to see more of her progress soon. Keep it up.  ;) :) ;D 8)
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on April 20, 2009, 03:09:26 AM
Another weekend in Alna has come and gone. Three of us worked on the boiler on Saturday. Bill Piche and friend Krista joined me for more grinding and torching. The last 20 staybolts that held part of the door sheet were torched off. This left the last piece of torch work inside the firebox...torching off the ends in the overhead. This is not fun as you are now working with a torch overhead and have to watch out for dropping slag. Not a good situation. Most of the ends got done but the oxygen tank ran out.

On the outside, Bill and Krista were able to grind all the staybolt ends on the sides. Today (Sunday) was grinding more staybolt ends on the inside. As of the end of today, half of the staybolts ends are now ground on both sides and are ready to be drilled. Another quarter have one side ground down. This leaves about 26 ends in the overhead that have to be ground on both sides.

There is about 8 manhours of grinding left to do, then it is on to needle scaling. Oh boy.

So if anyone thinks it is glorious work, it's not. It's gold old fashioned elbow grease with a grinder and a torch, hour after hour after hour, but we are getting there.

We hope the new plate metal will arrive in a week or so. This means that the new sheets can start to get formed. Still a long way to go.

Stay tuned.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on April 20, 2009, 07:14:02 AM
I know next weekend is supposed to be all or mostly track work, but could you use a hand on a grinder for an hour or two durring that time, or will you guys all be out at the EOT?
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on April 21, 2009, 01:19:34 PM
Friday I am going to take a day and shovel rock at EOT. Sunday afternoon could be more grinding.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Stephen Hussar on April 21, 2009, 01:40:43 PM
We need a small store on 218, halfway between Cross Rd and Sheepscot Mills that sells oxygen, acetylene, and grinding discs!  ;)
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on April 21, 2009, 10:14:22 PM
Or a delivery service like WB Mason except machining supplies.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: James Patten on April 21, 2009, 11:37:10 PM
Maybe the last train of the evening this weekend should make a stop at Sheepscot Mills so everyone can take a look at the boiler.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: James Patten on April 22, 2009, 01:14:38 PM
Maybe the last train of the evening this weekend should make a stop at Sheepscot Mills so everyone can take a look at the boiler.

It was pointed out to me that the boiler is on private property, and a troop of people showing up all at once would be unwelcome.  Anybody wanting to go see it would be well advised to ask permission first.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on May 03, 2009, 01:14:03 AM
Work continues. Yesterday was the assault on the crown stays on the outside of the outer sheet. These are tougher to grind down than on the inside as there is quite a bit of weld surrounding each stay end. These need to be ground flat to allow the mag drill to be set on and used.

Funny thing...while taking a break, there was a tap, tap, tapping. Ends up a woodpecker was trying out the side of the boiler. He figured out fairly quickly that this steel tree was not going to produce any bugs and moved on.

Another note, for those of you who like "piped in" music, try this recipe: Take one Boze Wave speaker, insert one iPod on its mount, aim said speaker into the boiler barrel. Instant concert hall acoustics. Now, go sit inside the firebox and enjoy!
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Keith Taylor on May 03, 2009, 04:25:41 PM
Hans, you need to try some pipe organ music on that set up!
Keith
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on May 04, 2009, 01:23:28 AM
Keith,

Great idea. Just can't be the acoustics of a steel drum.

Today was another long afternoon up at the shops of Maine Locomotive and Machine Co. The remaining crown stays were ground down. Then it was time to crawl back into the firebox. First order of business was to set the "piped in music" system up. Once done, it was time to grind more stays. Specifically, about 40 staybolt stub ends on the door sheet are all done and most of the overhead is now done too. Out of approximately 160 stays, we are down to 12 to go for grinding.

Next will then be needle scaling. The compressor is in the shop. It's just a matter of bringing up an air hose from Portland to hook up to the scaler.

We are still looking to having the chassis arrive at WW&F this fall. Current thought is that the sawmill spur will be built and we will do most reassembly up there with the heavy lifting being done down in the car barn. We also are hoping to be allowed to do some operational testing late summer of 2010 including fall track extension weekend. Imagine how the chuff will sound as #7 hauls ballast cars up the grade to get WW&F a step closer to "W8".
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: John McNamara on May 04, 2009, 02:07:11 AM
We are still looking to having the chassis arrive at WW&F this fall. Current thought is that the sawmill spur will be built and we will do most reassembly up there with the heavy lifting being done down in the car barn. We also are hoping to be allowed to do some operational testing late summer of 2010 including fall track extension weekend. Imagine how the chuff will sound as #7 hauls ballast cars up the grade to get WW&F a step closer to "W8".

Wow - this just gets more and more exciting - something for us all to look forward to! :)

-John
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on May 07, 2009, 08:14:44 PM
Yep it sure does John.  :) ;) ;D Its always fun to study and injoy seeing the MNGM in action. Keep up the outstanding work on restoring my favorite 2 foot steam enigne ever built in the world B&SR 2-4-4 #7 and soon to be restored B&SR 2-4-4 #8 and the most important thing of all, the museum itself.  :) ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on May 10, 2009, 02:16:10 PM
Friday, we reached a milestone: The last staybolt was ground down. This means that about 120 rigid staybolts have all been ground flush with the outer sheet both inside and out. Next up is needle scaling. The air compressor is on sight but needs a plug on the electrical cord. My needle scaler needs an adapter to adapt a quick disconnect fitting on the air line to the threaded fitting on the gun. Once that is done, we can start drilling out the old staybolt ends in the outer sheet.

Now that #4 is pretty much ready for the season, we will start to focus on #7's chassis in Portland and getting it ready for transport to Sheepscot Station. We haven't done nearly as much work on this so we are not totally sure what we will run into. We do know that this has been a smooth running engine so we cross our fingers that we do not have to do much other than clean up, etc. We still want to transport the chassis this fall.

We have to order more material (staybolt stock, through stay stock and some more plate). This means panhandling for more money. Our thanks to those who have already contributed to the "Buy a Staybolt" campaign. We still have a ways to go and funding is critical right now if we are to continue to make progress uninterupted. Don't let lack of funds stop this project.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on May 23, 2009, 01:58:51 AM
Today started the needle scaling chapter of this adventure. Brian's 60 year old compressor was wired and put to the test. This was his grandfathers and hadn't been in operation for quite some time so who knows what would happen.

With trepidation, the shop doors were opened, the Bose Wave set up and the needle scaler plugged in. A pull on the trigger and....yes, the needle scaler came to life. Next step, stepping into the office (aka, the inside of the firebox area) to start scaling. There is quite a bit of scale in the inside of the outer sheet but the scaler was able to chew it away slowly but surely. This job, like others, requires hearing, eye and breathing protection. The nice thing is that you don't have to burning yourself as could happen when using the torch. Other than that, this is going to take a while. A quick calculation comes up with about 40 hours to do the side sheets, overhead and barrel based on what was accomplished today. Oh boy.

Come to think of it, the needle scaler can be thought of as a little brother to Big Joe Tampiere: Air powered and noisy with a mind of its own. Don't pass this on to Big Joe as he may try to wander up the main line to the Maine Locomotive and Machine Co. shop to visit his little brother under the full moon!
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on July 08, 2009, 01:30:17 AM
Speaking of visits,
I understand #7's boiler was in a parade recently! Was that before the work started  "in earnest" up there?
And how has progress been? Last update was almost two months ago!
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: James Patten on July 08, 2009, 01:51:22 AM
If you are thinking of the Boothbay parade, I'm doubting it's B&SR #7's boiler that was in the parade.  Probably the boiler belonging to Boothbay's #7.  B&SR 7's boiler cannot leave the building without major work to the building or the boiler - the steam dome is in the rafters.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on July 08, 2009, 08:03:30 AM
It may be.
The boiler in question was in a photo under annother topic in this forum.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on July 08, 2009, 06:55:17 PM
James is right on. B&SR's boiler is currently an integral part of the building it is in.

The slow, hard dirty work continues. More plate has been ordered for the front tube sheet and the door sheet. Most of the outer sheets that surround the firebox have been needle scaled. A few more hours and that will be done. Next comes driilling out the old staybolt stubs. There are quite a few of these so this will be laborious also.

Hans
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on September 29, 2009, 07:02:40 PM
Hows my favorite engine B&SR 2-4-4 #7 doing in the restoration shops?  :)
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on October 07, 2009, 06:39:31 PM
Things will pick up again once repairs to CN 7470 are complete. Brian and Jason have been over at Conway Scenic and once done there, will get on with working on #7. There has been alot of boiler activity in the past months in various places which has stretched Brian and Jason very thin. Next up is the forming of the new plate for the back of the firebox.

In parallel, there is a little more firebox needle scaling to go. A few hours and that dirty task will be done. Back in Portland, Bob Churchill has offered to work on removing the lower portion of the smokebox that is still attached to the saddle. This has to be done carefully in order not to damage the casting. Bob is very handy with a torch.

As always, the project is a function of money. Send money and we can go faster.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on November 07, 2009, 04:11:33 PM
Well, after a month or so, the "two days" of repairs on CN 7470 are over. This means that activity will pick back up on #7. In fact, it already has! The good news is that needle scaling is almost done. We are down to about half of the area over where the crown sheet was. That is the good news. Doing this dirty work revealed quite a bit of pitting in the side sheet areaaround where the staybolts were cut off. One option was to drill out the old staybolts but this would mean holes that would be excessively large requiring additional metal and labor. So, we have elected to go to Plan B: cutting out the side sheets and part of the backhead. Only the areas (the flat areas) will be cut out in order not to get into the radiused corners. This is more efficient and will avoid potential problems in the future. As they say, better to work on the patient while it is on the operating table then have to bring him back in later on.

In parallel, during our November 21st worksession in Portland, we will be removing the remainder of the smoke box that is attached to the saddle. This is delicate surgery in order not to damage the saddle casting due to heat from removingn the remaining plate of the smoke box. 

We'll get some pictures out once this is done as this should be the last of the discovery/removal work. Soon we will start putting in new metal...a good feeling.

We are still hopeful of bringing the chassis up to Alna in the spring but are a long way from that as that will require further discussion between WW&F and MNGRR.

Stay tuned and as always...feel free to donate to this worthy cause.

Hans
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on January 20, 2010, 07:25:11 PM
Now that Polar Express is over and the holidays are behind us, we will start getting back to working on #4 and #7. We have generated a combined steam work list and have plenty to do both in Portland and in Alna. Work at Alna has progressed. The door sheet and side sheets are now gone all the way down to the mud ring. Next we have to remove the mud ring rivets, remove the turret and needle scale the inside of the barrel. Once we have new plate, we will be able to lay out and drill stay bolt holes. The list goes on and hopefully we will have the manpower to make significant progress.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on February 01, 2010, 07:29:50 PM
We are now on the move with working on #7. At Alna, we worked in 15 degree temperatures to remove the turret assembly and start removing mud ring rivets. There are about 70 rivets, so this will take a little while.

Needle scaling the inside of the barrel is also under way. So far, 10% of this has been completed.

Lots to do and a long way to go, but we will keep chipping away at this.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on February 09, 2010, 07:22:39 PM
Last Saturday was another cold one. Another 1/3 of the barrel was needle scaled so it is now almost half way there.

Removing mud ring rivets is proving to be a challenge. Small air hammers and drills are not up to the challenge. Next we are going to try a larger, more powerful drill to drill pilot holes and a larger air hammer to pound them out. This could take many hours to do.

We now have all the sketches for the rigid and flexible stays and are sourcing them out to shops to see who can make stays at a reasonable price. We are close to a decision on this. Remember, we have no shop facilities in Portland (WW&F was very smart to build a real shop) so this is our Achilles heel for this project. Any shop work has to be done either in volunteer's homes or sourced to someone who has the tooling. So we need to constantly be creative to overcome our shortcomings.

Also during the past week, Jason and Brian worked on drilling out old rigid stay ends in the overhead.  This is the only area where we are not replacing plate.

It's all cold, dirty, noisy work but it sure is an education on the anatomy of a steam engine.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Mike Fox on February 10, 2010, 02:03:46 AM
C'mon Hans. I thought I showed you how to get those rivets out. Actually, the rivets you and I worked on are nothing compared to those mud ring ones. Good luck.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on February 17, 2010, 02:44:21 AM
Mike,

These are rivets on steriods; 3/4" diameter and 2-3" long.

We are making good progress in other areas:

- Almost half way on needle scaling the barrel
- Old smokebox ring now being removed
- Rigid stay ends in the overhead cut out
- All half couplings being removed (mud ring plugs, etc.)
- Plate for the new firebox has arrived
- Rod for making stays is on order and scheduled to arrive in a couple of weeks.

Hans
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on February 25, 2010, 12:46:48 AM
More progress at the work session in Portland:

- The compressor has been removed from the frame. It will go to a volunteer's shop in Massachusetts for a rebuild.
- Round bar will arrive soon and will go to a shop in New Hampshire who will make the flexi and rigid stays.
- The rest of the old smoke box has been removed from the saddle.

Next up: the chassis will be steam cleaned and the saddle needle scaled, amongst other things. In Alna, we have more rivets to remove, part of a barrel to needle scale and part of an old smoke box to needle scale. The plate for the firebox needs to have hole locations laid out and then drilled with a magnetic drill that we have yet to purchase.

It certainly is a challenge rebuilding a locomotive with no shop or shop machines. WW&F can be very thankful for the shop and facilities that it has.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Glenn Christensen on February 25, 2010, 03:39:54 AM
Thanks for keeping us updated Hans!

Best Regards,
Glenn
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on March 21, 2010, 04:01:59 PM
We continue to make great progress in Alna.

- We have new metal all over the place! The crown sheet pieces have been formed and are sitting in the shop. The side plates for the firebox have been gridded and punched and are ready to be drilled.

- The barrel is now 80% needle scaled, so we are on the home stretch there.

- The new plate for the upper half of the front tube sheet has been cut and is ready to put in. Once that is in, the diagonal stays will be put in to support it.

- The round bar for the rigid and flexi stays went to Massachusetts last week. This week it will go to the machine shop in New Hampshire.

- We will get back to work on rivet removal next.

In Portland, we are on hold until we fix the engine house roof. That is scheduled to be worked on March 27. Let's hope for good weaather and good attendance as this is an all volunteer effort.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on April 13, 2010, 06:35:26 PM
In Alna: We continue to be full steam ahead on boiler work. Needle scaling was completed by yours truly last Sunday. Thankfully, that dirty job is done. ML&M Co. is moving right along too. New side sheets (lower half) have been drilled and are tacked in place. The upper half of the front tube sheet is also tacked in place. Holes are drilled for the firebox side sheets.

In Portland: Not so good here. We took inventory of burnt tools and other things. The insurance adjuster is supposed to come on Friday to look at #7. The tender tank does not look good as it was next to the hottest part of the fire.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Bill Piche on April 13, 2010, 11:44:04 PM
In Alna: We continue to be full steam ahead on boiler work. Needle scaling was completed by yours truly last Sunday. Thankfully, that dirty job is done. ML&M Co. is moving right along too. New side sheets (lower half) have been drilled and are tacked in place. The upper half of the front tube sheet is also tacked in place. Holes are drilled for the firebox side sheets.


Pictures of this fine work can be seen in the MNGRR forum: http://forum.mngrr.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=20 (http://forum.mngrr.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=20).
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on April 22, 2010, 05:24:25 AM
 :) ;) :D ;D Great work guy's. Cant wait to see her steaming again. Keep the restoration full steam ahead.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on December 05, 2010, 03:04:03 PM
Another great day for the engine house and for #7. In attendance were Rick Knight, Bob Comeau, Joe Monty, Patrick Fitzgerald, Rich Currie and myself. We split up into teams to work on a number of projects. Joe got out the torch and worked on preparing to take the tender tank off of #7. Rich and Patrick worked on power washing the chassis to get rid of the dirt, rust and everything else. They worked for hours on this using a power washer with degreaser solution. The results were great and the chassis is not rid of grit and dirt and ready for further cleaning.

Bob worked on putting up trim on the land side all. This is all done. The only trim left now is on two corners and the door flanges. Rick and Hans worked on building more shelves. Last week we had build one 12' long shelf. This week we build three more. We were able to get these up much fastering using an air gun and air from the new compressor. The new compresser worked flawlessly and made putting up shelves a quick job. As soon as a shelf was finished, we took things off of the floor and put them up out of the way. Notable things that went up were cab doors for #4, smoke box screens, buckets of parts. The shelves are now full of a who's who of steam engine parts.

By early afternoon, Joe, with Bob's help had cut along to the point where we were ready to try and lift the tank off of the frame. Remember, the tank was closest to the fire and we were able to recover insurance money to pay to have a new one built. After lunch, we got the bucket loader out and put a track cart on the iron. Time was of the essence as we had to tie up the main line and Polar Express would be under way in an hour. We quickly got #7 out on the main line and with loader and chains, we prepared to lift the tank off. Fortunately, the bucket was just high enough that we could get the tank off on put onto the cart. We then quickly got #7 and the cart back into the yard before Polar Express trip 1 got underway.

After the tank was off and #7 was back on the house track, we pressure washed where the tank was. We will have to replace the steel plates that were under the tank as the are partially rusted. This is not a big job as this is thin plate that can be cut out and new plate welded in; all something that we can do.

So another strong step forward for both the engine house and now for #7. Our next work session will be on Saturday, December 11. We are hoping that the boiler people are going to show up to work on #4. This will determine if we have any steam for Polar Express or not. It would be a morale booster if we did. Results will determine where we focus our efforts, short term. Regardless, come on down, look at all that has been done and lend a hand.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Stephen Hussar on December 05, 2010, 06:54:12 PM
Thanks for the report, Hans!

Will be thinking positive thoughts for No 4!
 
Stephen
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on December 06, 2010, 12:23:51 AM
Pictures from yesterday's work session where we removed the tender tank from #7
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on December 23, 2010, 02:50:13 AM
Nice. Keep up the good work on her. :D
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on February 20, 2011, 02:12:04 AM
Any news on B&SR #7's restoration?  ??? ::) :)
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on February 20, 2011, 02:26:59 AM
Hi Matt,

You can get weekly updates on #7's progress at MNGRR's forum. Here's the Feb. 2011 thread:
http://forum.mngrr.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=209
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on April 03, 2011, 10:05:15 PM
All,

We continue to make significant progress on B&SR 7. We have worked every Saturday on this project. Though we still have a lot to do, much progress has been made with lots of new steel in place. Here is our report for yesterday.

http://forum.mngrr.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=214
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Mike Fox on April 04, 2011, 01:10:20 AM
Thanks Hans.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Mike Fox on April 10, 2011, 12:28:56 AM
Took a quick trip to MNGRR this morning. Got to see the new tank up close. Amazing work.  Can't wait to see it going down the rails again.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Bill Piche on July 20, 2011, 10:04:05 PM
Lot of work going on this summer at the MNG since this was last updated.

Please check out the last of the posts on our old forum:
Steam Team: http://forum.mngrr.org/viewforum.php?f=1
Track Work: http://forum.mngrr.org/viewforum.php?f=4

Also, please check out the reports posted on the new MNG website:
Steam: http://www.mainenarrowgauge.org/category/steam-2/
Track: http://www.mainenarrowgauge.org/category/track/
Title: MNG Lands Grant
Post by: Glenn Christensen on August 19, 2011, 06:00:53 PM
Good news for the restoration of B&SR #7!

http://www.pressherald.com/news/Maine-Narrow-Guage-RR-lands-grant.html (http://www.pressherald.com/news/Maine-Narrow-Guage-RR-lands-grant.html)


Best Regards,
Glenn
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Bill Piche on September 27, 2011, 08:32:12 PM
Hey Guys how is #7 going on the restoration

Restoration is going well.

A lot of our recent energies have been put towards improving our facilities (moving the Meade car next to the engine house, installing a lift for car inspection, etc.), but headway is being made on #7 as manpower allows.

The tank is 90% riveted and various bits and pieces have been going on for test fitting. The deck and cab sites are still a work in progress, but are coming along nicely. The cab roof has been sanded down and primed.

More info can be found on the website in the news section. Be sure to check regularly.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Kevin Madore on November 11, 2011, 07:46:00 PM
On October 29th, I took a run up to Portland in hopes of getting to see #4 run again....it's been a while.  Unfortunately, the snowstorm the night before prevented some of the steam guys from making it up there that day, so the train had to be pulled by the diesel.   A member of the train crew was kind enough to take me back into the engine house, and I had a look at the progress on #7.   A lot of work has been done on the tank and cab and she's coming along very nicely.   Wish I could have taken some pictures, but as most of you know....it's a tight fit in there.   :)

The visit got me thinking about just how long it has been since I've seen the 7 run.   I started digging into my old collection of prints and found a few shots from the 2003 "Steamfest".   The old film images didn't look all that fantastic, but I wondered what I might be able to do with them with a little Photoshop.   I had digital copies of these images on CD, but had never done anything with them.   Sooooo...with a few tweaks here and there, I managed to "save" an old photo of #7 with a freight train and sneak it past the Screeners on RailPictures.

Anyone remember this scene?   http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=380633&nseq=0

/Kevin
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Steve Smith on November 15, 2011, 05:57:18 AM
Kevin, what a superb picture! Thanks for posting it.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Matthew Gustafson on August 31, 2012, 08:11:41 PM
How is the work going on #7. Its been awhile since we heard an update.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 31, 2012, 10:19:25 PM
I think the tender is mostly done, not sure about the boiler.  True, there hasn't been much chatter about #7 lately.  Probably because everyone is busy keeping the regular locomotives in service this Summer and have not had time to work on the engine.  Someone on the NMG steam crew may add a bit more. 

B&SR #7's rebuild may be on the back burner but it's not forgotten.  Just look at this thread, it's the most read item on the forum with over 21,000 hits.

Stewart
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hansel Fardon on September 04, 2012, 02:08:05 AM
The last time I witnessed (and helped) #7 being worked on was sept. 2011. Of coarse, #4 was jealous! So we have been busy maintaining #4 ever since. This past summer we took a break and ran #4 on certain weekends. I hope #7 can be worked on this fall though.. NOTE: next year #7 will be a centry old! (time goes by fast when your a steam locomotive!)
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Rick Knight on November 13, 2012, 05:27:09 AM
To Answer Matthew Gustafson's question of August 31, 2012. NOTHING.

A whole years worth of work has been lost on #7. To my knowledge, no recent work has been done whatsoever on #7 at the MNG. As far as I know there has been no progress on the boiler.

To all the good folks that donated to the restricted fund for #7 I say thank you and apologize for the work stoppage. There was no doubt in my mind # 7 would have been completed and running by the end of 2013. We were working well within our budget at the time, but also realized further fund raising may be necessary to finish the job primarily due to the boiler work.

Unfortunately, I can not say here what has transpired. The things that the WW&F seems to do so well, attracted volunteers, raise funding, focus on restoration, preservation appears to be temporarily absent at the MNG. In the meanwhile, I suggest that anyone considering volunteering and or donating money seriously consider the WW&F, Boothbay Railway Village, or the SR&RL group in Phillips.

For those that have donated money to the RESTRICTED fund for #7 I would certainly would want to know what has been raised, what has been spent, and what remains of the funds.

If you want to question what I have said feel free. I was a volunteer at the old Edaville, mentored by Fred Richardson at Edaville. Learned to run on #7, MNG volunteer from day one, Steam ops manager, CMO, and former board member. I have been self employed for most of my working life in the automotive machinist/restoration business.

Thanks, Rick.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Ed Delory on November 16, 2012, 06:37:52 PM
It's a shame that not a thing has been done on #7 for a year and I wish the people we put in charge would be more willing to share information with the members that can't be there. I guess the frist question is why?
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Brett Goertemoeller on November 16, 2012, 08:30:29 PM
When Rick Knight throws in the towel, and puts up a post like that, I put that right in the catigory of things that make you go Hmmmmm.  Sad to know that things are going down hill so much there.  I hope that they turn around for the sake of the collection. 
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Mike Fox on November 17, 2012, 03:10:29 AM
They had come so far on it too. Hopefully they will continue. I know there have been a lot of other priorities this year and a shortage of volunteers.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hansel Fardon on November 18, 2012, 10:36:35 PM
I herd from another volunteer yesterday that Jason is making good progress. I think when the boiler is finished, everyone will be encouraged to finish the project..
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 18, 2012, 11:37:47 PM
I'm actually not particularly involved in this project anymore.  Can't really provide any insight as to progress- but I do wish MNG the best in all their endeavors.

Jason
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Rick Knight on November 20, 2012, 01:44:19 AM
I will make a few more comments that will hopefully shine some light on what has happened at the MNG and what created the situation I find myself in.

In my experience,  one person has decided the fate of the MNG. For whatever the reason this person has forced his/her will on the organization with very little push back from the newer members and the uninformed. I could clearly see what was happening and did have the backbone to stand up for what is right. You can see where it got me!

In addition, comments made to me, "that it does not matter what is on the front of the train, you could put a horse there and people would still ride the train", "what you do in the enginehouse is no more important than the person who cleans the toilets" and to top it off "you have never done anything of value for the MNG" are disgusting at the least.

It is clear now that our weekly work sessions in the enginehouse pushing # 7 toward a 2013 operating date were not appreciated. We had the required skills, the manpower, and even worked within our budget. Even though the rebuilding of # 7 was an approved project with dedicated (restricted funds) someone had decided we should not put the effort and money into rebuilding # 7.

In my opinion, the MNG has lost it way and seems to have no connection to the dreams of the volunteers that brought the equipment to Portland and built it into what it is today. With One strong willed board member, a president with no backbone, and an inexperienced executive director this is the mess you get.

Mike fox mentions the shortage of volunteers: it should not be to difficult to figure out why, they treat volunteers like crap, especially ones who have more knowledge, experience and different ideas.

What Hansel heard was called spin, there are many other words that describe that better.

To Ed Delory: the MNG has become a "closed" group with very little "official" information getting out. In fact the volunteers can't even get in the museum because it is locked!

I was told today that the president can't understand why I am still upset. I think the above incidents lay my position out pretty well.

~Rick.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 20, 2012, 02:16:08 AM
[Moderator's Note]

I am letting this thread run, for now. For the record, I did edit both of Rick's posts - mostly for clarity and formatting to make them easier to parse.

That having been said, I'd like to re-focus the discussion to what can/should be done to move the restoration of #7 forward. I'd rather not dwell too hard on the mistakes of the past (and apparently current) administration of MNG.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Brett Goertemoeller on November 20, 2012, 05:06:35 PM
I think the answer about what can/should be done to move the restoration forward has been very well laid out by Rick.  I as well agree with Rick, I have worked with Rick before I left.  Anyone who tries to get rid of the experienced members of the steam crew is doing so at the risk of the steam locomotives, and their preservation.  A lot of us did more than just work on steam.  Mistakes of the past and current administration are what pushed a lot of us away from MNG, and are keeping a lot of us from ever going back.  When I call the Museum and talk to someone who is in charge (I will not say who on here) asking about truck sets that I know are there, and I’m met with the response of “what’s a truck set”….well, that ought to give you an idea where things are.  
  Now to get right to Ed’s question.  What should be done to move the restoration of #7 forward?  Here are a few of the easiest things that can be done.  
1.  Don’t alienate all of your experienced steam guys
2.  Don’t lie to your experienced steam guys
3.  Don’t degrade your volunteer base (or what’s left of it) by telling them that their volunteer interest isn’t valid or needed.  Everything that the organization gets for FREE is something that you don’t have to pay for and is valid (with a very few exceptions)
4.  Encourage the membership to know their bylaws and take responsibility for the organization.
5.  Put operating practices (meaning organizationally) in place that allow for the ease of operation, and allow for growth of the volunteers and the organization.   Taking a totalitarian approach does nothing but drive both tenured and prospective members and volunteers all away.
6.  The views of the membership, and the ENTIRE board have to be taken into consideration, and the president is there to listen, and to moderate.  It is his/her responsibility to think about the end goal of the organization, and not the feelings of just one person.  Now that having been said, if the group is hemorrhaging volunteers, members, and money….there is an issue.  There is a HUGE issue when it is your most senior and loyal volunteers.  That calls for some serious looks in the mirror to see what’s going on.  

Just my two cents, having been there.  I hope that they turn around for the sake of the collection.   It’s too bad that they cannot see past chest thumping and make it about the collection again.  I really hope that it turns around.  It used to be a great place to go.   Most of these questions can be answered by looking at groups like the WW&F who have really figured out how not to alienate people, and to use the abilities that people bring to the best betterment of the group.  This is the first step to getting the restoration of #7 back on track.  
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: John Kokas on November 21, 2012, 12:20:53 AM
Not having any contact with the MNG, all I can say it's a stunning rebuke and e'nuf said!  But sadly, if this is true, then the best hope for #7 would be for another organization to "lease" the engine for a period of time in exchange for finishing the rebuild.  This would most likely be the most expedicious route for its restoration and operation.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 21, 2012, 07:53:20 PM
[Moderator's Note]
I went into this topic knowing it could open a can of worms. At this point, I think that everything that needs to be said about the inner-workings of MNG has been said. Unless someone has something positive to add to that part of the conversation, I'd like us to move on.

Instead, let's focus on what we can do to get #7 running again, if anything. As for me, I hope that this apparent work stoppage and disagreement is temporary, and that MNG can move forward as a whole.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Terry Harper on November 22, 2012, 01:02:11 AM
So I guess the question that comes to mind is what is left to be done on No. 7? How close was it to completion before the work stoppage?
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Rick Knight on November 22, 2012, 03:43:02 AM
To answer Terry's question. To keep the budget affordable I was making every effort to focus on the boiler which we had farmed out to Jason and Brian. The Boiler work had been progressing steadily as they had time and we had funds. And then we had the fire which was a terrible set back. Now we had no work space and a locomotive that had been burned. The fire was the hottest just beside the firemans side of the tank. Basically everything from the floor up was damaged from the fire. As emotionally hard as it was we managed to pick through the remains of the end of the engine house saving what we could and clearing the mess. Basically the steam team took a deep breathe and dug in and rebuilt the end of the engine house into a workable space. Back to # 7. Luckily we had insurance that covered the loss of our hand tools and the tender/tank replacement. After getting the enginehouse usable we dug in on # 7 replacing all the steel from the frame up. We were in the process of duplicating the cab even to the point of test fitting the original roof. We were pushing that project forward virtually every weekend with a core group of the steam team. The boiler needs some finish welding, all the staybolts installed, and all the tubes installed. All the plumbing will need to be new. The cab needs to be finished. The new smoke box needs to be finished. I would say about a year and a halfs work with a core group of experienced steam team volunteers.  I also want to mention that the chassis/running gear of #7 is in very servicable shape. I learned on that engine at Edaville, was one of the last people to run it at Edaville and ran it at Portland, it is the "mercedes" of existing two foot engines. take my word !!!                      Rick.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on November 23, 2012, 03:59:10 PM
The real story is that we need to raise additional funds to finish the job (contractor costs have gone way up since we started the project). So at this point we can not commit funds to finish the boiler. We are on a fundraising campaign. We are looking at doing some of the boiler work back in Portland in order to close the funding gap.

#7 was not worked on very much last year as we had to focus on #4. We replaced 26 staybolts, all with volunteer labor except for the welding. This took many work sessions. Most recently, we have spent time going over #4 and everything involved with steam for Polar Express. We have had tremdous growth in steam volunteers in the past year, with many new, younger faces showing up, willing to learn. We filled our steam roster for Polar Express during one lunch period.

Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Terry Harper on November 24, 2012, 02:21:23 AM
Was the work being performed at cost plus? I am trying to understand why contractor costs would have gone way up other than the price of steel which is currently dropping.
I would of thought it would have been a straight lump sum with work considered out of scope performed at cost plus upon approval.

I looked on the website but I don't see any way to donate specificly to the the No. 7 restoration?  Is there a dedicated fund?

Thanks!



Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: James Patten on November 24, 2012, 02:35:27 AM
I received a fundraising letter today from MNG which specifies that they are now turning their sights back on #7.  The letter claims they want to raise $100,000 for the engine's 100th birthday, then states they've already raised $75,000.  So are they trying to raise another $100K or just 25K?
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hansel Fardon on November 24, 2012, 04:54:17 AM
Terry,
And others interested in donating, all the donation boxes in the museum go to general stuff (whatever needs money the most). BUT anytime the steam crew is around, there is a box on the inside doorway of the shed. I also recommend talking with a ticket agent. As James mentioned, I herd President Jerry say today he wants to raise 100k for 100 years!
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Brett Goertemoeller on November 24, 2012, 03:28:43 PM
Ok, I'm confused......another $100,000.00?  How much was in the original restricted fund?  Where did the $75,000.00 go?  Is that a number that they had on hand?  That would have bought a brand new boiler and then some.  We're getting into "full size" price ranges here, and I'm starting to get very confused.  What if I don't want a donation to go to "general stuff" and the steam crew isn't around?  I guess I have to ask the same question as Terry.  Is there a "restricted" fund for #7?  And are we getting into these prices because she now has to be part #230 compliant and have a full form 4 and 1472? 
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on November 24, 2012, 07:17:24 PM
Answers: Yes, we have spent $75,000 to date. Yes, there is a restricted fund for #7. Yes, knowing what we now know, we should have had a new boiler built. Our contractor has been working on a time and materials basis and we have had significant scope growth could not be detected until it had been taken apart. So, $100,000 is as follows: $50,000 to finish the boiler and $50,000 to reassemble the the engine. We are working on ways to possibly reduce the cost, but we have to set a target at this point based on contractor input.

Hope that answers everyone's questions. As we all know, steam is not cheap.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 25, 2012, 04:20:08 AM
Thanks Hans.

Please add me to the chorus of those who would like to donate to the #7 dedicated fund.

A PayPal link on the MNG web site is found at:
http://www.mainenarrowgauge.org/donate/ (http://www.mainenarrowgauge.org/donate/)
If one specifies #7 Fund in the notes of the donation, is that sufficient?

-Ed
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hans Brandes on November 25, 2012, 04:46:52 PM
Ed,

Yes, that is sufficient. We have a separate bank account for restricted funds. Within that account we keep categories (#7, car rebuilding, snow plow rebuilding, etc.). Everyone's donation is recorded on a spreadsheet that is used for deposits into that account. At all times we know who donated to what fund, when it occured and how much is in the account for the given project.

Thank you for your support. We have just completed our first weekend of Polar Express with great success (see this morning's Maine Sunday Telegram). #4 is doing a great job but it would be great to get #7 back on the point.

Happy Holidays,

Hans
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Steve Smith on November 25, 2012, 09:25:40 PM
Here's the link to the item Hans mentioned.

http://www.pressherald.com/news/with-magic-_2012-11-25.html
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Brett Goertemoeller on November 30, 2012, 02:38:00 AM
I wish you guys all the best raising the extra $100,000.00 for #7 and the estimated $3,000,000.00 for the move.  I hope that the costs for #7 can be rained in a little bit to help you out.  Congrats on the sucsess of the "polar express" trains, and the reported addition of all the new steam volunteers.  I honestly hope it all works out for the betterment of the collection. 
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hansel Fardon on December 29, 2012, 09:55:37 PM
I am pleased to announce that after winterizing #4 today, we switched the locomotives so that #7 is at the "west" end. This is where we work on loco's. there will be a "big push over the winter".
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Mike Fox on December 30, 2012, 01:26:27 AM
Thanks Hansel. Please update us when you can.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Colby Miles on February 26, 2013, 10:42:49 PM
There in now a Facebook Page for Engine 7.

https://www.facebook.com/BridgtonSacoRiverEngine7Rebuild

Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hansel Fardon on April 29, 2013, 11:11:25 PM
I made a quick visit yesterday and saw #7's frame was painted black and the rods looked cleaned up. The MNG crew preformed a test hydro and prepped for the real hydro in front of the FRA (which will be in the new future).
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Mike Fox on April 30, 2013, 01:49:00 AM
Test Hydro on #7??? I didn't think it was that far along. That's great.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hansel Fardon on April 30, 2013, 04:44:34 AM
Mike,
The test hydro was on #4. #7's boiler isn't in portland yet. I don't even know the progress of 7's boiler.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hansel Fardon on April 30, 2013, 04:46:33 AM
Oops! Yeah, I forgot to got "#4" in the earlier post. I didn't see anyone working on #7 this past Sunday.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Mike Fox on May 01, 2013, 03:02:22 AM
Ok. That makes more sense. Thanks
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on November 10, 2013, 11:12:32 PM
So how close have you come to raising the $100K?
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hansel Fardon on December 15, 2013, 03:35:10 AM
WANT TO HELP RAISE MONEY FOR #7 AND DRINK HOT CHOCOLATE AT THE SAME TIME?
Then I highly recommend riding The Polar Express!
Here's a video I took today!:
http://youtu.be/OwVCAl4gmyg
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: John McNamara on December 15, 2013, 04:19:42 AM
WANT TO HELP RAISE MONEY FOR #7 AND DRINK HOT CHOCOLATE AT THE SAME TIME?
Then I highly recommend riding The Polar Express!
Here's a video I took today!:
http://youtu.be/OwVCAl4gmyg
Another great Downeast Rails video! I would love to go visit, but the MNG website seem to discourage walk-ups and directs people to PortTix, which wants you to specify which day and train you want. I guess that makes some sense, as https://tickets.porttix.com/public/ (https://tickets.porttix.com/public/) shows Sunday's trains as all sold out (2:15 is cancelled).
Sorry to miss it, but glad to see that things are going well.

-John
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Bill Piche on December 16, 2013, 07:22:01 PM
WANT TO HELP RAISE MONEY FOR #7 AND DRINK HOT CHOCOLATE AT THE SAME TIME?
Then I highly recommend riding The Polar Express!
Here's a video I took today!:
http://youtu.be/OwVCAl4gmyg
Another great Downeast Rails video! I would love to go visit, but the MNG website seem to discourage walk-ups and directs people to PortTix, which wants you to specify which day and train you want. I guess that makes some sense, as https://tickets.porttix.com/public/ (https://tickets.porttix.com/public/) shows Sunday's trains as all sold out (2:15 is cancelled).
Sorry to miss it, but glad to see that things are going well.

-John

We've actually had good results with the pre-selling of tickets. Ridership on a per train basis is the best that it's been since we started doing the whole "Polar Express" thing 5 years ago, with a lot of trains sold out.

This is a lot better than we were doing with the "Santafest" trains, which seemed to have petered out with the general populace by 2007. Those were filled on an "as sold" basis, with trains running either on a departure schedule or whenever it sold out.

I started there in 2006, and they told me the difference in the Santafest crowds was night and day when they took away the track between Hancock St and Franklin St after 2005. A little bit of track goes a long way towards visibility, it seems.

One thing that I miss from the Santafest days was the addition of an open air car right behind the locomotive. Quite the brave few there were on that car, but at least there was a heater coil under the seat!
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: John McNamara on December 16, 2013, 09:25:06 PM
One thing that I miss from the Santafest days was the addition of an open air car right behind the locomotive. Quite the brave few there were on that car, but at least there was a heater coil under the seat!
Bill

If you have a chance, come to our Victorian Christmas trains on Saturday. We'll be running 103 in the consist, and we'll definitely freeze your behind! :)

-John
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Steve Klare on December 22, 2013, 12:44:29 AM
We rode it today: not bad at all!
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Bill Piche on January 21, 2014, 09:44:50 PM
Saturday the 18th saw the first work session of the new year for the MNG steam crew.

With #4's time all but up (the form 4 expires April 1st), work pushed forward on #7.

The work session saw Joe Monty, Jay Monty, Trevor Hartford, Dave Fletcher, and Donovan Gray continue work on the cab, the frame, and the tank in preparation for the return of the boiler this spring.

Jay worked on framing out the vertical supports for the cab, cutting the half box frame steel. Having the frame done will allow us to remove the cab in one piece to go into the museum. That is where other steam crew members (with assistance from the car department) will perform a large amount of carpentry on the cab, including windows, doors, and the roof in an attempt to make the new cab as much like the old (Edaville) cab was (wood on steel for a wood appearance).

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Pictured: Fireman's door frame mocked up for tack welding.

With most of the riveting done on the tank (still some work left on the engineer's side), Joe worked on making a flush patch that the tank hatch will be mounted on as the project nears completion.

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Pictured: Grinding tank-side of patch for welding.

Cleanup and painting was continued on the front end, as well. Donovan cleaned and primed the deck under the smoke box, while Dave did the same on the center support saddle.

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Pictured: Donovan painting the front end while Dave wire-wheel's the support saddle.

Next work session is on Feb 9th, with subsequent work sessions (tentatively) scheduled for Feb 22, Mar 9 (most likely to be cancelled due to PYS flower show that weekend), and Mar 22.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Mike Fox on January 22, 2014, 12:32:34 AM
Looking good, though I wonder why you framed the cab in Steel. Was it done originally like that? I know 8 was/is all steel from the builder..
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Bill Piche on January 22, 2014, 02:31:38 AM
Looking good, though I wonder why you framed the cab in Steel. Was it done originally like that? I know 8 was/is all steel from the builder..

The cab frame from Baldwin was all wood, I believe. Someone with more B&SR background will need to verify that for me, though.

The cab frame as it arrived at the museum was steel framed and trimmed in wood. I believe that it was done like that at Edaville when they re-boilered the locomotives. We have a picture in the engine house from the day that the new boiler (the one we're rebuilding now) arrived and was being lowered onto the frame. In that picture the cab is completely missing from the frame.

When we decided to remove the boiler this time, we ended up removing just the roof. The walls and floor on the fireman's side were severely burned in the fire, so it was decided to strip the cab down to the floor rails and build it back up with new steel. The only thing remaining of the Edaville cab is the roof section.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Mike Fox on January 22, 2014, 03:05:45 AM
Ok. Just wondering. I do believe new it was an all wood cab. But I understand now why you have done it this way. Thanks
Title: 2/9/14 Steam Work Session Report AND Winter Appeal Update
Post by: Bill Piche on February 13, 2014, 11:33:07 PM
Two updates in one here.

2/9/13 Work Session Report
Another productive work session occurred this week. Joe Monty, Jay Monty, Wesley Heinz, Donovan Gray, and Bill Piche braved the cold and threat of flurries to get some more work in on #7 this past Sunday.

Work this day included setting up and test-driving our new sand blaster, cab work, and more frame painting.

Santa got to his backlog finally, as we found a bunch of new toys in the museum when we arrived in the morning. Chief among them was a tabletop sand blasting cabinet. This will allow us to begin the process of cleaning all of the paint and debris off of every fitting that was in and on #7. Over the next several months, everything from 1/2" gate valves to boiler check valves will get a thorough blasting, cleaning, lapping, and packing, with the added bonus that the parts don't have to "leave the compound" to get done.

For anybody who's never heard of Harbor Freight, their tools can be somewhat....unfinished. This was certainly the case here. The air hose we originally used was too small, and as such was unable to supply the gun adequately. The new hose that we bought specifically to use with the cabinet turned out to be too big for the hole in the cabinet it was meant to go through. Luckily, there was room in the vacuum hose hole as our shop vacs both had undersized hose attachments. After changing the hose the gun wouldn't pick up the blasting medium, so Wes took the hose apart and found casting imperfections in the medium pickup. A quick punch and re-assembly and we were finally off to the races.

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Pictured: Jay Monty with a freshly sandblasted boiler check valve and a "slightly" modified cabinet.

Work continued on the cab frames as well. Joe made/welded in shims to bring of some of the posts up to their correct height, and Jay/Wes planned out the location/dimensions for the door and window frames. We plan to re-use as much of the old material that had survived the fire, but the plate glass in all of the existing hardware will need to be replaced with safety/plexi glass. Joe also too the opportunity to tack up some plates inside the half-box frames so that the roof can be bolted on rather than welded on. This will make disassembling the cab for heavy boiler work easier in the future.

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Pictured: Joe welds in box frame shims

The process of brushing/painting the frame continued. Bill worked on brushing/priming the top/rear quarter of the frame, as well as the springs, counter-weights, and reverser connecting rod. These will be ready for black paint next time there is a work session. Donovan and Wes continued where they left off the previous work session, coating the primer from the last work session with a fresh coat of black. Nothing looks nicer than a fresh coat of black paint (aside from a functioning locomotive, of course).

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Pictured: Freshly primed frame sections and fresh black paint on the support saddle.


There's still plenty of work to be done, but thanks to efforts and donations of viewers like you, we're getting closer and closer with every work session.

Winter Appeal Update
http://www.mainenarrowgauge.org/winter-fundraising-campaign/ (http://www.mainenarrowgauge.org/winter-fundraising-campaign/)

Thanks to the generosity of members and donors like YOU, we raised over $23,000 during our Winter Appeal – nearly 70% of our goal! Contracted boiler work is nearly complete in Boothbay and we are expecting delivery of the boiler to Portland in spring of 2014.  Funding is now in place to cover the next 6-12 months of project goals which include:


Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Terry Harper on February 14, 2014, 04:07:25 PM
To follow-up on the cab discussion - If the original cab was wood was any consideration given to replicating the original as-built cab as it was delivered as opposed to replicating the non-authentic Edaville cab? Seems like it would of presented a good opportunity to back-date the locomotive to achieve more historical authenticity.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Bill Piche on February 14, 2014, 07:01:41 PM
To follow-up on the cab discussion - If the original cab was wood was any consideration given to replicating the original as-built cab as it was delivered as opposed to replicating the non-authentic Edaville cab? Seems like it would of presented a good opportunity to back-date the locomotive to achieve more historical authenticity.

I believe the primary reasons were cost and available labor.

The parts that were destroyed in the fire were all vertical members, the roof section was saved because it had been relocated to another part of the yard when we took the boiler off. Replacing those was considered cheaper and easier since we already had all the tools/skills for welding, which only meant acquiring steel.

Nobody on the steam crew (both now and when the project started in 2008) are skilled carpenters; we're all welders, machinists, or laborers. The restoration crew in the museum (some of the real heroes of the collection) needs to spend a lot of time on cars, so asking them to build us a cab from the ground up would have been asking them to prioritize our (steam) needs over the museums. Without them, most of the cars that we use today wouldn't be in half as good the shape they're currently in.

While we're not re-creating the original cab, we ARE taking steps to correct some of the wrongs of the Edaville cab, too. The replacement cab had a piece of black painted plywood across the top of the boiler between the windows. We intend to fabricate a center section of the forward facing wall that will resemble the original, complete with windows. We're also doing away with Edaville's practice of welding the cab frame to the tank. This way we can separate the tank, cab, or both from the frame for work.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Joe Fox on March 02, 2015, 11:44:01 PM
I heard/read that #7 is expected to be completed by early spring. That is awesome news. Hope to keep updates on the progress, as I'm sure many of us would stop in to see her run again. It would be cool to see her pull a freight train with the tank car, box car, flanger, and caboose.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Philip Marshall on March 03, 2015, 04:02:08 AM
Early spring 2015??? That doesn't seem possible to me. From the photos I've seen on Facebook, the boiler hasn't even been mounted yet, and they're still working on the tender tank. I think we all want to have her running again soon (and a genuine B&SR freight consist with tank, flanger, and caboose would be amazing!), but I don't see that happening before 2016 at the earliest.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Bill Piche on March 03, 2015, 04:54:49 PM
That was a bit of over-exuberance on the part of one of the younger admins of the B&SR 7 facebook page. With the speed that the 7 project has gone at times over the years, you can understand his excitement.

The actual estimate for the BOILER is early spring. The firebox and mud ring are expected to be in the boiler this week. There's one more work session this coming weekend in Boothbay to ream out the mud ring holes before the boiler goes south for heat treating. It should be back a couple weeks later for rivets, stays, and tubes, which will be a combined MNG/Boothbay effort up at the Boothbay shop.

There's actually not that much left to do on the locomotive OTHER than the boiler work. The running gear wasn't taken apart, the tank's just about ready for final attachment and painting, the cab is just about finished. Most of what's left for us in Portland is little things until the boiler shows up.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: James Patten on March 03, 2015, 05:02:55 PM
You didn't check the running gear after going through fire?
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Bill Piche on March 03, 2015, 05:55:29 PM
The running gear was far enough forward in the engine house that none of the pins or rods were warped/damaged before the fire crews were able to get there. The heaviest damage to the locomotive in the fire was from the area right next to the fireman's door and further back, which is where the old paint, grease, solvent container was (it obviously didn't do it's job since it was constantly left open in those days).

You can kinda see in the picture I attached where the locomotive was relative to that container. The workbench behind it actually slowed the fire and shielded the engine for a little bit before the fire got to that, too. That survived fairly intact underneath (but still junk) so you have an idea of where the hottest fire was.

This also wasn't exactly a brick building that burned down around 7. There wasn't much material above the engine to fall and cause any significant damage that way.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Philip Marshall on March 03, 2015, 06:22:42 PM
Thanks for the clarification. It's great to see her coming along.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Joe Fox on March 04, 2015, 01:39:30 AM
Very exciting. Always nice to see an engine restored. Is the running gear oil or grease?
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Bill Piche on March 04, 2015, 01:57:50 AM
Very exciting. Always nice to see an engine restored. Is the running gear oil or grease?

Hard grease screws on the drive rod pins, and oil everywhere else.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hansel Fardon on March 05, 2015, 02:49:02 AM
That was a bit of over-exuberance on the part of one of the younger admins of the B&SR 7 facebook page.

Exactly why I ignore that page.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Bill Piche on April 06, 2015, 10:35:29 PM
For anybody who isn't on Facebook, the boiler for #7 went down to Delaware for heat treatment this week.

Here's a pic of the boiler being winched up to be put into the oven.

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Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Glenn Christensen on April 06, 2015, 10:56:57 PM
That's GREAT news about your progress restoring #7 to service, guys!

Your dogged persistance in the face of many challenges is really starting to pay off and it does you great credit!


Best Regards,
Glenn
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Roger Cole on April 07, 2015, 05:05:41 PM
Where in Delaware is that heat treatment taking place (from a former long-time Delaware resident)?
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Bill Piche on April 07, 2015, 05:24:24 PM
Where in Delaware is that heat treatment taking place (from a former long-time Delaware resident)?

Atlantic Heat Treating in Wilmington
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hansel Fardon on April 08, 2015, 01:20:50 AM
And the boiler is already on its way back to Boothbay! Scheduled to arrive tonight.

To Do:
-rivets
-stay bolts
-boiler tubes

Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hansel Fardon on October 26, 2015, 09:38:54 PM
#7 Shirts and Hoodies Now Available!

Here:
https://teespring.com/bridgton-saco-river-no-7#pid=369&cid=6512&sid=back

Limited Time Only! Available until 11/04/15.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: James Patten on April 05, 2016, 03:28:15 AM
Any news of 7?  Will it steam this year?
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hansel Fardon on April 10, 2016, 03:37:55 AM
Any news of 7?  Will it steam this year?

Realistically? No.

The plan is to move the boiler to "Sheepscot Mills" for completion. It would be possible if it was worked on every weekend, but Boothbay/ Alna is a long distance from Portland and points south.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hansel Fardon on December 14, 2016, 06:42:13 PM
2017 Steam Calendars are available for $25, 50% of profits goes to the #7 fund! If you're ready to make a purchase or reservation, please PM me. Calendars can be hand-delivered if you're attending VC this Saturday.

Thanks!
-Hansel
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Joe Fox on December 14, 2016, 08:50:10 PM
Hey Hansel,

Great to hear from you. It would be great to catch up sometime. Talk to ya soon.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hansel Fardon on January 11, 2017, 01:55:51 AM
Only 17 Fundraising Calendars Left!

To make purchases easier, I've listed them on eBay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Casco-Bay-Steam-2017-Calendar-/222374075810?hash=item33c6871da2%3Ag%3AS-QAAOSw241YdWza&_trkparms=pageci%253Aa5a01b62-d78e-11e6-88f7-74dbd180e334%257Cparentrq%253A8ac440a31590a2a203326dc6ffc3af17%257Ciid%253A1&redirect=mobile

I invested my savings into these Calendars, so each purchase is very much appreciated.

Thanks!
-Hansel
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Hansel Fardon on January 25, 2017, 10:21:29 PM
With January coming to a close, Calendars are now only $15, and 25% of profits from the remaining Calendars will go to the #7 fund!:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/222374075810?redirect=mobile

Thanks!
-Hansel
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Bill Piche on April 18, 2017, 04:55:42 AM
Progress update on #7 for those that don't follow the facebook page.

3 side sheets are done with threaded stays and the flexi-stays are 95% done. Half of the mud ring rivets went in today.

All that's left with the boiler itself is the throat sheet stays, the welded stays, the other half of the mud ring rivets, and welding on the steam dome collar. Once that all is done we can put tubes in and hydro the work.

Link to video of riveting from today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRgjk9naeAs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRgjk9naeAs)
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Bill Piche on August 14, 2017, 09:49:36 PM
For those that haven't had the opportunity of hearing in person from myself or other members of the MNG steam team via the facebook group, there have been a large number of steps forward for the B&SR 7 project.

Two weeks ago all of the tubes were loaded in the boiler, rolled, and seal welded.

Between then and last Friday the last of the rigid and flexi stays were headed over and stay caps installed on the flexis. The lower 4 rows of stays were seal welded inside the firebox on on the outside wrapper sheet.

Boiler plugs were test fit and installed on all of the openings so that the first water test can take place. The throttle and turret will be reinstalled when this is taking place.

The first test fill will be planned to take place sometime in the next week to two weeks. Once we check for any and all leaks we'll do a test hydro and place the boiler back on the frame.

Stay tuned.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Mike Fox on August 15, 2017, 01:20:21 PM
Great progress.
Title: Re: B&SR 7
Post by: Bill Piche on August 18, 2017, 07:12:47 AM
More good news!

Today water was placed in the boiler and pumped up to regular operating pressure (150 psi).

A few small leaks were found around some stays and rivets, but overall the results were very encouraging.

We're currently on track for a boiler lift sometime on or before Labor Day.