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Title: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 12, 2019, 06:40:33 PM
B&SR no. 8 arrived at Sheepscot this afternoon from the Maine Narrow Gauge Museum in Portland. No. 8 will be put on outside display on one the future roundhouse tracks off of the turntable. The locomotive needs a new boiler and MNGRR has no current plans to restore the locomotive to operating condition.

No. 8 being loaded up in Portland. The stack is off for vertical clearance. Wes Heinz photos.

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Arriving at Sheepscot and being unloaded on the ramp track.

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Parked inside bay 3 of the shop. A crew from MNGRR is cleaning the engine and touching up the paint before the locomotive goes outside on display tomorrow.

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Title: Re: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 12, 2019, 08:47:01 PM
How are the headlights and mark the lamps while it was in the shop? That would be a neat affect for when we have nighttime trains.
Title: Re: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 12, 2019, 10:16:59 PM
How are the headlights and mark the lamps while it was in the shop? That would be a neat affect for when we have nighttime trains.

The lights have 120v bulbs installed and are wired to a standard plug. Wes just plugged the engine into an extension cord to light it up.
Title: Re: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: Kevin Madore on December 12, 2019, 10:20:44 PM
I'll bet it's been a while since the old girl last saw the sunshine.   I remember Russ Page giving me a cab ride in this engine way back in the early 2000s.    The king of the Maine 2-footers.   Should be quite a display for VC.    Wish it weren't going to rain.  :(

/Kevin Madore
Title: Re: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: Philip Marshall on December 13, 2019, 12:47:09 AM
The photos of No. 8 on the ramp track and in the shop show just how big she really is. Wow is the word.

I had a cab ride in No. 8 at Edaville back in the 1980s and have a great fondness for the engine. I'm glad we can offer her a new home for a while.

(Do I understand correctly that in addition to the boiler problems she also has a cracked cylinder?)
Title: Re: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 13, 2019, 01:34:14 AM
Yep, a big little narrow gauger.
Any idea if and when 8 gets rebuilt?

Thanks for the pics, including a peek at the completed trusses and wall framing of the car barn extension.
Title: Re: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: Mike Fox on December 13, 2019, 05:25:14 AM
There are no plans for Maine Narrow Gauge to rebuild #8 at this time. They are focused on Depot and Shop construction.
Title: Re: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: Anthony Vo on December 13, 2019, 08:57:10 AM
It seems that whenever #8 is being transported between sites, it's stack is always removed. When I saw it in the documentary about the equipment going up to the MNGRR, I thought they just took the stack off because it was a diamond stack
Title: Re: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: James Patten on December 13, 2019, 10:02:06 AM
The stack comes off because otherwise it's an overheight load on the trailer.
Title: Re: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: Rick Rowlands on December 13, 2019, 09:51:32 PM
38 tons.  Rather impressive.  That is just about what J&L 58 weighs now, but 8 has three more axles to spread out the weight!
Title: Re: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 13, 2019, 11:43:15 PM
Rick...when will you bring J&L 58 over to WW&F?
And how're things going at your place?
Title: Re: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: Mike Fox on December 14, 2019, 05:34:22 AM
The track department would not be impressed if 58 shined our light rail..
Title: Re: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 14, 2019, 05:33:50 PM
Oops.
Never mind.
Title: Re: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: Rick Rowlands on December 14, 2019, 06:05:47 PM
Things are going well on the J&LNG.  Last weekend we acquired an 8,000 gallon GATX tankcar tank, built in 1920, to use as a new water tower.  We are also ready to pull up some 115 lb. rail to use for future track construction.  58 is slumbering, waiting patiently for spring. 
Title: Re: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 16, 2019, 03:07:02 PM
Photo taken today by Jason...
Title: Re: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: John McNamara on December 16, 2019, 03:13:16 PM
Now we know that the turntable will handle 38 tons.....once. ;)
Title: Re: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: Kevin Kierstead on December 16, 2019, 06:58:13 PM
what is the rated tonnage for the turntable?
Title: Re: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: Rick Rowlands on December 17, 2019, 05:09:51 PM
38 tons?
Title: Re: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 18, 2019, 08:50:04 AM
Didn't  WW&F #6 get turned on the original turntable at Wiscasset?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 18, 2019, 09:03:03 AM
Harold Downey drew up the plans used to construct the current WW&F turntable. Here are his comments on weight ...

Overall, this turntable bridge is a very robust structure.  The stresses in all the main elements are very low.  The primary limiting factor was deflection, which was governed by the longitudinal beams.  The truss elements function to keep the loads on the perimeter rail and wheels near zero once the locomotive is centered.  In fact if you look at some of the historical photos, there is only a partial perimeter rail. 
Finally, the bridge would still function without the truss, but it would be harder to turn.

For the stress analysis, I used the biggest WW&F locomotive as the design load --the 26 ton #6. 

It was quite fun to look at the historical photos and analyze the changes from the Portland Co. drawing.  Folks have noticed the tie rod between the queen posts so far.  There are quite a few other differences, some of them subtle.  Our turntable will be very much like the historical photos.

That quote was posted early in  the "Official Turntable Work thread" started several years ago. Here is a link to the beginning of that thread:
http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,2628.0.html
Title: Re: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: Philip Marshall on December 18, 2019, 01:11:28 PM
I had assumed the 26-ton weight for No. 6 was the engine only, not counting the tender. Is this incorrect?
Title: Re: B&SR no. 8 arrives at Sheepscot
Post by: Benjamin Richards on December 18, 2019, 08:35:59 PM
No, you are correct; that figure is for the engine only. A fully-loaded tender would add roughly half as much again.