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Title: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: James Patten on April 03, 2019, 06:49:45 AM
Anticipated work for Saturday April 6:

* Flatcar 34
* Car shop organizing, insulating, and sheathing
* Outdoor spring cleaning

Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: James Patten on April 06, 2019, 06:57:38 PM
Work done on Saturday April 6:

* Flatcar 34: Work was done to finish the two trucks, including getting the brake rigging on.
* Locomotive wood: Fred built a wood platform north of the wood shed and spent the morning carting wood from the west side of the parking lot to the platform.
* Spring cleaning: I heard Mike working with the equipment over near the woods track, not sure what he was doing.  I know the dozer was smoothing out the driveway.
* Beaver dam: Dams from last year showed signs of renewal, so earlier this week crews went up to take one down; Mike went up with the excavator and tried to reduce them.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Fred Morse on April 06, 2019, 07:18:04 PM
Three people were making 36 inch wide pallets, Because were putting them between tracks that the widest they cab be. They made 4 pallets for about 24 Ft. long. I had help on both loading and unloading the tractor. Theres still a lot of wood left to be split. Mike also pulled logs from the woodpile and put them on old ties so they will be easy to cut up into firewood. A lot way going on today everywhere,
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Mike Fox on April 06, 2019, 08:49:06 PM
South truck (non brake end) was installed on 34 this afternoon after the bearings were packed and the pivot was greased.

I started building a pad on the north side of the container for a storage track. We have several 4 wheeled carts that have been removed from the rails, and I wanted a more permanent storage area. It may wind up being 2 tracks wide if I can fit them in. I almost got the tractor stuck due to the soft ground so I stopped working on that and will continue next week. This is all part of neatening up the parkinglot, and making it look presentable. We have done a great job so far, with a huge effort last year that made a big difference. I think what ever I get done next weekend will be it around the container for now, with Easter 2 weeks away, the work weekend the week after (I think), then start some ditching the week after that.

Beaver dams that were removed were done so with permission from IF&W. They were causing erosion to our grade. Some trees that had fallen and were impeding the flow of the brook were also carefully removed. They were dead and just laying there, with exception to a fir tree that had blown over and landed on the grade. I was able to break that (forgot to bring a saw) and get most of it out of the way. The only bad spot is the foot bridge over the brook. Last year I laid a couple of hemlock logs over the brook, lashed them together with a chain, and walked the excavator across, one side on the bridge, the other on the logs. A very unnerving feeling. I said it had a pucker factor of 9.9..
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Bill Reidy on April 06, 2019, 10:56:07 PM
Some photos from today.  None include Mike's work, but I saw plenty of evidence he was busy today, with bulldozer and Kubota tracks across our Sheepscot campus!

I spent the day trying to help/keep out of the way our experienced shop crew.

First thing this morning, Fred Morse led an effort to build 36"-wide pallets so split firewood can season and be ready for the steam crew this year between shop bay tracks 1 & 2.  I spent a little time helping, before Fred and Brian Strait completed the day's work.  This first photo shows the split wood stacked to the right of the existing sheltered crib.  The piled wood today stands on two of the four pallets built today.
(https://i.imgur.com/YBmwvCI.jpg?1)

A wider view showing the four pallets built in place and ready for additional split wood.
(https://i.imgur.com/WpFNt1Y.jpg?1)

The shop's focus today was getting the restored Bridgton & Saco River flat car No. 34 ready for service for Spring Work Weekend later this month.  In this photo, Capt. J.B. Smith looks on as James Patten works of the truck with brakes in bay 1.  Brian Strait (background) assisted on this effort.
(https://i.imgur.com/iiWiDQW.jpg)

J.B looks over the "B" (non-brake) truck, after preparation work led by Leon Weeks had been performed on the truck this morning and early afternoon.  J.B. handled the removal of old packing and looks over the truck before he installed the new packing.
(https://i.imgur.com/vGUc7R7.jpg)

These next photos show the B truck installation after J.B. completed the new packing installation.  In this photo, the truck has been moved over from bay 3 to bay 2, before installation.  The bay 2 overhead crane is about to lift the south end of car #34, allowing the removal of blocking and installation of the truck.  Pictured left-to-right are Jason Lamontagne, J.B. on the overhead crane chains, Zack Wyllie who led the car's restoration, and Brian Strait.
(https://i.imgur.com/Bb1iKVV.jpg?1)

The south truck is rolled into place by Jason and Alan Downey, as Brian (left) and Zack (right) look on positioning, while J.B. handled the overhead crane chains.
(https://i.imgur.com/eTgVWyQ.jpg?1)

The view after the B truck had been installed today.
(https://i.imgur.com/oGYJbKT.jpg?1)

While this other work was going on, Rich Currie and Rick Knight worked on the brake stand for car #34.
(https://i.imgur.com/R5cQLm2.jpg?1)

My day was capped by attending the Alna Volunteer Fire Department's ham and bean supper a couple of miles north on Route 218.  A very good meal, attended by good friends.  This is my first and hopefully not last opportunity to attend.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Paul Uhland on April 07, 2019, 11:10:51 AM
Great work.
The installed truck is now under the car's A end.
The other truck, with brake beams, shoes, operation linkage connected by short chain to its brake wheel/staff, will carry the car's B (brake control) end.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: James Patten on April 10, 2019, 07:02:26 AM
Anticipated work for Saturday April 13

* Flatcar 34: Whatever work we need to do to get the car in service.
* Easter prep (Saturday the 20th)
* SWW prep (26th - 28th)
* Spring cleaning outdoors
* A track inspection might be a good idea.
* Board meeting at 4:00
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Fred Morse on April 11, 2019, 01:06:01 PM
All the snow we got this week is about gone so I plan on splitting wood tomorrow and Sat. Got to get that job out of the way. I'm sure some will be done on the SWW too.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Joe Fox on April 11, 2019, 05:56:50 PM
Track inspection will be done next week. However I am hoping to do some track work provided I have the day off. 5 or 6 ties in the yard north of the water tower need to be replaced. If I am unable to be there and someone leads the efforts I would be forever gratefull. Feel free to contact me and I will provide details.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 11, 2019, 10:21:50 PM
Yesterday I finished the two ballast chutes.  Tomorrow if it doesn't rain I will paint them.  I still need to come up with a brace to hold them up in the slide position when ballasting.  I know they are crude but my 'home machine shop' consist of a vice, sawzall, drill, bench grinder and a hammer.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 11, 2019, 10:25:21 PM
Here is a side view of the ballast chute.  The wheel barrow wheel is for moving it around, to under the flat car and removing it from under the flat car.  The side rail wheels are for moving it to the left and right along the rail while ballast is routed under the flat car to between the rails.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Bob Holmes on April 11, 2019, 10:38:29 PM
Rest assured that someone (like maybe Brendan or Jason) will come up for a solution to brace them when ballasting.  Just get them here and let the rest of us all at it....
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Paul Uhland on April 12, 2019, 12:53:30 AM
Nice work, Bob.
I'm sure the ballast crew will add any needed mods.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Mike Fox on April 12, 2019, 06:20:28 AM
Looks good Bill. Hope it works like you plan.  You never know how well it will until you try.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 12, 2019, 07:57:53 AM
Looks good Bill. Hope it works like you plan.  You never know how well it will until you try.

My worry is how well it fits under the truss rods of the flat car.  Just don't know until I get them there and try them.  I got an idea last night on how to brace them and will put that together this weekend.

We'll see in less than two weeks now.

B2
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Steve Smith on April 12, 2019, 12:13:29 PM
Bill, about the bowl-shaped objects apparently coupled back-to-back to make the flanged wheels: I'm not familiar with them. Are they manufactured for that specific purpose? I'm guessing they were not designed for that but you saw their potential.

While on, gotta mention a trick our Mac just tried to pull on me: Lousy typist that I am, I mistyped "familiar," and that @#$%^&* infuriating correction "feature" in our Mac decided that I had meant "foamier" and plugged that into the sentence. Aaaargh how I hate that thing!! Tim Cook, quit torturing me!!! Yeah, yeah, I know. I should have taken that touch typing class back in high school.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: John McNamara on April 12, 2019, 01:35:15 PM
I am pleased (?) to report that typographical errors long predate computers. At one job, I was producing a report on centralized dictation systems. When it came back for my review, it contained the following, "At Mass General, they have 18-minute rapes." It should have been tapes. At another job, a signal lead on a schematic was labeled "Branch Teat." It should have been "Branch Test." This was hand lettered, so no computer was involved, just a wandering mind. At Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC), a secretary came by weekly to deliver copies of the "DEC Engineering Newsletter" to our cubicles. Minute by minute, laughter emitted from another cubicle as another engineer read of the latest effort at company standards for storage media, "DEC STD 054 The DEC Floppy Dick Standard." We concluded that the company's standardization efforts had gone much too far.
-John M
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 12, 2019, 02:05:07 PM
Bill, about the bowl-shaped objects apparently coupled back-to-back to make the flanged wheels: I'm not familiar with them. Are they manufactured for that specific purpose? I'm guessing they were not designed for that but you saw their potential. ...

...Yeah, yeah, I know. I should have taken that touch typing class back in high school...

Steve, What I did was to buy six tubed wheel barrow wheels at the local tractor supply company, I took four of them apart and discarded the new tubes and tires.  I added two washers on each bolt between the two wheel hub halves to give the proper flange spacing for 60 pound rail.  The other two are the barrow wheels in the center of the two chutes.  I am bringing the discarded tubes and wheels with me in case my idea doesn't work.  That way someone can remove the wheels and washers and remount the tires and tubes.  They are similar to what is under the four wheel green cart that is used around the shop. 

Last summer one of the green cart wheels was flat and one can only buy the whole wheel.  Now we have four spares.

In the event my idea fails, perhaps ROWMOW manufacturing can use the wheels to make a heavy duty shop cart.  You know, duelies on the back like the Yeti.

On the typing issue, I have no excuse, I did take touch typing in high school.  All it did was allow me to make more mistakes per minute than I could before.  It did nothing for my inability to spell.

B2
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Vincent "Lightning" LeRow on April 12, 2019, 03:40:01 PM
Quote
All it did was allow me to make more mistakes per minute than I could before.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Fred Morse on April 12, 2019, 04:32:52 PM
Dwight and I split quite a lot of wood today, hope we can get it stacked tomorrow on the firewood pallets. It has to be moved before we can split much more. Someday when were not cutting any more trees on our property we'll probably be buying wood, but that will be a while.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 12, 2019, 06:28:03 PM
...Someday when were not cutting any more trees on our property we'll probably be buying wood, but that will be a while.
Fred, As long as you are around, I don't think any of us can imagine a time when you can't find a tree somewhere on the property that needs to be cut.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Steve Smith on April 12, 2019, 09:51:41 PM
Thanks for the explanation re the wheels, Bill, and for the laugh at the end!  ;D
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: John Kokas on April 12, 2019, 10:14:20 PM
Not worried about not having trees to cut Fred,  I think we just need to look "south" a wee bit and there are plenty to take care of.   8)
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: James Patten on April 13, 2019, 08:04:05 PM
Work done on Saturday April 13.

All work was done at Sheepscot, let's see if I can get it all!
* Flatcar 34: The second truck was rolled under and lots of work done to hook up the brakes and get cutting levers built.  The flatcar was manually rolled out into the sun and back.
* Car shop: Jay was busy putting vapor barrier up on the east wall.
* Loco wood: Dwight ran the splitter all day up NW of the parking lot, and Fred ferried the split wood over to the wood shed/platform.  Many many loads, but there's still some wood left to be cut up then split.
* Parking area clean up: Mike was moving things around with the forklift but was getting mired down in the mud, which got worse and deeper as the day went on.
* Switching: Jason wanted some cars switched around, which Ed and I took care of.  Linda worked to clean Coach 3 and 11.  At the end one train consist was arranged for next week's Easter trains.
* Board meeting.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Bill Reidy on April 14, 2019, 07:41:42 AM
* Flatcar 34: The second truck was rolled under and lots of work done to hook up the brakes and get cutting levers built.  The flatcar was manually rolled out into the sun and back.

Photos of flat car #34's roll out yesterday can be found in the B&SR #34 flat car - Official Work Thread (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3337.msg41417.html#msg41417).
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Dwight Winkley on April 14, 2019, 10:27:18 AM
Al also helped with the wood splinting. Plus other members I could not see helped to unload and stack the wood behind the shop.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Steve Smith on April 15, 2019, 12:36:21 AM
Bill Baskerville, thanks for the explanation of those flanged wheels. Cool!
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Fred Morse on April 16, 2019, 02:49:38 PM
Today, the rest of the split wood was move to the pallets and a few of the logs were cut to length. Plan on cutting more logs tomorrow. Looks like rain Sat. Hope not!!
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Paul Uhland on April 17, 2019, 01:14:38 AM
Any more insulation/sheathing progress?
Looks close to being finished.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Mike Fox on April 17, 2019, 06:07:20 AM
The report we got Saturday night was they were finished for now. They had run out of wall insulation, and did not want to use the ceiling/roof insulation for the wall. The current plan is to finish it in the fall. Subject to change of course.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: James Patten on April 17, 2019, 07:06:29 AM
Anticipated work for Saturday April 20:

* Easter Eggspress.  All hands needed on deck.  Running two trains.  Rain likely  >:(.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Fred Morse on April 17, 2019, 03:02:43 PM
Today all the logs that were in the wood pile were cut to stove wood length and the smaller oak logs and bad ones Steve Z gave us were cut up, the rest went to a saw mill to make end sills and other pieces. They are supposed to be picked up tomorrow. Fast work!!!
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: James Patten on April 20, 2019, 06:15:20 PM
Work done on April 20:

* Easter Eggspress.  Despite the weather, we had a good group of visitors.  We ran two trains, hauled by 3 and 9.  No train went out totally full, but most trains had a pretty good crowd.  I haven't heard the number of riders.  This year we traded golden eggs for raffle ticket numbers.  I heard that the parents were better behaved this year.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Joe Fox on April 20, 2019, 06:44:17 PM
So many first time riders today. Lots and lots of happy faces, and thank yous. Everyone I spoke to had a great time. Now for the really really cool part. We had families from Bangor, Skowheagan, Freeport, and many other areas all riding for the first time. Everything seemed to go smoothly. And more importantly, many of our new first timers said they will definately be back for future events. :)

Job well done to everyone who helped make today a great day, and we got to introduce and share our little railroad to some new families.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Bob Holmes on April 20, 2019, 07:23:00 PM
Will someone please be doing an analysis of ridership today, and whether or not the price increase helped, hurt, or was neutral?

That seems to me to be an important follow-up to the controversial discussion about the price change.

Thanks.

Bob
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 20, 2019, 08:01:40 PM
Steve P and I had a preliminary discussion on this analysis.

Understand that the weather (predicted and manifest) has historically had a severe impact on the success of these events, thus the rain that was predicted for today likely affected presales and the rain that fell likely precluded walk up traffic.

Last year, 2018, we presold 680 tickets, and had total sale around 800.  Ticket prices were $5 for everyone 4 years old and up. 

This year, 2019, we presold 643 tickets, with total sales just under 700.  Ticket prices were $5 4yrs to 12 yrs; $10 13 yrs and up.

Note that only our adult ticket price changed; we did this knowing most ridership are children.  As such our average ticket income went from $5 in 2018 to $6.80 in 2019.

Presales are always stronger in the final week leading up to the event.  We suspect this year’s final week presales were likely affected by the forecast.

Finally, we eliminate the golden egg this year.  That clearly changed the entire tone of the event for the positive.  Honestly with that change and the new price structure, I feel we enacted a fresh start this year.

Thanks,
Jason
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Bill Reidy on April 20, 2019, 11:29:20 PM
I'll echo most of Jason's comments.

-- The weather forecast this week for Saturday was for heavy rain.  Make no mistake -- it was damp today -- but we did not see any torrential rain.  I'm sure the forecast discouraged some families from attending, particularly day of sale.  This clearly impacted ridership.

-- But those that did had a great time.  Without exception, every family I spoke with enjoyed the event.  I lost count of how many kids were having a blast playing in the rain!

-- Replacement of the golden egg with a ticket draw for Easter baskets was an inspired idea.   This eliminated the unintended competitive element of the event.  While I didn't hear it directly, I understand several parents expressed gratitude the golden egg hunt was eliminated.

From my perspective today, the price change for adults did not significantly impact ridership, so I call it neutral.  I say that as someone who had been concerned with that change.

The few photos I took today are posted in this thread. (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3433.msg41493.html#msg41493)
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on April 21, 2019, 01:12:33 AM
So you made it big again despite that awful weathear GREAT ! I'm leaving for Pithiviers in lovely weather I wish the AMTP  would gotten 700 riders today and tomorrow alltogether. Have a nice Easter.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Joe Fox on April 21, 2019, 03:52:05 AM
No one I spoke with made any mention of any complaints of any kind. I did hear some regulars to the event say they liked it with the light crowds, especially compared to last year.

When we have families travel all the way from Bangor, Skowheagan, Jay, Brewer, and many other far away areas specifically for this event, that speaks volumes. And they all said it was well worth the long drive. :)
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Keith Taylor on April 21, 2019, 04:33:07 PM


When we have families travel all the way from Bangor, Skowheagan, Jay, Brewer, and many other far away areas specifically for this event, that speaks volumes. And they all said it was well worth the long drive. :)

Do we advertise outside of out immediate area? I’m not surprised to hear that folks have traveled a fair distance to attend. I wonder if more widespread advertisement might pay off with greater attendance? In this day and age people don’t mind making a day of a trip to a distant spot for a wholesome and fun day with the family.

Keith
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Bob Holmes on April 21, 2019, 07:20:11 PM
I did not realize that the price change was adults and older teens only.  That in fact makes a lot of sense as many kid-friendly venues have that pricing structure.  So overall, it sounds like a complete success, and sets a good precedent moving forward.

Bob
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Mike Fox on April 21, 2019, 07:33:43 PM
Facebook has been instrumental for gaining more ground as far as advertising. Families will travel some decent distances for an event like we had. I noticed families didn't mind the rain and even came prepared for it with extra clothes and plastic bags to sit on. Plenty of smiling faces and friendly waves when they returned.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 21, 2019, 07:38:17 PM
We have about 7,200 people following our Facebook page.

The Thursday post last week, featuring a B&W photo easy of railroad operations over the last 20 year was viewed by over 10,000 people
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on April 21, 2019, 10:41:45 PM
Facebook targeting "boosts" (ads that went out to specific demographics) went out to 2 areas centered around southern Maine, Augusta, and Bangor.

Posters went up locally, along with some other local sharing of the event.

It was a great day and people had a really nice time from all of the comments I've read and heard in person. Great job team.

Steve
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: James Patten on April 24, 2019, 06:48:09 AM
Anticipated work for April 26 - 28: Spring Work Weekend.

* Mountain Extension ballasting (but of course!).  The plan is that there will be two trains of two flatcars, both steam hauled.  Loading at AC, crossing at ToM.  And jacking and tamping too.  This project is the highest priority project.
* Alna Center might have a crew to help clear out trees in preparation for the pavilion (depending on the number of people).
* Sheepscot ditching for conduit and drainage between the garage and restroom.
* Sheepscot prepping for concrete forms for the utility drop building.
* Feeding the troops.
* Car shop boarding up the remaining walls that have been insulated.
* Car shop machine shop area organizing and clean up.
* Networking upgrade throughout the campus.
* Rules Review Saturday night.

Bring rain gear - current forecast is for rain from Friday afternoon through Saturday morning.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: James Patten on April 27, 2019, 07:41:08 PM
Work done on Saturday April 27:

* Track ballasting: working from north to south, track was ballasted and later tamped.  Ballast was brought up well past the former slide.
* Machine shop: was the busiest that I recall seeing it.  At the north end was the MNG Flatcar: the flatcar that arrived earlier this week as part of the ballast fleet was upside-down in the shop getting end beams put on (in replacement for the end platforms), and coupler work.   Then electrical work was going on at the central part of the shop.  At the south end was work on the new motor for the PTO pump for the flanging machine.  The east wall had been boarded over yesterday and was getting window trim, while the northern walls of bays 1 and 3 were getting boarded over insulation.
* Networking: Husband and wife team Russ and Eva yesterday ran wires through the conduit and got the house wifi re-established and hooked up to the internet.  Today they ran network cables thoughout the house and got the printer hooked up.  I was charged with getting the campus wifi up to the peak of the house, so I got Galo to climb to the top and place it.
* Food: a great spread headed up by Nancy and helped by a kitchen crew.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Philip Marshall on April 27, 2019, 10:22:27 PM
* Machine shop: was the busiest that I recall seeing it.  At the north end was the MNG Flatcar: the flatcar that arrived earlier this week as part of the ballast fleet was upside-down in the shop getting end beams put on (in replacement for the end platforms), and coupler work.   

By 8:30pm the flat car had been flipped over and was on trucks again.
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Russ Nelson on April 29, 2019, 09:43:05 PM
Video of the flatcar being flipped and set on trucks: https://youtu.be/9HfvMdSJQJE
Title: Re: April 2019 Work Reports
Post by: Fred Morse on April 30, 2019, 05:42:18 AM
If the rain ever stops, we'll be moving split wood to the track area, also there is still quite a lot of wood to be split. A great job was done Sat. a lot was split and the rest stacked in rows to be split. More pallets will have to be made to put the wood on. It may be the middle of June or July before we can start cutting ties.