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WW&F Railway Museum Discussion => Volunteers => Topic started by: James Patten on March 15, 2020, 04:32:45 PM

Title: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: James Patten on March 15, 2020, 04:32:45 PM
Forgot to mention - at the board meeting, we did discuss 1918 Spanish Influenza Corona virus related issues (sorry, got caught up in the wrong century), and we have canceled Easter Eggspress.  Other events, such as Spring Work Weekend, will be dependent on what the situation is at the [time of the] April [WW&F BOD] meeting.

[Mod note: Clarified what "April meeting" referred to.]
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Al Michelis on March 16, 2020, 11:37:50 AM
Forgot to mention - at the board meeting, we did discuss 1918 Spanish Influenza Corona virus related issues (sorry, got caught up in the wrong century), and we have canceled Easter Eggspress.  Other events, such as Spring Work Weekend, will be dependent on what the situation is at the [time of the] April [WW&F BOD] meeting.

[Mod note: Clarified what "April meeting" referred to.]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/large-events/mass-gatherings-ready-for-covid-19.html
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on March 16, 2020, 06:24:31 PM
[Moderator's Note]
I am awaiting approval of a statement regarding the decisions made at the 3/14/2020 BOD meeting in regards to the outbreak. However, even that may now be dated information, based on the developments of the last 48 hours - including the CDC recommendation (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/large-events/mass-gatherings-ready-for-covid-19.html) "that for the next 8 weeks, organizers (whether groups or individuals) cancel or postpone in-person events that consist of 50 people or more throughout the United States."

If this CDC recommendation is adhered to, we would be looking at a Memorial Day opening weekend at the soonest.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Mike Fox on March 16, 2020, 07:33:58 PM
Things are changing quickly. Definately stay tuned for the latest.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Bob Holmes on March 16, 2020, 07:54:21 PM
Maine CDC is recommending no groups larger than 10 of high risk individuals.  That includes many of us.  The officers are reviewing again tomorrow.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on March 17, 2020, 04:54:53 PM
[Moderator's Note: This is posted on behalf of WW&F President David Buczkowski.]

Fellow Volunteers:

It is clear from what we are hearing from medical professionals, government representatives and the Maine CDC that the COVID-19 pandemic is to be taken very seriously. In response to their guidelines and recommendations we have already cancelled Easter Eggspress and all public trains until at least May 2, 2020. The Spring Work Weekend, Annual Meeting and Mothers’ Day Tea are all in serious danger of being postponed or outright cancelled. We have a responsibility to ourselves and to the public at large not to contribute to transmitting this virus. On their own initiative the weekday crew has decided to not meet as a group. In fact, most are not planning to come at all.

Therefore, until further notice, gatherings of more than five (5) people at the Museum are hereby forbidden. If you find that you need to come to the Museum you must use all precautions that have been posted elsewhere such as the use of hand sanitizer, washing your hands for at least 20 seconds, not touching your face and covering your mouth when you sneeze or cough. You should also stay at least six feet from other people. Only work on projects you can do by yourself. If you are operating heavy equipment please do not do so without a spotter.

The official Museum statement regarding our COVID-19 policy and precautions is given below. The Museum will still be there when this all winds down and we want to ensure that you are too. Thank you for your anticipated cooperation. Stay safe!

-Dave



We are all well aware of the COVID-19 (aka "Coronavirus") pandemic that is spreading. While Maine has not seen the same level of cases as some of its neighbors, the disease is continuing to spread - and may peak during some of the planned events at the WW&F. Moreover, many of our volunteers have already expressed their inability to participate, as they are at high risk of infecting themselves or others.

Therefore, the WW&F Board of Directors have elected to take the following course of action:
1. In accordance with current CDC guidelines of curtailing gatherings of 10 or more people, the April 11, 2020 Easter Eggspress is cancelled. There will be no public train service, or non-volunteer visitors allowed on the WW&F campus, until May 2nd (at the earliest.)

2. On April 11, 2020, during the scheduled BOD meeting, decisions will be made regarding:
a. Spring Work Weekend.
b. Annual Meeting.
c. Mother's Day Tea.
d. Start of scheduled Saturday train service.
e. Start of scheduled Sunday train service.

Note that it is very likely that these events will all be postponed or cancelled.

Obviously, the situation is changing rapidly, and it is impossible to predict what precautions will be asked of us in the coming weeks. That said, we will adhere to whatever the CDC recommends at that time. We are also working closely with Wiscasset Woods Lodge, who are attempting to balance their plans for our Spring Work Weekend along side the realities of this situation.

In addition, our own Dr. Bob Holmes and Emergency Paramedic Jay Barta have made several recommendations regarding day-to-day activities (volunteers) as they interact at Sheepscot. These recommendations were adopted at the 3/14/2020 BOD meeting (and subsequently revised), and are summarized below.

Campus Wide:

Volunteers:

The railroad will still be at Sheepscot long after this global crisis passes. The real world isn’t supposed to invade Sheepscot but it does now and again. In the meanwhile, be safe, and we will be all stronger together - through the tireless efforts of our members, volunteers, friends, and supporters.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on March 17, 2020, 08:30:24 PM
[Moderator's Note]
A discussion regarding the ramifications of cancelling the Spring Work Weekend was split from this topic, and can be found at:
http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3639.msg45377.html (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3639.msg45377.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on March 18, 2020, 08:05:15 PM
Due to the COVID-19 (coronavirus) outbreak, Wiscasset Woods Lodge will be CLOSED during the Spring Work Weekend. All extra activities have been cancelled. Those with reservations will be contacted by the Lodge for a refund.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 18, 2020, 08:08:01 PM
Contacted and refund received. These folks are on the ball.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Mike Fox on March 31, 2020, 05:33:46 PM
The Govenor of Maine has now issued a stay at home order for the entire state. Only essential travel allowed. Effective April 2nd thru April 30th.

The stay at home order does not apply to construction, health care or other essential services.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Fred Morse on March 31, 2020, 06:26:17 PM
Is splitting wood or helping Brendan on the car barn constructive. Brendan said a lot of car just rode in around the place yesterday. They say you can exercise by walking. Would it be O.K. to walk to the wood splitter with wood? Anyone got an answer? Fred
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on March 31, 2020, 06:32:54 PM
My understanding of the order is that non-essential travel is banned.
The only ones who should be at the RR starting on Thursday are those who live on-site (or can walk there.)

Splitting wood (or exercising) at home is fine; driving somewhere to do those activities is not.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Fred Morse on March 31, 2020, 07:15:48 PM
I hate it when people use logic.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Al Michelis on April 01, 2020, 11:29:26 AM
Damn, I needed to get out.  Who are all of these out of state cars wandering around?
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Mike Fox on April 01, 2020, 12:11:37 PM
They are fleeing the larger cities to come to their summer home where there is less chance for them to catch it. Unfortunately for us, this opens the potential for them to carry it with them.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on April 01, 2020, 01:13:55 PM
Same out here with the Parisians but as long as they comply with the lockdown measures it's OK.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on April 01, 2020, 05:32:56 PM
Let's hope they self quarantine for 14 days, if they are doing what Mike suggests.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Mike Fox on April 01, 2020, 06:00:49 PM
We are all supposed to be on the honor system. It is for our own good. I myself think the stay at home order is a bit much, but know it is because there were still those moving about freely doing what they had always done instead of changing what they do and how they do it for the sake of good health..
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Bob Holmes on April 01, 2020, 06:52:30 PM
I'm guessing that if the out of staters are frightened enough to come to Maine, they are probably more willing than not to self-quarantine.

BTW, I'm mostly a Maine resident, but still have PA plates, so there can be legit reasons for my car to be out getting groceries (for example)
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on April 02, 2020, 04:30:14 PM
I live on the lower end of MA by CT and we have been told by state and local police to stay at home except for absolute necessities. You would be amazed (or not) at what so many folks feel is a necessity. Fortunately MA has implemented guidelines and the local and state police have no qualms about pulling over folks on the highway if the vehicle plates indicate out of state or ignorant behavior. BTW, CT and NH feel the same way and are doing the same thing.

Safety and good health for all is a great plan. Hopefully we can get past this health problem and get back to more normal living sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: James Patten on April 02, 2020, 05:51:23 PM
Maine has implemented guidelines for our Stay at Home order.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Dana Deering on April 14, 2020, 10:19:52 AM
I hope that somehow we can take this opportunity to get some much needed track work done on the mainline. So to clarify, no one who doesn’t live within walking distance of the museum can be there?  Or are there exceptions? 
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on April 14, 2020, 11:02:57 AM
Yes, mainline maintenance is one (and the major one at that) opportunity that this crisis presents. For details on what is planned, and how this decision was made, please refer to the Operations Comittee report in the 4/11/2020 BOD Meeting:
http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3671.msg45769.html#msg45769 (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3671.msg45769.html#msg45769)
IIRC, it was adopted as written, by a 7-1 vote.

As far as who can and can not be at Sheepscot at the present time, that is determined by Maine's stay-at-home order, currently set to expire on May 1st. For details, see:
https://www.maine.gov/governor/mills/news/governor-mills-issues-stay-healthy-home-mandate-2020-03-31 (https://www.maine.gov/governor/mills/news/governor-mills-issues-stay-healthy-home-mandate-2020-03-31)
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: James Patten on April 14, 2020, 11:44:48 AM
One of the stay-at-home order exceptions is exercise.  I can think of no better exercise than track work by yourself.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Graham Buxton on April 14, 2020, 12:40:32 PM


As far as who can and can not be at Sheepscot at the present time, that is determined by Maine's stay-at-home order, currently set to expire on May 1st. For details, see:
https://www.maine.gov/governor/mills/news/governor-mills-issues-stay-healthy-home-mandate-2020-03-31 (https://www.maine.gov/governor/mills/news/governor-mills-issues-stay-healthy-home-mandate-2020-03-31)
Now if the WW&F was using horses (stabled at the WW&F) to do track maintenance, then traveling there by vehicle to care for the horses would be acceptable!   8) ;D

From the Governor's order:
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Essential personal activities include the following with relation to an individual, their family, household members, pets, or livestock:
  • Providing care, including transportation, of oneself, a family member, friend, pet or livestock in another household or location for essential health and safety activities and to obtain necessary supplies and services.
  • https://www.maine.gov/governor/mills/news/governor-mills-issues-stay-healthy-home-mandate-2020-03-31 (https://www.maine.gov/governor/mills/news/governor-mills-issues-stay-healthy-home-mandate-2020-03-31)


Hmmm ... ... steam locomotives are iron horses, no?  :-X

.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Dana Deering on April 14, 2020, 02:22:05 PM
What if I ride a horse to the museum?  It’s walking distance (easy for me to say) for the horse...😉
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Fred Morse on April 14, 2020, 03:16:36 PM
Just driving over to work on the car barn. You might decide to keep your distance and do track work.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Mike Fox on April 14, 2020, 05:35:01 PM
And now the Govenor has extended the Emergency Declaration until May 15th. Nothing has changed. No gatherings larger than 10 people, and keep your social distance. Still allowed to work on construction projects, and maintenance and upkeep.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on April 14, 2020, 06:08:04 PM
While the Emergency Declaration has been extended, the stay-at-home order is still set to expire on April 30th. The extension of the Emergency Declaration gives the Governor the ability to also extend the stay-at-home order, if she deems it necessary.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on April 14, 2020, 06:12:49 PM
[Moderator's note]
A public announcement regarding the COVID-19 Mitigation Plan and the 2020 Operating Season can be found at:
http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3674.0.html (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3674.0.html)

WW&F Museum Members can get the backstory at:
http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3671.msg45769.html#msg45769 (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3671.msg45769.html#msg45769)

Also, this thread is for volunteer-related discussions. The other thread is for public train operations. (A subtle, but important distinction since volunteer activities will resume much sooner than public train operations.)
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Mike Fox on April 28, 2020, 06:20:57 AM
It sounds like today Governor Mills will be extending the stay at home order for Maine to some degree.. Stay tuned..
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: John Kokas on April 28, 2020, 09:35:12 AM
Well, as long as they keep extending the isolation orders, I'll just keep on sending donations from all the gas I'm saving by not driving.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on April 28, 2020, 03:49:38 PM
The "Stay Safer At Home" order is in effect until May 31st. In short, it is basically an extension of the existing order, with some relaxations.
- Gatherings of more than 10 people are prohibited.
- Those travelling to Maine from other states are to self-quarantine for 14 days.
- At risk individuals should take special precautions.
- Businesses may open not based on whether or not they are essential, but if they can do so within the guidelines.
- Most State parks are open and other outdoor recreation is permitted.

Copied from a news site:
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Beginning May 1st, Stage 1 continues the prohibition on gatherings of more than 10 people, the quarantine of all people entering or returning to Maine for a period of 14 days, and the special precautions for older Mainers and others at risk of COVID-19. It calls for people who are able to work from home to continue to do so, including State employees. It will also newly require that Maine people wear cloth face coverings in public settings where physical distancing measures are difficult to maintain, and continue strict requirements for long-term care facilities. Guidance on cloth face coverings will be issued in the coming days. Stage 1 also allows for the limited expansion of certain business, religious, and quality of life activities, with appropriate safety precautions.

These include:
  • Health care from Maine-licensed providers, with recommendations that they prioritize care for patients with time-sensitive conditions; assure the safety of patients, staff, and communities; manage the use of essential resources such as personal protective equipment and testing supplies; and pace re-opening services to the level of community COVID-19 activity, maintaining capacity in our hospitals for potential outbreaks
  • Personal services: Barber shops, hair salons, and pet grooming
  • Limited drive-in, stay-in-your-vehicle religious services
  • Drive-in movie theaters
  • Outdoor recreation: guided outdoor activities (hunting & fishing) and restricted use of golf and disc golf courses
  • State parks, state-owned public land trails, and historic sites; although certain coastal state parks will remain closed
  • Auto dealerships and car washes

Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Bob Holmes on April 28, 2020, 07:32:13 PM
Equally important to us are her Stage 2 and Stage 3 relaxation guidelines.  Please study them and let's discuss the implications.

I applaud her careful, measured approach for Maine, as compared to (in my view) reckless steps being taken in other states.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Mike Fox on April 28, 2020, 07:51:18 PM
I agree Bob. Open things up too quickly and it may enable the spread of the virus again.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Rick Rowlands on April 28, 2020, 11:56:40 PM
According to the data that I have been following, currently 0.073% of Maine residents have Covid-19 (972).  0.0038% of Maine residents have died (51).   The number of new cases per day is on a downward trajectory.

In comparison, 155 people died in auto accidents in Maine in 2019, three times the death toll of Covid-19.

I am getting similar numbers for Ohio, although Maine overall has a lower chance of dying than we do in Ohio (1 in 26,000 chance vs. our 1 in 16,000 chance). 

At some point someone has to start counting the economic effects, the increased suicides, increased domestic violence, child molestation etc. and realize that in their zeal to save a few more lives at the front end, we will be losing far more at the back end.   Unfortunately our modern society and media does not reward people for making rational risk/benefit analyses any more.  At this point I am far more concerned with those unseen back end effects.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Mike Fox on April 29, 2020, 06:20:35 AM
I don't think we have been able to lock in on any uphill or downhill here in Maine. The new cases per day remain fluctuating, and the death rate is steady at about 2 per day. The effects from this will be felt a very long time. I am considered essential so I am still working, but this is going to effect next years income because the money usually spent on infrastructure repair will be less due to the loss of revenue in gas tax. But, not much I can do except keep working..
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: James Patten on April 29, 2020, 06:57:50 AM
I think there's been plenty of examples of how to deal with the pandemic across the world.  New Zealand and Sweden are two extreme examples.  Before the next time comes, I hope the various analysts will have crunched the numbers and come up with a good solution for the next time.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on April 29, 2020, 09:42:36 AM
Equally important to us are her Stage 2 and Stage 3 relaxation guidelines.  Please study them and let's discuss the implications.

The operations committee has studied the stage 2 & 3 guidelines and is formulating a service plan (still starting on August 8) that will meet those guidelines, as well as "scale up" as they are relaxed. Details are still being worked out.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Al Michelis on April 30, 2020, 09:50:14 AM
Just in case you missed it, face coverings, a.k.a. masks are required in public starting May 1.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Roger Cole on April 30, 2020, 11:31:34 AM
Who was that masked man?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG3BfKDG6Y8
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on April 30, 2020, 01:56:17 PM
face coverings, a.k.a. masks are required in public starting May 1.

Face masks are only required in situations where "social distancing" is not possible. (Ie: within 6ft of someone in a confined space.)
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Bob Holmes on April 30, 2020, 03:11:12 PM
Further guidelines specify wearing face masks in such places as grocery stores, retail stores, pharmacies and health care facilities.  Also outdoor spaces such as playgrounds, congested parking lots, lines for take-out, bus stops and waiting areas and all forms of public transportation.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Bill Baskerville on May 13, 2020, 04:46:59 PM
Today at the museum a number of people were working at many locations. Stewart was painting on the car barn, Llnda was doing archives, Phil was has been working on car wheel bearings. the Rest were doing track work at Mikes culvert repair lead by Jason. Seems like old times. We are all keeping our distance from One another.

Fred,  I really appreciate your update.  Hearing about the limited projects being carefully worked on makes me long to be up there helping..... Perhaps later in the summer....
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Fred Morse on May 13, 2020, 06:23:52 PM
I wish you were here. You would fit in great!
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on May 13, 2020, 07:04:10 PM
FWIW, I was just reviewing Maine's COVID guidelines. All out of state individuals remain subject to a 14-day quarantine upon their arrival in Maine. And, said quarantine is currently "envisioned" to be in effect through August.

No information/clarification/exception is given regarding visitors who have quarantined in a neighboring home state for 14-days (or longer,) and wish to enter Maine for a day-trip or vacation.  Note that this is subject to a penalty of up to six months in jail and a $1,000 fine.

A 10-person limit to all gatherings is also still a part of the order currently in effect. It currently appears that will be increased to 50 people on June 1.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Mike Fox on May 13, 2020, 09:57:01 PM
According to their original guidelines, anyone who enters the state must quarantine for 14 days. It does not matter if you have quarantined in another state, you still have to do it here.

But, with no way to track who is where, it is on the honor system. But someone can come from a hot spot within the state and have no limitations.

If you are sick, stay home. If you have been around someone who has been sick, stay home. If you have or are around someone with a compromized immune system, stay home. Simple.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on May 13, 2020, 10:08:40 PM
with no way to track who is where, it is on the honor system.

I wouldn't call the executive order that includes a penalty of a $1000 fine and up to 6 months in jail something of an "honor system." I only saw that clause later today, and it is giving me consideration to pause my personal plans for interstate travel.

Meanwhile, my wife travels into Maine nearly daily for her work.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: John McNamara on May 13, 2020, 10:18:31 PM
I wonder how, as an outa-statah (from toxic Massachusetts no less), I can obey this. Evidently quarantining in Maine is the only place that counts, and how do I get there? I think the only thing I can do is to drive to my camp with a cooler full of food and stay there for 14 days, periodically visiting take-out places when I have emptied my cooler. Receipts from those places plus the Fast Lane records might possibly be records of my virtuous behavior. Then I could visit the museum and avoid any group of more a few people.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Bill Baskerville on May 13, 2020, 10:21:28 PM
Ed, Thanks for the update on the Maine rules.  It will be interesting to see the clarification on the 14 day rule.  Speculation now for late July/August is somewhat irrelevant at this time as changes are difficult to foresee.  In my case, living in a senior living community, we have been required to be self quarantined on campus for the past 28 days.  As of yesterday we are requested to still stay on campus and limit our outside activities and always wear our mask and maintain social distancing both and off campus.  There are additional requirements should we travel out of town/state.  This is a very unusual time for all of us.  My earlier comment was simply to express my longing for being with my Maine friends and help with my favorite railroad.  I live for the forum and Face Book posts.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: James Patten on May 14, 2020, 06:46:09 AM
John, the 14-day quarantine allows you to go to the store to get supplies, but you shouldn't go out for a Sunday drive or a hike on a trail during it, just stay on your property.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Mike Fox on May 14, 2020, 07:11:42 AM
with no way to track who is where, it is on the honor system.

I wouldn't call the executive order that includes a penalty of a $1000 fine and up to 6 months in jail something of an "honor system." I only saw that clause later today, and it is giving me consideration to pause my personal plans for interstate travel.

Meanwhile, my wife travels into Maine nearly daily for her work.
It is what I call the honor system. There is no way to track anyone coming and going in the state. The only way I can see to get that fine is to tell them when you arrived. So if you self quarantine, you have honored the guidelines.

I see daily license plates that are not locals, and hope they, if here to stay, have followed the guidelines. Short day trips for essentials (work, shopping) do not require quarantine. No b&b, hotels, campgrounds, etc..

Here is an article on it that explains it fairly well.

https://bangordailynews.com/2020/05/14/news/state/questions-about-the-14-day-travel-quarantine-answered/ (https://bangordailynews.com/2020/05/14/news/state/questions-about-the-14-day-travel-quarantine-answered/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on May 14, 2020, 09:25:31 AM
Thanks Mike for that link. It does clear up a few things.

Also reference the official documents:
https://www.maine.gov/governor/mills/sites/maine.gov.governor.mills/files/inline-files/EO%2034.pdf (https://www.maine.gov/governor/mills/sites/maine.gov.governor.mills/files/inline-files/EO%2034.pdf)
https://www.maine.gov/dhhs/mecdc/infectious-disease/epi/airborne/documents/Public-COVID19-FAQ-8May2020.pdf (https://www.maine.gov/dhhs/mecdc/infectious-disease/epi/airborne/documents/Public-COVID19-FAQ-8May2020.pdf)


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I wonder how, as an outa-statah (from toxic Massachusetts no less), I can obey this. Evidently quarantining in Maine is the only place that counts, and how do I get there? I think the only thing I can do is to drive to my camp with a cooler full of food and stay there for 14 days, periodically visiting take-out places when I have emptied my cooler.
No, that is not allowed. Someone from out-of-state who is quarantining (in Maine) must not leave the house.

From the official FAQ:
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It is mandated that all out-of-state travelers coming into Maine, as well as Maine residents returning to Maine,
complete a 14-day quarantine upon arrival.
This means:
• You need to arrive with enough food for 14 days or arrange to have food delivered to you. You cannot go out to grocery stores.
• Stay at home. You cannot go out to public places.
• Avoid contact with others, especially those who are at high risk of severe COVID-19 illness.
• Keep a distance of at least 6 feet from other people.
• If you are sick, wear a mask that covers your nose and mouth.


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Short day trips for essentials (work, shopping) do not require quarantine.
To clarify, this applies only to Maine residents or visitors who have completed the quarantine (and stay within the state of Maine.)

Also, here is another section of the FAQ:
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I live in Maine but must cross the state border for work. Do I have to quarantine?
There is no order to quarantine for people who make short trips back and forth across the border for work. Travel should be limited to essential trips.
This is not the same as travel to visit Maine or return from a long-term winter stay in another state, which does require a quarantine upon arrival.

I have to go to a medical appointment out of state. Do I have to quarantine upon return?
If you go directly to the medical appointment and back to Maine, you are not required to quarantine under the Executive Order.
If you go anywhere else while out of state you will need to quarantine upon your return to Maine for 14 days.


That all said, I am not advocating one way or the other how an individual should interpret these orders. I also am not commenting on the enforceablity of these orders. I am simply stating what the orders actually say (along with official clarification statements) so that WW&F Volunteers can make informed decisions.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Al Michelis on May 14, 2020, 10:59:54 AM
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If you are sick, stay home. If you have been around someone who has been sick, stay home. If you have or are around someone with a compromised immune system, stay home. Simple.

Damn it, I was looking forward to getting away from here other than to a store.

Does the gathering of 10 people include the entire campus or just groups on the campus?
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Post by: Ed Lecuyer on May 14, 2020, 11:06:26 AM
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Does the gathering of 10 people include the entire campus or just groups on the campus?

I can not find any official information in the Maine COVID-19 web site that explicitly determines this one way or the other.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Benjamin Richards on May 14, 2020, 11:28:48 AM
Maybe things are deliberately vague for a reason. "The letter of the law" is not what keeps people safe.  There's nothing magical about state borders, or 14 days, or 10 people, or 50 people, or 6 feet. But they have to pick a number.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Mike Fox on May 14, 2020, 12:12:52 PM
I'd like to see all our volunteers again some day, so hoping everyone pulls through this fine. We don't need to take chances and infect anyone, or get infected ourself. As one of our regular volunteers said, the museum will be there when this mess is over.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Bill Baskerville on May 14, 2020, 12:25:30 PM
Thanks to all for their various clarifications.  I, like Mike, wish everyone to stay safe, and plan on doing my part.  Now I am trying to adjust my expectations and control my mourning for a late July/August Sheepscot reunion and work sessions.  I suspect things will remain in continual flux for a much long time than most of us hoped for and desired.

Everyone stay safe.....
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on May 29, 2020, 03:03:34 PM

(https://giftshop.wwfry.org/uploads/1/2/7/5/127500296/s651317049172484381_p388_i1_w878.jpeg)
 (https://giftshop.wwfry.org/product/black-face-masks/388?cs=true)

Official WW&F Face masks are now available for purchase through our gift shop. Cindy has been keeping the shop open for online/mail-order purchases.

Get your mask (and other supplies) at:
https://giftshop.wwfry.org/product/black-face-masks/388?cs=true (https://giftshop.wwfry.org/product/black-face-masks/388?cs=true)
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Al Michelis on May 29, 2020, 04:16:04 PM
I just ordered mine.  Perfect, as the ones I use now don't fit right (or is that left?) uh, correctly.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Bill Baskerville on May 29, 2020, 04:37:13 PM
Way to go Cindy.... Well Done!
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Stephen Lennox on May 29, 2020, 05:14:25 PM
Nice job Cindy. This particular logo would also make a great T-shirt.

Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on May 29, 2020, 05:51:10 PM
The on-line gift shop has never closed through everything that has been happening in the last 6 months.   Even when the freight house was being remodeled, the mail order crew operated out of a boxcar. (It seemed like most of the time, items that were sold were on the bottom of a stack of stuff.)
On-line/mail orders have provided the WW&F with vital income each month while the normal sources dried up.

BTW - Cindy should get the credit for designing the graphic on the mask.  As of 6pm tonight, about 32 have already been sold.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Bob Holmes on May 29, 2020, 07:35:48 PM
Oh, I want one!  I can't safely join the core weekday crew right now, and I miss you all big time.  But I will order the mask.

Bob
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Wayne Laepple on May 29, 2020, 08:40:48 PM
A T-shirt -- yes, please! With a pocket, if you please.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on May 29, 2020, 10:05:23 PM
A T-shirt -- yes, please! With a pocket, if you please.

TWO VOTES!!
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Bill Baskerville on May 29, 2020, 10:14:03 PM
Black tee shirt, no pocket please
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Wayne Laepple on May 29, 2020, 10:15:40 PM
Please. Not black. Too hot in the summer! Can we compromise with gray?
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on May 29, 2020, 10:22:02 PM
The gift shop already stocks gray pocket WW&F T shirts in long and short sleeve.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on May 29, 2020, 10:44:45 PM
I bought two today. One became an anniversary gift for my bride...
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: John McNamara on May 29, 2020, 11:29:48 PM
Please. Not black. Too hot in the summer! Can we compromise with gray?
Black was chosen because it doesn't show the sweat stains ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Bill Baskerville on May 30, 2020, 11:51:42 AM
Please. Not black. Too hot in the summer! Can we compromise with gray?
I wear my WW&F apparel at other times in the year, and at home.  It is my humble way to show support for the Museum and advertise our favorite railway.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on May 31, 2020, 08:05:40 PM
All,

On May 29, 2020 Governor Mills issued Executive Order No. 55 FY 19/20. As of June 1 gatherings have been increased from 10 to 50.

What does this mean for the WW&F Railway? As of tomorrow up to 50 volunteers at a time from Maine or who have quarantined in Maine for 14 days or longer will be allowed to come to the railroad. If you decide to come you will be expected to social distance and to wear a mask where appropriate. (Plug - the gift shop has WW&F masks available for a very reasonable $15.00). Meals will not be served so you will be on your own.

For all of our sakes, please take your temperature before you leave for the railroad. If it is above normal, please stay home. Also, if you feel sick, have a cough, are sneezing or have lost your sense of smell, again, please stay home. Please remember many of our volunteers fall into high risk categories. Think of them if not yourself. Use your common sense!

We have an immediate need to ballast parts of the Mountain Extension where the track has suffered sun kinking. We would like to start ballast trains now that Mike has repaired the culverts. The crack weekday crew along with James and his Saturday crew have laid out ties, spiked and ballasted the track over the repairs so ballast trains should be able to start running this coming Saturday.

I know we are all anxious to gather at Sheepscot but let’s remember to do this responsibly.

Finally, we still plan to open to the public on August 8. Much needs to be done to prepare for the public. We’ve been working hard to plan for the opening.

Thanks for your anticipated cooperation.

Dave Buczkowski
President
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Bill Baskerville on May 31, 2020, 10:35:10 PM
Dave,

Thank you for the prompt update.  Our Mainer'rs should be able to really start fixing up our roadbed so we will be ready to operate in August.  As an out-of-stater, I am awaiting the relaxing of the 14-day quarantine order.

Everyone stay safe.....
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on June 01, 2020, 09:26:30 AM
 Good news Dave. Outhere as of tomorrow you can freely move about in France  but  gathering is still limited to ten people, which is not really an hinderance for AMTP whose museum reopens Sundays in June. As regards public transportation  accommodations in trains are still  limited to 50% of the capacity for the time being but things  should be come back to normal as of June 22nd. So AMTP trains will run again in July, diesel powered trains of course because the harvest will be on then.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Al Michelis on June 01, 2020, 11:51:58 AM
I received my masks today - really like them.  I will not soil it by working at the RR while wearing it.  I have others that I don't care about.  See you all soon.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: James Patten on June 03, 2020, 02:48:11 PM
As an FYI to everyone - Boothbay Railway Village is sitting this season out: https://www.boothbayregister.com/article/brv-closed-season-not-opportunity/134608 (https://www.boothbayregister.com/article/brv-closed-season-not-opportunity/134608)
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: John Kokas on June 03, 2020, 05:10:41 PM
With Boothbay being closed, could this be an opportunity for us to "borrow" one or more passenger cars for special events later this year ?????
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Bill Baskerville on June 03, 2020, 10:43:26 PM
I received my mask yesterday and the quality is really good.  Well Done Cindy!
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on June 08, 2020, 02:37:56 PM
Changes are being implemented today (6/8) regarding the 14-day quarantine requirement. In short, residents of New Hampshire and Vermont are now exempt from the mandatory 14-day quarantine. Residents of other states may take a COVID-19 test up to 72 hours before travelling into Maine.

Here is the relevant part of today's statement:

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Testing as an Alternative to Quarantine:
The State will allow adults who obtain and receive a negative COVID-19 test no later than 72 hours prior to arrival forgo the 14-day quarantine upon arrival in Maine. This test indicates that, even when coming from areas with a higher prevalence of the disease than Maine%u2019s, such individuals are unlikely to have COVID-19 and to spread it to Maine residents and other visitors. Maine is strongly urging visitors to %u201CKnow Before You Go,%u201D meaning they should get tested and receive their test results in their home state before traveling to Maine, which will allow them to take appropriate action depending on the result. Individuals may be tested upon arrival in Maine as well, but they must quarantine while awaiting the results.

Additionally, the State will exempt residents of New Hampshire and Vermont from the testing and 14-day quarantine requirement altogether because, when adjusted for population, the prevalence of active cases of COVID-19 in these states is similar to that in Maine. There is no other state with as low a prevalence of COVID-19 within a 12 hour drive. Meanwhile, the prevalence of the virus in states like Massachusetts, New York, and New Jersey %u2013 where nearly half of Maine%u2019s tourists historically originate %u2013 is eight to eleven times higher than the population-adjusted cases in Maine. This exemption is effective immediately for travel and effective June 12th for stays in lodging establishments. The State will continue to evaluate possible additional exemptions based on trends in other states.

People who are not residents of Maine, New Hampshire or Vermont and are visiting Maine will be asked to sign a Certificate of Compliance indicating either that they have received a negative COVID-19 test result, that they will quarantine in Maine for 14 days, or that they have already completed their quarantine in Maine. This compliance form must be provided to check-in at all Maine lodging, campgrounds, seasonal rentals, overnight camps, and other commercial lodging, such as Airbnb. Visitors may be asked to furnish proof of the negative test result upon request. It will become effective July 1 (Stage 3) when lodging establishments may begin serving residents outside of Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont. The Department of Economic and Community Development, in conjunction with the Department of Health and Human Services, has prepared a draft form for public feedback and will finalize it in the coming week. Signing a compliance form in order to stay in lodging establishments is also a policy employed by both the states of New Hampshire and Vermont.

The entire new policy, for those interested, can be found at:
https://www.maine.gov/covid19/restartingmaine/keepmainehealthy
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Bill Baskerville on June 08, 2020, 05:31:40 PM
There may be hope for outsiders to come and work on the Ry in July after all.  One can hope....
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on June 08, 2020, 05:49:14 PM
Better than hope, "outsiders" CAN come!
The only catch is that you have to pass a COVID test 72 hours before your trip.

There were rumors regarding passing COVID test in lieu of quarantine floating around last week, but the (common sense) allowance for NH & VT residents was not mentioned. As such, I scheduled and took a COVID test on Sunday. It wasn't exactly pleasant, and I probably put my self in greater risk by having one (by going inside a medical facility), but it is doable. Not every testing location will do tests for folks who are not showing symptoms - so that took some investigating. I was shooting for a "drive up" location, but the one I went to still required you to go inside to take the test (and be screened for symptoms/vital signs.)

I'll let others debate the legality and/or enforceablity of these measures; I am just glad that I can visit Sheepscot again.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Mike Fox on June 08, 2020, 07:53:28 PM
See you Saturday Ed..
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Wayne Laepple on June 08, 2020, 08:02:01 PM
In this corner of Pennsylvania, one must have a referral from a doctor to get a test.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: John McNamara on June 08, 2020, 09:24:18 PM
I researched testing near me, and most required doctor approval. The only one that didn't required you to be symptomatic.  ::)
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on June 08, 2020, 09:40:26 PM
See you Saturday Ed..

Absolutely. And (this) Wednesday too.

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As far as testing, supposedly you can also get the test upon your arrival in Maine - but then quarantine until receiving the results. My results came back in about 24 hours.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: John Kokas on June 09, 2020, 08:55:59 AM
So where would this "incoming" testing being done?  Like Wayne, I have to have a Dr.'s referral and they are too busy to deal with the "what if" folks.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on June 09, 2020, 09:21:20 AM
Maine claims they have the resources to expand testing.

That said, anyone driving in via New Hampshire could probably stop here and get tested. I used a walk-in clinic in Epping, NH, which is not far from the I-95 tolls in Hampton. I booked an appointment online several days in advance, and it went relatively smoothly.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Dana Deering on June 09, 2020, 02:48:34 PM
I read in the paper that this new reduced restriction takes effect on Friday 6/12.  Was that incorrect?

Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Dana Deering on June 09, 2020, 02:55:18 PM
Never mind.  The reduced travel restriction starts immediately for NH and VT folks.  If you are going to need commercial lodging you have to wait until Friday 6/12.  This according to the State Website.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on June 09, 2020, 03:38:58 PM
Yes, the news reports were/are confusing. The entry ban for NH/VT residents was immediately lifted, but no lodging until Friday. I guess they want to get a couple of extra days of $6 tolls at the boarder.  :P
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Kevin Madore on June 09, 2020, 09:43:47 PM
Better than hope, "outsiders" CAN come!
The only catch is that you have to pass a COVID test 72 hours before your trip.

There were rumors regarding passing COVID test in lieu of quarantine floating around last week, but the (common sense) allowance for NH & VT residents was not mentioned. As such, I scheduled and took a COVID test on Sunday. It wasn't exactly pleasant, and I probably put my self in greater risk by having one (by going inside a medical facility), but it is doable. Not every testing location will do tests for folks who are not showing symptoms - so that took some investigating. I was shooting for a "drive up" location, but the one I went to still required you to go inside to take the test (and be screened for symptoms/vital signs.)

I'll let others debate the legality and/or enforceablity of these measures; I am just glad that I can visit Sheepscot again.

No hope for me.  I am from Massachusetts, although I could hit a 3 iron to the NH border.   Outside of grocery store visits (which REQUIRE a mask here), I've essentially been quarantined since March 10th.   I'm surprised that a person cannot sign a declaration of such in lieu of having to hole up someplace in Maine for 2 weeks, or get a test.

And OBTW, the tests can be meaningless as well.   It just means you probably didn't have the disease the day they swabbed you.    You could be positive the next morning, and that's the reality of it.

The real bottom line is that people have to do the right thing and be careful.   Unfortunately, if the way they drive is indicative of how careful most people are, it means the rest of us have to be even MORE careful.

Interestingly, there are no similar requirements to enter NH from MA, and lots of MA border dwellers go up there to save on sales taxes.   That doesn't seem to have resulted in a massive infection rate in Southern NH.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Paul Crabb on June 09, 2020, 10:36:25 PM
What is the status of dining establishments in Maine? Here in RI they have had outdoor dining for a couple of weeks and just this week can have indoor dining at 50% capacity
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Fred Morse on June 10, 2020, 05:20:56 AM
You can go right inside SHIP'S CHOW HALL or now called HOT SPOT. Same persons cooking food.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Mike Fox on June 10, 2020, 06:28:48 AM
In Maine, they are basing restrictions by location. The higher populated counties of York, Cumberland, Androscoggin and Piscataquis have heavier restrictions than the rest, due to the higher risks there. Which is why the quarantine order is still in effect for those hailing from states with higher populations and more cases.

Resturaunts in the mentioned counties are still closed, unless they have curbside, a drive up window, or outside dining.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: James Patten on July 01, 2020, 06:47:03 PM
Announced today: visitors from New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut do not need to quarantine to visit Maine.  This joins with visitors from New Hampshire and Vermont.

All other (including the New England states of Massachusetts and Rhode Island) still are supposed to quarantine for 14 days upon arrival, or take a Covid test up to 72 hours beforehand.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 01, 2020, 07:19:00 PM
Announced today: visitors from New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut do not need to quarantine to visit Maine.  This joins with visitors from New Hampshire and Vermont.

All other (including the New England states of Massachusetts and Rhode Island) still are supposed to quarantine for 14 days upon arrival, or take a Covid test up to 72 hours beforehand.

Has this announcement been formally posted online?  I don't see it at what I thought is Maine's official COVID-19 portal https://www.maine.gov/covid19/ or in a quick news media search.

Thanks James.   
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Kevin Kierstead on July 01, 2020, 07:25:33 PM
I guess the governor still resents that Maine was part of Massachusetts originally! ha, ha, ha!
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 01, 2020, 08:04:21 PM
What about Pennsylvania and Virginia?
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Bill Piche on July 01, 2020, 08:05:45 PM
What about Pennsylvania and Virginia?
14 days in the hole upon arrival or a less than 72 hours old passed Covid test in hand, most likely.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 01, 2020, 08:23:22 PM
Here is the news release:
https://www.maine.gov/governor/mills/news/improving-public-health-metrics-mills-administration-exempts-connecticut-new-york-and-new (https://www.maine.gov/governor/mills/news/improving-public-health-metrics-mills-administration-exempts-connecticut-new-york-and-new)

It also includes:
1. Stronger enforcement of Face Mask use.
2. Information where visitors (outside of NH, VT, NY, CT, and NJ) can get testing upon arrival in Maine.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Paul Crabb on July 01, 2020, 10:41:05 PM
We Mass and RI residents should claim unfair discrimination as both states are doing well in dealing with COVID-19
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Paul Crabb on July 01, 2020, 10:53:31 PM
Ed the news release allows you to find a testing site using a zip code (your home zip code) not Maine locations. All the testing sites in RI still require a doctor's screening before getting tested.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 01, 2020, 11:05:27 PM
According to:
https://www.maine.gov/dhhs/mecdc/infectious-disease/epi/airborne/documents/MEDHHS_StandingOrder_COVID19testing_06-08-2020.pdf (https://www.maine.gov/dhhs/mecdc/infectious-disease/epi/airborne/documents/MEDHHS_StandingOrder_COVID19testing_06-08-2020.pdf)

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Persons who do not have symptoms or known exposure to COVID-19 infection but have elevated risk for exposure as determined by the Maine Department of Health and Human Services (“Department”). These individuals include, though are not limited to, seasonal and migrant agricultural workers, employees of lodging facilities, employees of businesses who have direct, daily contact with members of the public, visitors from states with a COVID19 prevalence higher than that in Maine, people participating in large gatherings, or other individuals who may be at increased risk of COVID-19 based on the duration and density of their recent, potential exposures.
(emphasis mine.)

So any testing center found at:
https://get-tested-covid19.org/search?zip=04535 (https://get-tested-covid19.org/search?zip=04535)
That claims "Testing available to people at elevated risk, even without symptoms" should be able to process a test for anyone from MA or RI (or PA, etc.)

There are many places that will do this in Maine, including ConvenientMD Urgent Care (which is who I went to in NH), CVS Pharmacy, and Walgreens.

Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Bill Piche on July 01, 2020, 11:09:48 PM
According to:
https://www.maine.gov/dhhs/mecdc/infectious-disease/epi/airborne/documents/MEDHHS_StandingOrder_COVID19testing_06-08-2020.pdf (https://www.maine.gov/dhhs/mecdc/infectious-disease/epi/airborne/documents/MEDHHS_StandingOrder_COVID19testing_06-08-2020.pdf)

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Persons who do not have symptoms or known exposure to COVID-19 infection but have elevated risk for exposure as determined by the Maine Department of Health and Human Services (“Department”). These individuals include, though are not limited to, seasonal and migrant agricultural workers, employees of lodging facilities, employees of businesses who have direct, daily contact with members of the public, visitors from states with a COVID19 prevalence higher than that in Maine, people participating in large gatherings, or other individuals who may be at increased risk of COVID-19 based on the duration and density of their recent, potential exposures.
(emphasis mine.)

So any testing center found at:
https://get-tested-covid19.org/search?zip=04535 (https://get-tested-covid19.org/search?zip=04535)
That claims "Testing available to people at elevated risk, even without symptoms" should be able to process a test for anyone from MA or RI (or PA, etc.)

There are many places that will do this in Maine, including ConvenientMD Urgent Care (which is who I went to in NH), CVS Pharmacy, and Walgreens.

What was the turnaround time for your results, Ed?
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 01, 2020, 11:18:05 PM
What was the turnaround time for your results, Ed?
Less than 24 hours.

Also from CVS Pharmacy link on https://get-tested-covid19.org/search?zip=04535 (https://get-tested-covid19.org/search?zip=04535)
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Patients will make appointments on our website: https://www.cvs.com/minuteclinic/covid-19-testing. Individuals qualifying for testing under Sections II B of the Maine DHHS Standing Order will need to select “Yes” to the screening question: “Have you been instructed to get testing by your state, health department or medical professional?”

By putting these two pieces together, anyone from MA, RI, PA, etc., can visit:
https://www.cvs.com/minuteclinic/covid-19-testing (https://www.cvs.com/minuteclinic/covid-19-testing)
And truthfully answer “Yes” to the screening question: “Have you been instructed to get testing by your state, health department or medical professional?” to receive a COVID-19 test in their home state.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Richard Cavalloro on July 02, 2020, 08:16:13 AM
RI is doing better than Ct, whats up with that???

Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Bob Holmes on July 02, 2020, 09:02:03 AM
FYI, a big concern for Maine is the behavior of summer visitors.  Driving by Red's the other day, the line was long, packed together (no distancing) and no masks.  Almost as bad across the street at Sprague's.  It's going to be a challenge.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 02, 2020, 12:29:03 PM
So where did all the people at Red's/Sprague's come from? NH & VT? I suspect that many of them are from other parts of Maine. I think a bigger challenge is getting people to comply within a state. Ohio is beginning to find this out as there was the largest jump in infections in two months just yesterday.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 02, 2020, 12:42:40 PM
As best as I can tell, many out-of-state visitors are simply ignoring the quarantine mandates. I've talked to several folks that have made day trips into Maine, and are simply staying out-of-state (in NH or MA). Placing the burden of enforcing a mandate on lodge owners is (in my opinion) not workable.
Title: Re: COVID-19 (aka "coronavirus") and the WW&F...
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 02, 2020, 01:27:09 PM
This past hour Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker announced MA will start phase 3 of the commonwealth's reopening plan on Monday.

https://www.mass.gov/info-details/reopening-massachusetts

During Q&A after the announcement, Baker was asked why Maine has lifted its 14-day quarantine for CT, NY and NJ residents but not MA.  Baker said he planned to give Gov. Mills a call about it later today.  I don't expect he'll push the issue much, though.  With the phase 3 reopening announcement today, the speakers all highlighted the many parks, museums, outdoor dining and other venues that can be enjoyed here at home.  No need to encourage MA residents to visit ME or elsewhere.
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Post by: John Kokas on July 02, 2020, 02:48:23 PM
Would be nice if Gov. Mills would give Gov. Wolf a call.  PA has been lower in cases and deaths than either NY or NJ.
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Post by: Bob Holmes on July 02, 2020, 07:57:32 PM
Just FYI, most of the license plates I saw were from Massachusetts and New York.  Let's not try to underestimate the problem...
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Post by: Bob Holmes on July 02, 2020, 08:03:14 PM
Totally agree with Ed.  Most out-of-state visitors are completely ignoring state guidelines.  They are treating Maine as a vacation playground where the rules don't apply to them.  Guarantee we will see an upsurge in cases and deaths in the following weeks.

For us, that means that we have to strictly require and enforce our visitor restrictions as already outlined.  I would urge that masks be mandatory as well.

Do we have a plan if a visitor refuses to comply?  How do we enforce it?

Bob
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Post by: Kevin Madore on July 02, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
This past hour Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker announced MA will start phase 3 of the commonwealth's reopening plan on Monday.

https://www.mass.gov/info-details/reopening-massachusetts

During Q&A after the announcement, Baker was asked why Maine has lifted its 14-day quarantine for CT, NY and NJ residents but not MA.  Baker said he planned to give Gov. Mills a call about it later today.  I don't expect he'll push the issue much, though.  With the phase 3 reopening announcement today, the speakers all highlighted the many parks, museums, outdoor dining and other venues that can be enjoyed here at home.  No need to encourage MA residents to visit ME or elsewhere.

I saw that news conference and it was interesting to see Gov. Baker's reaction to the question.  I think he felt that the Maine Governor's position was rather odd, given that as of last week, Massachusetts had the lowest infection rate in the nation.

Unfortunately, some of the stuff I see on the news from other parts of the country tell me that there are still a lot of folks who just don't "get it" with regard to the seriousness of this deal.  Sadly, some of those folks are elected officials.....or at least, they are for the moment.  :) 
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Post by: Bill Reidy on July 02, 2020, 09:37:44 PM
I saw that news conference and it was interesting to see Gov. Baker's reaction to the question.  I think he felt that the Maine Governor's position was rather odd, given that as of last week, Massachusetts had the lowest infection rate in the nation.

Unfortunately, some of the stuff I see on the news from other parts of the country tell me that there are still a lot of folks who just don't "get it" with regard to the seriousness of this deal.  Sadly, some of those folks are elected officials.....or at least, they are for the moment.  :)

I had the same reaction as Baker.  I say that in the context that the times I have been out since mid-March here outside Boston, (nearly all grocery shopping,) I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen people not wearing a mask in the store.  Folks here are taking the pandemic seriously, and the numbers show.

Unfortunately, some elsewhere are not taking this seriously.  You can advise or require masks when social distancing is not an option, but some are going to do as they please without concern for others.  You just can't fix stupid.  :(
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Post by: John McNamara on July 02, 2020, 11:05:15 PM
You just can't fix stupid.  :(
Darwin can and will.
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Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 03, 2020, 08:17:09 AM


Unfortunately, some elsewhere are not taking this seriously.  You can advise or require masks when social distancing is not an option, but some are going to do as they please without concern for others.  You just can't fix stupid.  :(

Nor quarantine it.

Jeff S.
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Post by: Roger Cole on July 03, 2020, 09:18:51 AM
An interesting article in the Washington Post regarding Maine & tourism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/coronavirus-maine-tourism/2020/07/02/e0d2eb0a-bba4-11ea-8cf5-9c1b8d7f84c6_story.html?fbclid=IwAR0_HdOfAzUNikXnYBu25TLl_8ahM1RjbWNstwmFGflIJsSGw1lL8InkZNo
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Post by: Al Michelis on July 03, 2020, 10:01:05 AM

For us, that means that we have to strictly require and enforce our visitor restrictions as already outlined.  I would urge that masks be mandatory as well.

Do we have a plan if a visitor refuses to comply?  How do we enforce it?

Bob

Good question Bob.  Goveror Mills will probably sign her executive order mandating enforcement in the coastal counties, if not today early next week.  Do we make masks available to those who will give in and comply?  Or do we just politely tell them to leave.  Who is going to do this?
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Post by: Paul Crabb on July 03, 2020, 10:09:33 AM
One of the Providence RI TV news stations questioned in their new report why RI isn't on Maine's "allowed list" and said they have inquired as to why. I haven't seen or heard the response to the inquiry yet. Maybe our Governor should also inquire.
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Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 03, 2020, 10:09:51 AM
Masks will be available to all visitors. WW&F-branded masks are for sale and disposable masks will be available.

At this time, any enforcement will be by the train's Conductor - who will seat groups away from each other. This is subject to change based on whatever requirements the state mandates.

[Moderator's note]
We're starting to tip our toes into a non-railroad debate. Anyone with concerns about the policy published and enforcement should probably correspond directly with one of the museum's officers.
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Post by: Ed Lecuyer on July 03, 2020, 10:13:38 AM
For those who did not see this post yesterday on Facebook, here is the public statement on the WW&F's plan to keep passengers and volunteers safe:

WW&F COVID-19 Pandemic Safety Plan

Preface:
In light of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, the WW&F has adopted the following plan to safeguard those visiting and working at the Railway. When visiting, we request our guests extend us the same consideration by following these precautions and plans.

Our goal is to ensure visitors & personnel remain safe & healthy during their interactions at the Railway.


As such, visitors can expect the following actions from the Railway to ensure their safety.
The WW&F shall:


Minimize visitor-personnel contact by utilizing online sales & contactless transactions whenever possible.

Limit  access to the Railway to fewer than 50 visitors at any given time and in any given space, including passenger trains.
-and-
Limit public access to select buildings, while closing select hands-on displays, railroad cars & small structures.

Sanitize & clean public spaces (including trains, platforms, and restrooms) between each departure.

Utilize open-air cars on most public trains. Any closed-format cars will have windows & doors open to promote the free flow of air within the car.

Install signage to reinforce recommended cleanliness & social distancing practices throughout the Railway.

Monitor on-site personnel for symptoms & check volunteers for elevated temperature. Require all public-facing staff to wear masks during their interactions with visitors.

Abide by all relevant state or federal CDC guidelines & adjust this Safety Plan as appropriate to meet their guidelines.

Provide a wide-range of activities and events that can be enjoyed safely by all visitors.

The WW&F expects visitors to commit to the following actions out of consideration for our personnel and fellow guests.
Visitors to the WW&F shall:


Reserve and purchase tickets for trains and related events online, in advance.

Contact the museum as soon as possible for a cancellation and full refund upon the display of symptoms and/or elevated temperature.

Wear a mask (or suitable face covering) when in enclosed railway cars, enclosed spaces, and other locations where social distancing is not possible.

Evaluate their risk for contracting COVID-19 and the level of public interaction that is appropriate in their personal situation.

Expect to be transported back to a simpler time, and become engaged in rebuilding Maine history.
 
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Post by: Wayne Laepple on July 03, 2020, 10:24:23 AM
The Strasburg Rail Road makes the point very succinctly at the very top of their web page:

We’re doing our part to keep you safe, but we can’t do it alone. The success of our Reopen Plan requires the cooperation of all our Guests. Guests of The Strasburg Rail Road are invitees to private property and, as such, are required to follow all of our policies. In accordance with our current policies, our Guests help us ensure the health and safety of all by agreeing to the following:
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Post by: Kevin Madore on July 03, 2020, 04:06:21 PM
Most out-of-state visitors are completely ignoring state guidelines.  They are treating Maine as a vacation playground where the rules don't apply to them.

It will be interesting to see, when the museum finally opens up, if the type of crowd we attract shares much in common with the folks described in the above post.    I've visited a ton of tourist railroads and museums, literally all over the US in the last decade, and the demographic that elects to spend their time and money at railroad museums tends to fall into one of two categories:
The good thing about this is that the crowds that are noticeably absent are the younger, rebellious "me generation", and the good 'ole boy types that I personally believe are largely responsible kind of behavior that Bob mentions in his post.   Also notable absent is alcohol, which is a key ingredient in bad behavior.  For the most part, it's been my experience that folks who patronize steam railroads are pretty respectful of others, and that's the real key to getting through this mess.    It ain't about you or me, it's about US.

I hope the rules will allow me to make it up there when the time comes.  I haven't taken a picture since the rotary operation at Chama.   I hope I haven't forgotten how.   :'(   
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Post by: John McNamara on July 03, 2020, 07:21:54 PM
It is not easy to comply with the 14-day in-state quarantine or the pre-testing requirement (doctor referrals and/or limited locations, and/or multi-day waits for results). However, it is easy to get a mask and to wear it. Maybe we should supply some that say, "I am not a jerk."
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Post by: Bob Holmes on July 03, 2020, 07:50:41 PM
Well, as I read about 1) increasing levels of infection in opening states, and 2) the increasing shift of national consensus re masks:  I firmly believe we should take the stance that noone comes onto the trains without masks.  If they refuse, they should be asked to leave, and their reservations will be refunded.

This is a public health issue, not a political issue, and as an informal (not official) medical advisor to the BOD (with training in epidemiology), I think this is the best and safest course to follow as we reopen.

Bob
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Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on July 03, 2020, 10:34:22 PM
With the latest executive order we will likely wind up requiring mask use on trains, as it is unlikely with a train, even at half-capacity, for people to maintain social distancing at all times. Therefore, based on the rule, masks would be required on all trains (even open cars).
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Post by: Jeff Schumaker on July 04, 2020, 11:05:24 AM
The Strasburg Rail Road makes the point very succinctly at the very top of their web page:

We’re doing our part to keep you safe, but we can’t do it alone. The success of our Reopen Plan requires the cooperation of all our Guests. Guests of The Strasburg Rail Road are invitees to private property and, as such, are required to follow all of our policies. In accordance with our current policies, our Guests help us ensure the health and safety of all by agreeing to the following:

I think signs with the above underlined statement, changing Strasburg to WW&F, should be posted in prominent locations around the museum.

Jeff S.
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Post by: Bob Holmes on July 04, 2020, 08:00:29 PM
Jeff, totally agree!!!

I do think that our usual guests who know us well will cooperate fully.  I worry about other who are new to the railroad and may not appreciate our concerns about safety.