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WW&F Railway Museum Discussion => Museum Discussion => Topic started by: Ed Lecuyer on November 30, 2019, 11:47:37 AM

Title: Improvements for #52
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 30, 2019, 11:47:37 AM
Just in time for Victorian Christmas...
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on November 30, 2019, 12:27:34 PM
Well people would have a hard time saying they didn't see the locomotive coming!
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Bill Piche on November 30, 2019, 02:27:31 PM
I like the buildouts on the side of the cab. Makes it possible to see up the train without leaning out of the cab so far.
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Bob Holmes on November 30, 2019, 07:41:44 PM
Seriously, I think 52 SHOULD get a new more dignified paint scheme!

Contest anyone?
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on November 30, 2019, 07:57:37 PM
This would be great at Victorian Christmas. I agree with Bob about a new color scheme. Of course, we’ll need someone to apply the paint...
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 30, 2019, 08:22:10 PM
I see they properly put the hand rails on the hood, but they missed the handrails on the cab roof.  I guess without the walk board extending by the expanded cab they weren't needed.
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: John Kokas on November 30, 2019, 09:07:15 PM
I think Bob has a point - #52's paint job is looking a bit tired.  I would suggest a nice MEC switcher paint scheme.
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 30, 2019, 09:33:24 PM
I do like the expanded cab design.  If we have someone who is good with sheet metal that would be a great project before any new paint job. 

Of course there are always rumblings about a four axle switcher, but that doesn't seem to be moving anywhere fast (pun intended).  Therefore, perhaps we should upgrade what we have.

Life is what happens while one is planning for life.
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 01, 2019, 11:52:29 AM
Expanding the cab sides ala latest sg caboose-style makes total sense...safety/better visibility, more room.
Great new paint job, is needed, would be an eyecatcher!
Go for it!
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 01, 2019, 12:43:27 PM
Except that the engineer would need gorilla arms to be able to reach the throttle and brake valve.

This model seems to be a "kit-bash" of a modern Plymouth frame and the body of the 1920's Plymouth Model JLB.
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 01, 2019, 01:56:03 PM
Modify the throttle lever. Move the brake valve assembly.
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 01, 2019, 02:44:51 PM
Easy for you to say, not so easy to accomplish.
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 01, 2019, 03:10:02 PM
Move the seat to the right to be beside the throttle.  There would then be room for one's knees and feet beside the switch panel in the new expanded cab.
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: John McNamara on December 01, 2019, 04:44:19 PM
Move the seat to the right to be beside the throttle.  There would then be room for one's knees and feet beside the switch panel in the new expanded cab.
It would be a long reach to manipulate the brakes. "Brakes? We don't need no stinkin' brakes!"

Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 01, 2019, 04:50:01 PM
One gorilla arm required.
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Mike Fox on December 01, 2019, 06:22:37 PM
We have talked about an expaned cab for a bunch of years now, which would make the engineers view to the rear much better. A redesign of the controls would be in order, making a conrol stand pedestal with all controls on it like the brakes, throttle and reverser. A new heater and some insulation to deaden the noise from the motor and transmission would becnice too.
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on December 01, 2019, 07:38:05 PM
Dynamat would be easy to install and not take up much room.
Dave
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Bob Holmes on December 01, 2019, 07:55:00 PM
All this for an ugly small beast that beats up the rails!??  (I'm just being facetious here)

(BTW, Another argument for a two truck diesel?)


Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: John Kokas on December 01, 2019, 10:31:47 PM
It's being worked on Bob.
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 02, 2019, 08:46:24 AM
It's being worked on Bob.
Sounds like future good news John.
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 02, 2019, 11:44:49 AM
Please explain 'Dynamat'.
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 02, 2019, 11:59:27 AM
While widening 52's cab, how about adding a bit more headroom in that little loco?, am sure would be appreciated.
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 02, 2019, 12:30:18 PM
Please explain 'Dynamat'.
Dynamat is a sound deadening product, often used in vehicles ...
http://www.dynamat.com/
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 02, 2019, 01:11:30 PM
I have a better idea, at least for back-up movements. How about a big truck mirror mounted on the right side? Lots less hassle than trying to build out the cab side, extend the roof, raise the roof, move the control stand, move the brake valve, etc., etc.
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: John McNamara on December 02, 2019, 02:12:20 PM
I have a better idea, at least for back-up movements. How about a big truck mirror mounted on the right side? Lots less hassle than trying to build out the cab side, extend the roof, raise the roof, movement the control stand, move the brake valve, etc., etc.
I suggested this many, many years ago, but Jason nixed it on the grounds that people would come to rely on it. I've always thought that a picture of a steam locomotive with such a mirror would be of assistance in swaying him. I would have mentioned the X-2000's retract-at-high-speed mirror, but that would an argument in exactly the wrong direction. :D
-John M
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 02, 2019, 02:54:33 PM
Almost every diesel locomotive I've operated has a rear view mirror on the engineer's side.
Title: Re: New Paint Scheme for #52
Post by: Benjamin Richards on December 02, 2019, 03:18:16 PM
Dynamat is a sound deadening product, often used in vehicles ...

I have this product in my car. Expectations have to be set properly when using this stuff. It's primarily intended to address sympathetic resonance, such as that arising from hollow body cavities and long, unsupported body panel spans, rather than primary resonance, i.e. the source of the sound. It accomplishes this primarily by just being heavy. Heavy objects have a lower resonant frequency and require more energy to resonate. For a given component, adding dynamat pushes either or both of these parameters outside the range of human detection.

You can pretty much tell if dynamat is going to help or not by just rapping on things with your knuckles. If you get a ping, twang, clang, boing, crash, or boom, slap some on. If you get a click or thud, skip it.

True sound deadening requires highly energy-absorbent materials, like carpet, dense foam, and fiberglass batting, along with complete mechanical isolation including air passageways. So that means no free hot air from the engine compartment in wintertime, or even really any ventilation of any kind.
Title: Re: Improvements for #52
Post by: John McNamara on December 02, 2019, 04:55:57 PM
Good technical points about sound dampening. One trivial point is that cab heat is provided by a hot water heater with two-speed fan. Luxury ;D
John M (fan wiring installer)
Title: Re: Improvements for #52
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 02, 2019, 08:26:22 PM
The former Sandia Labs '70s  Kline loco/car mover I ran at 2926 had a big, operator's truck side mirror that stuck way out.
We took it off the offset  cab side. It kept scraping containers, things along the narrow worksite.  :P
We didn't touch the separate little round mirror aimed down at the front coupler. It was handy.  ;)