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Title: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on May 26, 2019, 07:56:49 PM
I am pleased to announce that the Maine Community Foundation has awarded us a $4550 grant to assist in the reassembly of the event pavilion at Alna Center.

For details see:
http://wwfry.org/?p=2458 (http://wwfry.org/?p=2458)

And to learn more about the disassembly of the structure, see:
http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3296.0.html (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3296.0.html)

And (members only) can learn about the location placement decision process at:
http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3315.0.html (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3315.0.html)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on May 26, 2019, 10:23:46 PM
Clearly from the record, there is lots of evidence to support our Pavilion as historically accurate.

(But maybe without electronic sound systems...)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on May 26, 2019, 10:58:20 PM
I hope we leave enough room for a BBQ pit  8)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on September 14, 2019, 04:13:03 PM
I know you have so many "irons in the fire" for this year.  Is the reassembly of this pavilion slated for the 2020 SWW or on a "time as available when available" basis?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 15, 2019, 05:08:47 PM
Roger, planning a solid start right after FWW. If we can get the footers in, we can continue until the weather tells us different.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 18, 2019, 02:23:21 AM
Pray for a mild, late winter.
Good luck.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 18, 2019, 11:52:22 AM
If it can get done before Christmas, it would be a wonderful support for Victorian Christmas.  Santa and Christmas market perhaps?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 18, 2019, 12:03:53 PM
I doubt it will be done by Christmas. It took 8 days to take it down, and that was just the building. We have the prep work, ground work and then to construct the building. We will be lucky to have the footers done by Victorian Christmas, as there is a bit of prep to them.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on October 20, 2019, 01:06:41 AM
Work started today on site preparations at Alna Center for the pavilion -- trees were cut down along Averill Road and in the planned footprint for the building.

Dwight Winkley, Fred Morse (both foreground) and Mike Fox (background) work on trees along Averill Road adjacent to the pavilion site.
(https://i.imgur.com/SK9GBVD.jpg)

Fred works...
(https://i.imgur.com/vcXuhqH.jpg)

...While everyone else takes a break.  Alna Center station is in the background.
(https://i.imgur.com/qBSK683.jpg)

Later in the day, attention turned to the location where the pavilion will be placed.
(https://i.imgur.com/4GKeWot.jpg)

Dwight works as the 1.30 train from Sheepscot, about to pass Alna Center station, heads north toward Top of the Mountain.
(https://i.imgur.com/w1S6rLY.jpg)

The pavilion site largely cleared of trees.  The stake in the foreground marks the southeast corner of the pavilion.
(https://i.imgur.com/H69L9Op.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 20, 2019, 01:12:01 AM
Small crew today but great start. A good day next Saturday should get the bulk of it.

The one picture I took today of the site (after we decided the exact location)

(https://i.postimg.cc/RVZ2wVPq/1019191538.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 27, 2019, 12:12:23 AM
A great day today. We had 6 volunteers at AC for a good part of the day. The fires were slow to start, but then we could hardly throw brush on them quick enough after they warmed up. All trees where the Pavilion will be built have been cut. Just a couple on the south side that need to go, plus cut out the road.

This was early, just as the fires started to go, at 8:45am

(https://i.postimg.cc/QMqHYvcm/1026190845.jpg)

Contractor Jeff stopped by and may move a machine in this week to start stumps and levelling. Dwight stayed with me until almost dark, and we moved all logs and wood from the site.

Here are a few 5:55pm pics..

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZqmWcJv0/1026191752a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Kvdk1PZP/1026191753.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SxCXCnsw/1026191754.jpg)

Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on October 27, 2019, 12:52:38 AM
Mike, Jerry Steinke and Dwight Winkley arrived early and got the fires going.  Dave Buczkowski, Stewart Rhine and I joined later.  A few photos...

The view from the doorway of Alna Center station looking west.  Obscured a bit by the front end loader and stone piles, the pavilion will be erected in the opened field beyond, running lengthwise east to west.
(https://i.imgur.com/CgBWFSx.jpg)

A reverse view looking east from the planned western end of the pavilion, looking over the opened field toward the 12.30 p.m. train from Top of Mountain at Alna Center station.  Jerry, Mike and Dwight work the field and fires.  The hardwood logs are a bonus, to perhaps be used for flatcar loads during the Maine Two-Foot Winter photo events in January and February, and definitely for firing steam locomotives next year.
(https://i.imgur.com/z2GBG4I.jpg)

Later in the afternoon, we see one of two large white pines that were dropped.  Jerry works on limbing the tree as Mike tends a fire...
(https://i.imgur.com/WxP0LdL.jpg)

...while Stewart, Dwight and Dave offer emotional support.  I was working hard, taking photos.
(https://i.imgur.com/No711OT.jpg)

The view looking west around 2 p.m., before I had to leave.  Mike operates the Kubota moving hardwood logs, as Jerry tends a fire.
(https://i.imgur.com/59guPp9.jpg)

As the field has opened the past two weekends, I've gotten a sense how nice a most-weather event space this will be.  Another step in making all our station stops a popular public destination.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on October 27, 2019, 01:13:25 AM
Great work by a good team!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on October 27, 2019, 03:33:17 PM
Stewart had the great idea about building a stone fireplace at the western end of the pavilion. Do we have any stone masons among our merry band?
Dave
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on October 27, 2019, 04:32:30 PM
Roger and I are Masons, but not really stone masons.  I can pour foundations, lay brick and block and have designed and built a brick faced block fireplace.  I have have also supervised construction of several hundred feet of stone walls, but never tried it myself. 

 If you want a large fireplace I would recommend an internal block structure with fire brick fire place, clay lined chimney and either brick or stone outer covering.  The final look will be either brick or stone.  Block, fire brick (and brick exterior) and clay chimney liners along with fire resistant mortar mixes are all readily available.  Stone would be best sourced from a commercial provider (I get mine from the local bulk concrete {read big truck concrete} house). 

Constructing with the larger rounded river stone that I see in the Alna area could also be done by picking thru the glacial till that I see delivered around the site, but the construction would be a little more difficult.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on October 27, 2019, 06:39:08 PM
A fireplace is a great idea.

A lifetime ago I was a Mason's Tender -
Mortar for stone was very stiff - and we laid out the facade  on the floor first.

Others can work on the fly, but in the end our way was quicker and looked better
for us.

Stone would be keeping with the era the museum is trying to portray.

   
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on October 27, 2019, 08:13:28 PM
On the third photo of 10/27 there is a white pipe-like structure in the background.  Is that the framework for some sort of tent shelter?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 27, 2019, 08:48:59 PM
It is indeed the framework for our tent. The Pavilion will replace the need for that tent at Alna Center, as well as a large tent rented for concerts.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on October 30, 2019, 09:19:12 PM
As I remember, the pavilion was pretty tall (needed for ship construction).  Will it be rebuilt as high as it was or brought down a little closer to earth?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 30, 2019, 10:28:54 PM
We discussed that, but not sure if we ever came to a conclusive height. Maybe I should bring that up at the next meeting.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on October 30, 2019, 11:39:52 PM
IMHO - keep it as it is.  The space it creates is great and will be better for concert events.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on October 31, 2019, 01:33:24 AM
As one who helped take down the pavilion, I agree!!  The spaciousness of the height is one of the attractive features of the pavilion.

As for acoustics, who knows but it probably does not matter outdoors anyway...
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 31, 2019, 03:25:00 AM
Yes, keep the height the same.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on October 31, 2019, 11:36:55 AM
There will be quite a little damage and adjustment cutting on the posts.
The posts were not all the same height where it was before as the ground was not completely level, but they were close.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 02, 2019, 08:18:22 PM
Fred and I did the rest of the cutting today between loading flats.

Standing in the field looking through the opening to the Pavilion site. AC station is to the left

(https://i.postimg.cc/7LfWBvwd/1102191457.jpg)

Looking out from the site

(https://i.postimg.cc/Cxv2HMTb/1102191458a.jpg)

Southwest corner looking at the trees left behind the Santa Shack

(https://i.postimg.cc/Jz7gkDg1/1102191458b.jpg)

And we have saved logs for the photo charter this winter..

(https://i.postimg.cc/J45v0cp6/1102191457_Burst01.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on November 03, 2019, 11:41:58 AM
We took out One large trailer load of oak firewood and One half load. This year we cut everything to sixteen inch length, and if we can get the wood splitter out of the garage, I will split some of it. There is some heavy things in the way.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 10, 2019, 01:53:36 AM
I cut the last 2 trees this morning, ready for Contractor Jeff. The Kubota was cold, and I an thinking the battery is undersized, and would not start. Tried jumping it off of the loader, but no go. I wanted to get the trees out of the way, so I used the loader.

(https://i.postimg.cc/cL9fsn0P/1109191050.jpg)

Jeff showed up with his newest acqusition and made quick work of the site.

(https://i.postimg.cc/0NzDryNj/1109191426.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/DwMbV3cT/1109191426a.jpg)

Jeff set the top soil aside to use as a backer to the gravel pad, and have a slope down to the original elevation.

(https://i.postimg.cc/ryN0Vr9g/1109191434.jpg)

Looking from the Station. I used the station to block the sun, because my phones camera lens is still scratched.

(https://i.postimg.cc/x1CbF1M5/1109191436.jpg)

End of day, stumps are stacked..

(https://i.postimg.cc/Yq24hCn7/1109191500.jpg)

As of 3pm Saturday

(https://i.postimg.cc/zv8ywzqn/1109191500a.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 16, 2019, 11:08:09 PM
Contractor Jeff making short work of the site.

(https://i.postimg.cc/YSjrTNqb/1116190839.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/KYVGbK1F/1116190844.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jSMq83KD/1116190844-Burst01.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on November 17, 2019, 12:12:14 AM
Looks a bit colder than the last time I was up two weeks ago.

Thanks for the photos Mike.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 17, 2019, 12:18:43 AM
Yes, the ground was solid..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 24, 2019, 08:47:36 PM
I have been stock piling items to continue the ground work. We are pouring our own pilings, which is a little crazy this time of year but we can do it. To have them made was just too expensive.

So, here is one of the sonotubes. There are 18 of them. I drilled 4 holes in them, marked them with the cross or an x, for a strand of wire to run through. The wire will hold 2 pieces of rebar vertically within the tube. Rebar is probably overkill, but we are only doing this once..

(https://i.postimg.cc/sXvcYbQR/1124191203.jpg)

This next picture shows all 18 sonotubes, some are inside others, 36 pieces of rebar that I cut to specific lengths (out of 18-10 foot sections) and 15 out of 18 of the post bases. These post bases are the kind you place in wet cement, and then after bolting the post to the base the joint is very solid, rather than a single bolt down through a plate that may flex. This style was chosen for added strength.

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJDh8dJm/1124191619a.jpg)

Due in this week are bases for some of the sonotubes. These add to the amount of cement needed to bring the total to about 4.5 yards. All this adds up to one solid base for the pavilion, and strength enough to any possible changes it may go through over the next few years.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 25, 2019, 01:46:22 AM
Looks like No.4 rebar, are doing the right thing.
Lucky the pilings are short.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 25, 2019, 12:19:10 PM
I have probably missed an earlier post, but have the holes for the pilings been dug?

Jeff  S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 25, 2019, 01:11:48 PM
Not yet Jeff. Did not want them dug too soon. Digging in mostly gravel that contractor Jeff brought in to build it up. Digging them and installing sonotubes Friday/Saturday this week. Hoping for a Saturday cement delivery on 12/7.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 25, 2019, 09:24:51 PM
Thanks, Mike. I take it that there is reasonable access for the cement truck?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 26, 2019, 12:40:24 AM
Yes. We will have to leave a post out for him (or her) to access, then put it in after the others are poured. Probably will not be done by truck. 4 bags of cement and a wheel barrow..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 26, 2019, 02:40:24 AM
Couldn't the last post be poured after passing on the way out?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 26, 2019, 08:24:45 AM
 I don't want to dig the hole and set the form until after the truck is out. That would make the ground soft and pot the tube in the way.  The posts are 10 ft center to center, which does not leave any room for an 8'6 wide truck to pass through, let alone have to turn to be within the building. As it is now, he will have to pour half, then turn around to pour the remainder.

 If the guy is willing to wait, I will dig it and put the tube in. But, I anticipate that after he has filled the other 17, that he won't want to wait.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 26, 2019, 12:32:49 PM
I hope there will be photos when the pouring occurs.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 26, 2019, 02:35:08 PM
I was starting to get nervous. I was having trouble finding a company still working Saturdays. Luckily, State Sand from Belfast is still available.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 27, 2019, 09:11:35 PM
And to add to the stack of stuff in ROWMOW World HQ shop, these arrived today.

(https://i.postimg.cc/x19yqLzB/1127191641.jpg)

They are bases that will go under some of the sonotubes, adding to the height. I plan on using these all on the south side where the fill is deepest, as well as 2 or 3 of the eastern most (trackside) of the north side.

Assembled look like this.

(https://i.postimg.cc/8PRm1Zjh/1127191643.jpg)

I decided to remove the excess top that we will not need. These are stepped out for 8" and 10" sonotubes, and the taper could have caught some cement and made a void.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Dykck9yv/1127191656.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 27, 2019, 09:57:50 PM
Mike,

You are so wise in the proper ways of construction.  Also, a good move to remove the excess top to avoid the possibility of voids (we always want to avoid voids). 

When at work we built our two story brick engineering building we used these bell footers on all the piers that supported the building which was built on 30 feet of un-compacted fill.  With the increased bottom foot weight spread we had no settling.  Of course they were also really deep in the ground.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 30, 2019, 12:23:23 AM
I showed up to AC this morning and found it looking like this. Very pleased. Well worth the money we pay Contractor Jeff.

(https://i.postimg.cc/1X786WBC/1129190742.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/gcgXfJpV/1129190742a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/1tPVZV4H/1129190743.jpg)

Well, with help this morning from Fred squaring up the building, then from James and Dwight, I got 7 posts in. 5 of which have the big bases.

First hole.

(https://i.postimg.cc/pX1jnd1W/1129191011.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8CLf3mkc/1129191043a.jpg)

Meanwhile, Fred got bored and went and got some saws.

(https://i.postimg.cc/XJ8GNNC0/1129191043.jpg)

I started putting in the second one and almost quit, but after some thought decided to keep going. Why almost quit? Well, this is why.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Z5GyVMSX/1129191058.jpg)

End of day. I put these blocks in place to serve 2 purposes. First will be to cover the holes for a week. I have rolls of plastic that will cover the holes. Next weekend they will support a 4x4 that will be holding up the post base.

(https://i.postimg.cc/1RBwsBGN/1129191550.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/DyzsZG6p/1129191551.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/YCGWNwJ1/1129191551-Burst01.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on November 30, 2019, 12:47:09 AM
Meanwhile, Fred got bored and went and got some saws.

We need to find some more trees for Fred to cut this winter or there'll be trouble, although he did keep a crew quite busy this past early spring splitting fallen hardwood for locomotive firing.  There's certainly plenty more hardwood to be split from the trees cut down this fall for the pavilion.

Great photos.  Thanks Mike.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on November 30, 2019, 01:18:56 AM
Why big bases on only some of the posts, did you hit some big rocks? The site looks great.
Mike N.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 30, 2019, 01:47:00 AM
Bigger bases where there is more fill. The others should be close to the hard pan, also known as blue clay.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 30, 2019, 09:39:44 PM
And the rebar looks more like #3 (3/8") diameter.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 01, 2019, 12:09:03 AM
So, Mother Nature has kicked my butt. The ground went from workable to frozen solid in one day. I was unable to dig before lunch due to the frozen ground, and the Kubota not wanting to work properly.

So after lunch, we got 2 more tubes in for a total of 9.

As long as we can get the cement poured, we will be able to build 30 feet of building over the winter. Not much other choice. Unless it comes off warm for a few days.

(https://i.postimg.cc/8CTB853G/1130191513.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/6QzVBKJv/1130191513a.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on December 01, 2019, 02:49:57 AM
Dave B. shovels Saturday afternoon while Mike operates the Kubota, back filling one of the sonnet tubes.
(https://i.imgur.com/BVqQUHA.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 01, 2019, 03:40:06 AM
As long as we can get the cement poured, we will be able to build 30 feet of building over the winter.
As a general reference, the original pavilion structure is 30ft x 80ft.

I couldn't remember ::) the pavilion size, so I went looking for the 'disassembly' thread. Once I found that thread, I decided I would post that link here, but just before I did that, I saw that  in the first post of this thread Ed had already posted links to not only the disassembly thread (which has photos), but also other pavilion links.   ;D

So this a reminder that links to all kinds of pavilion data can be found in post #1, or here is a direct link to post #1:
http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3462.0.html (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3462.0.html)



Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on December 01, 2019, 05:24:24 AM
The grave digger in Houston Mn hand dug all winter. Even when it had been more than 20 below. Granted it is lighter soil down there.

He would start a large fire and cover it with old roof tin to drive the heat down. He would keep it burning
a couple of days. This was 20YA - don't know if he is still doing it (Paid for his kids's college)

With the snow coming this week don't think it is practicable but a thought - couple - three hours should do it?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 01, 2019, 01:13:39 PM
Yes Graham, 30x80, with posts about 10 feet apart (9' 11", to keep the outside lengthwise dimension at 80'). There was supposed to be blue prints someplace, but we haven't seen them yet so guessing going by what I was told, measuring the trusses, and Brendans pictures.

Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on December 02, 2019, 12:07:20 AM
The pavilion at Maine Maritime was to cover the restoration of Schooner Mary E.  That was successful and we were offered the pavilion.  We don't need the full 80' length of that original.  Mike can tell us how we arrived at the shortened length for AC.

BTW, everyone should plan a visit to the Maine Maritime Museum in Bath.  It is fantastic...
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 02, 2019, 12:41:17 AM
I'm pretty sure that Mike was/is planning to reconstruct the full 30ft wide (width of each individual truss) x 80ft long of the original pavilion.  As the poles are nominally 10ft apart, 18 poles are required for the full structure.   But Mike only got 9 holes dug before the ground froze, and [likely] there are only 4 pairs of 'opposing' pole bases  that can support a truss. So, 4 trusses = 30 linear feet [maximum] of installed roof, until more pole bases can be set in the defrosted ground.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 02, 2019, 01:47:46 AM
Graham, you are paying attention. We have the first 4 sets of holes ready for cement, and I also have the North West corner sonotube ready, but a long ways (50 feet) from the rest of the building.

So, we decided informally yesterday that with 8 holes ready, they are the furthest east toward the railroad, we can assemble that end and even use it. We can then finish the rest of the 80 feet in warmer weather between use of the facility, or possibly even before the first scheduled use. That is what Dave and I had a quick discussion about yesterday, and is the best possible outcome this late in the year.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 02, 2019, 02:30:05 AM
We'll get a warm break after this next storm,  Hopefully it will last long enough to get the rest of the holes and concrete done.  I hope we're leaving an area open for a BBQ pit so we can have the Member's picnic in Alna Center next year.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on December 02, 2019, 10:25:01 AM
I think a pit would have to be on the East end of the building near the rock piles. Probably Three thousand in gravel would be a nice donation for that area so it could be built with plenty of safety around it. That's the only way I think it could be done. I think that type of project should be all donations. The whole project is a learning event for our railroad. Hopefully we'll be able to make 4 or 5 thousand at each event someday I think we've fount out the better known the band the more money we'll make. Live and learn!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 02, 2019, 03:11:33 PM
I think we've fount out the better known the band the more money we'll make. Live and learn!
Given the location by the rock pile, maybe the Rolling Stones would be appropriate?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on December 02, 2019, 03:23:40 PM
I bet we would make money!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on December 02, 2019, 03:28:43 PM
I don't understand,when I mention the word DONATE it gets very quite on this web site. By the way with all that stone,if we filled the "pit" with water we could call it PEBBLE BEACH, We'd make money then.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 02, 2019, 03:40:17 PM
Minor point...the building's round base  forms are known as Sonotubes.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 02, 2019, 04:19:54 PM
I don't understand,when I mention the word DONATE it gets very quite on this web site.

Perhaps I just don't speak "Maine Yankee" :o language properly, but from my perspective the great majority of all the funds that pass through James' various accounts are "donations" of one variety or another.  :)

Gift shop sales and train tickets are  in exchange for goods or services, but membership fees, Annual Fund Drive, grants, donations of equipment (including a certain green tractor 8) ), donations of used books, etc all fall into the "donations" bucket.

Compared to some other groups, it seems to me that the WW&F has done very well in attracting donations.  Of course,  also in my estimation, part of that success in donations is due to the successful and consistent execution of the various WW&F projects.

So a BBQ pit at Alna Center is doable, but as with other projects, there needs to be a cost/benefit evaluation before starting.  Putting time and money towards one particular project generally is a trade-off of some other project.

Just jerking Fred's chain a bit ...  ;D
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 02, 2019, 04:29:13 PM
We live on donations. I think Fred has a great idea. We always have fires at AC during our events, and a fire pit would be a great safe location to have one. In the future of course..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 02, 2019, 04:31:59 PM
Fred,  no problem in donating for the pit but $3k for gravel alone seems a bit much.  All I need is a 10' x 50' area with stone base or DGA (3" depth),  then we'll build a 36" x 40' BBQ pit out of cinder block and we can make the BBQ grates right in the shop.  (angle iron and 1/2x1/2 heavy mesh screen).

I will volunteer to lead the project and will commit funding towards its construction.  Anybody who wants to join the effort just PM me.  But of course, we will need BOD approval for this effort.  (Funding via donations - either monetary or materials)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: James Patten on December 02, 2019, 04:40:07 PM
There's been idle discussion about putting in a fireplace.  I don't know how serious people are about the idea.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on December 02, 2019, 05:44:22 PM
Gravel is very expense now. Believe me!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 02, 2019, 06:04:56 PM
Historical Accuracy Department:
Were there BBQ pits next to the similar structures at Albion?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 02, 2019, 11:37:48 PM
Go to just about any County or Grange Fair in the Country and you will find a BBQ pit next to a pavilion.  Some fancy - some not so much.  Our Grange makes big bucks providing chicken dinners during our annual Grange Fair.  They will BBQ over a 1,000 chicken quarters during a weekend and always sell out.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on December 03, 2019, 01:43:24 AM
could a BBQ pit be concealed or disguised when not in use?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 03, 2019, 01:17:17 PM
Well, unfortunately now the concrete guys won't deliver. Too far to go they are saying. I am not ready to give up yet...just need to schedule a day the week following when I can be there..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on December 03, 2019, 01:26:09 PM
We hope to plow the Averill Road when the snow lets up, the forecast has Alna getting about a foot by tonight. 

Also, we should move the stone that's piled around Santa's shed.  It's blocking where kids wait in line and where we build the bonfire. 
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on December 03, 2019, 02:09:10 PM
I think in Maine most people would like a lobster and corn cookout, that would take a lot smaller fire to cook on. Also we now limit how many people can go to an events. I understand the town was worried about parked cars on Cross Road and on Rt 218. That's why we have tickets now. Also we don't have enough people to help with parking and crowd control, both at Sheepscot and Alna Center. That's all I hear when I ask, can we go back to the old way with big crowds.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 03, 2019, 02:41:03 PM
I think in Maine most people would like a lobster and corn cookout, that would take a lot smaller fire to cook on.
I think that any facilities for food prep at AC should be flexible. I would imagine that caterers (for larger events) will have their own equipment/etc.

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Also we now limit how many people can go to an events. I understand the town was worried about parked cars on Cross Road and on Rt 218. That's why we have tickets now.
The new parking lot was added at the request of the town to specifically address this. Tickets are still needed for certain events to help control capacity. For Victorian Christmas 2019 we had 20,000 interested in tickets. (Yes, 20,000; that is not a typo.) VC train capacity caps out at 900-1000, so tickets are a necessity for popular events that could exceed capacity.

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Also we don't have enough people to help with parking and crowd control, both at Sheepscot and Alna Center.
We can always use more help with crowd control - especially for the evening concerts and dates when two trains are meeting at AC. It would also be great to have an extra brakeman (or car host) on the evening concert trains - as it is a bit much for a single Conductor and Brakeman to manage a full, four-car train with 100+ passengers.

Thanks to the new lot, parking is not as much of an issue, as long as able-bodied volunteers park in the 218/Cross Road field on dates when there large crowds and volunteers expected (such as Fall Work Weekend when Pumpkin Picking trains are also running.)

I'm looking forward to the various events planned for AC in 2020 and beyond. Next year we're planning on hosting four "Music on the Railway" concerts, two evening talks, and at least one high-valued joint fundraiser with Maine Narrow Gauge. This is in addition to the regular Easter Eggspress, Ice Cream Socials, Fall Festival, and Victorian Christmas events - all that use Alna Center. Finally, the event pavilion will allow us to properly host other events, such as weddings, reunions, etc., which could prove to very lucrative to our organization.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on December 03, 2019, 03:00:02 PM
Someday there may be parking just beyond T.O.M. on the land we just purchased once we get tracks down there, then we could have a lot more riders at events. All in good time. Probably, my song will be "AFTER I'M GONE!
..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on December 04, 2019, 03:25:03 AM
All these issues are indeed growing pains associated with our being successful in sponsoring and promoting events!!  We will learn as we go and make fixes where needed.  It's a great challenge to face!

As for BBQ pit/lobster dinner fire, I'm all for that even if it's not quite historically accurate.  It will bring more folks to the railroad. I"m sure we can do it tastefully...
 
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 04, 2019, 12:35:17 PM
Someday there may be parking just beyond T.O.M. on the land we just purchased once we get tracks down there, then we could have a lot more riders at events. All in good time. Probably, my song will be "AFTER I'M GONE!
..
I know this defeats the purpose of the train ride, but we could always improve Avrial (sp?) and have parking there.  It may require us to purchase more land for a parking lot.  Folks who could not get a train / event ticket could purchase an event only ticket. 

It may be a way to take advantage of our success in drawing more folks to our events.

Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 04, 2019, 01:07:50 PM
If the events happening at Alna Center really draw a lot of people, and particularly since these events may include "food" in some fashion, I think a "flush toilet" facility probably should come before a parking lot.

Porta-potties are certainly a big step up from going in the woods, ::) but to achieve real success, we need to attract families. That also means that some of those family members are not necessarily die-hard railfans. Those families are drawn in by the "event", not necessarily just the train itself. After all, that is the reason why we  stage the  events in the first place.  Offering flush toilets and hot/warm water hand washing facilities should be a priority.

When large events are serving food on a commercial scale (vendors etc), in  some states/cities, hand washing facilities for the food handlers with hot water are required.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 04, 2019, 02:21:36 PM
Improved/permanent toilet facilities are part of the Alna Center plans. They should be funded as part of the 2019 Fall Fundraiser. Anyone who wants to ensure that these improvements at Alna Center are enacted should feel free to donate to the drive.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 04, 2019, 07:58:28 PM
After I returned my Fund Drive check, I didn't keep the letter itself, and I don't really recall the specific contents. ::)

If a restroom facility is planned for AC, does that imply that commercial electric power will be run out there too?   I assume that a water well would be needed, so presumably the well pump is not going to be steam powered. :o

Available running water and electric power might have some impact on how a "BBQ pit" would be designed.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 04, 2019, 09:09:45 PM
I should clarify:
The improved facilities currently envisioned were for a solar-powered toilet facility, as can be found at campgrounds, trails, etc.  Anything beyond that would require power, septic, water, etc., and is well-beyond the scope of the current fundraiser or planned improvements.

That said, I suspect the day will come that we do, in fact, have all these amenities at Alna Center; but not anytime soon.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on December 05, 2019, 03:06:36 AM
As I stated elsewhere, I went to a wedding at an "Event Barn".  The facilities were a trailer
with hot/warm water and RV flush toilets. Heated areas about 6X6. I am currently waiting for information about the facility
from the bride. It may or may not be a National organization.  As a rental item it could be on site only for events.
Unfortunately it requires water & electricity - but parked next to Tank Car 14 and a small generator might be all that
is needed.

If it is not a national company it may be a business opportunity for someone in the area.
 
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on December 06, 2019, 01:13:13 AM
There are a lot of them in the Newport RI area. Around here the companies that rent porta johns have them.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on December 07, 2019, 12:41:18 AM
A place to start inquiries.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 07, 2019, 07:40:33 PM
We cut a couple of trees today, the last 2 that were leaning toward the Pavilion site.

Then I piled the ballast. About an hours work, when I stopped for lunch.

(https://i.postimg.cc/PfQrHHwW/1207191127.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/15WmgKM4/1207191130-Burst01.jpg)

End of the day..the kids will love the pile..

(https://i.postimg.cc/L8nHjZ0D/1207191320.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 08, 2019, 01:11:00 PM
That appears to be one massive pile of stone.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 09, 2019, 01:36:20 AM
Dwight sent me this picture he took Saturday of the stacking of the ballast, making room for VC..

(https://i.postimg.cc/rwvQ0cxs/1207191049.png)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 09, 2019, 02:12:34 AM
I don't know Mike;  Are you really stacking ballast or playing King of the Hill?   ;D
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: James Patten on December 09, 2019, 11:09:35 AM
I should have taken a picture of Mike and the loader at 40 degrees or so, climbing the hill of stone to dump more.  See Mike's last picture for an idea of the angle.  I was surprised it could do it.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 11, 2019, 06:23:10 PM
3 yards of cement has been scheduled for 9:30 Friday..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on December 11, 2019, 07:39:03 PM
That's good.  I always thought you shouldn't do concrete work when it is below freezing at night, but I guess it gives off heat as it cures.  Is concrete available in Jan-Feb or do they shut down?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 11, 2019, 07:54:55 PM
I think it's called heat of hydration, the cement reacting with the concrete's water,  useful when the air temp is a little low.
Just keep them thar anchor bases covered til they cure.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 11, 2019, 08:08:15 PM
Some plants shut down for the winter, but larger ones stay open. I talked to one of my friends that used to do concrete, he said not to worry unless below 20, and if covered was good for less than that. It is not ideal doing it in the winter, but it can be done.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 11, 2019, 08:50:46 PM
Hope you asked for a high-early mix as it does better in low temps.  That and insulation blankets......
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 12, 2019, 03:34:41 PM
Yes, high early strength concrete.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 12, 2019, 09:28:59 PM
Pump has been reserved to pump out most of the water in the holes. Temperatures are expected to rise during the day Friday, with rain expected Saturday, heavy at times, and temps above freezing thru Sunday evening.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 14, 2019, 12:04:51 AM
Cement went about as well as can be expected. I pumped as much water out of the tubes as I could, and then put the cement to them.

It was just me and the mixer driver, so these are the during pictures I got. The mixer driver was very good.

(https://i.postimg.cc/C57TZhzR/1213190927.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/tCrGp4Kf/1213190957.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/MZm83Ddz/1213190957a.jpg)

I set the post brackets in before lunch

(https://i.postimg.cc/BQZfrKVH/1213191151.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/FH75RQmK/1213191151a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CxXyn6Ls/1213191152.jpg)

After letting the cement stiffen for almost 5 hours, I returned, wrote 2019 in the North East sonotube, and covered everything with plastic and hay.

(https://i.postimg.cc/0jP12M2g/1213191458a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/MTy8Sbwb/1213191458c.jpg)


Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 14, 2019, 03:52:35 AM
A+, Mike. Glad you had just enough good help.
Now, when da wedder improves, on you go.  :)
Better watch those hay bundles, though. Local critters may mistake 'em for comfy, new condos.  ;D
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 19, 2019, 06:30:09 PM
I have been saving images found on the internet to see how exactly everything was put together. I have figured out most of it. Here are a couple overall pictures.. The first one shows the arrangement of the clear panels. I think we will try to space them evenly, and install them on the south side to let in the most amount of light.

(https://i.postimg.cc/HL00YBTB/Screenshot-2019-12-19-14-00-00.png)

From the water..

(https://i.postimg.cc/Jn1NGZnm/Screenshot-2019-12-19-14-05-43.png)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 19, 2019, 07:35:14 PM
Skylights help take away the dark, dreariness of a good-sized building, aids lighting, just like the car barn.
Great idea.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 19, 2019, 08:13:24 PM
I agree that the natural lighting in the car barn is wonderful. Maybe leave some space for solar panels to provide modest after-hours lighting? Not enough for rock concerts, however. >:(

-John M
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 19, 2019, 08:58:45 PM
John's comment stirs a thought.  Is there a program either sponsored by Maine P&L, the state, or other entity that we could apply for a grant to put solar power into the pavilion project?  Being out of state I don't know what programs are available these days.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 19, 2019, 10:47:05 PM
Solar power brings a whole new level of potential. The one thing I know about solar is there has to be a bank of batteries to be charged, to store the power. I am not sure of cost, or even any grants, but it does have potential.

I had been thinking about commercial power, and how we could do it underground, but would also be costly. We will need to do something, that is for sure.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 19, 2019, 11:15:37 PM
Or the other alternative would be a generator but it would have to be in a "hush" house which in itself is additional cost.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on December 20, 2019, 12:53:09 AM
A lot of the new generators are so quiet you don't need a "hush house" , at most just a screen like a fence panel. And the bigger they are the quieter they get.
Mike Nix
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 20, 2019, 01:44:28 AM
I am thinking long term though. If the time comes for a bathroom, we would need power for that. A waterpump would be the biggest draw..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 20, 2019, 02:00:20 AM
I am thinking long term though. If the time comes for a bathroom, we would need power for that. A waterpump would be the biggest draw..
I think the National Park Service and the Appalachian Mountain Club have extensive experience with wilderness toilet facilities. I volunteer to contact the AMC. However, we should keep in mind that, unlike the typical NPS/AMC application, the pavilion could present a surge load problem.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on December 20, 2019, 02:24:08 AM
A couple of thoughts:

1.  Why not clear panels on both sides of the roof?

2.  Gov Mills is definitely a proponent of solar.  Maybe a special unique appeal to promote solar and tourism!?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 20, 2019, 04:06:40 AM
As an AT 2000 miler hiker I have seen a great many wilderness facilities. Most of the newer ones require a few leaves or ground dunage to be sprinkled after each use.  Users are also expected to urinate outside before going inside for the remainder of their business.

A better source of solutions would be Peace Corps facilities for third world countries.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on December 20, 2019, 04:46:27 AM
Public land managers at the US Forest Service, BLM, National Park Service, etc. make a distinction between "wilderness" (=no vehicular access) and "back country" (=vehicular access but no utilities). I think "back country" toilet facilities would be a better model for AC than "wilderness", since that's essentially what we're dealing with. There are many designs (and vendors) available, even including pre-fab structures that are trucked in and dropped onto a concrete vault. Google "waterless vault toilet". There is no need to reinvent the wheel (or toilet) here. :)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 20, 2019, 12:09:13 PM
The system we would need would have to handle volume and be clean. It would get a lot of use in a short amount of time, then sit for a week.

As far as putting the sky lights on both sides, that is possible. We only have a limited amount, but more could be purchased.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Benjamin Richards on December 20, 2019, 01:20:36 PM
Solar power brings a whole new level of potential.
... there has to be a bank of batteries ... it does have potential.

"Solar power" ... "batteries" ... "potential" ... No one's gonna jump on that?  ;D ;D

Tough crowd today.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on December 20, 2019, 02:38:02 PM
Mike,

I know that here in Maryland, any solar panel installation tied into the grid must be installed by a solar-cell certified electrician, not just any licensed electrician.  If the solar array feeds to a bank of batteries that then run an inverter system to provide 120 Vac, that brings other parts of the National Electrical Code into the review process.  Not saying it can't be done, just saying it might not be as low-cost as some might want... 

Dave Crow
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 20, 2019, 02:47:24 PM
I think what was meant was solar would be low cost versus having to run commercial power overhead and underground all the way from Rt. 218.  I think for the time being, a temporary solution of a generator(s) would be prudent as well as studying the feasibility of solar for the longer run.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 20, 2019, 04:01:35 PM
Sounds like a solar setup might be feasible. Running pole/underground power in for the distance needed would cost multi-THOUSANDS.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 20, 2019, 04:06:25 PM
I'm sorry that I got us started on this solar thing. We should all remember that the reasons we started the pavilion project were 1) it was donated to us, and 2) it would save us the cost and inconvenience of erecting a tent every time we wanted to have an event at AC.
 
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 20, 2019, 04:07:47 PM
The solution Mike has started investigating would not involve running a new line with poles from 218. It's very clever and would be ideal.

There is a recently-convened Alna Center planning committee; all of whom monitor this forum regularly. Feel free to keep the ideas coming - all will be considered as we work through this.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 20, 2019, 04:56:25 PM
A couple of observations concerning the events pavilion. A free-standing solar power system sounds sexy, but someone who knows a whole lot more about such things needs to be consulted. At least at the outset, a generator will be more than adequate to provide power for amplifiers and a couple of lights. I attended one of the music concerts last summer, and the small generator set up 100 feet away from the tent could not be heard. I have seen quite a few food trucks with generators mounted on the back, and they are nearly inaudible when running. In such a large structure, some sort of lighting might be needed to help visitors find their way out after the show, especially in the fall when darkness arrives earlier.

As for toilet facilities, the greater problem is going to be the one of who cares for them. Someone must be responsible for replacing toilet paper and hand sanitizer. Again, composting toilets sound really cool, but who will maintain them? Some serious study and thought needs to go into this before anything happens.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 20, 2019, 09:28:12 PM
Definately some good points Wayne.

As Ed said, I have been brain storming and presented a thought to him a couple of weeks ago. Just one of several ideas. But I want to research it more before I get too excited about it. This is all way down the tracks..

But yes, for now an immediate solution would be a generator. I would like it behind a short wall to help cut the sound down.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on December 20, 2019, 11:42:00 PM
Mike, as to skylights on both sides of the pavilion, that would probably be minimal cost for more long-term inside light.  Just a thought.

Bob
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 21, 2019, 04:00:27 PM
I'd like to suggest that consideration be given to using LED SMD Strip lights for lighting the Pavilion.  Here is a an example product:
https://smile.amazon.com/Flexible-Waterproof-Holiday-Outdoor-Decoration/dp/B075R4X1XL/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=led+strip+light+5050+white&qid=1576944043&sr=8-1 (https://smile.amazon.com/Flexible-Waterproof-Holiday-Outdoor-Decoration/dp/B075R4X1XL/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=led+strip+light+5050+white&qid=1576944043&sr=8-1)
(I'm just using that product listing as an example. I generally buy my LEDs strips from a China Ebay vendor at about 50%-60% of the Amazon price.  One just has to wait longer for delivery)

These are a 5 meter (16.4 ft) strip of individual LEDs mounted to a flexible carrier strip.  They are available in both 12 volt DC and 24 volt DC.  I am using the 24 volt version as "closet" lamps in my house, and also as general lighting in my shop/barn. I came across them initially as a solution to the National Electrical Code restrictions/specifications on closet lighting fixtures (Code requirements are tighter for closets as flammable fabrics are more likely to be in close proximity to light fixtures in closets). Since then I like them enough that I am using them in my shop as replacements for florescent fixtures when the ballast fails.

In terms of the Pavilion, if the decision is made to use solar panels & battery to provide lighting, the 12 volt LED strips would work well. Since they are natively 12 volt DC, no inverter would be needed provide 120VAC from the batteries - just run the LED strips directly off the battery.

If a generator is used, some generators can directly output 12VDC, so that would be an easy setup.   But alternatively, like in my shop and house, 12VDC or 24VDC power supplies (converting from 120VAC) are very suitable.

The LED strips have somewhat of an advantage over LED in a conventional "bulb" form in that while heat is still generated by each LED, the heat is spread out over the full 5 meters of the strip.   One problem that "bulb" type LEDs have is heat dispersion. If the bulb gets too hot - it dies.  Strips do not have that problem.

These strips come with a sticky back foam on the backside, and that mounting system has worked well in my house. In my closets all the strips are mounted on the walls (rather than the closet ceiling) and none of them has come loose in  the 4 years since installation.  However, in my barn the strips were initially stuck to the underside of [dead] flourescent fixtures, and the sticky foam mounts are not reliable in that orientation.  My later iterations are to apply the strips to a 1x2 or 1x3 board with screwed plastic retainers (on a convenient work table), then mount the boards to the ceiling.  That works fine, although applying a bunch of small screwed retainers can be time consuming.    There are aluminum channel mounts available to bypass my retainer method, but I'm too cheap to pay for large quantities of those aluminum channels.  I expect that these strips could be applied permanently  to boards with a swath of 2-part epoxy, but I have not tried that yet.

Since the strips are 5 meters long, it would be convenient to have 5 meter boards to apply the strips to, but 5 meter 1x2s or 1x3 or 1x4s are in short supply in my area.   A reasonable alternative is to use 1x2x8' boards and just cut off the excess LED strip. The strips are cuttable every 6 LEDs in the 24 volt version and every 3 LEDs in the 12 volt version. That is why you see two parallel strips in my photos below - I just make the strip length suit the board I am using.


A couple of photos (these are "thumbnails", so click image to see larger):
(https://i.postimg.cc/dkYV6TdK/LED-Strip-lit-barn.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dkYV6TdK)
A photo of 'lit' dual strips in my recent barn side shed expansion.

(https://i.postimg.cc/jw4dFdQn/LED-Strip-off-barn.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jw4dFdQn)
A closeup showing the LEDS and a couple of 'clear' retainers held in place with screws. (There are also some bigger screws visible mounting the LED board to the ceiling.)

Where I am, carpenter bees are an issue with any exposed wood, so everything, even treated lumber gets a coat of paint to deter the carpenter bees. Since the Pavilion trusses are not painted, and did not appear to be targeted by carpenter bees (maybe not an issue in Maine?) it seems to me that the [unpainted] 1x2 LED boards could be mounted directly to the underside of the trusses (oriented parallel to the trusses).  The LED strips are very unobtrusive when not lit.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 21, 2019, 11:26:34 PM
We moved some material to the Pavilion site today, what was left anyway.

We started with boards and other lumber, waiting on the big forklift to warm up enough to use.

(https://i.postimg.cc/VsDP5dnm/1221191037.jpg)

We got the big forklift running properly and loaded a stack of timbers, planks and the long steel for the roof, as well as the forks for the loader.

(https://i.postimg.cc/SRN0Dh0B/1221191125.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/nz1b4LWK/1221191337.jpg)

And while we were at it, we even moved the Poo-Poo Palace, to get it out of winter photography.

(https://i.postimg.cc/HsnDMd95/1221191330.jpg)

Dwight remarked that the Pavilion site is now an official work site. The Outhouse has landed.

We then returned to Sheepscot and went after the long planks. Not an easy task. Lots of items had been stored in front of them. Tight getting them out. James was guiding me.

(https://i.postimg.cc/K8369fV8/1221191414.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/B63fPFmQ/1221191414a-Burst01.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8PY8B9ZY/1221191414-Burst01.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 22, 2019, 01:01:31 AM
That was a tight squeeze, Mike.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 22, 2019, 01:06:19 AM
That was a tight squeeze, Mike.

Jeff S.
He just commands the tree,"Hey there, tree, move aside an inch or I'll call Fred."
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 22, 2019, 02:17:46 PM
That was a tight squeeze, Mike.

Jeff S.
He just commands the tree,"Hey there, tree, move aside an inch or I'll call Fred."

Was there a chainsaw buzzing in the background? ::)

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 22, 2019, 03:23:45 PM
Going back to the toilets at Alna Center issue, from looking at the forklift/porta-potty photo in a Mike Fox post above, I see that the WW&F is using porta-potties from Ideal Portable Toilets in Wiscasset.   They do not seem to have a standalone website, but they do have a Facebook presence. While I have no Facebook account, I can see enough to recognize that Ideal does have "wedding" units available, and: "Wedding Units have a sink, shelf, and flush!!"  8)

Here is a photo posted there:
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37326242_870914773098224_2627762318561247232_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ohc=FBtdzXwQFzEAQlGeaumX4kdiX2vdFyHwitgcIJIv9rG0pA4pSR3Z9ELtw&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=621aeb6294d85ad6c7cc2a14bc327aec&oe=5EACB402)
I do see a sink, and a flush handle.  :)

If anyone on Facebook would like to see more details, their page is https://www.facebook.com/Ideal-Portable-Toilets-226480740874967/ (https://www.facebook.com/Ideal-Portable-Toilets-226480740874967/) and the post is dated: July 18, 2018
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 24, 2019, 09:10:59 PM
I got the long lumber up to AC today, as well as the short steel roofing and 2x6s for bracing.

The crane truck has also been moved to AC to be ready for use putting up the pieces..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 28, 2019, 11:05:04 PM
What a day! The weather cooperated and we got way more done than I had expected. We got so much done, Fred was even happy.

Here is how it looked at just about 3:15..

(https://i.postimg.cc/SNgFKpy1/1228191524.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/BbgWDr26/1228191535a.jpg)

Now, lets look at how we got there.

First thing this morning, we uncovered all the bases.

(https://i.postimg.cc/W3LxyNnz/1228190919.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jjJGvwyB/1228190919a.jpg)

We then measured each base, determining the height so I knew what length every post had to be.

First one going up with James on the step ladder, Fred and Dwight holding the post.

(https://i.postimg.cc/3rCQPvzT/1228191013.jpg)

THAT'S LUNCH!

(https://i.postimg.cc/1tGbhkCH/1228191112.jpg)

After lunch, we assembled the beams on the saw horses, then lifted into place with Clancy.

(https://i.postimg.cc/L8hdY059/1228191354.jpg)

Dwight poses to give size to the building.

(https://i.postimg.cc/8PpgDCVr/1228191354a.jpg)

Braces on too

(https://i.postimg.cc/zGQsnSHn/1228191417.jpg)

Fred said we could keep working, so we did. About an hour later, I took this photo. Fred is all smiles.

(https://i.postimg.cc/9MyHXRMy/1228191525.jpg)

From over at the Station, the size is showing.. Sorry the image is dark.

(https://i.postimg.cc/2ymR1kbM/1228191535.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on December 29, 2019, 12:09:57 PM
Thanks Mike for the report. With the carbarn extension  and the pavillon reassembly it looks like the WW&F has  turn into a booming building company with skillful and efficient workers. Take a rest guys for the Newyear you deserve it.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 29, 2019, 12:50:15 PM
Backlit photos can difficult at times.

Here I adjusted the color a bit:

(https://i.postimg.cc/FFd7cqKP/Alna-Center-Pavilion2-1228191535.jpg)


Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 29, 2019, 01:35:19 PM
Looks like you've got a good start on things.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 29, 2019, 03:49:42 PM
Outstanding!
There's lots of headroom.
I'll guess, wx cooperating, trusses start going up in a week.

Or less.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 29, 2019, 05:07:52 PM
Jason and I discussed transporting the trusses. I hope to load them Thursday and take north on a flat car. How mant will depend on the weight, because they will be end loading the car. Hoping to take all we need, but if we can only take half, we will make 2 trips.

I am not planning to put any up on Saturday. Instead, I want to build them in sections on the ground. The first section will be the east end, consisting of 3 trusses. The outside truss will be framed on the ground, and attach the flying rafter. It is much easier to do that from the ground. Also, we will start strapping that portion. That will make everything go better after the trusses go up.
Then if the end goes good, we may build sections of 4 trusses, and lift and place those. Otherwise, it will be one truss at a time.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 29, 2019, 06:30:31 PM
This photo from the Pavilion  disassembly thread (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3296.0.html) showing the last 4 trusses on the ground -as a unit- is similar to Mike's plan above:

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_7633.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 02, 2020, 10:53:16 PM
16 Trusses, loaded and ready for a trip North Saturday.

(https://i.postimg.cc/FRXSFn9R/0102201404a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PqwZjkn9/0102201523.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 02, 2020, 11:28:54 PM
Wow! Color me impressed!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 02, 2020, 11:46:19 PM
Holy Guano Batman !!  Maine Power is going to ask us to move transformers for them if we keep this up.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on January 03, 2020, 12:12:46 AM
Once the Pavilion is finished, it might be nice to find a place where some of the history of the 'corn canning factory' similar sheds could be presented, along with some historical photos, and some of the Pavilion's move and reconstruction. Mike's photo of the loaded trusses in Sheepscot, and a similar photo of the trusses arriving in Alna Center by rail 8) would make good candidates for a Pavilion History interpretive board.

Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 03, 2020, 01:15:01 AM
Holy Guano Batman !!  Maine Power is going to ask us to move transformers for them if we keep this up.
speaking of Maine Power and looking at how tall those trusses are it is a good thing that the only power lines we cross under are the high tension ones.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 03, 2020, 01:23:18 AM
15 feet from rail head to peak. We have 3 private lines to cross under, which all *should* be well above that. So we shall peocede slowly under those 3. Janes's way, Sheepscot Mills and Trasks, in that order. I had forgotten about Sheepscot Mills until Jason reminded me.

We could be much lower on the car, but I thought of a way to get some or most of the weight off of the end sill, and used ties to do it. Quite a bit of thought and prep there, and I am in hopes the picture taken when it arrives at AC looks about the same.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Piche on January 03, 2020, 01:47:39 PM
There's a really low branch right in the middle of cockeye curve that's been looking prime since the end of the summer. It definitely looked lower every day I was there so it might not clear 15 feet.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on January 04, 2020, 12:45:54 PM
Hello ! Thanks for the picture of this impressive and outstanding load. An other proof of the obvious usefulness of that railroad. I can't wait for the following pictures.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on January 04, 2020, 03:29:15 PM
There's a really low branch right in the middle of cockeye curve that's been looking prime since the end of the summer. It definitely looked lower every day I was there so it might not clear 15 feet.

We got under it without needing to take it down. The trusses have been delivered to AC. Photos to follow...
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 05, 2020, 12:10:58 AM
After cleaning the yard, some switches and moving 4 cars off the ramp track, we had hooked onto the tallest load ever transported by the railroad, and the first load of 2020. A merry band of shovelers accompanied me, also serving as brakemen when needed.

Onto the Main, Ed has thrown the switch lining the North Yard switch back for the main line. Even though we were the only train on the line and I had signed out as distpatcher, we have a rule stating all switches are to be left lined and locked for the main when left unattended, except the crossover switch at TOM, which is left lined for the siding as a safety. Time is 9:21.

(https://i.postimg.cc/X7VvWbcz/0104200921.jpg)

Making decent progress, we had made it through Jane's Way, Brook Crossing and were approaching Sutters when Ed said there may be a clearance issue. This pine limb was close. If it would have had snow on it, it may have rubbed.

(https://i.postimg.cc/nc0hcP3c/0104200933-Burst01.jpg)

Next up was Bills Branch on Cockeyed curve. I did not take a photo going north, so I stopped and got one going south. The branch is only about 14 feet from the rail head, but I crept up to it, and eased north, and we all watched the branch ride up over the top. Dave was impressed.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QdzNcWL2/0104201038.jpg)

Continuing North, we stopped and cleared the crossing at Sheepscot Mills. We made short work of it, and proceded north again, this time stopping while spanning Humason Brook.

(https://i.postimg.cc/B6TqWY83/0104200949a.jpg)

Alna Center, on the siding. Time is 10:14.

(https://i.postimg.cc/4dkJSkxw/0104201014.jpg)

So, we returned south and had lunch. Back to it after lunch, I was trying to decide the best way and safest way to unload. So Fred suggested this again. Brendan and I talked about this on Thursday, and so it is what we did.

(https://i.postimg.cc/y8xYJyGh/0104201312.jpg)

Fred told Brendan he was needed at Alna Center, so he brought him back and Brendan helped me unload.

(https://i.postimg.cc/g06zskmn/0104201336.jpg)

Brendan ran the Case loader and picked up the bundle. Once we knew it would handle it, I undid the chain and Brendan lugged them over and set them near the trees by the entrance to the site. I unfortunately did not get a picture of that. It was a sight. I moved the crane truck back and picked the bundle up and Dight helped me set them on blocks, then chained them to the tree.

(https://i.postimg.cc/yx777m9Z/0104201424.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on January 05, 2020, 04:46:45 AM
Bravo, guys! A challenging job, well done!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on January 05, 2020, 06:15:17 AM
Thanks for those outstanding pictures of a one-of-a-kind transportation. Even in the thick of winter there is always something amazing going on in Alna. Well done folks.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 05, 2020, 01:35:11 PM
Thanks for the photo documentary. It must have been quite a trip north.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 06, 2020, 12:42:14 AM
A few more photos of the rail trip north for the trusses on Saturday.

Dave Buczkowski poses with his track broom in front of the train just south of Sutter's crossing.  We stopped at every crossing to shovel and verify there was no ice.  The mild weather has been kind so far this winter--no serious ice was found on this trip.
(https://i.imgur.com/zuKZ0Na.jpg)

The train has arrived at Alna Center, and its crew (Dave B., Ed Lecuyer, James Patten, and our engineer Mike Fox) are busy shoveling the crossings.  I was working hard taking photos.  The large mound on the right is the ballast delivered this fall for Spring Work Weekend 3-1/2 months from now.
(https://i.imgur.com/wH1DAYo.jpg)

Here's how far Mike has gotten with the pavilion reassembly, before winter weather ended ground work this season.  The trusses delivered Saturday will be installed over this section of the building.
(https://i.imgur.com/fSxlTON.jpg)

The trusses were unloaded in the afternoon, as Fred supervises.  I had joined James (engineer) and Dave to open the rest of the line to Top of the Mountain, and we had stopped on the return trip to watch the operation. 
(https://i.imgur.com/LmqXT6o.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 06, 2020, 01:14:20 AM
Thanks Bill.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 06, 2020, 01:24:08 AM
So what's the next move for WW&F Constructors, besides starting Alna truss work?

Great work, pics.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 06, 2020, 11:16:00 AM
We will finish this phase of the project then maybe move on to something else before spring, then return to the Pavilion when the ground thaws..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 07, 2020, 04:10:49 PM
I bet youz guys will join the car barn expansion , since there's a May finish deadline.  ;)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 07, 2020, 10:21:46 PM
Made a little more progress today. Fred loves to stay busy, so we kept going..

At lunch, we had 3 ready.

(https://i.postimg.cc/7hL2VKMH/0107201206.jpg)

After lunch, we moved the end truss over, then cut 2 flying rafters and started strapping..

(https://i.postimg.cc/1tBFwkF7/0107201532.jpg)

Depending on weather, I may return Thursday and continue. I hope to have this set done and lift them into place Saturday, then possibly start the next set. The next set will be 5 trusses. I like assembling them on the ground like this because you can pass things up from someone on the ground.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 09, 2020, 06:14:05 PM
Great progress!
Will look even more impressive with a few trusses up.  ;)
Streamlining, easing the work is always desirable.

Am wondering when your 3-axle road trailer will run, especially if more equipment is coming.

Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Benjamin Richards on January 09, 2020, 07:41:45 PM
Am wondering when your 3-axle road trailer will run, especially if more equipment is coming.
Two weeks ago when I dropped by, it was still upside-down with the wheelsets off. I believe it is waiting for some paint:
If someone is looking for something to do, there is the bottom side of the big trailer to paint. Brendan is waiting to reassemble it after it gets done. But we will need it soon so if it is going to get done it should be soon. A quick scrape and paint would be better than nothing.
and
The paint for the trailer is in the garage by the bench. There is a gallon of primer and two gallons of cat yellow.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: James Patten on January 09, 2020, 10:13:36 PM
Way too cold to paint now.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 09, 2020, 11:01:13 PM
Fred and I made great progress today. We started with a trip to Hammond Lumber, hoping it would warm up a little. It did. It warmed from 14 degrees to 16 degrees in about an hour and a half.

With the lumber run over, we got busy. Fred loved to stay busy. We pretty much finished this side before lunch. And here we see Fred getting ready to cut some for the other side.

(https://i.postimg.cc/k4GgLXwx/0109201215.jpg)

We only worked until 2:30, but this is how it looked when we left.

(https://i.postimg.cc/6QYQHGVW/0109201321.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/xd0CyPzp/0109201439.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 09, 2020, 11:06:57 PM
Glad Fred kept you on the straight and narrow today.  Thanks for the photos, Mike.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on January 10, 2020, 04:19:53 PM
Thanks a lot for the pics Mike. You are both weatherproof volunteers. In such a temp and despite the sun everybody would stay home by the fireplace outhere.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 11, 2020, 10:58:48 PM
What a beautiful day for January. We had lots of help this morning, and finished most of the truss work including the wall on the gable before lunch. Fred and HWMNBM brought up some staging and set it up. After lunch, the wind picked up. I decided that the setting of the truss would wait.

So Leon helped me true up a post, and I through bolted it to the base. We then added a plank to the header on the outside on the north header. And I put other bolts in the header. Then, Fred came back and we put on the finish board on the gable.


Here we see Fred and Dwight happy that we loaded the generator and called it a day.

(https://i.postimg.cc/9FXm466z/0111201547.jpg)

And here it is ready to fly

(https://i.postimg.cc/rFh85hTj/0111201547a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/L8nmDz6p/0111201548.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 12, 2020, 01:03:04 PM
Looks good, Mike.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 13, 2020, 11:03:20 PM
Fred and I set up this morning for the great heist. Temp was a raw 23ish degrees.

(https://i.postimg.cc/tJjVMqYb/0113200954.jpg)

Part of the FB team was in the AC station, and he looked over and they were in the air. After a couple of shots for the news feed, he joined us and helped get them in place.

(https://i.postimg.cc/sfYWZhNg/0113201006.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/MHmjkCQQ/0113201017.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/FshLbHMg/0113201123.jpg)

As we headed to lunch.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Yq8mdwkc/0113201154.jpg)

From AC station platform

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZKYWBDNw/0113201247.jpg)

We set the 5th truss. I have a great respect for height, so was very careful climbing around. Sitting on the ridge, I took this photo. Fred is there some place..

(https://i.postimg.cc/66f7QN87/0113201400.jpg)

Back on the ground, looking up at the now 5 trusses in place.

(https://i.postimg.cc/zv732Tsw/0113201423.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PJTPMSRr/0113201442.jpg)

I even got the ceremonial fir tree in place

(https://i.postimg.cc/TwrKmzQ4/0113201443.jpg)

Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John McNamara on January 14, 2020, 12:35:29 AM
I happened to read Mike's post of the "lumber flat" before I got to these pix, and saw the pavilion trusses in the background of the lumber flat shots. I got to say "wow" before I got to this page.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 14, 2020, 12:47:30 AM
I was so busy admiring the load of logs that I totally missed the trusses up in the air in the background!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 14, 2020, 01:24:51 AM
Brilliant progress since Saturday (when a lot was also done).  Surprised by the loss of snow, particularly on the ballast pile--at least 6 inches there Saturday.  We got at best into the mid-50s Saturday at Alna, and I understand Sunday was in the 30s.  Meanwhile back home by Boston it was around 70 both days this weekend.  It snowed a little here today.

"We set the 5th truss. I have a great respect for height, so was very careful climbing around. Sitting on the ridge, I took this photo. Fred is there some place.."  Is that one of Fred's missing chairs to the right of the green house?

Thanks for the photos. Mike.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on January 14, 2020, 01:26:56 AM
I see that the reconstruction of the Pavilion will have a somewhat different 'end wall' for the roof, where the modification protects the wall from the weather better than the original version.  [thumbs up] :)

Here is the original structure:
(http://wordpress.wwfry.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/pavilion.jpg)
In that photo, note how the roof and the end-wall meet without any overhang.

Compare that to this photo Mike posted above:
(https://i.postimg.cc/L8nmDz6p/0111201548.jpg)
In the second photo, you can see that the framing for the vertical end-wall is inset from the edge of the roof.  That provides better weather protection for the wall, and  the extended roof provides a slightly larger 'rain shadow' for those near the edge of the structure when its raining.
 8)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 14, 2020, 03:55:46 AM
I did the same as John. And Wayne.  ;)
Yes, nice, useful eave extension over the setback gable end wall.
I first thought you forgot the little traditional, topping-out pine bush on the ridge cap.
Then I spied it.
Excellent!
 
Ya got class.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 14, 2020, 11:57:55 AM
"We set the 5th truss. I have a great respect for height, so was very careful climbing around. Sitting on the ridge, I took this photo. Fred is there some place.."  Is that one of Fred's missing chairs to the right of the green house?


Yes, Fred found his chairs.

Without all the help Saturday, we would not have gotten done what we have.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 14, 2020, 12:41:37 PM
Impressive work, Mike.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 14, 2020, 11:05:02 PM
Fred and I were at it again today. By lunch, we had 5 more trusses standing up and one side all strapped. I could not keep up with him, as evidenced by the lumber on the saw horses. He keeps saying I'm too fussy..

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZKHwv0WN/0114201145.jpg)

An hour after we returned from lunch, we did had done as much on the other side..this was taken after we had quit for the day.

(https://i.postimg.cc/bwFLLMHN/0114201532.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/DynCz1wF/0114201533.jpg)

We even added new braces to the front. Hard to see in the photo. The untreated 2x4 is just a temporary brace.

(https://i.postimg.cc/66djwMwY/0114201606.jpg)

Not sure when we will set this group up. This weekend is the Grand Reunion photo special and some of the shots are at Alna Center. So the equipment has gone into hiding, and if any work is done Saturday it will be some ladder work or something. Maybe add some braces. Something that does not involve having machinery in the area.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 15, 2020, 01:56:05 AM
It is amazing, simply amazing, how fast things get done, even in the middle of winter with all the Maine cold and snow.

You yous guys (that NY for Y'all) are doing a great job.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on January 16, 2020, 05:28:10 AM
Glad you got the Toping Out Fir in place - got to keep with Tradition.   

Impressive work all around!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 21, 2020, 10:46:46 PM
Fred and I were at it again today. We started off plowing and shoveling, clearing the work area.

And then there were 10..

(https://i.postimg.cc/KcrfNS6b/0121201119-Burst01.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SNSr114M/0121201530.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/hvr0PTLv/0121201550.jpg)

I am hoping to give Fred a birthday present Saturday by setting the last set of trusses.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 21, 2020, 11:36:13 PM
Great progress Mike--Thanks for the photos.

And Happy Birthday Fred.  Some of us will be at the Big E this weekend, so we can't celebrate with you.  If the last trusses get set Saturday, I hope both you and Mike enjoy an extra piece of cake!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John McNamara on January 22, 2020, 02:29:19 AM
I hope both you and Mike enjoy an extra piece of cake!
Hence the expression, "That Fred just takes the cake!"
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 22, 2020, 03:35:00 AM
I hope both you and Mike enjoy an extra piece of cake!
Hence the expression, "That Fred just takes the cake!"
And the quip and pun meinster strikes again....