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Title: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Rick Rowlands on June 23, 2019, 08:17:41 AM
Now that the J&L 58 has returned to service and operating on a regular schedule, we are turning our attention to several other projects to enhance the operation. 

House Track.  Currently the only track that we have is the main, which is about 600 feet long.  One switch has been installed leading to the new site of the enginehouse and eventually into a proposed extension of the Tod Engine building.  This building extension will have a 20' x 45' area for a backshop complete with a 25 ton overhead crane. 

Standard Gauge Rail Cars.  We have three standard gauge cars coming in to serve the narrow gauge.  The first is a wooden bay window bobber caboose body that will be used as a crew room and bunkhouse for volunteers.  This car was built by the Lake Erie Franklin & Clarion Railroad and has been at a campsite since 1968.  It will be moved to Youngstown later this summer.  The second car is an EL bay window caboose donated by CSX.  It will be used for our main office.  The third is a 1920s era 10,000 gallon GATX tankcar tank.  Also being donated by CSX, it will be cleaned out and used for boiler water storage. 

Eastern Extension.  The mainline will be extended approx. 800 feet to the east, thanks to a deal struck with a neighbor to purchase a 30' wide strip of land extending about 700' eastward.  Once a new turnout is installed and grading done we can commence with the laying of track, and speaking of track I also made a deal to acquire enough 90 lb. rail to construct this extension.

Due to the weight of our locomotive, we are consigned to using rail 85 lb. or heavier for most of the railroad.  While it makes it a bit more difficult to build mainly because frogs and points are not designed for the short closure distances of 24" gauge, it is actually rather easy to find rail.  Older 90 and 100 lb. rail can still be found in abandoned sidings and industry tracks. 

While the type of narrow gauge railroading that we do here in Youngstown is a far cry from what is practiced up in Maine, I do look to the WW&F for inspiration and ideas.  You set the standard which we strive to emulate. 

The photo is of a recent operating day when we moved topsoil from the new site of the enginehouse to the fill at the western end of the main track with the side dump car. 

Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Rick Rowlands on June 23, 2019, 08:22:30 AM
This is the LEF&C bobber bay window caboose as it appeared last weekend.  It stayed in good condition because it had a rubber roof appled and the previous owner placed storm windows and Celotex on the sides of the car.  The interior is absolutely beautiful as well.
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Rick Rowlands on June 23, 2019, 08:36:46 AM
The GE 70 ton locomotive makes for a great platform to view the action from.  The 58 is all business.  No frills, just brute strength and heavy weight.  At over 40 tons and with 16,000 lbs. of tractive effort, there isn't much she can't pull.

I made a few modifications to the locomotive, one of which is the provisions for a large whistle mounted to the tank.  Currently she has a PRR 3 chime, but can accommodate any full size locomotive whistle.  To compensate for the expansion of the boiler as it heats up, a flexible steam line is used between the dome valve and the whistle bracket.
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Graham Buxton on June 23, 2019, 09:08:20 AM
That last photo above is a striking example of #58's ability to handle sharp curves!  :o
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Rick Rowlands on June 23, 2019, 08:49:13 PM
Yes.  That is a 40' radius curve and 58 rolls right around it as if its not there.  The rear platform swings out so far it reminds you of being on a trolley car.
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: John Kokas on June 23, 2019, 08:57:29 PM
For some reason I think you're going to have a little flange wear on that curve.  Just say'in  :o
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Rick Rowlands on June 24, 2019, 08:13:30 AM
Not a little, but a LOT of flange wear.  I keep the curve greased and that does help.  There will be an almost as sharp of a curve going in the other direction on the eastern extension, so at least wear will be evened out.

I already have a price quote for new driver tires and since I have a spare set of drivers, they will be disassembled and refurbished so that when we do wear through the flanges, I can just swap them out.   I can only imagine the number of driver tires these engines used up in 25 years of service at J&L. 

The idea of putting in a permanent rail greaser has crossed my mind and there is one that I could acquire if I wanted to put it in.  Until then its me and the bucket of grease every morning on operating days!
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Rick Rowlands on June 24, 2019, 08:23:43 PM
This is the stub track that runs out onto a fill at the front of the property.  115RE rail on full size ties cut in half.  This is our standard construction, except we drop down to 100RB for the rest of the main, 85AS for the house track and the eastern extension will be 90RA. 
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Steve Smith on June 24, 2019, 10:34:53 PM
Rick, I'm guessing there's "some wicked squealin," as a Mainah might say, when 58 goes around that 40-foot radius curve. Do you perhaps have a link to a sound recording?
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Wayne Laepple on June 25, 2019, 07:40:51 PM
You might want to consider flange bearing guard rail on the inside rail on that sharp curve. Designed to bear against the back of the flange which is thicker than the front. They were fairly common on steep curves on the broad gauge, and I have seen some curves that had guard rails on both rails where the curve was really sharp!
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Rick Rowlands on June 25, 2019, 10:08:53 PM
Interestingly enough it does not squeal going around the curve as long as the outer rail is greased. 
https://youtu.be/0iRsHTvwNoQ?t=193 (https://youtu.be/0iRsHTvwNoQ?t=193)

A guardrail may be something that is added down the road. 

Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Steve Smith on June 25, 2019, 11:20:11 PM
Rick, thank your the link to the video. It was nice to observe in action the particular variant of Walschaert valve gear on No. 58.
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on June 26, 2019, 09:20:11 AM
Great video, Rick. What is the heritage of the GE centercab that shows up in the video?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: John Stone on June 26, 2019, 07:41:14 PM
That is an impressive 2 footer! I love the Pennsy whistle too! That's probably the cleanest that engine has been since it left Porter!
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Rick Rowlands on June 26, 2019, 08:51:17 PM
Steve, 58 has indirect Walschaert valve gear, with the eccentric crank facing the opposite direction from most other US steam locomotives. I don't really know why, but it is interesting.

Jeff, the GE is a 70 tonner built in 1942 for the New York Central, later sold to Standard Slag, then finally Valley Lould & Iron in my hometown of Hubbard.  It has a 250 volts DC electrical system, making it very useful as a genset for powering the overhead travelling crane in the Tod Engine Building.  It also serves as our plant air compressor. 
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on June 26, 2019, 08:53:30 PM
Steve, 58 has indirect Walschaert valve gear, with the eccentric crank facing the opposite direction from most other US steam locomotives. I don't really know why, but it is interesting.

Jeff, the GE is a 70 tonner built in 1942 for the New York Central, later sold to Standard Slag, then finally Valley Lould & Iron in my hometown of Hubbard.  It has a 250 volts DC electrical system, making it very useful as a genset for powering the overhead travelling crane in the Tod Engine Building.  It also serves as our plant air compressor.

I thought it might be the former Standard Slag unit.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on July 03, 2019, 07:53:46 AM
Rick, using non standard points and frogs on your switchs is not a problem, you simply need to calculate the radius and length of the closure rail needed for the frog number and point length you are using. Yes you will have a nonstandard switch that will be longer than normal but it will work fine. I have books with the info in them if you need it.
Mike Nix
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Graham Buxton on October 07, 2019, 03:14:41 PM
The Heritage Rail Alliance has announced its 2019 award winners, and in the "Significant Achievement–Steam" category, the J&L #58 was one of the two winners.

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Significant Achievement–Steam
The locomotives must be revived from the dead, not previously restored and now receiving a federally required inspection and repair.

To Youngstown Steel Heritage Museum for the restoration of Jones & Laughlin Steel 2-foot gauge 0-4-0T #58.

https://heritagerail.org/2019/09/2019-heritagerail-awards/ (https://heritagerail.org/2019/09/2019-heritagerail-awards/)

Also note that the John H. Emery Rail Heritage Trust was recognized in the "Friend of Railway Preservation" category.   The WW&F has earlier been a recipient of at least two grants from the  John H. Emery Rail Heritage Trust.

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Friend of Railway Preservation
This award goes to individuals and institutions who assist railway preservation although not directly involved in it.

https://heritagerail.org/2019/09/2019-heritagerail-awards/ (https://heritagerail.org/2019/09/2019-heritagerail-awards/)

To the John H. Emery Rail Heritage Trust, which has given grants totaling more than $1 million since its founding in 2015. Trust advisor Naurine Lennox attended and had the opportunity to meet about a dozen of the grant recipients.
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on October 07, 2019, 09:31:51 PM
Congratulations to the Jones & Laughlin Narrow Gauge Railway! It’s well deserved.
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Rick Rowlands on October 07, 2019, 11:33:59 PM
Thanks!  I was quite surprised when I was contacted about winning the award.  I didn't think that our little project here in Ohio would end up on anyone's radar screen but I am glad that it did. 

Our last steam up of 2019 will be this upcoming Saturday.  We are hosting a whistle blow for another rail organization in Youngstown, so 58 will be in essence a stationary steam source for that event.  I'm looking forward to seeing how she does with all the whistles that will be demanding steam.  After that she will be winterized and some minor repair work done over the winter.   Hopefully we will begin construction of our eastern branch as well.
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Philip Marshall on October 08, 2019, 12:35:45 AM
Congratulations, Rick!
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: John Kokas on October 08, 2019, 12:30:47 PM
Congrats Rick!  Another major milestone, maybe a Cheerwine toast is in order.   8)     BTW - where do you plan on running the E-L SDP45 on the property? 
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Rick Rowlands on October 08, 2019, 09:05:59 PM
Those two projects seem to be at the opposite ends of the rail preservation spectrum.  Narrow gauge steam railway and a giant mainline diesel locomotive.  Both have their connection to NE Ohio railroading, but to be honest its been easier to restore 58 than it has been to do anything with that SDP45. 
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Rick Rowlands on January 19, 2020, 01:30:00 PM
We are getting ready for our second season of operations on the J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad. J&L 58 does not need much work in the off season, just a few tweaks and improvements to take care of some issues uncovered in our first summer of operation.  There is a plan in the works to acquire more property to dramatically extend the J&LNG and to that end I have started construction of a switch that will head to that new property.  Hopefully by June this switch will be complete as well as about 300 feet of new trackage to run over. 

The house track is also scheduled to be constructed as well as relocate the enginehouse from the main track to this new location.

This photo shows the start of construction of the second switch.  We are using 100RB rail, although the new track will transition up to 115RE to go up the hill, then back down to 90RA for trackage on the upper level.  The house track will be 70AS since I have several sticks of it available.  The track leading off to the right is the house track and the enginehouse will sit basically where the pickup truck is parked.

Our operating schedule for 2020 can be found here:  http://www.steelheritage.org (http://www.steelheritage.org)
Title: Re: J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 20, 2020, 12:26:56 AM
Rick,

In reading your latest post about acquiring more property to extend the line, I thought of how our founder, Harry Percival started with just a dream and a few sticks of track. 

Now look at where the WW&F is, and how far it has come.

This is my way of saying "keep the dream alive and keep moving forward."

Bill