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Title: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on May 26, 2019, 04:56:49 PM
I am pleased to announce that the Maine Community Foundation has awarded us a $4550 grant to assist in the reassembly of the event pavilion at Alna Center.

For details see:
http://wwfry.org/?p=2458 (http://wwfry.org/?p=2458)

And to learn more about the disassembly of the structure, see:
http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3296.0.html (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3296.0.html)

And (members only) can learn about the location placement decision process at:
http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3315.0.html (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3315.0.html)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on May 26, 2019, 07:23:46 PM
Clearly from the record, there is lots of evidence to support our Pavilion as historically accurate.

(But maybe without electronic sound systems...)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on May 26, 2019, 07:58:20 PM
I hope we leave enough room for a BBQ pit  8)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on September 14, 2019, 01:13:03 PM
I know you have so many "irons in the fire" for this year.  Is the reassembly of this pavilion slated for the 2020 SWW or on a "time as available when available" basis?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 15, 2019, 02:08:47 PM
Roger, planning a solid start right after FWW. If we can get the footers in, we can continue until the weather tells us different.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on September 17, 2019, 11:23:21 PM
Pray for a mild, late winter.
Good luck.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 18, 2019, 08:52:22 AM
If it can get done before Christmas, it would be a wonderful support for Victorian Christmas.  Santa and Christmas market perhaps?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 18, 2019, 09:03:53 AM
I doubt it will be done by Christmas. It took 8 days to take it down, and that was just the building. We have the prep work, ground work and then to construct the building. We will be lucky to have the footers done by Victorian Christmas, as there is a bit of prep to them.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on October 19, 2019, 10:06:41 PM
Work started today on site preparations at Alna Center for the pavilion -- trees were cut down along Averill Road and in the planned footprint for the building.

Dwight Winkley, Fred Morse (both foreground) and Mike Fox (background) work on trees along Averill Road adjacent to the pavilion site.
(https://i.imgur.com/SK9GBVD.jpg)

Fred works...
(https://i.imgur.com/vcXuhqH.jpg)

...While everyone else takes a break.  Alna Center station is in the background.
(https://i.imgur.com/qBSK683.jpg)

Later in the day, attention turned to the location where the pavilion will be placed.
(https://i.imgur.com/4GKeWot.jpg)

Dwight works as the 1.30 train from Sheepscot, about to pass Alna Center station, heads north toward Top of the Mountain.
(https://i.imgur.com/w1S6rLY.jpg)

The pavilion site largely cleared of trees.  The stake in the foreground marks the southeast corner of the pavilion.
(https://i.imgur.com/H69L9Op.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 19, 2019, 10:12:01 PM
Small crew today but great start. A good day next Saturday should get the bulk of it.

The one picture I took today of the site (after we decided the exact location)

(https://i.postimg.cc/RVZ2wVPq/1019191538.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 26, 2019, 09:12:23 PM
A great day today. We had 6 volunteers at AC for a good part of the day. The fires were slow to start, but then we could hardly throw brush on them quick enough after they warmed up. All trees where the Pavilion will be built have been cut. Just a couple on the south side that need to go, plus cut out the road.

This was early, just as the fires started to go, at 8:45am

(https://i.postimg.cc/QMqHYvcm/1026190845.jpg)

Contractor Jeff stopped by and may move a machine in this week to start stumps and levelling. Dwight stayed with me until almost dark, and we moved all logs and wood from the site.

Here are a few 5:55pm pics..

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZqmWcJv0/1026191752a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Kvdk1PZP/1026191753.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SxCXCnsw/1026191754.jpg)

Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on October 26, 2019, 09:52:38 PM
Mike, Jerry Steinke and Dwight Winkley arrived early and got the fires going.  Dave Buczkowski, Stewart Rhine and I joined later.  A few photos...

The view from the doorway of Alna Center station looking west.  Obscured a bit by the front end loader and stone piles, the pavilion will be erected in the opened field beyond, running lengthwise east to west.
(https://i.imgur.com/CgBWFSx.jpg)

A reverse view looking east from the planned western end of the pavilion, looking over the opened field toward the 12.30 p.m. train from Top of Mountain at Alna Center station.  Jerry, Mike and Dwight work the field and fires.  The hardwood logs are a bonus, to perhaps be used for flatcar loads during the Maine Two-Foot Winter photo events in January and February, and definitely for firing steam locomotives next year.
(https://i.imgur.com/z2GBG4I.jpg)

Later in the afternoon, we see one of two large white pines that were dropped.  Jerry works on limbing the tree as Mike tends a fire...
(https://i.imgur.com/WxP0LdL.jpg)

...while Stewart, Dwight and Dave offer emotional support.  I was working hard, taking photos.
(https://i.imgur.com/No711OT.jpg)

The view looking west around 2 p.m., before I had to leave.  Mike operates the Kubota moving hardwood logs, as Jerry tends a fire.
(https://i.imgur.com/59guPp9.jpg)

As the field has opened the past two weekends, I've gotten a sense how nice a most-weather event space this will be.  Another step in making all our station stops a popular public destination.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on October 26, 2019, 10:13:25 PM
Great work by a good team!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on October 27, 2019, 12:33:17 PM
Stewart had the great idea about building a stone fireplace at the western end of the pavilion. Do we have any stone masons among our merry band?
Dave
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on October 27, 2019, 01:32:30 PM
Roger and I are Masons, but not really stone masons.  I can pour foundations, lay brick and block and have designed and built a brick faced block fireplace.  I have have also supervised construction of several hundred feet of stone walls, but never tried it myself. 

 If you want a large fireplace I would recommend an internal block structure with fire brick fire place, clay lined chimney and either brick or stone outer covering.  The final look will be either brick or stone.  Block, fire brick (and brick exterior) and clay chimney liners along with fire resistant mortar mixes are all readily available.  Stone would be best sourced from a commercial provider (I get mine from the local bulk concrete {read big truck concrete} house). 

Constructing with the larger rounded river stone that I see in the Alna area could also be done by picking thru the glacial till that I see delivered around the site, but the construction would be a little more difficult.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on October 27, 2019, 03:39:08 PM
A fireplace is a great idea.

A lifetime ago I was a Mason's Tender -
Mortar for stone was very stiff - and we laid out the facade  on the floor first.

Others can work on the fly, but in the end our way was quicker and looked better
for us.

Stone would be keeping with the era the museum is trying to portray.

   
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on October 27, 2019, 05:13:28 PM
On the third photo of 10/27 there is a white pipe-like structure in the background.  Is that the framework for some sort of tent shelter?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 27, 2019, 05:48:59 PM
It is indeed the framework for our tent. The Pavilion will replace the need for that tent at Alna Center, as well as a large tent rented for concerts.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on October 30, 2019, 06:19:12 PM
As I remember, the pavilion was pretty tall (needed for ship construction).  Will it be rebuilt as high as it was or brought down a little closer to earth?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 30, 2019, 07:28:54 PM
We discussed that, but not sure if we ever came to a conclusive height. Maybe I should bring that up at the next meeting.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on October 30, 2019, 08:39:52 PM
IMHO - keep it as it is.  The space it creates is great and will be better for concert events.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on October 30, 2019, 10:33:24 PM
As one who helped take down the pavilion, I agree!!  The spaciousness of the height is one of the attractive features of the pavilion.

As for acoustics, who knows but it probably does not matter outdoors anyway...
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on October 31, 2019, 12:25:00 AM
Yes, keep the height the same.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on October 31, 2019, 08:36:55 AM
There will be quite a little damage and adjustment cutting on the posts.
The posts were not all the same height where it was before as the ground was not completely level, but they were close.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 02, 2019, 05:18:22 PM
Fred and I did the rest of the cutting today between loading flats.

Standing in the field looking through the opening to the Pavilion site. AC station is to the left

(https://i.postimg.cc/7LfWBvwd/1102191457.jpg)

Looking out from the site

(https://i.postimg.cc/Cxv2HMTb/1102191458a.jpg)

Southwest corner looking at the trees left behind the Santa Shack

(https://i.postimg.cc/Jz7gkDg1/1102191458b.jpg)

And we have saved logs for the photo charter this winter..

(https://i.postimg.cc/J45v0cp6/1102191457_Burst01.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on November 03, 2019, 08:41:58 AM
We took out One large trailer load of oak firewood and One half load. This year we cut everything to sixteen inch length, and if we can get the wood splitter out of the garage, I will split some of it. There is some heavy things in the way.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 09, 2019, 10:53:36 PM
I cut the last 2 trees this morning, ready for Contractor Jeff. The Kubota was cold, and I an thinking the battery is undersized, and would not start. Tried jumping it off of the loader, but no go. I wanted to get the trees out of the way, so I used the loader.

(https://i.postimg.cc/cL9fsn0P/1109191050.jpg)

Jeff showed up with his newest acqusition and made quick work of the site.

(https://i.postimg.cc/0NzDryNj/1109191426.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/DwMbV3cT/1109191426a.jpg)

Jeff set the top soil aside to use as a backer to the gravel pad, and have a slope down to the original elevation.

(https://i.postimg.cc/ryN0Vr9g/1109191434.jpg)

Looking from the Station. I used the station to block the sun, because my phones camera lens is still scratched.

(https://i.postimg.cc/x1CbF1M5/1109191436.jpg)

End of day, stumps are stacked..

(https://i.postimg.cc/Yq24hCn7/1109191500.jpg)

As of 3pm Saturday

(https://i.postimg.cc/zv8ywzqn/1109191500a.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 16, 2019, 08:08:09 PM
Contractor Jeff making short work of the site.

(https://i.postimg.cc/YSjrTNqb/1116190839.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/KYVGbK1F/1116190844.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jSMq83KD/1116190844-Burst01.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on November 16, 2019, 09:12:14 PM
Looks a bit colder than the last time I was up two weeks ago.

Thanks for the photos Mike.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 16, 2019, 09:18:43 PM
Yes, the ground was solid..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 24, 2019, 05:47:36 PM
I have been stock piling items to continue the ground work. We are pouring our own pilings, which is a little crazy this time of year but we can do it. To have them made was just too expensive.

So, here is one of the sonotubes. There are 18 of them. I drilled 4 holes in them, marked them with the cross or an x, for a strand of wire to run through. The wire will hold 2 pieces of rebar vertically within the tube. Rebar is probably overkill, but we are only doing this once..

(https://i.postimg.cc/sXvcYbQR/1124191203.jpg)

This next picture shows all 18 sonotubes, some are inside others, 36 pieces of rebar that I cut to specific lengths (out of 18-10 foot sections) and 15 out of 18 of the post bases. These post bases are the kind you place in wet cement, and then after bolting the post to the base the joint is very solid, rather than a single bolt down through a plate that may flex. This style was chosen for added strength.

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJDh8dJm/1124191619a.jpg)

Due in this week are bases for some of the sonotubes. These add to the amount of cement needed to bring the total to about 4.5 yards. All this adds up to one solid base for the pavilion, and strength enough to any possible changes it may go through over the next few years.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 24, 2019, 10:46:22 PM
Looks like No.4 rebar, are doing the right thing.
Lucky the pilings are short.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 25, 2019, 09:19:10 AM
I have probably missed an earlier post, but have the holes for the pilings been dug?

Jeff  S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 25, 2019, 10:11:48 AM
Not yet Jeff. Did not want them dug too soon. Digging in mostly gravel that contractor Jeff brought in to build it up. Digging them and installing sonotubes Friday/Saturday this week. Hoping for a Saturday cement delivery on 12/7.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 25, 2019, 06:24:51 PM
Thanks, Mike. I take it that there is reasonable access for the cement truck?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 25, 2019, 09:40:24 PM
Yes. We will have to leave a post out for him (or her) to access, then put it in after the others are poured. Probably will not be done by truck. 4 bags of cement and a wheel barrow..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 25, 2019, 11:40:24 PM
Couldn't the last post be poured after passing on the way out?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 26, 2019, 05:24:45 AM
 I don't want to dig the hole and set the form until after the truck is out. That would make the ground soft and pot the tube in the way.  The posts are 10 ft center to center, which does not leave any room for an 8'6 wide truck to pass through, let alone have to turn to be within the building. As it is now, he will have to pour half, then turn around to pour the remainder.

 If the guy is willing to wait, I will dig it and put the tube in. But, I anticipate that after he has filled the other 17, that he won't want to wait.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on November 26, 2019, 09:32:49 AM
I hope there will be photos when the pouring occurs.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 26, 2019, 11:35:08 AM
I was starting to get nervous. I was having trouble finding a company still working Saturdays. Luckily, State Sand from Belfast is still available.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 27, 2019, 06:11:35 PM
And to add to the stack of stuff in ROWMOW World HQ shop, these arrived today.

(https://i.postimg.cc/x19yqLzB/1127191641.jpg)

They are bases that will go under some of the sonotubes, adding to the height. I plan on using these all on the south side where the fill is deepest, as well as 2 or 3 of the eastern most (trackside) of the north side.

Assembled look like this.

(https://i.postimg.cc/8PRm1Zjh/1127191643.jpg)

I decided to remove the excess top that we will not need. These are stepped out for 8" and 10" sonotubes, and the taper could have caught some cement and made a void.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Dykck9yv/1127191656.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on November 27, 2019, 06:57:50 PM
Mike,

You are so wise in the proper ways of construction.  Also, a good move to remove the excess top to avoid the possibility of voids (we always want to avoid voids). 

When at work we built our two story brick engineering building we used these bell footers on all the piers that supported the building which was built on 30 feet of un-compacted fill.  With the increased bottom foot weight spread we had no settling.  Of course they were also really deep in the ground.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 29, 2019, 09:23:23 PM
I showed up to AC this morning and found it looking like this. Very pleased. Well worth the money we pay Contractor Jeff.

(https://i.postimg.cc/1X786WBC/1129190742.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/gcgXfJpV/1129190742a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/1tPVZV4H/1129190743.jpg)

Well, with help this morning from Fred squaring up the building, then from James and Dwight, I got 7 posts in. 5 of which have the big bases.

First hole.

(https://i.postimg.cc/pX1jnd1W/1129191011.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8CLf3mkc/1129191043a.jpg)

Meanwhile, Fred got bored and went and got some saws.

(https://i.postimg.cc/XJ8GNNC0/1129191043.jpg)

I started putting in the second one and almost quit, but after some thought decided to keep going. Why almost quit? Well, this is why.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Z5GyVMSX/1129191058.jpg)

End of day. I put these blocks in place to serve 2 purposes. First will be to cover the holes for a week. I have rolls of plastic that will cover the holes. Next weekend they will support a 4x4 that will be holding up the post base.

(https://i.postimg.cc/1RBwsBGN/1129191550.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/DyzsZG6p/1129191551.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/YCGWNwJ1/1129191551-Burst01.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on November 29, 2019, 09:47:09 PM
Meanwhile, Fred got bored and went and got some saws.

We need to find some more trees for Fred to cut this winter or there'll be trouble, although he did keep a crew quite busy this past early spring splitting fallen hardwood for locomotive firing.  There's certainly plenty more hardwood to be split from the trees cut down this fall for the pavilion.

Great photos.  Thanks Mike.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on November 29, 2019, 10:18:56 PM
Why big bases on only some of the posts, did you hit some big rocks? The site looks great.
Mike N.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 29, 2019, 10:47:00 PM
Bigger bases where there is more fill. The others should be close to the hard pan, also known as blue clay.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on November 30, 2019, 06:39:44 PM
And the rebar looks more like #3 (3/8") diameter.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on November 30, 2019, 09:09:03 PM
So, Mother Nature has kicked my butt. The ground went from workable to frozen solid in one day. I was unable to dig before lunch due to the frozen ground, and the Kubota not wanting to work properly.

So after lunch, we got 2 more tubes in for a total of 9.

As long as we can get the cement poured, we will be able to build 30 feet of building over the winter. Not much other choice. Unless it comes off warm for a few days.

(https://i.postimg.cc/8CTB853G/1130191513.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/6QzVBKJv/1130191513a.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on November 30, 2019, 11:49:57 PM
Dave B. shovels Saturday afternoon while Mike operates the Kubota, back filling one of the sonnet tubes.
(https://i.imgur.com/BVqQUHA.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 01, 2019, 12:40:06 AM
As long as we can get the cement poured, we will be able to build 30 feet of building over the winter.
As a general reference, the original pavilion structure is 30ft x 80ft.

I couldn't remember ::) the pavilion size, so I went looking for the 'disassembly' thread. Once I found that thread, I decided I would post that link here, but just before I did that, I saw that  in the first post of this thread Ed had already posted links to not only the disassembly thread (which has photos), but also other pavilion links.   ;D

So this a reminder that links to all kinds of pavilion data can be found in post #1, or here is a direct link to post #1:
http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3462.0.html (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3462.0.html)



Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on December 01, 2019, 02:24:24 AM
The grave digger in Houston Mn hand dug all winter. Even when it had been more than 20 below. Granted it is lighter soil down there.

He would start a large fire and cover it with old roof tin to drive the heat down. He would keep it burning
a couple of days. This was 20YA - don't know if he is still doing it (Paid for his kids's college)

With the snow coming this week don't think it is practicable but a thought - couple - three hours should do it?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 01, 2019, 10:13:39 AM
Yes Graham, 30x80, with posts about 10 feet apart (9' 11", to keep the outside lengthwise dimension at 80'). There was supposed to be blue prints someplace, but we haven't seen them yet so guessing going by what I was told, measuring the trusses, and Brendans pictures.

Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on December 01, 2019, 09:07:20 PM
The pavilion at Maine Maritime was to cover the restoration of Schooner Mary E.  That was successful and we were offered the pavilion.  We don't need the full 80' length of that original.  Mike can tell us how we arrived at the shortened length for AC.

BTW, everyone should plan a visit to the Maine Maritime Museum in Bath.  It is fantastic...
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 01, 2019, 09:41:17 PM
I'm pretty sure that Mike was/is planning to reconstruct the full 30ft wide (width of each individual truss) x 80ft long of the original pavilion.  As the poles are nominally 10ft apart, 18 poles are required for the full structure.   But Mike only got 9 holes dug before the ground froze, and [likely] there are only 4 pairs of 'opposing' pole bases  that can support a truss. So, 4 trusses = 30 linear feet [maximum] of installed roof, until more pole bases can be set in the defrosted ground.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 01, 2019, 10:47:46 PM
Graham, you are paying attention. We have the first 4 sets of holes ready for cement, and I also have the North West corner sonotube ready, but a long ways (50 feet) from the rest of the building.

So, we decided informally yesterday that with 8 holes ready, they are the furthest east toward the railroad, we can assemble that end and even use it. We can then finish the rest of the 80 feet in warmer weather between use of the facility, or possibly even before the first scheduled use. That is what Dave and I had a quick discussion about yesterday, and is the best possible outcome this late in the year.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 01, 2019, 11:30:05 PM
We'll get a warm break after this next storm,  Hopefully it will last long enough to get the rest of the holes and concrete done.  I hope we're leaving an area open for a BBQ pit so we can have the Member's picnic in Alna Center next year.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on December 02, 2019, 07:25:01 AM
I think a pit would have to be on the East end of the building near the rock piles. Probably Three thousand in gravel would be a nice donation for that area so it could be built with plenty of safety around it. That's the only way I think it could be done. I think that type of project should be all donations. The whole project is a learning event for our railroad. Hopefully we'll be able to make 4 or 5 thousand at each event someday I think we've fount out the better known the band the more money we'll make. Live and learn!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 02, 2019, 12:11:33 PM
I think we've fount out the better known the band the more money we'll make. Live and learn!
Given the location by the rock pile, maybe the Rolling Stones would be appropriate?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on December 02, 2019, 12:23:40 PM
I bet we would make money!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on December 02, 2019, 12:28:43 PM
I don't understand,when I mention the word DONATE it gets very quite on this web site. By the way with all that stone,if we filled the "pit" with water we could call it PEBBLE BEACH, We'd make money then.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 02, 2019, 12:40:17 PM
Minor point...the building's round base  forms are known as Sonotubes.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 02, 2019, 01:19:54 PM
I don't understand,when I mention the word DONATE it gets very quite on this web site.

Perhaps I just don't speak "Maine Yankee" :o language properly, but from my perspective the great majority of all the funds that pass through James' various accounts are "donations" of one variety or another.  :)

Gift shop sales and train tickets are  in exchange for goods or services, but membership fees, Annual Fund Drive, grants, donations of equipment (including a certain green tractor 8) ), donations of used books, etc all fall into the "donations" bucket.

Compared to some other groups, it seems to me that the WW&F has done very well in attracting donations.  Of course,  also in my estimation, part of that success in donations is due to the successful and consistent execution of the various WW&F projects.

So a BBQ pit at Alna Center is doable, but as with other projects, there needs to be a cost/benefit evaluation before starting.  Putting time and money towards one particular project generally is a trade-off of some other project.

Just jerking Fred's chain a bit ...  ;D
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 02, 2019, 01:29:13 PM
We live on donations. I think Fred has a great idea. We always have fires at AC during our events, and a fire pit would be a great safe location to have one. In the future of course..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 02, 2019, 01:31:59 PM
Fred,  no problem in donating for the pit but $3k for gravel alone seems a bit much.  All I need is a 10' x 50' area with stone base or DGA (3" depth),  then we'll build a 36" x 40' BBQ pit out of cinder block and we can make the BBQ grates right in the shop.  (angle iron and 1/2x1/2 heavy mesh screen).

I will volunteer to lead the project and will commit funding towards its construction.  Anybody who wants to join the effort just PM me.  But of course, we will need BOD approval for this effort.  (Funding via donations - either monetary or materials)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: James Patten on December 02, 2019, 01:40:07 PM
There's been idle discussion about putting in a fireplace.  I don't know how serious people are about the idea.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on December 02, 2019, 02:44:22 PM
Gravel is very expense now. Believe me!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 02, 2019, 03:04:56 PM
Historical Accuracy Department:
Were there BBQ pits next to the similar structures at Albion?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 02, 2019, 08:37:48 PM
Go to just about any County or Grange Fair in the Country and you will find a BBQ pit next to a pavilion.  Some fancy - some not so much.  Our Grange makes big bucks providing chicken dinners during our annual Grange Fair.  They will BBQ over a 1,000 chicken quarters during a weekend and always sell out.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on December 02, 2019, 10:43:24 PM
could a BBQ pit be concealed or disguised when not in use?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 03, 2019, 10:17:17 AM
Well, unfortunately now the concrete guys won't deliver. Too far to go they are saying. I am not ready to give up yet...just need to schedule a day the week following when I can be there..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on December 03, 2019, 10:26:09 AM
We hope to plow the Averill Road when the snow lets up, the forecast has Alna getting about a foot by tonight. 

Also, we should move the stone that's piled around Santa's shed.  It's blocking where kids wait in line and where we build the bonfire. 
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on December 03, 2019, 11:09:10 AM
I think in Maine most people would like a lobster and corn cookout, that would take a lot smaller fire to cook on. Also we now limit how many people can go to an events. I understand the town was worried about parked cars on Cross Road and on Rt 218. That's why we have tickets now. Also we don't have enough people to help with parking and crowd control, both at Sheepscot and Alna Center. That's all I hear when I ask, can we go back to the old way with big crowds.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 03, 2019, 11:41:03 AM
I think in Maine most people would like a lobster and corn cookout, that would take a lot smaller fire to cook on.
I think that any facilities for food prep at AC should be flexible. I would imagine that caterers (for larger events) will have their own equipment/etc.

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Also we now limit how many people can go to an events. I understand the town was worried about parked cars on Cross Road and on Rt 218. That's why we have tickets now.
The new parking lot was added at the request of the town to specifically address this. Tickets are still needed for certain events to help control capacity. For Victorian Christmas 2019 we had 20,000 interested in tickets. (Yes, 20,000; that is not a typo.) VC train capacity caps out at 900-1000, so tickets are a necessity for popular events that could exceed capacity.

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Also we don't have enough people to help with parking and crowd control, both at Sheepscot and Alna Center.
We can always use more help with crowd control - especially for the evening concerts and dates when two trains are meeting at AC. It would also be great to have an extra brakeman (or car host) on the evening concert trains - as it is a bit much for a single Conductor and Brakeman to manage a full, four-car train with 100+ passengers.

Thanks to the new lot, parking is not as much of an issue, as long as able-bodied volunteers park in the 218/Cross Road field on dates when there large crowds and volunteers expected (such as Fall Work Weekend when Pumpkin Picking trains are also running.)

I'm looking forward to the various events planned for AC in 2020 and beyond. Next year we're planning on hosting four "Music on the Railway" concerts, two evening talks, and at least one high-valued joint fundraiser with Maine Narrow Gauge. This is in addition to the regular Easter Eggspress, Ice Cream Socials, Fall Festival, and Victorian Christmas events - all that use Alna Center. Finally, the event pavilion will allow us to properly host other events, such as weddings, reunions, etc., which could prove to very lucrative to our organization.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on December 03, 2019, 12:00:02 PM
Someday there may be parking just beyond T.O.M. on the land we just purchased once we get tracks down there, then we could have a lot more riders at events. All in good time. Probably, my song will be "AFTER I'M GONE!
..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on December 04, 2019, 12:25:03 AM
All these issues are indeed growing pains associated with our being successful in sponsoring and promoting events!!  We will learn as we go and make fixes where needed.  It's a great challenge to face!

As for BBQ pit/lobster dinner fire, I'm all for that even if it's not quite historically accurate.  It will bring more folks to the railroad. I"m sure we can do it tastefully...
 
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 04, 2019, 09:35:17 AM
Someday there may be parking just beyond T.O.M. on the land we just purchased once we get tracks down there, then we could have a lot more riders at events. All in good time. Probably, my song will be "AFTER I'M GONE!
..
I know this defeats the purpose of the train ride, but we could always improve Avrial (sp?) and have parking there.  It may require us to purchase more land for a parking lot.  Folks who could not get a train / event ticket could purchase an event only ticket. 

It may be a way to take advantage of our success in drawing more folks to our events.

Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 04, 2019, 10:07:50 AM
If the events happening at Alna Center really draw a lot of people, and particularly since these events may include "food" in some fashion, I think a "flush toilet" facility probably should come before a parking lot.

Porta-potties are certainly a big step up from going in the woods, ::) but to achieve real success, we need to attract families. That also means that some of those family members are not necessarily die-hard railfans. Those families are drawn in by the "event", not necessarily just the train itself. After all, that is the reason why we  stage the  events in the first place.  Offering flush toilets and hot/warm water hand washing facilities should be a priority.

When large events are serving food on a commercial scale (vendors etc), in  some states/cities, hand washing facilities for the food handlers with hot water are required.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 04, 2019, 11:21:36 AM
Improved/permanent toilet facilities are part of the Alna Center plans. They should be funded as part of the 2019 Fall Fundraiser. Anyone who wants to ensure that these improvements at Alna Center are enacted should feel free to donate to the drive.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 04, 2019, 04:58:28 PM
After I returned my Fund Drive check, I didn't keep the letter itself, and I don't really recall the specific contents. ::)

If a restroom facility is planned for AC, does that imply that commercial electric power will be run out there too?   I assume that a water well would be needed, so presumably the well pump is not going to be steam powered. :o

Available running water and electric power might have some impact on how a "BBQ pit" would be designed.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 04, 2019, 06:09:45 PM
I should clarify:
The improved facilities currently envisioned were for a solar-powered toilet facility, as can be found at campgrounds, trails, etc.  Anything beyond that would require power, septic, water, etc., and is well-beyond the scope of the current fundraiser or planned improvements.

That said, I suspect the day will come that we do, in fact, have all these amenities at Alna Center; but not anytime soon.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on December 05, 2019, 12:06:36 AM
As I stated elsewhere, I went to a wedding at an "Event Barn".  The facilities were a trailer
with hot/warm water and RV flush toilets. Heated areas about 6X6. I am currently waiting for information about the facility
from the bride. It may or may not be a National organization.  As a rental item it could be on site only for events.
Unfortunately it requires water & electricity - but parked next to Tank Car 14 and a small generator might be all that
is needed.

If it is not a national company it may be a business opportunity for someone in the area.
 
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on December 05, 2019, 10:13:13 PM
There are a lot of them in the Newport RI area. Around here the companies that rent porta johns have them.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on December 06, 2019, 09:41:18 PM
A place to start inquiries.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 07, 2019, 04:40:33 PM
We cut a couple of trees today, the last 2 that were leaning toward the Pavilion site.

Then I piled the ballast. About an hours work, when I stopped for lunch.

(https://i.postimg.cc/PfQrHHwW/1207191127.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/15WmgKM4/1207191130-Burst01.jpg)

End of the day..the kids will love the pile..

(https://i.postimg.cc/L8nHjZ0D/1207191320.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 08, 2019, 10:11:00 AM
That appears to be one massive pile of stone.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 08, 2019, 10:36:20 PM
Dwight sent me this picture he took Saturday of the stacking of the ballast, making room for VC..

(https://i.postimg.cc/rwvQ0cxs/1207191049.png)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 08, 2019, 11:12:34 PM
I don't know Mike;  Are you really stacking ballast or playing King of the Hill?   ;D
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: James Patten on December 09, 2019, 08:09:35 AM
I should have taken a picture of Mike and the loader at 40 degrees or so, climbing the hill of stone to dump more.  See Mike's last picture for an idea of the angle.  I was surprised it could do it.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 11, 2019, 03:23:10 PM
3 yards of cement has been scheduled for 9:30 Friday..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on December 11, 2019, 04:39:03 PM
That's good.  I always thought you shouldn't do concrete work when it is below freezing at night, but I guess it gives off heat as it cures.  Is concrete available in Jan-Feb or do they shut down?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 11, 2019, 04:54:55 PM
I think it's called heat of hydration, the cement reacting with the concrete's water,  useful when the air temp is a little low.
Just keep them thar anchor bases covered til they cure.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 11, 2019, 05:08:15 PM
Some plants shut down for the winter, but larger ones stay open. I talked to one of my friends that used to do concrete, he said not to worry unless below 20, and if covered was good for less than that. It is not ideal doing it in the winter, but it can be done.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 11, 2019, 05:50:46 PM
Hope you asked for a high-early mix as it does better in low temps.  That and insulation blankets......
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 12, 2019, 12:34:41 PM
Yes, high early strength concrete.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 12, 2019, 06:28:59 PM
Pump has been reserved to pump out most of the water in the holes. Temperatures are expected to rise during the day Friday, with rain expected Saturday, heavy at times, and temps above freezing thru Sunday evening.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 13, 2019, 09:04:51 PM
Cement went about as well as can be expected. I pumped as much water out of the tubes as I could, and then put the cement to them.

It was just me and the mixer driver, so these are the during pictures I got. The mixer driver was very good.

(https://i.postimg.cc/C57TZhzR/1213190927.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/tCrGp4Kf/1213190957.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/MZm83Ddz/1213190957a.jpg)

I set the post brackets in before lunch

(https://i.postimg.cc/BQZfrKVH/1213191151.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/FH75RQmK/1213191151a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CxXyn6Ls/1213191152.jpg)

After letting the cement stiffen for almost 5 hours, I returned, wrote 2019 in the North East sonotube, and covered everything with plastic and hay.

(https://i.postimg.cc/0jP12M2g/1213191458a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/MTy8Sbwb/1213191458c.jpg)


Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 14, 2019, 12:52:35 AM
A+, Mike. Glad you had just enough good help.
Now, when da wedder improves, on you go.  :)
Better watch those hay bundles, though. Local critters may mistake 'em for comfy, new condos.  ;D
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 19, 2019, 03:30:09 PM
I have been saving images found on the internet to see how exactly everything was put together. I have figured out most of it. Here are a couple overall pictures.. The first one shows the arrangement of the clear panels. I think we will try to space them evenly, and install them on the south side to let in the most amount of light.

(https://i.postimg.cc/HL00YBTB/Screenshot-2019-12-19-14-00-00.png)

From the water..

(https://i.postimg.cc/Jn1NGZnm/Screenshot-2019-12-19-14-05-43.png)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 19, 2019, 04:35:14 PM
Skylights help take away the dark, dreariness of a good-sized building, aids lighting, just like the car barn.
Great idea.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 19, 2019, 05:13:24 PM
I agree that the natural lighting in the car barn is wonderful. Maybe leave some space for solar panels to provide modest after-hours lighting? Not enough for rock concerts, however. >:(

-John M
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 19, 2019, 05:58:45 PM
John's comment stirs a thought.  Is there a program either sponsored by Maine P&L, the state, or other entity that we could apply for a grant to put solar power into the pavilion project?  Being out of state I don't know what programs are available these days.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 19, 2019, 07:47:05 PM
Solar power brings a whole new level of potential. The one thing I know about solar is there has to be a bank of batteries to be charged, to store the power. I am not sure of cost, or even any grants, but it does have potential.

I had been thinking about commercial power, and how we could do it underground, but would also be costly. We will need to do something, that is for sure.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 19, 2019, 08:15:37 PM
Or the other alternative would be a generator but it would have to be in a "hush" house which in itself is additional cost.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on December 19, 2019, 09:53:09 PM
A lot of the new generators are so quiet you don't need a "hush house" , at most just a screen like a fence panel. And the bigger they are the quieter they get.
Mike Nix
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 19, 2019, 10:44:28 PM
I am thinking long term though. If the time comes for a bathroom, we would need power for that. A waterpump would be the biggest draw..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 19, 2019, 11:00:20 PM
I am thinking long term though. If the time comes for a bathroom, we would need power for that. A waterpump would be the biggest draw..
I think the National Park Service and the Appalachian Mountain Club have extensive experience with wilderness toilet facilities. I volunteer to contact the AMC. However, we should keep in mind that, unlike the typical NPS/AMC application, the pavilion could present a surge load problem.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on December 19, 2019, 11:24:08 PM
A couple of thoughts:

1.  Why not clear panels on both sides of the roof?

2.  Gov Mills is definitely a proponent of solar.  Maybe a special unique appeal to promote solar and tourism!?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on December 20, 2019, 01:06:40 AM
As an AT 2000 miler hiker I have seen a great many wilderness facilities. Most of the newer ones require a few leaves or ground dunage to be sprinkled after each use.  Users are also expected to urinate outside before going inside for the remainder of their business.

A better source of solutions would be Peace Corps facilities for third world countries.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Philip Marshall on December 20, 2019, 01:46:27 AM
Public land managers at the US Forest Service, BLM, National Park Service, etc. make a distinction between "wilderness" (=no vehicular access) and "back country" (=vehicular access but no utilities). I think "back country" toilet facilities would be a better model for AC than "wilderness", since that's essentially what we're dealing with. There are many designs (and vendors) available, even including pre-fab structures that are trucked in and dropped onto a concrete vault. Google "waterless vault toilet". There is no need to reinvent the wheel (or toilet) here. :)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 20, 2019, 09:09:13 AM
The system we would need would have to handle volume and be clean. It would get a lot of use in a short amount of time, then sit for a week.

As far as putting the sky lights on both sides, that is possible. We only have a limited amount, but more could be purchased.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Benjamin Richards on December 20, 2019, 10:20:36 AM
Solar power brings a whole new level of potential.
... there has to be a bank of batteries ... it does have potential.

"Solar power" ... "batteries" ... "potential" ... No one's gonna jump on that?  ;D ;D

Tough crowd today.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on December 20, 2019, 11:38:02 AM
Mike,

I know that here in Maryland, any solar panel installation tied into the grid must be installed by a solar-cell certified electrician, not just any licensed electrician.  If the solar array feeds to a bank of batteries that then run an inverter system to provide 120 Vac, that brings other parts of the National Electrical Code into the review process.  Not saying it can't be done, just saying it might not be as low-cost as some might want... 

Dave Crow
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on December 20, 2019, 11:47:24 AM
I think what was meant was solar would be low cost versus having to run commercial power overhead and underground all the way from Rt. 218.  I think for the time being, a temporary solution of a generator(s) would be prudent as well as studying the feasibility of solar for the longer run.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 20, 2019, 01:01:35 PM
Sounds like a solar setup might be feasible. Running pole/underground power in for the distance needed would cost multi-THOUSANDS.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 20, 2019, 01:06:25 PM
I'm sorry that I got us started on this solar thing. We should all remember that the reasons we started the pavilion project were 1) it was donated to us, and 2) it would save us the cost and inconvenience of erecting a tent every time we wanted to have an event at AC.
 
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 20, 2019, 01:07:47 PM
The solution Mike has started investigating would not involve running a new line with poles from 218. It's very clever and would be ideal.

There is a recently-convened Alna Center planning committee; all of whom monitor this forum regularly. Feel free to keep the ideas coming - all will be considered as we work through this.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on December 20, 2019, 01:56:25 PM
A couple of observations concerning the events pavilion. A free-standing solar power system sounds sexy, but someone who knows a whole lot more about such things needs to be consulted. At least at the outset, a generator will be more than adequate to provide power for amplifiers and a couple of lights. I attended one of the music concerts last summer, and the small generator set up 100 feet away from the tent could not be heard. I have seen quite a few food trucks with generators mounted on the back, and they are nearly inaudible when running. In such a large structure, some sort of lighting might be needed to help visitors find their way out after the show, especially in the fall when darkness arrives earlier.

As for toilet facilities, the greater problem is going to be the one of who cares for them. Someone must be responsible for replacing toilet paper and hand sanitizer. Again, composting toilets sound really cool, but who will maintain them? Some serious study and thought needs to go into this before anything happens.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 20, 2019, 06:28:12 PM
Definately some good points Wayne.

As Ed said, I have been brain storming and presented a thought to him a couple of weeks ago. Just one of several ideas. But I want to research it more before I get too excited about it. This is all way down the tracks..

But yes, for now an immediate solution would be a generator. I would like it behind a short wall to help cut the sound down.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on December 20, 2019, 08:42:00 PM
Mike, as to skylights on both sides of the pavilion, that would probably be minimal cost for more long-term inside light.  Just a thought.

Bob
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 21, 2019, 01:00:27 PM
I'd like to suggest that consideration be given to using LED SMD Strip lights for lighting the Pavilion.  Here is a an example product:
https://smile.amazon.com/Flexible-Waterproof-Holiday-Outdoor-Decoration/dp/B075R4X1XL/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=led+strip+light+5050+white&qid=1576944043&sr=8-1 (https://smile.amazon.com/Flexible-Waterproof-Holiday-Outdoor-Decoration/dp/B075R4X1XL/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=led+strip+light+5050+white&qid=1576944043&sr=8-1)
(I'm just using that product listing as an example. I generally buy my LEDs strips from a China Ebay vendor at about 50%-60% of the Amazon price.  One just has to wait longer for delivery)

These are a 5 meter (16.4 ft) strip of individual LEDs mounted to a flexible carrier strip.  They are available in both 12 volt DC and 24 volt DC.  I am using the 24 volt version as "closet" lamps in my house, and also as general lighting in my shop/barn. I came across them initially as a solution to the National Electrical Code restrictions/specifications on closet lighting fixtures (Code requirements are tighter for closets as flammable fabrics are more likely to be in close proximity to light fixtures in closets). Since then I like them enough that I am using them in my shop as replacements for florescent fixtures when the ballast fails.

In terms of the Pavilion, if the decision is made to use solar panels & battery to provide lighting, the 12 volt LED strips would work well. Since they are natively 12 volt DC, no inverter would be needed provide 120VAC from the batteries - just run the LED strips directly off the battery.

If a generator is used, some generators can directly output 12VDC, so that would be an easy setup.   But alternatively, like in my shop and house, 12VDC or 24VDC power supplies (converting from 120VAC) are very suitable.

The LED strips have somewhat of an advantage over LED in a conventional "bulb" form in that while heat is still generated by each LED, the heat is spread out over the full 5 meters of the strip.   One problem that "bulb" type LEDs have is heat dispersion. If the bulb gets too hot - it dies.  Strips do not have that problem.

These strips come with a sticky back foam on the backside, and that mounting system has worked well in my house. In my closets all the strips are mounted on the walls (rather than the closet ceiling) and none of them has come loose in  the 4 years since installation.  However, in my barn the strips were initially stuck to the underside of [dead] flourescent fixtures, and the sticky foam mounts are not reliable in that orientation.  My later iterations are to apply the strips to a 1x2 or 1x3 board using a "hot glue gun" then mount the boards to the ceiling, and that is easily done and the strips stay "glued" well.

Since the strips are 5 meters long, it would be convenient to have 5 meter boards to apply the strips to, but 5 meter 1x2s or 1x3 or 1x4s are in short supply in my area.   A reasonable alternative is to use 1x2x8' boards and just cut off the excess LED strip. The strips are cuttable every 6 LEDs in the 24 volt version and every 3 LEDs in the 12 volt version. That is why you see two parallel strips in my photos below - I just make the strip length suit the board I am using.


A couple of photos (these are "thumbnails", so click image to see larger):
(https://i.postimg.cc/dkYV6TdK/LED-Strip-lit-barn.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dkYV6TdK)
A photo of 'lit' dual strips in my recent barn side shed expansion.

(https://i.postimg.cc/jw4dFdQn/LED-Strip-off-barn.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jw4dFdQn)
A closeup showing the LEDS and a couple of 'clear' retainers held in place with screws. (There are also some bigger screws visible mounting the LED board to the ceiling.)

Where I am, carpenter bees are an issue with any exposed wood, so everything, even treated lumber gets a coat of paint to deter the carpenter bees. Since the Pavilion trusses are not painted, and did not appear to be targeted by carpenter bees (maybe not an issue in Maine?) it seems to me that the [unpainted] 1x2 LED boards could be mounted directly to the underside of the trusses (oriented parallel to the trusses).  The LED strips are very unobtrusive when not lit.

Update: I recently found that "double" strips are available.  This is two rows of LEDs mounted on a common strip.  I have switched to buying these as they are faster to install for a given amount of light.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 21, 2019, 08:26:34 PM
We moved some material to the Pavilion site today, what was left anyway.

We started with boards and other lumber, waiting on the big forklift to warm up enough to use.

(https://i.postimg.cc/VsDP5dnm/1221191037.jpg)

We got the big forklift running properly and loaded a stack of timbers, planks and the long steel for the roof, as well as the forks for the loader.

(https://i.postimg.cc/SRN0Dh0B/1221191125.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/nz1b4LWK/1221191337.jpg)

And while we were at it, we even moved the Poo-Poo Palace, to get it out of winter photography.

(https://i.postimg.cc/HsnDMd95/1221191330.jpg)

Dwight remarked that the Pavilion site is now an official work site. The Outhouse has landed.

We then returned to Sheepscot and went after the long planks. Not an easy task. Lots of items had been stored in front of them. Tight getting them out. James was guiding me.

(https://i.postimg.cc/K8369fV8/1221191414.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/B63fPFmQ/1221191414a-Burst01.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8PY8B9ZY/1221191414-Burst01.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 21, 2019, 10:01:31 PM
That was a tight squeeze, Mike.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John McNamara on December 21, 2019, 10:06:19 PM
That was a tight squeeze, Mike.

Jeff S.
He just commands the tree,"Hey there, tree, move aside an inch or I'll call Fred."
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 22, 2019, 11:17:46 AM
That was a tight squeeze, Mike.

Jeff S.
He just commands the tree,"Hey there, tree, move aside an inch or I'll call Fred."

Was there a chainsaw buzzing in the background? ::)

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 22, 2019, 12:23:45 PM
Going back to the toilets at Alna Center issue, from looking at the forklift/porta-potty photo in a Mike Fox post above, I see that the WW&F is using porta-potties from Ideal Portable Toilets in Wiscasset.   They do not seem to have a standalone website, but they do have a Facebook presence. While I have no Facebook account, I can see enough to recognize that Ideal does have "wedding" units available, and: "Wedding Units have a sink, shelf, and flush!!"  8)

Here is a photo posted there:
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37326242_870914773098224_2627762318561247232_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ohc=FBtdzXwQFzEAQlGeaumX4kdiX2vdFyHwitgcIJIv9rG0pA4pSR3Z9ELtw&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=621aeb6294d85ad6c7cc2a14bc327aec&oe=5EACB402)
I do see a sink, and a flush handle.  :)

If anyone on Facebook would like to see more details, their page is https://www.facebook.com/Ideal-Portable-Toilets-226480740874967/ (https://www.facebook.com/Ideal-Portable-Toilets-226480740874967/) and the post is dated: July 18, 2018
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 24, 2019, 06:10:59 PM
I got the long lumber up to AC today, as well as the short steel roofing and 2x6s for bracing.

The crane truck has also been moved to AC to be ready for use putting up the pieces..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 28, 2019, 08:05:04 PM
What a day! The weather cooperated and we got way more done than I had expected. We got so much done, Fred was even happy.

Here is how it looked at just about 3:15..

(https://i.postimg.cc/SNgFKpy1/1228191524.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/BbgWDr26/1228191535a.jpg)

Now, lets look at how we got there.

First thing this morning, we uncovered all the bases.

(https://i.postimg.cc/W3LxyNnz/1228190919.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jjJGvwyB/1228190919a.jpg)

We then measured each base, determining the height so I knew what length every post had to be.

First one going up with James on the step ladder, Fred and Dwight holding the post.

(https://i.postimg.cc/3rCQPvzT/1228191013.jpg)

THAT'S LUNCH!

(https://i.postimg.cc/1tGbhkCH/1228191112.jpg)

After lunch, we assembled the beams on the saw horses, then lifted into place with Clancy.

(https://i.postimg.cc/L8hdY059/1228191354.jpg)

Dwight poses to give size to the building.

(https://i.postimg.cc/8PpgDCVr/1228191354a.jpg)

Braces on too

(https://i.postimg.cc/zGQsnSHn/1228191417.jpg)

Fred said we could keep working, so we did. About an hour later, I took this photo. Fred is all smiles.

(https://i.postimg.cc/9MyHXRMy/1228191525.jpg)

From over at the Station, the size is showing.. Sorry the image is dark.

(https://i.postimg.cc/2ymR1kbM/1228191535.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on December 29, 2019, 09:09:57 AM
Thanks Mike for the report. With the carbarn extension  and the pavillon reassembly it looks like the WW&F has  turn into a booming building company with skillful and efficient workers. Take a rest guys for the Newyear you deserve it.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 29, 2019, 09:50:15 AM
Backlit photos can difficult at times.

Here I adjusted the color a bit:

(https://i.postimg.cc/FFd7cqKP/Alna-Center-Pavilion2-1228191535.jpg)


Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on December 29, 2019, 10:35:19 AM
Looks like you've got a good start on things.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on December 29, 2019, 12:49:42 PM
Outstanding!
There's lots of headroom.
I'll guess, wx cooperating, trusses start going up in a week.

Or less.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on December 29, 2019, 02:07:52 PM
Jason and I discussed transporting the trusses. I hope to load them Thursday and take north on a flat car. How mant will depend on the weight, because they will be end loading the car. Hoping to take all we need, but if we can only take half, we will make 2 trips.

I am not planning to put any up on Saturday. Instead, I want to build them in sections on the ground. The first section will be the east end, consisting of 3 trusses. The outside truss will be framed on the ground, and attach the flying rafter. It is much easier to do that from the ground. Also, we will start strapping that portion. That will make everything go better after the trusses go up.
Then if the end goes good, we may build sections of 4 trusses, and lift and place those. Otherwise, it will be one truss at a time.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on December 29, 2019, 03:30:31 PM
This photo from the Pavilion  disassembly thread (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3296.0.html) showing the last 4 trusses on the ground -as a unit- is similar to Mike's plan above:

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/bbarry74/bridge%20move/IMG_7633.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 02, 2020, 07:53:16 PM
16 Trusses, loaded and ready for a trip North Saturday.

(https://i.postimg.cc/FRXSFn9R/0102201404a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PqwZjkn9/0102201523.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 02, 2020, 08:28:54 PM
Wow! Color me impressed!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 02, 2020, 08:46:19 PM
Holy Guano Batman !!  Maine Power is going to ask us to move transformers for them if we keep this up.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on January 02, 2020, 09:12:46 PM
Once the Pavilion is finished, it might be nice to find a place where some of the history of the 'corn canning factory' similar sheds could be presented, along with some historical photos, and some of the Pavilion's move and reconstruction. Mike's photo of the loaded trusses in Sheepscot, and a similar photo of the trusses arriving in Alna Center by rail 8) would make good candidates for a Pavilion History interpretive board.

Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 02, 2020, 10:15:01 PM
Holy Guano Batman !!  Maine Power is going to ask us to move transformers for them if we keep this up.
speaking of Maine Power and looking at how tall those trusses are it is a good thing that the only power lines we cross under are the high tension ones.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 02, 2020, 10:23:18 PM
15 feet from rail head to peak. We have 3 private lines to cross under, which all *should* be well above that. So we shall peocede slowly under those 3. Janes's way, Sheepscot Mills and Trasks, in that order. I had forgotten about Sheepscot Mills until Jason reminded me.

We could be much lower on the car, but I thought of a way to get some or most of the weight off of the end sill, and used ties to do it. Quite a bit of thought and prep there, and I am in hopes the picture taken when it arrives at AC looks about the same.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Piche on January 03, 2020, 10:47:39 AM
There's a really low branch right in the middle of cockeye curve that's been looking prime since the end of the summer. It definitely looked lower every day I was there so it might not clear 15 feet.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on January 04, 2020, 09:45:54 AM
Hello ! Thanks for the picture of this impressive and outstanding load. An other proof of the obvious usefulness of that railroad. I can't wait for the following pictures.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on January 04, 2020, 12:29:15 PM
There's a really low branch right in the middle of cockeye curve that's been looking prime since the end of the summer. It definitely looked lower every day I was there so it might not clear 15 feet.

We got under it without needing to take it down. The trusses have been delivered to AC. Photos to follow...
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 04, 2020, 09:10:58 PM
After cleaning the yard, some switches and moving 4 cars off the ramp track, we had hooked onto the tallest load ever transported by the railroad, and the first load of 2020. A merry band of shovelers accompanied me, also serving as brakemen when needed.

Onto the Main, Ed has thrown the switch lining the North Yard switch back for the main line. Even though we were the only train on the line and I had signed out as distpatcher, we have a rule stating all switches are to be left lined and locked for the main when left unattended, except the crossover switch at TOM, which is left lined for the siding as a safety. Time is 9:21.

(https://i.postimg.cc/X7VvWbcz/0104200921.jpg)

Making decent progress, we had made it through Jane's Way, Brook Crossing and were approaching Sutters when Ed said there may be a clearance issue. This pine limb was close. If it would have had snow on it, it may have rubbed.

(https://i.postimg.cc/nc0hcP3c/0104200933-Burst01.jpg)

Next up was Bills Branch on Cockeyed curve. I did not take a photo going north, so I stopped and got one going south. The branch is only about 14 feet from the rail head, but I crept up to it, and eased north, and we all watched the branch ride up over the top. Dave was impressed.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QdzNcWL2/0104201038.jpg)

Continuing North, we stopped and cleared the crossing at Sheepscot Mills. We made short work of it, and proceded north again, this time stopping while spanning Humason Brook.

(https://i.postimg.cc/B6TqWY83/0104200949a.jpg)

Alna Center, on the siding. Time is 10:14.

(https://i.postimg.cc/4dkJSkxw/0104201014.jpg)

So, we returned south and had lunch. Back to it after lunch, I was trying to decide the best way and safest way to unload. So Fred suggested this again. Brendan and I talked about this on Thursday, and so it is what we did.

(https://i.postimg.cc/y8xYJyGh/0104201312.jpg)

Fred told Brendan he was needed at Alna Center, so he brought him back and Brendan helped me unload.

(https://i.postimg.cc/g06zskmn/0104201336.jpg)

Brendan ran the Case loader and picked up the bundle. Once we knew it would handle it, I undid the chain and Brendan lugged them over and set them near the trees by the entrance to the site. I unfortunately did not get a picture of that. It was a sight. I moved the crane truck back and picked the bundle up and Dight helped me set them on blocks, then chained them to the tree.

(https://i.postimg.cc/yx777m9Z/0104201424.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Steve Smith on January 05, 2020, 01:46:45 AM
Bravo, guys! A challenging job, well done!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on January 05, 2020, 03:15:17 AM
Thanks for those outstanding pictures of a one-of-a-kind transportation. Even in the thick of winter there is always something amazing going on in Alna. Well done folks.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 05, 2020, 10:35:11 AM
Thanks for the photo documentary. It must have been quite a trip north.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 05, 2020, 09:42:14 PM
A few more photos of the rail trip north for the trusses on Saturday.

Dave Buczkowski poses with his track broom in front of the train just south of Sutter's crossing.  We stopped at every crossing to shovel and verify there was no ice.  The mild weather has been kind so far this winter--no serious ice was found on this trip.
(https://i.imgur.com/zuKZ0Na.jpg)

The train has arrived at Alna Center, and its crew (Dave B., Ed Lecuyer, James Patten, and our engineer Mike Fox) are busy shoveling the crossings.  I was working hard taking photos.  The large mound on the right is the ballast delivered this fall for Spring Work Weekend 3-1/2 months from now.
(https://i.imgur.com/wH1DAYo.jpg)

Here's how far Mike has gotten with the pavilion reassembly, before winter weather ended ground work this season.  The trusses delivered Saturday will be installed over this section of the building.
(https://i.imgur.com/fSxlTON.jpg)

The trusses were unloaded in the afternoon, as Fred supervises.  I had joined James (engineer) and Dave to open the rest of the line to Top of the Mountain, and we had stopped on the return trip to watch the operation. 
(https://i.imgur.com/LmqXT6o.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 05, 2020, 10:14:20 PM
Thanks Bill.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 05, 2020, 10:24:08 PM
So what's the next move for WW&F Constructors, besides starting Alna truss work?

Great work, pics.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 06, 2020, 08:16:00 AM
We will finish this phase of the project then maybe move on to something else before spring, then return to the Pavilion when the ground thaws..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 07, 2020, 01:10:49 PM
I bet youz guys will join the car barn expansion , since there's a May finish deadline.  ;)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 07, 2020, 07:21:46 PM
Made a little more progress today. Fred loves to stay busy, so we kept going..

At lunch, we had 3 ready.

(https://i.postimg.cc/7hL2VKMH/0107201206.jpg)

After lunch, we moved the end truss over, then cut 2 flying rafters and started strapping..

(https://i.postimg.cc/1tBFwkF7/0107201532.jpg)

Depending on weather, I may return Thursday and continue. I hope to have this set done and lift them into place Saturday, then possibly start the next set. The next set will be 5 trusses. I like assembling them on the ground like this because you can pass things up from someone on the ground.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 09, 2020, 03:14:05 PM
Great progress!
Will look even more impressive with a few trusses up.  ;)
Streamlining, easing the work is always desirable.

Am wondering when your 3-axle road trailer will run, especially if more equipment is coming.

Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Benjamin Richards on January 09, 2020, 04:41:45 PM
Am wondering when your 3-axle road trailer will run, especially if more equipment is coming.
Two weeks ago when I dropped by, it was still upside-down with the wheelsets off. I believe it is waiting for some paint:
If someone is looking for something to do, there is the bottom side of the big trailer to paint. Brendan is waiting to reassemble it after it gets done. But we will need it soon so if it is going to get done it should be soon. A quick scrape and paint would be better than nothing.
and
The paint for the trailer is in the garage by the bench. There is a gallon of primer and two gallons of cat yellow.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: James Patten on January 09, 2020, 07:13:36 PM
Way too cold to paint now.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 09, 2020, 08:01:13 PM
Fred and I made great progress today. We started with a trip to Hammond Lumber, hoping it would warm up a little. It did. It warmed from 14 degrees to 16 degrees in about an hour and a half.

With the lumber run over, we got busy. Fred loved to stay busy. We pretty much finished this side before lunch. And here we see Fred getting ready to cut some for the other side.

(https://i.postimg.cc/k4GgLXwx/0109201215.jpg)

We only worked until 2:30, but this is how it looked when we left.

(https://i.postimg.cc/6QYQHGVW/0109201321.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/xd0CyPzp/0109201439.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 09, 2020, 08:06:57 PM
Glad Fred kept you on the straight and narrow today.  Thanks for the photos, Mike.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on January 10, 2020, 01:19:53 PM
Thanks a lot for the pics Mike. You are both weatherproof volunteers. In such a temp and despite the sun everybody would stay home by the fireplace outhere.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 11, 2020, 07:58:48 PM
What a beautiful day for January. We had lots of help this morning, and finished most of the truss work including the wall on the gable before lunch. Fred and HWMNBM brought up some staging and set it up. After lunch, the wind picked up. I decided that the setting of the truss would wait.

So Leon helped me true up a post, and I through bolted it to the base. We then added a plank to the header on the outside on the north header. And I put other bolts in the header. Then, Fred came back and we put on the finish board on the gable.


Here we see Fred and Dwight happy that we loaded the generator and called it a day.

(https://i.postimg.cc/9FXm466z/0111201547.jpg)

And here it is ready to fly

(https://i.postimg.cc/rFh85hTj/0111201547a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/L8nmDz6p/0111201548.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 12, 2020, 10:03:04 AM
Looks good, Mike.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 13, 2020, 08:03:20 PM
Fred and I set up this morning for the great heist. Temp was a raw 23ish degrees.

(https://i.postimg.cc/tJjVMqYb/0113200954.jpg)

Part of the FB team was in the AC station, and he looked over and they were in the air. After a couple of shots for the news feed, he joined us and helped get them in place.

(https://i.postimg.cc/sfYWZhNg/0113201006.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/MHmjkCQQ/0113201017.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/FshLbHMg/0113201123.jpg)

As we headed to lunch.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Yq8mdwkc/0113201154.jpg)

From AC station platform

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZKYWBDNw/0113201247.jpg)

We set the 5th truss. I have a great respect for height, so was very careful climbing around. Sitting on the ridge, I took this photo. Fred is there some place..

(https://i.postimg.cc/66f7QN87/0113201400.jpg)

Back on the ground, looking up at the now 5 trusses in place.

(https://i.postimg.cc/zv732Tsw/0113201423.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PJTPMSRr/0113201442.jpg)

I even got the ceremonial fir tree in place

(https://i.postimg.cc/TwrKmzQ4/0113201443.jpg)

Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John McNamara on January 13, 2020, 09:35:29 PM
I happened to read Mike's post of the "lumber flat" before I got to these pix, and saw the pavilion trusses in the background of the lumber flat shots. I got to say "wow" before I got to this page.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on January 13, 2020, 09:47:30 PM
I was so busy admiring the load of logs that I totally missed the trusses up in the air in the background!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 13, 2020, 10:24:51 PM
Brilliant progress since Saturday (when a lot was also done).  Surprised by the loss of snow, particularly on the ballast pile--at least 6 inches there Saturday.  We got at best into the mid-50s Saturday at Alna, and I understand Sunday was in the 30s.  Meanwhile back home by Boston it was around 70 both days this weekend.  It snowed a little here today.

"We set the 5th truss. I have a great respect for height, so was very careful climbing around. Sitting on the ridge, I took this photo. Fred is there some place.."  Is that one of Fred's missing chairs to the right of the green house?

Thanks for the photos. Mike.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on January 13, 2020, 10:26:56 PM
I see that the reconstruction of the Pavilion will have a somewhat different 'end wall' for the roof, where the modification protects the wall from the weather better than the original version.  [thumbs up] :)

Here is the original structure:
(http://wordpress.wwfry.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/pavilion.jpg)
In that photo, note how the roof and the end-wall meet without any overhang.

Compare that to this photo Mike posted above:
(https://i.postimg.cc/L8nmDz6p/0111201548.jpg)
In the second photo, you can see that the framing for the vertical end-wall is inset from the edge of the roof.  That provides better weather protection for the wall, and  the extended roof provides a slightly larger 'rain shadow' for those near the edge of the structure when its raining.
 8)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on January 14, 2020, 12:55:46 AM
I did the same as John. And Wayne.  ;)
Yes, nice, useful eave extension over the setback gable end wall.
I first thought you forgot the little traditional, topping-out pine bush on the ridge cap.
Then I spied it.
Excellent!
 
Ya got class.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 14, 2020, 08:57:55 AM
"We set the 5th truss. I have a great respect for height, so was very careful climbing around. Sitting on the ridge, I took this photo. Fred is there some place.."  Is that one of Fred's missing chairs to the right of the green house?


Yes, Fred found his chairs.

Without all the help Saturday, we would not have gotten done what we have.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 14, 2020, 09:41:37 AM
Impressive work, Mike.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 14, 2020, 08:05:02 PM
Fred and I were at it again today. By lunch, we had 5 more trusses standing up and one side all strapped. I could not keep up with him, as evidenced by the lumber on the saw horses. He keeps saying I'm too fussy..

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZKHwv0WN/0114201145.jpg)

An hour after we returned from lunch, we did had done as much on the other side..this was taken after we had quit for the day.

(https://i.postimg.cc/bwFLLMHN/0114201532.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/DynCz1wF/0114201533.jpg)

We even added new braces to the front. Hard to see in the photo. The untreated 2x4 is just a temporary brace.

(https://i.postimg.cc/66djwMwY/0114201606.jpg)

Not sure when we will set this group up. This weekend is the Grand Reunion photo special and some of the shots are at Alna Center. So the equipment has gone into hiding, and if any work is done Saturday it will be some ladder work or something. Maybe add some braces. Something that does not involve having machinery in the area.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 14, 2020, 10:56:05 PM
It is amazing, simply amazing, how fast things get done, even in the middle of winter with all the Maine cold and snow.

You yous guys (that NY for Y'all) are doing a great job.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on January 16, 2020, 02:28:10 AM
Glad you got the Toping Out Fir in place - got to keep with Tradition.   

Impressive work all around!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 21, 2020, 07:46:46 PM
Fred and I were at it again today. We started off plowing and shoveling, clearing the work area.

And then there were 10..

(https://i.postimg.cc/KcrfNS6b/0121201119-Burst01.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SNSr114M/0121201530.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/hvr0PTLv/0121201550.jpg)

I am hoping to give Fred a birthday present Saturday by setting the last set of trusses.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 21, 2020, 08:36:13 PM
Great progress Mike--Thanks for the photos.

And Happy Birthday Fred.  Some of us will be at the Big E this weekend, so we can't celebrate with you.  If the last trusses get set Saturday, I hope both you and Mike enjoy an extra piece of cake!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John McNamara on January 21, 2020, 11:29:19 PM
I hope both you and Mike enjoy an extra piece of cake!
Hence the expression, "That Fred just takes the cake!"
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 22, 2020, 12:35:00 AM
I hope both you and Mike enjoy an extra piece of cake!
Hence the expression, "That Fred just takes the cake!"
And the quip and pun meinster strikes again....
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on January 22, 2020, 11:07:35 AM
Well done  John and thanks I did not know that phrase but only a byword it's the last straw. In my dictionnary the French translation for that takes the straw is "C'est le bouquet ", which means word by word it's the bunch of flowers like the one workers put at the top of a being built  building when it had reached its maximum height to ask the owner of the building to buy them a drink. It's a long gone practice out here. I  remember you put a fir branch at the top of the Trout Brook bridge when you put it togather again in Sheepscot two years ago.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on January 22, 2020, 12:27:19 PM
Alain - In the USA, there's a tradition known as "topping off" or "topping out" when a tall structure is complete.  It involves placing a tree at the top.  Supposedly, the first topping off occurred when the Great Pyramid at Giza was built.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIPk_vQx1IE
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on January 22, 2020, 01:28:46 PM
Mike takes the "HIGH" road, I take the "LOW" road and we're getting it done.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 24, 2020, 07:26:28 PM
Fred and I were at it again. We had things set up in no time, and the trusses stood up in about an hour and a half. 10:45, it was around 30 degrees and looked like this.

(https://i.postimg.cc/JzSbRkDZ/0124201043.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8CWLczM3/0124201044-Burst01.jpg)

Then we switched gears and got ready to cut. Fred trimmed all the 2x4s to length for me, and about an hours work after lunch looked like this.

(https://i.postimg.cc/J46NdgRT/0124201318.jpg)

It was rather warm, and we both had to shed our coats. And then an hour after that, the other side was done.

(https://i.postimg.cc/4xY6C5dX/0124201448.jpg)

Fred was cutting so fast he had to keep shutting the generator off.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 25, 2020, 11:30:06 AM
You two are making great progress.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 25, 2020, 11:39:16 AM
We'll just have to start calling them the "Dynamic Duo".    8)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 25, 2020, 07:59:07 PM
Fred and I had some help today. Larry, who normally volunteers at Maine Narrow Gauge on the train crew, joined us. He showed up just in time.

08:38. 33 degrees. We are ready.

(https://i.postimg.cc/sf4MkKLW/0125200838.jpg)

08:45

(https://i.postimg.cc/qq4ztCNg/0125200845.jpg)

08:48

(https://i.postimg.cc/QxNFh1Ly/0125200848.jpg)

09:08. Lining things up.

(https://i.postimg.cc/XqjYNSPC/0125200908.jpg)

09:18. Walked to the south and got a different angle.

(https://i.postimg.cc/jSwdShMZ/0125200918.jpg)

11:25. Trusses are all secured. Headed to lunch.

(https://i.postimg.cc/t4Y7Vb4d/0125201124.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/28XSYt71/0125201127.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/MpNH7LnC/0125201127a.jpg)

We puttered after lunch, and this is what it looked like when Larry and I left at 14:30.

(https://i.postimg.cc/7YBf6hwY/0125201424.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Jnbs4Q49/0125201425.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/1XB4D5FB/0125201426-Burst01.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 25, 2020, 08:45:21 PM
Is the intent to get roofing on this first section or leave it until all the trusses are up?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 25, 2020, 08:54:33 PM
Great garage for the yellow crane truck.  Just a few holes in the roof that need to be repaired to keep the snow out.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on January 25, 2020, 09:07:12 PM
The side views kinda look like the Death Star, half erected like that.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on January 25, 2020, 09:53:42 PM
Mike quote "Fred was cutting so fast he had to keep shutting the generator off."

So THAT'S how he keeps going, and going, and going.....

Happy Birthday, Fred. 
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on January 25, 2020, 10:21:24 PM
A job well done, guys.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 25, 2020, 11:02:25 PM
We will put roofing on as soon as we are ready. Probably the end of February now, or early March. There is more work to get ready for the roof, plus a Steam and Saws, and another photo charter (got a little prep work I was asked to lead) that will slow us now. But the plan is to have this section complete for use this summer and do as much as we can (and money allows) to complete the rest of the structure.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on January 26, 2020, 10:04:51 AM
Mike,

What is your estimate of money needed to complete the Pavilion for use by Member's weekend?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 26, 2020, 01:26:09 PM
You mean the Annual picnic? I am not sure. I have some numbers written down, and need to add up what we have purchased (2×4s and screws mainly) to get a good number. Also, I have found a picture of a corn husking shed that once stood in my town that everyone seems to like. Once I get approval from the board, I'll post that picture here. That will increase the cost a little, but this is an investment into the future of events at Alna Center. Well worth it.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on January 26, 2020, 08:33:56 PM
The real question is what will it take ($$) to complete the pavilion, period.  Time frame is irrelevant.  Once we know that, we can work on making it happen.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 26, 2020, 09:06:57 PM
I know we will make it happen. I have no doubt that if we needed additional funding that our members would pull through. We have some of the most supportive members and donors that an organization like ours could ask for.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 26, 2020, 09:53:43 PM
I know we will make it happen. I have no doubt that if we needed additional funding that our members would pull through. We have some of the most supportive members and donors that an organization like ours could ask for.
I think my information is correct in that when we needed additional funds to install the windows in the car barn extension, our members, and those from MNG came thru to keep the project on schedule for timely completion. 

If we know how much more is needed to complete the Pavilion Center I have a strong feeling that somehow our wonderful supportive members and donors will come thru again.  On this thread, does anyone know the status of the Annual Fund Drive?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: James Patten on January 26, 2020, 10:29:52 PM
We made our $101,000 goal a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on January 26, 2020, 11:18:16 PM
We made our $101,000 goal a couple of weeks ago.
Hooray for us and many, many thanks to all our members, friends, donors and other benefactors!!!!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on January 31, 2020, 09:46:12 PM
Hmm.. Something is missing today from the parkinglot..

(https://i.postimg.cc/jqHrZrHT/0131201519.jpg)

We managed to get the trusses to lay down, and loaded them on the flat car that way. My opinion now is that it worked better standing up. But by laying them down, we got the rest on the car.

Tight squeeze between the bathroom and stairs.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Yq8BBfDy/0131201106.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/d3jP18s3/0131201139.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/tC9Gcmkx/0131201305.jpg)

2 small clearance issues. One was one of Joes temporary speed restriction signs. Brendan was able to hold it out of the way as we passed.

The other was the target on the south switch at Alna Center. I had measured the distance from the rail to the stand, but did not figure in the size of the target. We were able to creep up to it and Brendan threw the switch just enough to twist the target as the end to the trusses passed. Unloading was interesting, and Brendan lugged the trusses over and leaned them against a tree as I unloaded them with the crane.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on January 31, 2020, 11:31:39 PM
Good job getting the rest of the trusses moved!

The other was the target on the south switch at Alna Center. I had measured the distance from the rail to the stand, but did not figure in the size of the target. We were able to creep up to it and Brendan threw the switch just enough to twist the target as the end to the trusses passed.
If you hadn't been able to finesse past the switch that way, Plan B could have been to simply alter the switch target.  :o   And there is even a narrow gauge prototype ...  :)

 (https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/api/singleitem/image/p15330coll22/75388/default.jpg?highlightTerms=)
Note how the rod supporting the switch target has been bent backwards, presumably to clear something wide.
Photo is the RGS at Delores CO. Original source and larger version here: https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/75388/rec/15 (https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/75388/rec/15)

Curiously, this photo first came to my attention on a WW&F Grand Reunion thread at the NGDF forum, here:
http://ngdiscussion.net/phorum/read.php?1,387556 (http://ngdiscussion.net/phorum/read.php?1,387556)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 01, 2020, 07:22:40 PM
Trusses moved into the corner today to clean up a little.

(https://i.postimg.cc/YCfC3JzP/0201201244.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 02, 2020, 09:32:19 AM
Last night at the Board Meeting, we discussed a siding improvement I had discovered, completely by accident. I was looking through my towns history book, looking to see what was in there for the fire department. I found nothing. But, what I did find was the attached image, of a Corn Shop and Husking Shed that was located right down the road from me, and I never knew it. The exact location I am still working on, but I have a strong suspicion.

What we all really like is how the siding covers the angle braces, and neatens up the look of the building. So Brendan will speak to our local Sawyer for me since he has used him several times already, and has to go talk with him anyhow.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QMHWCTCX/Waterford-Corn-Shop.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on February 02, 2020, 09:52:43 AM
Now that is a really nice looking shed.  I totally approve of the design - nice catch Mike.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Cliff Olson on February 02, 2020, 10:24:45 AM
The ends of the Monson wood shed covered the angle braces in a similar manner, although the siding material was corrugated metal.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on February 02, 2020, 05:26:25 PM
That's a very nice-looking building. The siding covering the braces is a perfect addition.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on February 02, 2020, 11:28:05 PM
We did have an interesting conversation about incorporating a conveyor system like the photo.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on February 03, 2020, 08:36:45 AM
I think the SeaLyon shed would be a good ancillary/storage building for the sawmill/shingle mill.  I remember similar buildings used as drying sheds, lumber bulk storage, etc. by small family run mills when I was a kid.  I believe that and a shed type building similar to the pavilion would do the trick for our mill site.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 03, 2020, 10:34:06 AM
When we were offered the Lyon Shed, that was my thought. Storage for the saw mill parts. Working with the owner to come up with a plan to move it. Should serve us well if all works out.
I am also discussing the Shingle Mill building. Hoping to get that underway this fall as well.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on February 03, 2020, 01:00:58 PM
While I was away from home and from my computer things have been coming along fast in AC as usual. The picture of the Corn Shop and husking shed has immediatly looked very famillar to me  because it is very much like the AMTP carbarn located on the engine shed yard in Pithiviers. The one on Mike's picture is really nice looking and it would be great if the Alna pavilion looked  alike eventually.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Pete Leach on February 03, 2020, 02:37:12 PM
A photo of the Portland Canning Co husking shed in Albion is published in Vol III of Gary Kohler & Chris McChesney's Narrow Gauge in the Sheepscot Valley. Page 71.

The Pavillion has the look of a husking shed.

Pete
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on February 03, 2020, 05:15:49 PM
Sealyon building looks like a worthwhile acquisition.

Sheathing covering the post-top diagonal braces makes the Portland building look more substantial and complete.

What's the next move at Alna Pavilion? I am a construction wonk.  ;)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on February 03, 2020, 08:45:52 PM
Sea Lyon shed is large and could serve a variety of purposes.  Storage and support of saw/shingle mills could be one, but perhaps a more important use is also partly as a visitor center and shelter for future TOM events.

Bob
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 03, 2020, 11:17:00 PM
Most likely 2 weeks off of work for the Pavilion. When we do get back to it, some more bracing, then trim work, then onto the roofing. Siding may go on at some point after it arrives, which may be a few weeks away.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on February 04, 2020, 01:31:44 PM
So, in effect, what stands now as Phase 1 will be mostly completed before the rest of the  building is finished?
Pray for early spring.  8)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on February 04, 2020, 02:25:23 PM
Paul,

Our groundhog says it's going to be an early spring, so get that carpenter's toolbox ready.

PA Contingent
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 04, 2020, 06:29:00 PM
Paul, that plan was announced back in December. We decided to get the 30x30 portion done so we at least have a space to use, but am hoping to have it all done before the first concert series.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on February 05, 2020, 01:24:57 AM
Gotcha.
Don't let me distract things.  :D
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 22, 2020, 07:32:00 PM
Finaly back at it today after a couple weeks off. Fred and James cut the braces that go from the posts to the trusses this morning, and I monkied to get them on.. Slow work, but necessary. I think I'll add something to tie these together on the trusses. A little more bracing and install some pieces on the ends of the trusses and we will be ready to roof. And put the siding on.

(https://i.postimg.cc/vHGQZ0Z9/0222201324.jpg)

Even Freds shadow is watching me..

(https://i.postimg.cc/QxSj9cFz/0222201326.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8z5NhsWz/0222201331.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jSFKvKQQ/0222201331b.jpg)

Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 29, 2020, 08:01:08 PM
This guy and I were at it again today..see him behind the pick-up cutting for me.

(https://i.postimg.cc/d3rgsgrx/0229200904a.jpg)

As nice as the day looked, it was cold. But we cut all the filler blocks that went between the south rafter ends. Look high. Barely noticable. To the left of the staging.

(https://i.postimg.cc/g0tCNVGN/0229200904b.jpg)

We then installed the Azec. Front first, then continued down the south side.

(https://i.postimg.cc/W44RGWcd/0229201243.jpg)

We also installed the metal drip edge, and this side is now ready for steel.

(https://i.postimg.cc/C1ZWtR1Y/0229201419.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/nz66tnjm/0229201420.jpg)

Next Saturday we will do the North side. Fred says I am too fussy because I take my time and check things often on the trim, but I think it looks good and am happy the way it turned out.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on March 01, 2020, 08:42:27 AM
I'm glad Zack came up in the afternoon as we moved the staging to the North side.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on March 01, 2020, 11:30:07 AM
Looks really good Mike.  Remind Fred that good things require patience.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on March 02, 2020, 02:19:27 AM
Yeah, Fred!  ;D
Looks supreme!
Almost half the roof framing done.
If I had extra bucks I'd buy youz a sharp, new bumper for the crane truck.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on March 03, 2020, 12:41:30 AM
A 2X10 would do wonders for appearance.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 03, 2020, 07:50:22 AM
A 2×10 where?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on March 03, 2020, 09:08:52 AM
It's a RR truck.  The only appropriate replacement is a RR tie bumper.... 8)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: James Patten on March 03, 2020, 10:47:01 AM
Not our truck, actually, on loan from Chesterfield Associates.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 07, 2020, 08:53:43 PM
Fabulous Fred and Fussy Fox were at it again today...wind blowing and about 24 degrees to start..

Before lunch we had this much done..

(https://i.postimg.cc/MT52md1n/0307201001.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PqmkPtxz/0307201001a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ryh2dZ8b/0307201039.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/43CgfKJx/0307201129.jpg)

After lunch we finished the trim.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Y9MBFJLc/0307201303.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/VvNyGnFD/0307201304.jpg)

We are ready for roofing. We are looking for help for next weekend depending on the weather..

Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 07, 2020, 09:08:31 PM
Fabulous Fred and Fussy Fox were at it again today...
What great and appropriate names for our great leader "Fabulous Fred" and his chief minion "Fussy Fox"
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on March 07, 2020, 10:29:25 PM
F4 are functioning fabulously on the fascinating Funvillion.  ;D
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 08, 2020, 12:11:40 AM
F4 are functioning fabulously on the fascinating Funvillion.  ;D
Graham, you are so very clever.....
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on March 08, 2020, 12:40:08 AM
Absolutely. I agree  ;D.
Now, what are F4s?  ::)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Al Michelis on March 08, 2020, 10:18:54 AM
Absolutely. I agree  ;D.
Now, what are F4s?  ::)

"Fabulous Fred" and his chief minion "Fussy Fox"
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 08, 2020, 12:52:54 PM
Absolutely. I agree  ;D.
Now, what are F4s?  ::)

"Fabulous Fred" and his chief minion "Fussy Fox"
You know, the F4s, "Fabulous Fred" and his chief minion "Fussy Fox" who are "Functioning Fabulously on the Fascinating Funvillion".
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on March 08, 2020, 02:01:14 PM
Should not that be( F2 + F2) X F4 ?

Math is not my strong suite.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on March 08, 2020, 02:19:27 PM
Carl,  when multiplying common powers, you just add the powers together.  Adding would just give you 2F4
.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on March 08, 2020, 02:29:02 PM
But as I read the post again:  We have F2xF2 but times a function F:(F4).  So what you really have is (F2xF2) X f(F4).  Where F is the variable, and you can substitute in any number for grins and giggles for F.  Use your TI-83 /84, or borrow your kids or grandkids (for us fossils), plug and chug and bang, you got your answer.

Retired Math Teacher
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 08, 2020, 04:57:36 PM
Geeze. Good thing I didn't say Freezing Fabulous Fred and the Frigid Fussy Fox..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Fred Morse on March 08, 2020, 05:29:30 PM
I think it's time to NOT add anymore F words to our names!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 08, 2020, 06:05:39 PM
One question - who keeps who busy?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on March 09, 2020, 11:46:42 AM
Right Fred.

Always  hated algebra.
Love the alliteration  though, youze clevah guyzzz!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 09, 2020, 06:11:59 PM
Due to a sudden passing of a fellow long time Fire Department member and former Assistant Chief, I will not be doing any work Saturday on the Pavilion while I attend his service.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on March 09, 2020, 07:11:48 PM
Sorry to hear that, Mike.  Condolences to you, his family and his other friends.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 13, 2020, 11:38:34 AM
Change of plans. Due to the virus, the service I was attending has been cancelled. But the wind is supposed to blow so possibly no roof work at the Pavilion.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on March 14, 2020, 12:11:56 AM
Mike...Alna area weather lists Saturday partly cloudy,  temps above freezing, winds maybe 15 mph max.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 14, 2020, 05:54:45 PM
Got some roofing on today, even with the wind blowing.

(https://i.postimg.cc/NfPGxdFM/0314200909a.jpg)

Fred gives us a smile as he has just drug the 2nd long sheet over for James and I.

(https://i.postimg.cc/wvH9BPfW/0314200909b.jpg)

Start showed up and we really got moving. This was before lunch.

(https://i.postimg.cc/T3zRzhrv/0314201112.jpg)

Finished the North side..

(https://i.postimg.cc/qRdv3gRx/0314201323.jpg)

We quit at about 2:30, and this is what we got done.

(https://i.postimg.cc/X7v7FRVm/0314201441.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/hGVScgrz/0314201442.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/g2Xzt3LK/0314201443.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on March 14, 2020, 06:09:25 PM
Looks good Mike.  Do you think you will be able to excavate and set the remaining posts before SWW?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 14, 2020, 06:14:51 PM
We will see. I don't want to dig so early that we can't get cement to fill the holes..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on March 15, 2020, 12:24:49 AM
Bravissimo!
Love the skylights.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 21, 2020, 06:34:22 PM
Out in the fresh air, working together but keeping our distance from each other. Pretty certain none of us have any of the virus, but practiced the recommended CDC distances to lessen the chances.. Thanks to those that helped today, more help than I thought we would get. We finished by lunch.

(https://i.postimg.cc/4N2drzzS/0321201147.jpg)

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Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on March 21, 2020, 06:45:52 PM
Looks great, Mike.  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 21, 2020, 06:47:51 PM
So, Mike, who was there, in addition to Fred?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 21, 2020, 06:58:15 PM
Brendan came up on the roof with me, which was a real help. James, Zack and Bob L. were on the ground with Fred giving them the play by play of what we were doing and why. Dave also stopped by and gave his Presidential seal of approval and lended a hand where he could.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Duncan Mackiewicz on March 24, 2020, 12:50:26 PM
Very nice Mike. I really do wish I could be there to help where possible. You and the members of your team did very nice work. I can't wait to see the pavilion in-person later (hopefully) this year. 
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 28, 2020, 08:04:32 PM
Preparing for a long period of no work, I wanted to protect the trusses a little better

(https://i.postimg.cc/255KjLqt/0328201052.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/T30sXJPm/0328201052a.jpg)

This weeks snow storm all slid off the roof..

(https://i.postimg.cc/nzjSB8GY/0328201051.jpg)

I am also toying with the idea of adding a post to the North side, represented by the cut offs in the picture below. This set up creates an 11 foot 6 inch wide opening in the center of the building. It would make bringing the AA Truck or anything into the side of the building easier.

(https://i.postimg.cc/d0SShQrV/0328201059.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on March 28, 2020, 08:08:46 PM
Then is the plan to close up the ends of the building?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 28, 2020, 08:27:20 PM
The siding lumber has been ordered, and we can put that up when it comes in. I am just concerned that if we don't complete the rest of the building this year, either due to the viris shutting everything down or lack of funding, that the trusses would deteriorate badly and become unusable. So a quick cover up this morning, leaving an air gap between the trusses and plywood, to buy us time if we need it.

I am still planning on pouring the cement, depending on the weather, possibly in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on March 28, 2020, 09:30:51 PM
I know some of us sent some extra money in,  how much more do we need?  I can put a call out if needed.

Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 28, 2020, 10:16:05 PM
It is still coming in. I know there is great concern with the virus and what has happened with the economy so what we get is what we do. Right now, that is siding the first section and cement for the rest of the bases. After that we will see where and how we are.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John McNamara on March 28, 2020, 10:38:39 PM
Then is the plan to close up the ends of the building?
Page 14 of this discussion has a February 2nd post by Mike Fox that includes a picture of the East Waterford Corn Shop. I think that is what Mike has in mind.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jon Chase on March 29, 2020, 02:10:02 PM
Mike,

I think you're right to consider the "extra post" arrangement shown in your mock-up photo, but while the extra 18" (or so) in clearance width this would create at a central "entrance" point is certainly better than nothing, it seems to me that 11'6" is still quite restrictive in terms of limiting the ability to turn a long vehicle toward either end, until fully within the building.  Given the probability of future events where an outside vendor might be bringing in a large truckload of chairs, a portable stage, or sound equipment, etc., I wonder if the alternative of leaving out one post altogether (i.e., creating a 20' wide vehicle access) might be worthwhile in the long run.  Could this be accomplished, fairly easily and without much additional expense, through use of a truss?

A wooden truss beneath the top plate (beam) might be bulky, reducing vehicle headroom significantly, and be somewhat vulnerable to the weather if not sheathed externally.  However, the use of truss rods to increase beam spans or carrying capacity was certainly not uncommon historically, as you may have seen in old mill buildings, railroad roundhouses, etc.

What I have in mind would be essentially similar to a truss-rod flatcar, with a couple of conventional queen post castings spaced beneath the plate, with a two-part truss rod having a central turnbuckle. The truss rod ends would pass through the tops of the adjacent posts, with a heavy bridge washer and nut. It might be prudent to incorporate something to restrict sidewards strain at these locations when the turnbuckle is tightened, such as a short (scrap) length of heavy steel angle with one leg bolted through the plate/beam and the other leg abutting downward against each of the two posts on the "inward" side (i.e., the side facing toward the truss).

Someone among us with a degree in civil engineering may be able to refine this idea, and do the necessary calculations, but if the only investment would be a couple of, say, 12' steel rods, some scrap steel angle and bolts, and some extra car hardware that may already be in stock, it may be a relatively cheap way to gain a considerable advantage (while saving on the cost of the extra post, concrete, etc).  Plus it would have a "railroad-like" visual appearance, creating a subtle architectural focal point for the "entrance." 







 






Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 29, 2020, 05:44:49 PM
Interesting thought. I'll have to think on that some. If we knew someone that could calculate the span, that would be great. I worry about uneven stress on the posts, because the PT 6x6 may not like that. But I'll draw what you're suggesting and think on it.

My theory is this. We are using 2 2x12s as a header, each 20 feet long. The joints are on the posts, staggered with one 2x12 ending per post. Then, sistered to the outside is a 2x10. These are only 16 feet long. Placing the posts where I did I figured would still provide some support to the one now unsupported joint. I had also thought of another 2x12 sistered to the inside between the posts to support that even more. Instead of having a span of 9' 6" supported on 2 2x12s and a 2x10, we would have a span of 11'6" on 3 2x12s and a 2x10.

Time to google some spans..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 29, 2020, 06:03:28 PM
My thoughts are rather conservative. Just with the 3 2x12s, we can span up to 15 feet. 2 2x12 will do 12 feet. By adding another 2x12, that really covered the added distance. Knowing this, I could even go 14 feet with no problem, but then the posts are closer together. We could go 13 feet alright, but would hate to do more that that, in case the snow load ever built up on the roof.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: James Patten on March 29, 2020, 06:39:18 PM
I can't imagine any sort of snow or ice load building up that metal roof.  Mine routinely sheds.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on March 29, 2020, 07:09:29 PM
Mike, the easiest means to increase span is the use of a para-lam.  They are specifically engineered for wide space loading and they have a multi-decade history of sucessful use.  And yes you can get them for exterior applications.  I have used several in my own house with the longest span of 22 feet.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on March 30, 2020, 07:47:46 AM
I must be missing something here.  ???

If a large vehicle needs to get inside the Pavilion, why can't it just drive straight in from one end or the other?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 30, 2020, 09:13:02 AM
Not sure that the West end would be able to be driven,out through. I just figured this little bit of extra width would be good for getting our AA in, and Start brought up a good point to me after I showed him the picture. An ambulance could easily access through that door. Back in or drive in, or even drive through..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on March 31, 2020, 01:15:22 AM
Mike. As someone with experience with 11'6" doors in sheds, you need at least 2 feet on either
side. = 15'6" min. If a trailer (any size) has to back in or out that size is a must.
Min 12' height 14' better - maybe a dormer?
I know more $$$, but better now than "Aw shucks!"
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 31, 2020, 06:20:45 AM
I had not thought of trailers. But, I used to back a 53 foot trailer through a 12 foor door all the time. My thought was simple, just make it a little wider for our truck. Not sure why we would want to get a trailer in there anyway.

This building was engineered as is. Too much of a change and I would want to have it re-engineered. Adding thickness to the header will make it closer to the ground. It is only 12 feet off the finish surface now, so anything added thickness to that will lower the clearance height.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on March 31, 2020, 08:55:16 AM
another though would be to bolt a strip of 1/4 inch steel plate between the 2x12s. I'm no qualified to do the calculations but i'm sure we have some members who can.
M. Nix
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 31, 2020, 10:31:31 AM
another though would be to bolt a strip of 1/4 inch steel plate between the 2x12s. I'm no qualified to do the calculations but i'm sure we have some members who can.
M. Nix
Mike is correct.  It is call a flitch plate.  The simplest is the one described by Mike.  However, they can be a combination of multiple wood beams and flat steel plates.  They are very strong.  The strength calculations can be found online.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on April 01, 2020, 01:01:25 AM
Mike
It is not the straight back that counts - it is the right angle just inside the door.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on April 01, 2020, 03:56:22 PM
Wouldn’t it be easier to just not drive trucks into the pavilion?

Keith
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on April 01, 2020, 06:57:24 PM
Wow, you all are thinking 53' trailers.  Build what makes sense for small groups to unload their gear for an event, and don't worry about it after that.  After all, the pyramids were built mostly by hand!

Bob
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on April 01, 2020, 08:51:14 PM
Agree with Bob;  think we're over thinking it.  Probably the biggest piece we'll see inside (possibly) is a stake body that could be used for a stage.  An 11'0" opening is plenty big enough.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on June 18, 2020, 12:40:04 PM
Mike,
        do you have any idea when you will be able to re-start the construction on the
Pavilion? You were doing so well last year! I think modeling it after a historic Maine building is a great idea!  Ted Miles, WW&F Member
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 18, 2020, 02:44:13 PM
Hi Ted. My plan is next month to dig the footings and get the concrete delivered. Also, I am hoping to board up the finished portion. We will most likely finish it over the winter again. But getting the footers in will be a big boost.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on June 21, 2020, 09:31:32 AM
I thought the plan we to get the pavilion finished during FWW so that it could be used for VC, and other winter specials.  Has that plan changed?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on June 21, 2020, 02:28:38 PM
Any previous plan has been hampered by the Covid-19 pandemic. We will have the first half available atleast.

I moved the Kubota there Saturday. I have a Fire Department function then a family function on Saturday the 27th, so I had no other place I could use it prior to starting again on tha Pavilion.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Uhland on June 21, 2020, 04:45:24 PM
Once again, in the immortal words of that Saturday Night Live philosopher Roseanne Rosannadana (played by the late genius commedienne Gilda Radner), ..."If it aint one thing, it's another!!"   ;D ;D ;) ::)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 03, 2020, 08:32:22 PM
Dwight and I were at it today. Laying out where the posts were going..

(https://i.postimg.cc/26BMJKr2/0703200921.jpg)

Then I started digging. Probably could have gotten them all in, but a reporter showed up so I stopped the machine so there was no noise until she was done with her interviews and note taking. And it was a nice enough day that I did not want to hurry. We will get the rest dug next weekend (unless it rains) and pour cement the following Saturday.

(https://i.postimg.cc/43yrv3MC/0703201127.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/dtmPwpdf/0703201127a.jpg)

South posts all completed

(https://i.postimg.cc/0N4hVsRz/0703201425.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/mg8vF9mN/0703201427a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/DwvVZ6Pw/0703201427c.jpg)

And one for the books. I have never seen a hornet nest like this. I did finally see it was a white tailed hornet, just not sure what it is called.. Murder Hornets?? Just kidding..

(https://i.postimg.cc/jqfYkLjt/0703201540_Burst01.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zX1Ym8LW/0703200837.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Dwight Winkley on July 03, 2020, 08:59:21 PM
Mike did find a second hornet nest, shaped like they should be built.
 We found no birds nests.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on July 04, 2020, 10:51:24 AM
What is the black "thing" under the concrete tube?  Is it metal or plastic?  I am assuming it is to spread the weight from the column.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on July 04, 2020, 11:23:14 AM

More info on those post base forms here:

https://www.sonotube.com/sonotubeconcreteforms/tubebase.aspx
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: James Patten on July 04, 2020, 04:00:07 PM
Mike, digs a lot easier when it's not frozen, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 04, 2020, 04:07:33 PM
Graham has provided a good link. My thoughts for these were because of the clay base, I wanted something stable. As it was, there was only one or 2 posts that we put in back November/December that really needed them. But all of the south and a couple of the north are dome with these. Those posts will not move..

And yes James. Much easier when we are not prying frost out first.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on July 04, 2020, 08:15:46 PM
And one for the books. I have never seen a hornet nest like this. I did finally see it was a white tailed hornet, just not sure what it is called.. Murder Hornets?? Just kidding..

(https://i.postimg.cc/jqfYkLjt/0703201540_Burst01.jpg)

Apparent this is a bald-faced hornet nest in its early stage, if this web site is to be believed.  https://www.whatsthatbug.com/2015/06/07/newly-constructed-bald-faced-hornets-nest/  and  https://www.whatsthatbug.com/2008/06/11/bald-faced-hornet-queen-and-nest-eliminated/

And I was going to ask if this is where black flies live.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on July 04, 2020, 08:53:25 PM
If its bald-faced hornets, kill and destroy nests ASAP.  These hornets are known to attack honey bee colonies as raiders and will destroy a hive in less than a day.  They are no friend of the farmers/orchards.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on July 04, 2020, 10:34:29 PM
If its bald-faced hornets, kill and destroy nests ASAP.  These hornets are known to attack honey bee colonies as raiders and will destroy a hive in less than a day.  They are no friend of the farmers/orchards.

You've got your hornets mixed up.
The ones you are thinking of are the ones now typically known as "Murder Hornets," an invasive species not-native to these parts.
There have been a few sightings of this type and the damage you describe in the Pacific Northwest, and while it's not "impossible" for them to appear in New England, they as yet have not.
The hornets in the above pictures are the perfectly normal and native to this area variety.
I'm not a FAN of them, but they're not a reason for panic.

That being said, I'm not opposed to all-out chemical warfare on them,... but I'm biased.  ;)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on July 04, 2020, 10:45:52 PM
For those of us who are also quite allergic to bee stings - removal would be a blessing.  Also keep in mind the general public when we have events in the pavilion in the future.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 05, 2020, 08:04:00 AM
I was not prepared for war on hornets, but will be next trip. Just thought it was an interesting nest.

Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on July 05, 2020, 02:13:12 PM
Make sure to check the time before approaching the nest.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 11, 2020, 09:34:10 PM
Rough day today. The 5 inches of rain we got filled some of the forms up about hald way and the water wicked up through the cardboard. Quickly made a plan and started fixing. I carefully dig to the footing base and replaced the failing cardboard with PVC culvert. No more worries. Until I got to the 5th one. While backfilling, the Kubota died. It has been starting hard this year, and today was no different. Even when it was warmed up. So there we sit. I have never been happy with the injection pump since I got it back from rebuild, and suspect it needs it again. I want to do some checking before I just send it to Portland.

Anyhow, this means a delay in pouring the cement. I reached out to our local contractor, and he is not available next weekend. So the week after we will dig the remaining footers then have cement delivered after, which is August 1st..which is a conflict with the training but can't be helped. I don't want to pour cement on opening day. I'd like to fill what we have ready, but it would only take about 2 yards, and would rather not waste any. But that may be what I do, just to ensure the work done does not go to waste.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 18, 2020, 08:06:00 PM
Contractor Jeff was available today, so he dug some holes for me..

(https://i.postimg.cc/RVBczZRH/0718201133.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zXFTDYtP/0718201133a.jpg)

Then this afternoon I hauled some staging up and set it up. Then decided to put up a few boards to see what it will look like.. These were left over from the Sheepscot Car Barn extension.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QdN1HYvN/0718201616a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/prtnxsDH/0718201616.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on July 18, 2020, 09:53:00 PM
Looks nice Mike.  I'll suggest finishing/frame the openings so that in the future some type of lightweight "plug" wall could be installed for cold weather operations (V.C.) so that the pavilion could be minimally heated for gatherings and special events.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 19, 2020, 07:22:27 AM
That is a huge space to try and heat. I have thought that roll up tent sides could be hung inside the frame, though they would have to be custom made because of the height.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on July 19, 2020, 10:07:31 AM
I second the roll up curtains inside. They won't detract from the outside appearance of the pavilion but would provide shelter from wind and blowing rain and snow. Blocking the wind is the most important thing as most of our visitors will be dressed for the weather.
All that being said we can wait until the finances improve to plan the details of the curtains.
M.Nix
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on July 19, 2020, 10:56:11 PM
That is a huge space to try and heat. I have thought that roll up tent sides could be hung inside the frame, though they would have to be custom made because of the height.
Remember, we don't have to heat the entire space, just a smaller space like a warming hut.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on July 19, 2020, 11:08:25 PM
When we are back to "normal" (whenever that may be), once you close up the pavilion with as something as simple as canvas flaps, then put Santa and all the other event stuff inside and then 50-100 people, it will start getting warm in there even if it's zero outside.  Now it may only get to 45F - but that is nice and warm when its zero outside.  It's all relative.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on July 20, 2020, 12:28:36 PM
You are correct John. Just blocking from the outside temp would be a help.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: James Patten on August 08, 2020, 05:48:54 PM
Here's where we were at 3:30 this afternoon:
(https://i.imgur.com/IyXxFrh.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 08, 2020, 08:48:32 PM
Contractor Jeff was available this morning, so we set the 2 remaining post bases. Then we decided that it was time to build. We cut and stood all usable posts. We need 2 more, but they were not in stock when I checked this morning.

(https://i.postimg.cc/XJ8z582F/0808201616.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/3NxbFv6q/0808201616a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/x8ppxdV1/0808201616b.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZRZQ0gL4/0808201617.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/L4xW6xgF/0808201624.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on August 09, 2020, 06:07:30 AM
Thanks for the report and pics. To think  it's hardly 10 months since you started clearing the location you've been  doing a good job of work despite winter and C-19 and very quickly at that.Well done you all.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 09, 2020, 10:08:41 AM
I see you had a decent sized crew, Dwight, Zach, and is that Bob Cavanaugh?


Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 09, 2020, 12:32:43 PM
That was the inspection crew. 😀 Dwight and James were with me all day, with a mid afternoon visit by Bob C., Al Cook, Zack and Dave B. for his presidential inspection..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 09, 2020, 04:20:13 PM
So, were Zack, Bob, and Al serving as Dave's Secret Service detail? :o

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 09, 2020, 06:02:49 PM
Yes, you never know when the Alna Roughians are going to show up..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on August 09, 2020, 11:15:18 PM
I have many enemies so I need a detail.
Dave
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on August 13, 2020, 08:30:04 AM
I understand that the Pavilion is a little short of funds for materials to complete due to this years Covid situation.  Without being an official fundraiser, if you have a few bucks to send in via the website (note it for Pavilion), or mail a check, it would be greatly appreciated. 
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: James Patten on August 13, 2020, 10:02:17 AM
The Pavilion will be one of the requests in this year's Annual Fund Drive.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 13, 2020, 10:54:59 AM
Lumber prices are going up almost weekly. We could use the extra money..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on August 13, 2020, 02:35:29 PM
I know in my area 2 x 8, 2 x 10, etc. pressure treated pine boards are double in price from a year ago.  Some home builders are either holding off or charging a lumber surcharge to keep up with the prices.  Throw a few bucks in guys so the Pavilion doesn't need to be in the annual fundraiser  -  we have more than enough projects that are waiting in line.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 14, 2020, 09:29:18 PM
In February I priced the 2 replacement posts at $62 each. I picked up the 2 we needed at $97 a piece.. That is over a 50% increase in less than 6 months..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bob Springs on August 14, 2020, 11:38:30 PM
I am in the process of replacing (all) ties on my 7 1/2 gauge Bountyland Railway with ground contact rated 2x4's. 
I'm paying about $5 per each 8 foot 2x4 which yields 4 ties so they are costing me a buck 25, each.... and I need a lot of them.
Ouch!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on August 15, 2020, 09:06:37 AM
Mike,  threw you some bucks to keep going.  Hope others took note and are contributing also.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 15, 2020, 09:40:10 PM
We had a great crew today, lots of help. Got the 2 remaining (new) posts cut and stood in place, then put up the headers.

(https://i.postimg.cc/4dtbp8d3/0815201623.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/tgsz4RGW/0815201624.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/pd3JhNP7/0815201624a.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 17, 2020, 09:48:27 AM
See Facebook for some action shots.. Excellent coverage of us in action.

https://www.facebook.com/147279126870/posts/10157794946106871/ (https://www.facebook.com/147279126870/posts/10157794946106871/)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on August 17, 2020, 11:24:33 AM
Mike,
        It is great to see your project moving ahead again! At least in August you will not have to worry about frozen ground the way you did last year!

Ted Miles, WW&F Life Member
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 17, 2020, 12:34:59 PM
I don't like to think of it as my project. It is our project.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 17, 2020, 01:15:12 PM
I see Dave's Secret Service detail is down to one.  ::)

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on August 17, 2020, 10:34:54 PM
Jeff, don’t let Dwight fool you. I once saw him take down an adult Moosetrout with his bare hands. I rest easy when he’s on watch.
Dave
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 19, 2020, 06:03:11 PM
Those moosetrout can be a handful, if provoked. ::)

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 20, 2020, 06:13:44 AM
Grab 'em by the horns Jeff, just watch out for the tail. I hear they can be tall.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on August 20, 2020, 10:42:44 AM
Grab 'em by the horns Jeff, just watch out for the tail. I hear they can be tall.
Tall Tailed Moose Trout..... Good one Mike....
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 20, 2020, 03:21:43 PM
Beat me to it, Bill.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Pete "Cosmo" Barrington on August 20, 2020, 10:50:15 PM
Moose trout are only dangerous if you're in the water with them and can't get out....

...they don't keep after you on land like a DUCK will!  ;) :-* :-*
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Arnold on August 21, 2020, 03:21:57 PM
Someone’s got to sell moosetrout in the gift shop! Stuffed animal for the kids.
Mike
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on August 21, 2020, 04:33:40 PM
Someone’s got to sell moosetrout in the gift shop! Stuffed animal for the kids.
Mike

Could go right next to the rubber lobsters and plastic lighthouses.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 21, 2020, 05:23:51 PM
Good one Stewart.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on August 21, 2020, 05:59:39 PM
Someone’s got to sell moosetrout in the gift shop! Stuffed animal for the kids.
Mike

Could go right next to the rubber lobsters and plastic lighthouses.

Perhaps someone with artistic talent could produce a novelty postcard like the following, with a moose trout atop a WW&F flatcar and Dave standing on top:

(https://i.imgur.com/L8gGGIC.png)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Arnold on August 21, 2020, 07:30:18 PM
I like that one. On a flat.
Mike
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on August 21, 2020, 08:53:56 PM
I wouldn't lampoon the moose-trout idea.  If we can get our most notable "Moose-calleur" to spin a new story of the lonely Sheepscot Moose-Trout, then we can create a children's book and the stuffed animal to go with it.  Hey, it's how they market toys and games these days - why not - it worked for Thomas.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on August 21, 2020, 09:50:03 PM
I am sure our notable "Moose-calleur" extraordinaire could come up with a great children't book story, that would also enthrall the troops at the end of a long and productive work weekend.

It would give us all something to look forward to after this Covid mess is over.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 22, 2020, 07:46:52 PM
Todays progress.. We keep poking along

(https://i.postimg.cc/mrLsQSFR/0822201054.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/YSdw8m1F/0822201054a.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bwHPD5r3/0822201513.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/9QjVf2mD/0822201514-Burst01.jpg)

3pm train arriving at AC

(https://i.postimg.cc/PrDThJjG/0822201513e.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/dQpwzdgm/0822201513f.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 22, 2020, 07:52:21 PM
I am thinking next Saturday we will uncover the trusses and check out Clancy the crane, and make sure it runs. We will also set up our jigs and get ready to start assembling the trusses..which will hopefully start the following week.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: James Patten on August 22, 2020, 08:01:40 PM
Notice Fred's Throne has been moved to the center of the pavilion.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on August 23, 2020, 11:57:52 AM
I was just going to ask that. 8)

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 29, 2020, 11:37:34 AM
We removed the temporary sheathing from the trusses today, and got Clancy the Crane fired up.. Then it started to rain.

James was enjoying uncovering the trusses.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Hk7f5P7P/0829200856_HDR.jpg)

Fred is always willing to supervise, even while we chat after the rain started.

(https://i.postimg.cc/HLDFt4wW/0829200951.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/d1JXbsNz/0829200952.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on August 29, 2020, 09:50:43 PM
I’m pleased to report that Fred’s rain resiliency test of the Pavilion roof was so successful that he invited the rest of us to sit underneath to confirm the test. The chair stayed dry.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on August 30, 2020, 07:32:27 AM
Did a price check yesterday. I can now confirm a 2x4, no matter what length, is almost doubled in price.

This means that we will have very little extra money to do anything but assemble the building, unlesd the BOD authorizes more funds for it when it runs dry..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on August 30, 2020, 10:14:54 AM
I again ask members to please chip in some bucks to help out with this project and so we don't have to reprogram museum monies from other needed projects.  Thanx........
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on August 30, 2020, 01:18:18 PM
Perfect storm of events.

https://nebldgsupply.com/strong-demand-and-tight-supply-have-caused-lumber-prices-to-soar/
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: James Patten on August 30, 2020, 03:54:40 PM
The Annual Fund drive letter, which drops on September 1, contains a line item for the Pavilion.  If we go over the goal (which is half of last year's goal) then we plan to further advance the projects in the letter.  So give early and often!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Benjamin Richards on August 31, 2020, 11:12:00 AM
Perfect storm of events.

https://nebldgsupply.com/strong-demand-and-tight-supply-have-caused-lumber-prices-to-soar/

This article doesn't have a publication date, but it appears to have been from Q1 2018, based on the dates of some of the links in the article.

I did find this article on the same site, though: https://nebldgsupply.com/how-has-covid-19-affected-lumber-prices/
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Paul Crabb on August 31, 2020, 08:40:14 PM
The Annual Fund drive letter, which drops on September 1, contains a line item for the Pavilion.  If we go over the goal (which is half of last year's goal) then we plan to further advance the projects in the letter.  So give early and often!

 My letter arrived today 31 August
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on August 31, 2020, 08:59:16 PM
Mine, too. Hope the USPS is able to do this well in November!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John McNamara on August 31, 2020, 09:06:36 PM
Mine too. The USPS understands the importance of WW&F correspondence. ;D
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: James Patten on September 01, 2020, 07:03:55 AM
Mine arrived same day (31st).  If they were all mailed on the same day, that's the fasted mail delivery to Massachusetts that I've ever seen (usually it takes the better part of a week to get anywhere).
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on September 01, 2020, 07:32:34 AM
Mine, too, on the 31st.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 01, 2020, 02:36:35 PM
Same here, the 31st.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on September 01, 2020, 06:10:57 PM
Mine arrived in Virginia on the 1st.  But there is a one day delay at our Senior Living Community due to the Covid delivery of mail internally.  The check went out within the hour....
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Ken Nelson on September 01, 2020, 07:31:22 PM
Mine also came in on the 31st to Cape Cod.  Dave's letter was persuasive, so my check went into the mail this afternoon.  I hope Mike can get the lumber he needs!
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 02, 2020, 07:48:23 AM
We will get the lumber and finish the building, but it potentially puts off the topping material for the gravel floor. We will see when we get closer. On my building project at home, one 2x10 has gone up $2.00 in 2 weeks.. As soon as I finish, the price will probably drop..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 03, 2020, 08:23:46 PM
Planning on putting some trusses together Saturday, hopefully. Fighting a cold so that will play into it.  Picking up lumber on the way Saturday Morning. This will be the west end set.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 03, 2020, 08:46:47 PM
I do hope you are going to leave a little work for those of us from afar to do during FWW.   Some of us have been forced to miss out on all of the fun...
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 03, 2020, 09:08:50 PM
There will be something.. We will see what it brings but I am thinking the siding maybe.. I would like to think the trusses will be all in place by then. I'd like to have something ready so if I am not there then it would be easy to explain so anyone can take the lead..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 04, 2020, 12:45:31 PM
Finally got my letter today, check going in for tomorrows mail.

I would hope that long range we plan to have either a concrete or asphalt surface inside the pavilion.  It would make set-up, clean-up, and maintenance much easier for many of the events planned for the facility.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 05, 2020, 09:33:36 PM
Lumber is very expensive currently. You are looking at enough to do the first section, which totalled over $300. With the end wall and overhang, this will be the most expensive section.

(https://i.postimg.cc/L4Qmg0hL/0905200824_HDR.jpg)

We started off by building the assembly jigs.

(https://i.postimg.cc/3JP7n4Xw/0905200843_HDR.jpg)

Then with a good crew, we had half of the section strapped by lunch, with enough pieces cut to almost do the other side.

(https://i.postimg.cc/900VNygD/0905201134_HDR.jpg)

We then started building the end wall, and I left without a picture..

Next weekend we should easily finish this set and put it up into place.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 06, 2020, 12:10:56 PM
Did President Dave and his security detail stop by? 8)

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 06, 2020, 08:57:44 PM
Yes, he had just left when I took the picture..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on September 06, 2020, 11:05:35 PM
Stewart may have an action photo of me as rigger. I had to move to Sheepscot to be gatekeeper for the 1 and 3 o’clock trains.
Dave
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 12, 2020, 06:23:23 PM
We had a very productive day today
 The west set of trusses was completed and then set and attached after lunch.

(https://i.postimg.cc/DzPVtMpB/0912201123-HDR.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/q7TVDTwN/0912201124-HDR.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Kj4d3vGH/0912201236a-HDR.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/85k8DmqD/0912201236-HDR.jpg)

After we set the trusses up for the next set..

(https://i.postimg.cc/TwtzPW6b/0912201330-HDR.jpg)

Freds view...

(https://i.postimg.cc/pL3p1p5P/0912201415_HDR.jpg)

End of the day

(https://i.postimg.cc/6p880d3H/0912201458_HDR.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on September 12, 2020, 07:21:27 PM
The Pavilion is looking great!


And as Fred  gets teased a lot about those "Fred's chairs", I recently discovered that Fred is the star in this Google Maps 'action photo' 8)   when one currently searches Google Maps for "WW&F Maine".  Yes, I know the screenshot is not specifically the Pavilion, but this seems an appropriate place to mention it.  ;D

(https://i.postimg.cc/5XRZssd3/Fred-Google-Maps.png) (https://postimg.cc/5XRZssd3)
(click image to see larger, then click again to see fullsize)


Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on September 13, 2020, 03:39:50 AM
A silly question perhaps, but why not continue the roof trusses where the old roof stopped rather than starting at the far end and working backward?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 13, 2020, 07:43:35 AM
Not a silly question at all. There is no room for the crane at the other end. So we are starting there and working toward the middle. The last few trusses will be put up individually.

We expect, as well as things have gone and the great help we have had, to be able to build and set a group of trusses a day now.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on September 13, 2020, 11:08:25 AM
So, besides Fred, who were your helpers, Mike?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 13, 2020, 06:23:59 PM
A new volunteer Brian, Zack, James, Dave, Fred and Stewart. 
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on September 13, 2020, 10:16:29 PM
A new volunteer Brian, Zack, James, Dave, Fred and Stewart.
While Brian might be 'new' in perspective of the timeline of the other WW&F members  mentioned in Mike's post, if I am not mistaken he is referring to Brian Strait, who I believe first volunteered at Sheepscot at Spring WWF 2019, [somehow seems like a lifetime ago, pre-covid] :) so perhaps not all that 'new volunteer'. I recognize Brian's name, as IIRC we both joined the WW&F at about the  same time.  ;D
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on September 13, 2020, 10:31:45 PM
Nope, different Brian. Brian Strait is almost an old timer by now.
Dave
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 14, 2020, 07:27:33 AM
I had forgotten Brians last name. Now that I have processed his membership I can say it is Whitney.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 14, 2020, 07:27:59 AM
Because someone has to say it....

We need a way to keep our Brians straight.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 14, 2020, 08:04:52 AM
Good one Ed.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 19, 2020, 07:13:25 PM
8:58, first side done. Brian and I were screwing while Zack, Dwight and Fred lugged lumber.

(https://i.postimg.cc/zfKW7pHq/0919200858.jpg)

09:51. Next side was finished, just in time for a presidential inspection..

(https://i.postimg.cc/YqD1CvwB/0919200951.jpg)

Before 10:30, we had moved the crane into position and set the group.

(https://i.postimg.cc/G3qDX4tT/0919201027.jpg)

Slowly bringing it together.

(https://i.postimg.cc/qqbCq5Sx/0919201110.jpg)

Zack on the left, Fred center and Dwight on the right waiting..

(https://i.postimg.cc/d19CP19X/0919201111.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/FHf0dh9d/Message-1600536094037.jpg)

25 feet up..

(https://i.postimg.cc/vZpf5CBP/Message-1600534718559.jpg)

End of the day. Braced and secured.

(https://i.postimg.cc/xCQm4HLM/0919201501-HDR.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/VLvCpz0G/0919201502-HDR.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 19, 2020, 08:42:10 PM
I so wish I could be there to help.  The Pavilion is going to be gorgeous when it's all done with the siding.  Are we going to paint the wood or just apply wood preservative?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 19, 2020, 09:05:07 PM
No plans on paint yet. I would not mind letting it age naturally, with no paint. Go to grey and blend in (minus the white trim and brown roof) and look like it has been there a while..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on September 21, 2020, 11:19:02 AM
Mike,
        You are not alone; the Durango Railroad Historical Society just built a similar shed in Silverton, Colorado to protect their collection of freight cars. There  are pictures of it over on the Narrow Gauge Discussion Forum. They used that broad gauge track that is three feet across!

Ted Miles, Narrow Gauge fan
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on September 21, 2020, 11:56:38 AM
The new DRHS car shed in Durango is a bit different from the WW&F Pavilion in the the gable ends of the DRHS shed are covered in the same kind of painted/Gavalume steel as the roof.   As I understood it, except for the steel roof, the rest of the Pavilion is/will be wood, with the goal of making it resemble the old corn processing shed seen earlier in this thread.

Here is a photo of the DRHS shed showing the steel ends:
(https://i.postimg.cc/wB8Y2kzk/DRHS-shed.jpg)

Other photos of the DRHS shed seen can be seen in this NGDF thread:
http://ngdiscussion.net/phorum/read.php?1,405185 (http://ngdiscussion.net/phorum/read.php?1,405185)

Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 21, 2020, 12:59:41 PM
That is a nice building. Looks like it may need some bracing, but I can't tell by the photo what has really been done..
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on September 21, 2020, 07:28:46 PM
They had corn processing sheds in the San Juan country??  Never knew that tho I grew up there....

Shades of those along the WW&F (which our pavilion resembles)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on September 25, 2020, 07:03:52 AM
I will not be at the museum Saturday. We will get back to the Pavilion next weekend.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 25, 2020, 11:29:27 AM
Hey Ted,

Just a reminder: 

4' 8 1/2" =  Broad Gauge
3'  0"      =  Std. Gauge
2'  0"      =  "Not so" Narrow Gauge
1'  6"      =  Definitely Narrow Gauge

Per Standards of the Union of "Not So" Professional Track Layers of America - NE Division, Local #9
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Keith Taylor on September 25, 2020, 12:58:00 PM
Hey Ted,

Just a reminder: 

4' 8 1/2" =  Broad Gauge
3'  0"      =  Std. Gauge
2'  0"      =  "Not so" Narrow Gauge
1'  6"      =  Definitely Narrow Gauge

Per Standards of the Union of "Not So" Professional Track Layers of America - NE Division, Local #9
Romney, Hythe and Dymchurch and the Ravenglass and Eskdale railways, both in the UK are 15 inch gauge. And yes....they are common carriers.
Keith
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John Kokas on September 25, 2020, 06:42:09 PM
Thanks Keith for the reminder:

So please add:

1' 3"  =  Just a "Wee" Narrow Gauge

N-S PTLA, NE Div., Local 9   8)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Ted Miles on September 29, 2020, 04:05:19 PM
 You guys are so narrow-minded; what are you ever going to do if you visit the Baltimore Trolley Museum which is five-foot, four and a half inches gauge?

Ted Miles, WW&F Life Member, Built #11 supporter
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Dave Crow on September 29, 2020, 05:28:43 PM
Ted,

BSM is 5 feet 4 and a half inches, about 2 inches wider than Pennsylvania Standard Gauge.

From someone that built a fair bit of the track there...

Dave Crow
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Roger Cole on September 29, 2020, 05:33:29 PM
The steam railroads of the day didn't want trolley/streetcar lines interchanging freight cars with them, so most trolley lines had to be a different gauge than 4 foot 8 1/2 inches.  If the trolleys wanted to also deliver freight, they would have to transload the contents which would make it more expensive than using the standard-gauge railroads.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 03, 2020, 09:37:08 PM
A great day today. We had about 10 volunteers helping.

8:48. First side was done

(https://i.postimg.cc/jqfkcMPM/1003200848-HDR.jpg)

9:30. While the Presidential Inspection was occuring, we finished the second side, and had a coffee break.

(https://i.postimg.cc/yx0QNNsM/1003200930-HDR.jpg)

After a short break, we set the trusses on the headers, and hooked everything together before lunch. After lunch we added some bracing and finished strapping some of the ridge, then managed to get Clancy out of the Pavilion.

We then moved our assembly area over by the stack of trusses. We have the next 5 ready to go. And a solid plan to get the rest up the following weekend.

(https://i.postimg.cc/MK83F1Yq/1003201519-HDR.jpg)

The cost of 2x4s continue to rise. An 8 foot is up to $6.24, and a 10 foot is $9.36. Both are more than double of what we paid when we started this project in December..
 We are ok on funding, but we may just get the building up and not have much left over. We will see..


Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on October 04, 2020, 12:20:21 AM
Good job of work and thanks for the report. At this rate you'll definetely win the race against the snow.
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 10, 2020, 09:16:40 PM
Another day, another group of trusses built and installed. We had great help, and great suggestions how to get the trusses from the ground to being set, after my initial plan did not work as expected.

We took our time this morning, and enjoyed some great conversation. But, by 9:30, we had one side done, and 10 we were done with the other.

(https://i.postimg.cc/DZ0kZxQK/1010200926-HDR.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Dw3Tgdhq/1010201003-HDR.jpg)

Going up..

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZRQky6jv/1010201023-HDR.jpg)

We got busy tying everything together, and at 2pm, I took this.

(https://i.postimg.cc/RZ1zb6C2/1010201401-HDR.jpg)

End of the day, we had put 2 trusses under what we had built over the winter. 4 trusses left..we will set those one at a time on Saturday, and then attach the strapping..

(https://i.postimg.cc/8P6GMX2p/1010201537a-HDR.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/YSbBM5W3/1010201537-HDR.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/QMXrL8HC/1010201546-HDR.jpg)
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: John McNamara on October 10, 2020, 10:37:12 PM
Have you selected the tree for the "topping off" ceremony?
Title: Re: Event Pavilion for Alna Center - Official Reassembly Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on October 11, 2020, 07:46:36 AM
We had it on the front portion. Had not thought about doing it for this section.