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Title: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on February 17, 2019, 03:22:41 AM
A new piece of track maintenance equipment arrived at Sheepscot yesterday.

Last Fall the California State Railroad Museum in Sacramento declared their tie changing machine surplus as they had snagged a newer, larger machine.  Wayne Laepple, working with Jason, James and myself made arrangements to have their surplus tie changing machine packed and shipped to Sheepscot where it arrived Friday. 

This new addition to our track gang's tool box will make maintaining our existing track go a lot quicker, and easier on our volunteers.  Keep in mind that portions of our track are 25 years old and maintaining what we have becomes more important as time marches on.

This un-budgeted opportunity was made possible by a friend of our Museum which allowed us to move forward quickly when the machine became available.  The gift includes funds for the re-gauging and any repairs or modifications.

Pictures to follow.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on February 17, 2019, 07:19:44 AM
Good news ! Well done for that purchase. You are right to buy machines and equipements to help you to keep up the track because track maintenance is of paramount importance  in many respects but it's often a time consumming and gruelling task. 
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on February 17, 2019, 12:55:51 PM
Wayne supplied us with these pictures. It is the red unit.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/tie1_zpsi8xzagcp.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/tie2_zps39wy6j4b.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/tie3._zpsunm1dzac.jpg)

It needs regauging and a thorough going through, checking it out before we use it. I did notice the old Briggs and Stratton engine on it that had a pull cord start. No recoil.. Wrap the rope, pull. Wrap the rope. That may get a modification..
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on February 17, 2019, 03:02:02 PM
Looks like ROWMOW Mfg has a new project. It will be interesting to see how this will be modified.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on February 17, 2019, 05:08:57 PM
Thank you Wayne for those pics. But I wonder how that rig operates. When it's  adapted for the two-foot gauge it'll spare the track crew a lot of pains. As for the pull cord start it calls for some skill and quite a lot of patience. On the AMTP the machine that we use to screw the big screws ,in French tire-fond, to fix the rail to the tie is powered by a serviceable  Bernard gas engine with a pullcord start that often gets on the in charge volunteer's nerves.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on February 17, 2019, 06:17:53 PM
But I wonder how that rig operates.

I see in the first photo a large  'claw' (attached to the horizontal hydraulic cylinder with a spot of yellow paint) that is capable of seizing the sides of a tie already in the track. Then a ram pushes the claw away from the track, dragging the tie with it.  Of course, someone would have previously removed the spikes from that tie.

Putting the new tie in is pretty much the reverse. Position the new tie outside the rail while the ram is still extended, grab the tie with the claw  and have the ram retract, pulling/pushing the tie under the rails (and under the machine).  Move to the next tie to be replaced and repeat.   

You can see photos of a similar concept machine with the ram extended here:
http://www.epptrack.com/epp3000.html
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on February 17, 2019, 06:29:43 PM
... But I wonder how that rig operates. ...
The other thing to remember is that when the vertical piston lowers the claws down to the tie, it also drives down a 'U' shaped bracket over the rail which absorbs the force of tie being extracted or inserted.  Since the rail is spiked to all the adjacent ties and opposite rail it provides an anchor for the machine thru that attachment point.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on February 17, 2019, 07:09:54 PM
Some versions of this machine are equipped with two hydraulic jacks that will raise the machine and the rail a bit to release the tie about to be removed, which is a nice feature if the tie is plate-cut or the rail has been crushed down into the tie. Other models have a spike driver and/or spike puller attachment, and some had a small hand-held tamper as well. This one appears to be the very basic model with none of those refinements. However, that is not say we couldn't add any of these features if we wanted to.

In my experience in using one of these, with four or five men, it was possible to change out 40-50 ties a day, and if you were only removing and replacing and not spiking, it was easy to change 100-125 in a day. As long as you are not changing several in a row, it doesn't hurt to leave the new ties unspiked for a day or two. We would often change ties for two or three days at a time, then go back and spike them all in one day. It's also very helpful to come along with the tamper and tamp the new ties before spiking them.

The key to doing this in a productive manner is preparation. Drop new ties wherever an old one is to be replaced, dig out the ballast from the end of the old tie and use a pick to loosen the ballast along each side. Then when you come along with the machine, you just have to yank out the spikes and you're ready to go.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on February 17, 2019, 10:37:15 PM
In my time with a tie inserter at Conway, we cpuld change 180-190 ties per day. All that had to be done ahead of time was pull out the spikes and knock off the rail anchors if there were any. So we would have two guys pulling spikes, and two guys with the machine. Near the end of my time there we started putting the ties in 1/8" lower than the rail to allow some pressure on the tie plate once we put the tie plates on. If the tie went in and was not to the desired height it was left as is and move to the next one.

These smaller machines like the one we purchased will be a little less efficient however is an almost ideal size machine for us to regauge and reuse. A full size tie inserter would cost a lot of money, and need to be reworked entirely.

Tie changing machines are also extremely easy to derail, misalign track, or hump track.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on February 17, 2019, 11:10:47 PM
Thanks Graham for the explanations. Now I figure how it works .  The ad and photos  remind me  that I saw such a machine  operated on SNCF standard gauge way back.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on February 18, 2019, 02:01:58 AM
I'm sure some experimentation in technique will be necessary to avoid humping the track. Again speaking from experience, this machine will not be at fault if that happens. It will be human error. Once the old tie is out, clear the ballast out of the space enough that the new tie can easily be slid in without needing to jack the track. That's the trick.

I am also of the opinion that since this machine was designed to handle full length standard gauge ties, it may have enough power to shove an old tie out while at the same time pushing a new tie in. It's worth a try, at least.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Joe Fox on February 18, 2019, 10:34:17 AM
If there is a way to move the "arm" up or down, you can control how deep the tie goes in the ballast easily with no need for any manual labor at all except pulling spikes and spiking in the new tie. The hydraulics should have enough pressure to slide the new tie right into the old hole, while being able to control the tie with the claw and arm.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on February 18, 2019, 12:28:43 PM
This machine does not have that ability, Joe.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on February 18, 2019, 11:02:38 PM
Never having used a machine like that I don't know if it would work, but it looks like full length axels could be made and the wheels just moved in.
By the way, if a motor replacement is desired that one looks old enough to be collectible. Don't scrap it.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 03, 2019, 10:41:10 PM
The new Tie Changer has been relocated to ROWMOW Mfg. I have spent the last week deciding how to make the new frame member. I had thoughts of a new sub-frame, to eliminate the need to attach a short frame member to each oil tanks. But in raising it the 3 inches, it would create additional work. Jason suggested keeping it the same height, and adding the short pieces to the tanks. So, I have thought of a modification that, though attached to the tanks, will keep most force (weight of the machine on the axle) off of the tank by bracing over and under the tank.

I have been puttering a little. First step will be remove the axles for reuse. They are welded in. I worked for over an hour today grinding away the welds. Still not free yet. So I think the steel around them will be sacraficed, and I'll use a torch and take the fight out of them. Trying to pound them out is not easy on the axle.

As soon as the welding is done, I will refill the hydraulic tanks and then try getting the machine running. The operating manual Wayne found makes this sound very interesting. It still will involve some manual labor, like lining up the tie and cleaning out the crib. Cleaning the ballast out of the tie crib is important, as the boik says not doing so will cause the machine to overheat, and put extra stress on it.

Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 03, 2019, 11:55:07 PM
Mike, thanks for the update. Hooray for ROWMOW mfg! We are in good hands now.  In no time at all Joe and his minions will be knocking out old ties and sliding in new ones.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 04, 2019, 02:35:23 PM
Looking forward to seeing things as work progresses.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 04, 2019, 05:33:27 PM
As I have noted previously, this machine was designed to pull out and push in standard gauge ties and even long switch timbers. It will have no trouble at all with our short ties. In fact, I think it would be able to use a new tie to push the old tie out the opposite side. The main things to do prior to pulling the old tie are  (a) dig away any ballast at the end of the tie and (b) drag a pick along each side of the tie to loosen the compacted ballast a bit. And it will only take a few seconds to clean out the tie crib enough to push the new tie through. The whole point of this machine is to reduce the hand labor and effort required to remove the old tie and place the new one.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 09, 2019, 01:41:12 AM
Plugging away when I can, I have finally removed the 2 axle stubs, made new frame members, fitted the axles into the drilled holes in the new frame, and attached one frame member to the machine. I took picture, but something got lost in the upload. One picture I uploaded came out showing my boots (not in the pic I uploaded), one showed just part of what I took a picture of, and another was not what I really wanted to show. So, here are the best ones of the ones I took today. Another 2 hours or so and the frame will be in good shape.

One thing I did notice is a cylinder is leaking. I will look up the seals and see if I can get them fixed.. They look easy to do luckily..


(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0308191419_zpskh2sgt1e.jpg)
New frame members..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0308191500_zpspd7gpc6y.jpg)
Fitting the axle stubs

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0308191748_zpsj3ekwbqs.jpg)
One axle installed..I put the wheel on for the picture..
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 09, 2019, 01:08:27 PM
Thanks for posting the photos, Mike.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 09, 2019, 01:51:24 PM
Great progress Mike. The track gang of gandy dancers are pleased I am sure.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on March 10, 2019, 07:24:43 AM
Thanks for the photos Mike. As usual things are coming along fast on the WW&F.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Dag Bonnedal on March 10, 2019, 03:10:43 PM
Just as comparison.
Here is an home built 2 ft, tie changer in action:
http://museijarnvagenimariefred.se/slipersbyte-21-nov/

and after some maintenance work with a new cylinder and some paint:
http://museijarnvagenimariefred.se/onsdagsarbete-i-verkstaden-16-jan-2019/
bottom of blog post.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 10, 2019, 10:35:19 PM
I do what I can when I can..
A few hours this morning before the snow..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0310190949a_zpsquy5f0ha.jpg)
Prepared where the new frame will go (saw horses at a little over 2 feet apart)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0310190949_zps46nbxzrw.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0310191103_zpsovqwnndv.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0310191106_zpsnlpoazzj.jpg)
You can't always use wire feed.. Had a tight spot to get. I did ok..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0310191202_zpsi2mtqghb.jpg)

There is still about an hour of work to go. I need to remove all the engine oil I put in, saving it to put back in, and roll the machine to weld the bottom in a couple of spots. I don't care to weld overhead. Splatter and burns.. Then wash it.
I did install some gussets above the new frame members.


Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 10, 2019, 10:39:44 PM
Dag, that is very innovative. Thank you for sharing that.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Richard Johnson on March 10, 2019, 11:10:17 PM
looks like a lot of overhang on one side. how is the weight balanced on the rail?
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 10, 2019, 11:28:22 PM
The working head weighs a lot. When attached (after welding) it will make the machine more ballanced. I need to attach it for an overall picture, then it will be evident.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 10, 2019, 11:46:26 PM
The gussets will really help stiffen things up. That was a good idea.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 11, 2019, 02:26:05 AM
Mike, you’re really doing a great job, and quickly also. I can’t wait to see the final product this SWW.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 11, 2019, 09:45:42 AM
Wayne, I wanted sonething even beefier, but could not pull it off due to clearance. Not visible is the 1/2" x 3" bar that is under the tanks, that is welded to the end of the new frame members. I have 1 more idea that I may do. It will just add more rigidity..
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 11, 2019, 01:09:10 PM
The working head weighs a lot. When attached (after welding) it will make the machine more ballanced. I need to attach it for an overall picture, then it will be evident.
Mike, will the completed machine be too wide to roll past Alna and the sheepscot station?  What about the water tank?
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 11, 2019, 02:30:46 PM
Bill --

While these machines have four wheels and towing points, in my own experience, towing is not a great idea, at least not for any distance. Because the wheelbase is so short and the machine is not balanced to the center, it tends to sort of "wiggle" up the track if its speed is much more than a walk and it may even twist enough to derail.  With the overhang created by the regauging and the weight of the work head on the opposite side, the wiggle may be even more pronounced. In my opinion, it's a much better plan to lift it onto one of our work flats with Ichabod, haul it to the work site and unload it.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 11, 2019, 02:48:42 PM
Wayne,

Would Ichabod have to be taken with the work train to unload the tie changer?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 11, 2019, 03:39:01 PM
That I do not know, Jeff. In my mind, a "mini" work train would be powered by the Brookville and consist of a work flat loaded with ties, spikes, and tools, Ichabod, and a second work flat to transport the tie exchanger. The ties would be distributed in the work area, the machine unloaded, and the work would begin. To clear up for a "real" train, it would be necessary to either lift the tie exchanger off the track into the clear or back onto the work flat so the whole works could proceed to the nearest siding. Once the crew gets the hang of the tie exchanger and learns its daily capabilities, presumably a work train could distribute the ties in advance, and only the Brookville locomotive, Ichabod and the work flat to transport the machine and tools would be necessary. All these details remain to be worked out.

Note: As built, this type of machine was equipped with two retractable rubber tires on one side and a pair of handles on the other, such that a couple of strong guys could "wheelbarrow" it off the track when necessary. Our machine is missing this feature, although the lifting handles remain. Whether someone wants to engineer putting set-off wheels back on is not my call.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 11, 2019, 04:36:16 PM
Mounts for the wheels have been cut off previously. Could be reinstalled, but I think Wayne has a great suggestion. Ichabod would easily lift that on and off the track. Low speed towing would get it back to Sheepscot if you were close. Rubber wheels would only work well at the crossing, because every where else has ditches.

Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 11, 2019, 04:40:13 PM
Bill, the machine without the head is about 60 inches. If the platform and buildings are more than 48 inches from center, there will be no problem.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 11, 2019, 07:12:26 PM
It should be noted that this machine weighs around 1200 pounds ready to work, so unless the track crew has eaten its Wheaties, Ichabod will be the preferred method to load and unload it. Also, in thinking about it a little more, there should be space on the push car that Ichabod rides on to carry tools and a can of spikes.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 11, 2019, 09:28:34 PM
Great ideas and thoughts. Thanks everyone.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on March 11, 2019, 11:07:47 PM
It should be noted that this machine weighs around 1200 pounds ready to work, so unless the track crew has eaten its Wheaties, Ichabod will be the preferred method to load and unload it. Also, in thinking about it a little more, there should be space on the push car that Ichabod rides on to carry tools and a can of spikes.

Great work, gentlemen, all around. Gracias. We riders of the rails will appreciate the improved maintenance.
 
Actually, I think we would need more than Wheaties to lift that much weight. :) :)

Is 1200 pounds pushing Ichabod's limit? I thought that was around 1/2 ton?
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 12, 2019, 12:21:51 AM
Ichabod when standard broad gauge had a lift capacity of 2000lbs. After painting, I stencilled 1000 lbs on it. For safety. No official engineered calculations. If someone would like to do all the figuring, we can get you some measurements.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on March 12, 2019, 01:50:14 AM
The biggest thing that is going to effect the higher load lifting is whether the rail clamps are functional and properly clamped or not.  I've seen similar types flip with lesser loads because someone forgot to set the clamps.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Graham Buxton on March 12, 2019, 01:55:41 AM
I'm not an 'engineer', but I would expect that if the only significant change to Ichabod was the track gauge, then the  weight  lift capacity of a load was on a flatcar that is  "ahead" or "behind" Ichabod  (meaning on the same track) would be pretty much the same as when Ichabod was standard broad gauge.
If the load was swung to one side or the other, then the narrower gauge of  the WW&F rails could negatively impact the stability of Ichabod. :o


It seems to me that the Tie Changer could be loaded/unloaded from a flatcar without swinging the load by picking up the Tie Changer with Ichabod, then moving the flatcar out of the way and setting the Tie Changer down without any swinging around.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 12, 2019, 09:41:57 AM
Ichabod, with the addition of the jacks, is actually more stable than without. When we started using it, we figured out that if you set the rail clamps and use the jacks to get them tight, you can pick up as much as you can crank. We lifted then set two culvert sections that weighed about 1200 pounds each. But I used extra precautions. So it will handle the tie changer with no trouble, as long as properly set up.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 19, 2019, 11:30:50 PM
Took a few minutes last week and fired up the steam cleaner. The orange is growing on me.. I think I'll just touch it up.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0315190928a_zpslwnk1dpf.jpg)

This cylinder was wet when I picked it up. Leaked all over the pallet it sits on, so I figured it should be fixed. There was a little ridge that I had to remove to get the guts out. The only thing I could reach it with was my dremmel with an engraving type bit.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0319191712_zpsjpricskv.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0319191712a_zpsojyklwya.jpg)

Once it was apart, I had to remove the 3 o-rings so I can match sizes

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0319191715_zpsvcwpj4wm.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0319191744a_zpsuvbrgvgn.jpg)

I found the o-rings to be very hard, and in fact the one that I suspected of leaking was so hard it broke on removal (bottom one in the stack).

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0319191744_zpszshoeuwn.jpg)
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 20, 2019, 02:40:39 AM
Took a few minutes last week and fired up the steam cleaner. The orange is growing on me.. I think I'll just touch it up.
Mike, you do great work.  The tie changer cleaned up real nice.  Good job!
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on March 20, 2019, 12:28:08 PM
Mike,

Is there a potential tipping problem, since the wheels have been moved in to the proper gauge? In the first photo, the wheels on the left appear to be off the ground.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Robert Hale on March 20, 2019, 01:14:37 PM
Looks like a counter-weight is needed.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on March 20, 2019, 01:23:02 PM
If the guide wheels were brought in equally from both sides then the unit should balance (with the jaw head attached), of course.  I don't believe Mike's pics show a completely assembled unit.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 20, 2019, 04:25:46 PM
If you have the ability to zoom in, do so on the first picture of my previous post. Someone had figured the center of gravity of the complete unit, wrote it on the machine, and built the pick for it.

After we start using it, modifications can be made easily to install a jack cylinder if needed.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on March 20, 2019, 07:44:58 PM
Lots of zooming - but finally saw the C/G marking.  It's nice when someone has done it for you.  Looks like it cleaned up pretty well for its age.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 20, 2019, 08:36:47 PM
From what I have been told by the folks who developed the idea of regauging a machine like this to 2-foot gauge, the work head is an adequate counterbalance. The center of gravity should be where the lifting point is in the center. Don't forget, this machine is not going to be traveling at any kind of speed.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Gordon Cook on March 20, 2019, 10:21:13 PM
It looks like there will be a force perpendicular to the track when the tie is moved in or out.
How is that taken care of? Is there any mechanism to tie it to the rails or is the weight enough?
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on March 20, 2019, 10:29:44 PM
There is a stop that comes down when the work head is lowered to clamp onto the tie that holds the rail in place.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 20, 2019, 11:30:00 PM
Lots of zooming - but finally saw the C/G marking.  It's nice when someone has done it for you.  Looks like it cleaned up pretty well for its age.
If the C/G is off after the wheels were moved inboard and a few mounting pieces added, we can always add tools to the tool box for in service repairs.  That will help counter balance the moved wheels.  If the reliability is the same as Big Joe, a good set of tools and spare parts is a must.

Is it April 1st yet?
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 31, 2019, 07:58:07 PM
I started the motor today, and it ran for 3 to 5 seconds. I got tired of pulling, so I will try it more later. I had just made an adjustment on the carb on the idle jet screw, and don't think it was right. But, I heard it run. Motivation.. I think that a starter/generator would be a great addition..
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 31, 2019, 08:22:59 PM
Mike,

Email me at Bill@Baskerville.com or Call 434-466-5030.  I have an idea.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 31, 2019, 09:01:11 PM
I will sometime Bill. Not a pressing matter at the moment. Once it runs and functions as we expect, then maybe that addition would help with the starting. What ever it takes to make it easy for everybody.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on March 31, 2019, 11:32:41 PM
I will sometime Bill. Not a pressing matter at the moment. Once it runs and functions as we expect, then maybe that addition would help with the starting. What ever it takes to make it easy for everybody.

Mike, 

You are doing the hard work.  If the funding for the re-gauging and repairs runs short or if a new motor with starter, charger, etc becomes to expensive please let me know and I will get with James to find a way to make it happen.

Bill
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on March 31, 2019, 11:50:11 PM
Certainly. I think once I get the combination figured out, it will be just fine. I am thinking longer term improvements, making starting easier for whomever will be using it.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on April 01, 2019, 02:23:41 AM
Mike, at least for getting it running, what about using a power drill with a socket to fit the flywheel bolt?
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 01, 2019, 09:14:14 AM
Thought of that, and there is no bolt. I have a 110 motor I may rig up, but I need to check rotation on that and maybe rig up a potentiometer to control the speed..
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 17, 2019, 01:06:58 AM
The Battle of Wisconsin of 2019 has ended. Finally, after setting the points, a little gas in the spark plug hole, two pulls on the rope, the beast sounded off. We still fought each other for the next 20 minutes or so, but I figured the right combination out finally and it stayed running. So I let it run. Quickly opening the overhead door for fresh air, I bolted the head on and started moving levers. And it responded. It will take some getting used to, but it should be easy to get the hang of.

Two things I found tonight that leak. The In & Out cylinder. Built like the other cylinder I repaired, except it is welded to the head. So I will try to take that apart and replace the O-rings. The other is the gas tank. It looks like either a seam is leaking or possibly a small hole in the tank. I think I can get something to repair it with. Coat the inside.

Then, the only thing left is paint. I would like to be finished with this and have it back to Sheepscot for SWW for all to see, but that may be pushing it. I will see what happens this weekend.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 17, 2019, 01:52:10 AM
Mike,

Great job, again, as usual!  I hope you can get it painted and back at Sheepscot for the SWW.  I know I am looking forward to seeing it and perhaps you can find a time to give us a demo.

B2
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on April 17, 2019, 11:34:09 AM
Congrats, Mike, on getting the beast running.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on April 17, 2019, 02:57:09 PM
If worse comes to worse, bring it to SWW so that we can help finish it.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 17, 2019, 04:49:22 PM
Good thinking John.. Probably only paint left at that point, which I have picked up already.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 17, 2019, 08:25:20 PM
If worse comes to worse, bring it to SWW so that we can help finish it.
I am planning on arriving mid day Wednesday and only have a two things I would like to do unless there are more pressing things to accomplish before the SWW. 

I can always have Start check me out on the proper operation of a paint brush.

B2
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 17, 2019, 11:04:03 PM
https://youtu.be/1rmT9ZuOnRY (https://youtu.be/1rmT9ZuOnRY)
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Wayne Laepple on April 17, 2019, 11:08:22 PM
It works!  Hooray! Good work, Mike.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Reidy on April 18, 2019, 12:33:46 AM
Thanks Mike.  I'm glad Maine vs. Wisconsin won, though hardly surprised.  A great addition to the WW&F ROW maintenance equipment.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 18, 2019, 12:45:55 AM
I still need to make the other cylinder repair. But I took a few minutes and made this tonight before I take it apart, maybe Thursday night.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 18, 2019, 02:45:02 AM
Looking good Mike.  Thanks for making our track work easier and more efficient.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 21, 2019, 11:42:56 PM
With the help of my daughters boyfriend, I finished rebuilding the leaking cylinder last night. We installed it back on the machine, and he was very interested on how it works. So this afternoon, with Joe here, I fired it up. We ran the cylinders through the cycles, getting out the air. Joe was still scratching his head, trying to figure just what did what. So I pointed a few things out, fired it up and I ran it through again.

I have figured out that the cylinders were leaking from hard rubber O-rings, most likely caused by overheating the machine. There are specific instructions telling you how to avoid that.

We also discovered that the carburetor float must be sticking, because gas dripped from the carburetor as soon as I turned it on. I may try to clean it, but if not, someone can fuss with that later.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 23, 2019, 01:18:49 AM
I slobbered a little orange pain on tonight, and patched the gas tank. More paint tomorrow after a quick weld job. I will see if my little welder is up to the task of welding 1/8 inch steel.

(https://i.postimg.cc/J4Hgvxvr/0422192048.jpg)
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on April 23, 2019, 01:05:22 PM
Mike,

It looks good in orange. Will it make an appearance at SWW?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 23, 2019, 01:54:31 PM
Yes. I have a couple of things to try and do to it, but it will be there.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Bob Holmes on April 23, 2019, 11:16:15 PM
Mike, why orange and not yellow?

Thanks...
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: Mike Fox on April 23, 2019, 11:31:38 PM
It was orange when we got it, so I figured it was easier to match. It actually should have been red, following our color scheme. For the most part, Red is equipment with a motor, yellow has no motor.
Title: Re: Tie Changer Machine - Official Work Thread
Post by: John Kokas on April 23, 2019, 11:50:30 PM
Then orange is the proper color.  Red - it has an engine,  Yellow - no engine for movement,  thus -  Red + Yellow = Orange     Enuf Said...….