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Title: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 15, 2019, 08:51:19 PM
In cooperation with Maine Narrow Gauge the B&SR tank car is getting rebuilt.

The tank being removed last Sunday. Stewart Rhine's photos.

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/car%20move/tank%20car/t1.jpg)

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/car%20move/tank%20car/t3.jpg)

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/car%20move/tank%20car/t2.jpg)

Fred took the lead on removing the decking, stake pockets, and grab irons.

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/car%20move/tank%20car/IMG_0851.jpg)

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/car%20move/tank%20car/IMG_0854.jpg)

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/car%20move/tank%20car/IMG_0859.jpg)

The tank moved over by the wood's track.

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/car%20move/tank%20car/IMG_0868.jpg)

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/car%20move/tank%20car/IMG_0873.jpg)

The flatcar body picked up off the trucks and moved downed to the roundhouse lead to be loaded on flatcar 205. The carbody was moved into the shop on car 205 and lifted off with the overhead hoists.

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/car%20move/tank%20car/IMG_0865.jpg)

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/car%20move/tank%20car/IMG_0878.jpg)

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/car%20move/tank%20car/t6.jpg)

The car was set down on blocks to be disassembled.

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/car%20move/tank%20car/IMG_0885.jpg)

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/car%20move/tank%20car/IMG_0887.jpg)



Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Harold Downey on August 15, 2019, 09:59:12 PM
Wow.  It looks like the tank was holding the flat car together. 

How are the sills?  I see some already have scarf repairs.   There is a spec in the 1895 Car Builder's Dictionary on how to do these scarfs, and also the acceptable location.  They don't recommend repairing the center (draft) sills).   Since railroads interchanged cars, any RR could do repairs, but had to meet specs.   It is interesting that they also had a valuation method for charging back to the owning RR. 
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on August 16, 2019, 01:39:08 AM
I remember seeing that at Edaville many years ago.  It sure went to rack and ruin didn't it?
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Steve Smith on August 16, 2019, 02:12:29 AM
Thank you, Start, for the photos. Fine job of photo-journalism!
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Philip Marshall on August 16, 2019, 02:57:12 AM
A detail Brendan pointed out to me on Sunday are the bolt holes showing where the stake pockets on the ends of each side of the car were located before they were moved over to make room for the stirrup steps. This means the side sills are original B&SR wood, which is amazing.
(Flatcar 14 as built by Portland Co. had no steps, just like our flatcar 118. The steps were added later when the B&SR was under MEC ownership.)

The trucks are mismatched, but one of them has Griffin wheelsets with SR&RL markings.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on August 16, 2019, 12:22:39 PM
So what is the condition of the tank on this one? would it hold water if it was needed?
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Kevin Kierstead on August 16, 2019, 01:45:41 PM
how many gals. capacity compared to the one by the tool house? would this smaller one have been used for kerosene?
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Mike Fox on August 16, 2019, 02:31:21 PM
Both cars together would equal a standard guage tank car. For some reason I think the big one is 3000 gallons and the small one is 2000 gallons, or somewhere near that.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Brendan Barry on August 16, 2019, 04:39:29 PM
How are the sills?  I see some already have scarf repairs.   There is a spec in the 1895 Car Builder's Dictionary on how to do these scarfs, and also the acceptable location.  They don't recommend repairing the center (draft) sills).   Since railroads interchanged cars, any RR could do repairs, but had to meet specs.   It is interesting that they also had a valuation method for charging back to the owning RR.

Only one side sill appears to be an original. The other side sill and the center sills were probably Edaville's doing. All the center sills had joints inline at the same spot.

how many gals. capacity compared to the one by the tool house? would this smaller one have been used for kerosene?

I measured the small tank yesterday and the tank is 3000 gallons. I just went out and meaasured the big tank and that tank comes out to 4000 gallons.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Harold Downey on August 16, 2019, 11:24:07 PM
This is from the 1909 Car Builder's Dictionary, under Interchange Rules.   This governs repair splices to sills.   1895 edition did not allow center sill splices, but now they are allowed with a reinforcing timber as shown in figure 9A.    But I read from this that center sills can't be spliced right in the center.   Cross tie timbers are also known as needle beams. 

Rule 65. Draft timbers must not be spliced. All longitudinal sills may be spliced once, with the exception of center sills, which may be spliced at both ends.
Not more than two adjacent sills may be spliced at the same end of car.  The splice may be located either side of body bolster, but the nearest point of any splice must not be within
12 inches of same, excepting center sills, which must be spliced between body bolster and cross-tie timbers and not within 24 inches of either. Longitudinal sills other than center sills where less than 12 inches in depth, the plan shown in Fig. 8 is to be followed. When the sills are 12 inches or more in depth the plan shown in Fig. 9 is to be followed. When center sills are spliced the plan shown in Fig. 9a is to be followed. The size of horizontal or cross bolts shown in Fig. 9a should be 5/8 inch.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Mike Fox on August 17, 2019, 12:25:13 AM

how many gals. capacity compared to the one by the tool house? would this smaller one have been used for kerosene?

I measured the small tank yesterday and the tank is 3000 gallons. I just went out and meaasured the big tank and that tank comes out to 4000 gallons.

Depending on where you look, the smaller tank was put in service in 1901 as a 3000 or 3500 gallon car. In 1920 the larger tank (5000 gallons, according to a couple of source material) was placed on car 21, then the newer car 14 shortly after.

Then, like I mentioned above, sometime at Edaville the smaller tank was removed from the 28 foot car 22 and placed on the 30 foot car 14, because the larger tank had failed.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on August 17, 2019, 01:00:48 PM
So is the car going to be rebuilt as it was in service of as it came from Edaville?
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Mike Fox on August 18, 2019, 12:09:58 AM
It will be rebuilt as car 14, with the smaller tank as it came from Edaville.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Steve Smith on August 18, 2019, 12:16:18 AM
Do historical items tell what was carried in the tank in 1901? My guess would be kerosene. Automobiles and trucks were fairly numerous by 1920, so could it have carried gasoline by then? 
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Mike Fox on August 18, 2019, 12:20:29 AM
Kerosene in 1901. An oild company was started in Bridgton and must have done home deliveries. And you are correct about the gasoline. Except the spelling was different then. Gasolene..
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Paul Uhland on August 18, 2019, 01:42:21 AM
Will this be rebuilt as a tank car, or a flatcar?
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Graham Buxton on August 18, 2019, 09:58:52 AM
Will this be rebuilt as a tank car, or a flatcar?

Mike posted this yesterday in this thread:

It will be rebuilt as car 14, with the smaller tank as it came from Edaville.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Dwight Winkley on August 18, 2019, 11:55:58 AM
So, will the new rebuilt flat car be 28 or 30 feet long?  And what will the car number be?
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Steve Smith on August 19, 2019, 03:08:53 AM
I think that kerosene came first, didn't it Mike? So gasolene was the more logical spelling. I wonder how it came to be gasoline. Are there any petroleum industry experts on the Forum who can give a reason?

Any members of our forum who remember the comic strip "Gasoline Alley"?
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Steve Smith on August 19, 2019, 03:14:18 AM
I should have checked via Wikipedia before asking. Just did so, belatedly, and found it's still going, although by a successor cartoonist.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Mike Fox on August 19, 2019, 10:41:18 AM
Yes Steve. They shipped Kerosene first. I am not sure when the gasolene shipments started, but in 1920 the larger tank was put in service by Sonoco, but I am not sure if that means the oil dealer bought the tanks and had them installed or if the Railroad did it.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 19, 2019, 11:39:09 AM
Yes Steve. They shipped Kerosene first. I am not sure when the gasolene shipments started, but in 1920 the larger tank was put in service by Sonoco, but I am not sure if that means the oil dealer bought the tanks and had them installed or if the Railroad did it.

I have come across reports in The Bridgton News of tanks being built in 1907, I believe. I will have to check my notes on the year.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Mike Fox on August 19, 2019, 12:16:13 PM
I think you are right. They started hauling with the small tank on '01, and then upgraded the tanks in Bridgton (I forget the dealers name) with a vertical tank.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 19, 2019, 07:11:28 PM
Mike,

You are correct, the year was 1901, not 1907. I should have checked my notes first. The Standard Oil agent was Charles E. Gleason. An article from February reported the tank was to be built at Bridgton Jct. Plans must have changed, as the next mention of an oil tank was in November, at which time it was reported that the tank would be built on the hillside south of the B&SR frieght sheds in Bridgton. An "oil car" was also mentioned to deliver the oil from the junction. Construction of the tank began in late November. Apparently, it was not built on site, but moved into position, as a December 20th article mentions the tank being "placed in position". The first tank car delivery to Bridgton was reported on December 27th.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on August 21, 2019, 02:59:10 AM
Although, the cars themselves may have been assembled in the early 1900s, I believe Phillip Marshall suggested that the tanks themselves may have actually belonged to earlier, standard gauge tank cars.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Philip Marshall on August 21, 2019, 03:53:56 AM
Although, the cars themselves may have been assembled in the early 1900s, I believe Phillip Marshall suggested that the tanks themselves may have actually belonged to earlier, standard gauge tank cars.

Yes, thank you Steve. 

The casting on the top of the dome of the larger tank (I don't know about the smaller one) is marked "Harrisburg Foundry & Machine Co. Makers Harrisburg Pa 1878". Also known as the  Harrisburg Car Works, this company was the first major builder of railroad tank cars during the Pennsylvania petroleum boom of the 1860s-1870s. They went out of business around 1893.

https://www.midcontinent.org/rollingstock/builders/harrisburg1.htm (https://www.midcontinent.org/rollingstock/builders/harrisburg1.htm)

The larger tank bears a striking resemblance to an 1875 Harrisburg tank car design for the PRR illustrated at the link above.

I'm quite certain the larger tank is an 1870s standard gauge tank car that was acquired second-hand by Standard Oil and the B&SR and converted to narrow gauge.

A discussion of Harrisburg tank cars (including ours) on RYPN several years ago found at least four still in existence, of which ours is apparently the oldest based on the dome casting date: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=34090&hilit=harrisburg+cars (http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=34090&hilit=harrisburg+cars)

There are very few Harrisburg tank cars left, and very few freight cars from the 1870s left in general, so it's a significant artifact even without the narrow gauge part of its history.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Philip Marshall on August 21, 2019, 04:03:50 AM
The library of the University of Pennsylvania holds a collection of Harrisburg Car Works builder's photos, including some tank cars: http://www.library.upenn.edu/collections/rbm/photos/harrisburgcar/ (http://www.library.upenn.edu/collections/rbm/photos/harrisburgcar/)

Compare these images with the larger B&SR tank:

http://www.library.upenn.edu/collections/rbm/photos/harrisburgcar/harrisburgcar-1.html (http://www.library.upenn.edu/collections/rbm/photos/harrisburgcar/harrisburgcar-1.html)

http://www.library.upenn.edu/collections/rbm/photos/harrisburgcar/harrisburgcar-29.html (http://www.library.upenn.edu/collections/rbm/photos/harrisburgcar/harrisburgcar-29.html)

http://www.library.upenn.edu/collections/rbm/photos/harrisburgcar/harrisburgcar-34.html (http://www.library.upenn.edu/collections/rbm/photos/harrisburgcar/harrisburgcar-34.html)
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Mike Fox on August 21, 2019, 09:32:18 AM
I don't recall knowing the history of the small tank, but the larger tank came from a standard gauge car. It was put in service with the patch repairs that are on the tank in 1920. I had already had a rough life before the B&SR got it.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Ted Miles on August 21, 2019, 05:43:36 PM
Folks,
         I was an avid reader of the Gasoline Alley comic strip back in the old days; like the 1950s.
          I have a picture of the #14 tank car taken at Portland in shiny new silver. It is sure amazing what several years of outside storage can do to modern paint. I am glad there is interest in the tank cars; there were only two of them in Maine. And that 1870s tank, owned by the WW&F Museum is the oldest artifact on the property, much older than its narrow gauge years.
Ted Miles, WW&F Member 
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: John McNamara on August 21, 2019, 08:13:27 PM
Maybe we can get a restoration grant from Exxon Mobil (XOM). ;)
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Ted Miles on September 10, 2019, 05:08:51 PM
Today it appears that you could not save any of the six sills; I hope the iron hardware is reusable. The wood work is pretty straight forward. The iron tank will be hard; as a special certificate for confined spaces will likely be needed. Maybe that can be left for Maine Narrow Gauge; it is their tank car after all.  Ted Miles, WW&F Member
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Brendan Barry on September 10, 2019, 10:02:21 PM
Today it appears that you could not save any of the six sills; I hope the iron hardware is reusable. The wood work is pretty straight forward. The iron tank will be hard; as a special certificate for confined spaces will likely be needed. Maybe that can be left for Maine Narrow Gauge; it is their tank car after all.  Ted Miles, WW&F Member

The car had one original side sill and the blocks on top of the bolsters the truss rods ride on top of were probably original. The rest of the car was all Edaville construction. The car also had the remains of the attachment points for pipe railings. So at some point the car was in passenger service without a tank mounted.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 15, 2019, 05:23:49 PM
Zach has the flatcar ready to be turned over.  The car needs decking, paint, and stake pockets put back on to be finished.

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/car%20move/IMG_0439_1.jpg)

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/car%20move/IMG_0542_1.jpg)

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/car%20move/IMG_0603_1.jpg)

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/car%20move/IMG_0607.jpg)
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 15, 2019, 07:55:25 PM
Paint work started this afternoon.

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/mount%20ext/IMG_0619.jpg)

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/mount%20ext/IMG_0620.jpg)
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Bill Reidy on October 15, 2019, 07:58:30 PM
I hope Stewart remembers to put the lettering stencils on upside-down.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 24, 2019, 03:15:34 PM
The car has been flipped upright and placed on it's trucks. Zack also put all the stake pockets back on.

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/mount%20ext/IMG_0634.jpg)

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/mount%20ext/IMG_0636.jpg)

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/mount%20ext/IMG_0644.jpg)

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/mount%20ext/IMG_0645.jpg)

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/mount%20ext/IMG_0650.jpg)
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 25, 2019, 12:13:46 PM
This has been a fairly quick rebuild.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Dave Crow on October 25, 2019, 12:31:39 PM
It appears the brake beams were body-mounted?  Nice rebuild!
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 25, 2019, 06:24:14 PM
Where is the brake equipment?
This is now a flatcar?
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Fred Morse on October 25, 2019, 07:37:35 PM
The tank has to be scraped and painted. I think MNG people are doing that. They may have it sand blasted.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Ted Miles on October 29, 2019, 12:13:46 AM
Now that the new flat car for the #14 tank is well along; has the tank been inspected to see what it needs for repairs?

It would be very useful as a fire suppression car; rather than just a display. In any case the tank needs to be painted top to bottom.

Ted Miles, WW&F Member
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 31, 2019, 02:19:12 PM
The decking is complete and the car is in primer.

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/carbarn/IMG_0671.jpg)

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/carbarn/IMG_0683.jpg)

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/carbarn/IMG_0685.jpg)
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 31, 2019, 03:34:36 PM
Fred...sandblasting is such  quick, easy, thorough metal painting prep, right?  Have used it at C&TS, 2926 on smaller jobs.

Surprised WW&F doesn't use it more?

Once bought a handheld nozzle/small reservoir unit at Harbor Freight for $15.
Just add air hose, sand or slag, or ground nut shells, and spray. 
Fast and very slick. ;)
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 31, 2019, 06:03:20 PM
One side got lettered this morning.

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/carbarn/IMG_0711.jpg)

The timber with the rounded ends is the end timber for the bunk that holds the tank in place.

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/carbarn/IMG_0713.jpg)
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Bob Holmes on October 31, 2019, 10:49:23 PM
WOW, you guys are amazing!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Mike Fox on November 10, 2019, 02:00:25 AM
Paint crew has been busy this week..

(https://i.postimg.cc/2yQ4m9Sx/1109191539.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Gmcj3RYT/1109191539a.jpg)

And Zack has been working on the saddles.

(https://i.postimg.cc/HnDQq1dx/1109191539_Burst01.jpg)
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 23, 2019, 10:02:47 PM
Fred working on removing the railings from the tank last Thursday.

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/carbarn/IMG_0811.jpg)

The railings and tank tie downs stripped from the tank. The ladder was welded to the dome at some point and it was decided to just leave it on the tank for sandblasting.

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/carbarn/IMG_0835.jpg)

Jason took a picture of the blasting contractor at work this morning. The contractor is using crushed glass for the blast media.

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/carbarn/IMG_0836.jpg)
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Mike Fox on November 23, 2019, 10:09:11 PM
Tanks for the pics. That sure does look clean now.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: James Patten on November 23, 2019, 10:15:13 PM
Photos of moving and mounting the tank.

Moving it with the forklift:
(https://i.imgur.com/jJJybLB.jpg)

It took a while, and some repositioning, but the tank is down on the car:
(https://i.imgur.com/WPdBQ6T.jpg)

Dave is happy.
(https://i.imgur.com/bP9C1Zk.jpg)

A tank and a car:
(https://i.imgur.com/lWzn52p.jpg)

Coming off the siding to the mainline:
(https://i.imgur.com/jr63CAx.jpg)

The top and underside get blasted on Monday.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Bill Reidy on November 23, 2019, 10:29:53 PM
That's one tall brake wheel stand on 14.

Great progress--thanks for the photos.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 23, 2019, 11:29:36 PM
Tall brake shaft so Dave doesn’t have to lean over so far...
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on November 23, 2019, 11:38:06 PM
Tall brake shaft so Dave doesn’t have to lean over so far...
Yes, but now can you reach it, Jason?
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Kevin Kierstead on November 23, 2019, 11:38:49 PM
Why the heavy beams across the car at either end?
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Bob Holmes on November 23, 2019, 11:42:55 PM
How will the underside get painted??
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 24, 2019, 01:12:09 AM
Why the heavy beams across the car at either end?

The tank sits inside a box of heavy timbers that keep the tank in place. The end timbers are just sitting on the flatcar. The two long timbers that run down the sides of the tank are inside the shop.

How will the underside get painted??

The tank has to come back outside and be lifted off the flatcar Monday so the blasting can be completed. After the blasting is completed the plan is to bring the tank back in the shop on the flatcar and lift the tank off with the overhead cranes. The flatcar can then go back outside and the tank can be painted.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: John Kokas on November 24, 2019, 01:16:05 AM
Has sandblasting so far uncovered any areas where metal repair is going to be required?
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 24, 2019, 02:23:21 PM
Great photos. I take it that the underside will be blasted on Monday? Who will be painting the tank?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on November 24, 2019, 02:38:17 PM
Great photos. I take it that the underside will be blasted on Monday? Who will be painting the tank?

Jeff S.

Christmas Elves, I believe.  (Wes Heinz plans to come paint...)
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 25, 2019, 03:38:17 PM
When 2926 got 'blasted, we used crushed mill slag. I kept the oil drum reservoir filled.
Damn heavy stuff, sure the glass was, too.
Dust bothered the commercial neighbors.

Noticed "Griffin Wheel Co Denver".  C&TS posts mentioned Griffin cast iron wheel treads  cannot be turned.

Thanks for great photos.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Brendan Barry on November 25, 2019, 09:40:00 PM
Paint removal was completed today and the tank is back inside the shop.

Stewart Rhines picture of the tank rolled over to blast the bottom and top of the dome. Edaville must have patched the bottom of the tank at some point and stripped all the paint off of the tank. The first layer of paint was a red primer followed by Edaville bright red, black, another layer of primer and then the silver paint.

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/carbarn/t14rolled.jpg)

Back inside the shop. The tank should be painted early next week.

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/carbarn/IMG_0838.jpg)

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/carbarn/IMG_0839.jpg)
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 26, 2019, 02:43:52 AM
What are the three rods sticking out of the bottom of the tank?  additional mounting hardware?

Also, will the straps that were over the tank and simply bolted through the floor deck only be reinstalled?  will we put some sort of enforcement beams under the floor to spread the load?
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Mike Fox on November 26, 2019, 08:26:57 AM
The one in the center was probably the original drain for the tank. That would have connected to a pump in Bridgton to pump the oil into the storage tanks.

The other two pipes are suspected add ons when Edaville use the tank as a weed sprayer.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Kevin Kierstead on November 26, 2019, 02:37:24 PM
will these add-on pipes be removed and plugged? will a new valve be mounted on the main pipe?
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: James Patten on November 26, 2019, 04:03:02 PM
The add-ons were plugged, then we removed the plugs to get them onto the car.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Bill Reidy on December 01, 2019, 02:47:47 AM
A photo today of Zack Wyllie shaping a timber in shop bay 2 to hold the tank in place on car No. 14, which can be seen in the background.
(https://i.imgur.com/DBQGVyM.jpg)
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Dwight Winkley on December 01, 2019, 06:31:35 PM
Later last Saturday Fred applied the first coat of wood preserver to the two long beams. Will apply a second coat during the week. The long beams will be put on flat car after the tank is painted and mounted.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 02, 2019, 10:24:51 PM
Wes Heinz came up from Portland and put the first coat of paint on the tank today. Wes took before and after pictures.

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/carbarn/IMG_0843.jpg)

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/carbarn/IMG_0844.jpg)
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 03, 2019, 12:46:46 AM
Wes,

That really looks good!
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 03, 2019, 01:02:44 AM
Tops!
Will the Socony lettering be re-applied?
Will the car have a useful function, fire control, etc?
The Everhot Car Rebuild Team zooms on!   ;D

Do hope your stoves are helping make work toasty.  8)


Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Kevin Kierstead on December 03, 2019, 02:01:12 AM
Was the tank lifted off the car to enable painting?
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Brendan Barry on December 03, 2019, 11:03:42 PM
Some more pictures from today. Wes Heinz and Catherine Geren came up from Portland and finshed painting the tank.

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/carbarn/tf3.jpg)

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/carbarn/tf4.jpg)

Grab irons and tank hold downs.

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/carbarn/tf2.jpg)
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Mike Fox on December 03, 2019, 11:18:18 PM
Looks like Fred (and Al) has been busy too with the Copper Napth.. Really looking good..
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Jon Chase on December 03, 2019, 11:40:08 PM
Will there be any special preparation or precautions taken when the lettering paint is applied, to ensure that it adheres to the galvanized finish?  Does the manufacturer of the galvanizing compound make a compatible paint for this purpose? 
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Steve Smith on December 04, 2019, 01:25:08 AM
Congratulations to all who painted! The utter lack of dribbles, splatters etc. amazes me. Wonderful end result!
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Bob Holmes on December 04, 2019, 03:19:06 AM
Still unclear to me how they painted the underside....just curious
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 04, 2019, 04:43:56 AM
Still unclear to me how they painted the underside....just curious

I suspect the answer is similar to what Brendan posted earlier in this thread ...
The tank has to come back outside and be lifted off the flatcar Monday so the blasting can be completed. After the blasting is completed the plan is to bring the tank back in the shop on the flatcar and lift the tank off with the overhead cranes. The flatcar can then go back outside and the tank can be painted.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 04, 2019, 02:49:26 PM
Great work. Any idea when the lettering will be done?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Mike Fox on December 28, 2019, 11:11:47 PM
Zack continues on the Tank Car, bolting everything down. Looks like a few more details and he will be done.

(https://i.postimg.cc/90F2xXmT/1228191556.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/QC43vLCz/1228191556a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/c4CZwJ5G/1228191556-Burst01.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/xjtnXm5P/1228191557.jpg)
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on December 29, 2019, 05:11:27 AM
Do the hold downs go through timber or just through the deck?
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 29, 2019, 01:37:32 PM
So what is left to be done with the tank car, other than lettering?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Mike Fox on December 29, 2019, 02:26:08 PM
The center tie down (wraps around the dome) needs to be put back on, along with the hand rails down the side. And the tag on the brake wheel says "no brake shoes", so maybe some of them too.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on December 29, 2019, 02:33:13 PM
The end tie downs go through the deck and a spreader underneath which divides the load across the center and intermediate sills.

We need to forge new brake shoe keys, install them and the shoes, and the brake system is done.

There’s some plumbing which we’ll do in the spring since it doesn’t need to carry water for the winter charters.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on December 29, 2019, 04:55:18 PM
Thanks Jason
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 29, 2019, 07:28:41 PM
The deck, although pressure treated,  needs some color, looks unfinished.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 29, 2019, 07:46:19 PM
It will weather soon enough.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: John Kokas on December 29, 2019, 08:13:32 PM
I'd like to know when we will start work on our own tank car.  I so enjoyed working with Zack on this project during FWW, I am really looking forward to the next one.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 29, 2019, 10:54:30 PM
 Will "STANDARD OIL COMPANY OF NEW YORK" be re-lettered?
Didn't know until a couple years ago (and I grew up there) what abbrevation "SOCONY" stood for.  ;D
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 29, 2019, 11:33:30 PM
Yes. The car will be lettered for SCONY. That part of the restoration is being handled by the car's owner, Maine Narrow Gauge RR Co. & Museum.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 30, 2019, 02:14:43 AM
As for the other tank car, there seem to be quite a few other projects ahead of it.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Dwight Winkley on December 30, 2019, 02:37:30 AM
Paul, SOCONY stands for Standard Oil Company Of New York
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 30, 2019, 04:05:45 PM
Yes, Dwight. That's what I stated. Just found that out recently.
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Brendan Barry on January 08, 2020, 02:36:15 AM
The tank car is finished except for the lettering.

(https://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/newone/IMG_1082.jpg)
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Steve Smith on January 08, 2020, 04:17:24 AM
Mighty fine piece of workmanship. Congratulations to all who took part!
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Kevin Kierstead on January 08, 2020, 04:27:09 AM
has the inside been checked, cleaned and coated?
Title: Re: B&SR tank car rebuild
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 11, 2020, 04:38:00 AM
First class improvements.   :)
And, it even has brakes!  ;)
New SOCONY lettering will be quite an eyecatcher.

Rehabbing the interior would be an asset if water were needed anywhere along the line.