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Title: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on December 21, 2008, 11:32:40 PM
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Mike Fox wrote:
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I just found a photo in a book of one of the SD Warren Locomotives under steam in the Book "In Quest of Maine Narrow Gauge". The photo was taken in 1939.I had seen the pic before but thought it was worth mentioning. By the looks of it, it is the one under the nice roof they built a few years back.
Mike

Dana Deering replied:
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Mike,
I have an SD Warren co. newsletter that has a lengthy article about the mills 2 footers with lots of photos.  It was given to me by the last fireman on the mill RR, Jim Golden.  I used to visit him when he was in a Gorham nursing home where my then girlfriend worked.  He was in his 90s and was sharp as a tack and had a great Irish accent and wit.  If you ever want to see the newsletter just let me know.
Dana

mikechoochoo replied:
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Any plans to restore one of these to operation? I don't know of any small 2 foot gauge American built locos in operation. These are a lot smaller than the other surviving Maine loco's that still exist. The European ones of similiar size are nice locomotives but they look European! I have seen them close up and they are mostly complete, the missing parts could be fabricated and Boothbay has the code stamp for a new boiler.
Any opinons?
Mikechoochoo
P.S. Yes I would donate something if a fund for the restoration was set up

MikeW replied:
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I've looked these over carefully and photographed them.  In my opinion they are in very poor shape and would require too much work to rebuild.

mikechoochoo replied:
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Well they look a lot better than the traction engine that was pulled out of a river in Kansas. It should be under steam this summer. Look at that old Rogers in New Zealand. I know if I could find a frame, wheels, and cylinders from a small loco I would rebuiild it!

steamfan95 replied:
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Hi! this is my first post :D I think that the 2 engines would be very worth restoring. Look at the condition combine #14 was when edaville saved it. It was sway-bellied! Rember the condition our own boxcar #309 was in? Rember how much Albion Station was leaning? We thought hurricane bob would blow it over. How will our children feel if these two pieces of history were scrapped? I think we should perswade boothbay to restore one of them to operating condition once there third german tank is restored. If we save these locomotives, one fully and the other cosmeticly, we will change future generations expressions from  :(  to :) .
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Matthew Martin on December 22, 2008, 12:36:41 AM
I was steamfan95 on the old forum. What do you think of my idea?
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Mike the Choochoo Nix on December 24, 2008, 03:17:28 AM
While I'd like to see one of them restored to operation, the very reason I would like to see that is also the reason that it's unlikely. That reason is that they are small, I believe quite abit smaller than the European locomotives that Boothbay uses. That being the case they would have no real use at the Boothbay Museum. Maybe someone from Boothbay could confirm that they are a lot smaller as I suspect.
An independent group using them as a pattern for a replica would be an option, but most of us have our hands full right now one way or another.

Mike Nix
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Vincent "Lightning" LeRow on December 24, 2008, 04:39:42 PM
If they are small, that would make them great switchers!  Nothing screams historical like a small switching loco building a train for the maineline steamer to pick up.
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Stephen Hussar on December 24, 2008, 08:20:11 PM
There has been "talk" by some of the folks at Boothbay about restoring one of these...someday. I'm certain it's way down on their list of priorities, however.
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Mike Fox on December 24, 2008, 10:27:11 PM
Though I haven't looked them over thoroughly, the one under the shelter looks like it might need a lot of work. But that may just be cosmetic. Who knows what the inside looks like. Maybe one day Boothbay will have one chugging around their loop.
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Paul Horky on December 24, 2008, 11:12:28 PM
I'm sure if someone put up the dollars Boothbay Would gladly rebuild one or both engines.Thay have to pay bills too.
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on September 30, 2009, 01:13:29 PM
Pic of SD Warren loco in 1941...
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=2009092916144021017.jpg (http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?photo=2009092916144021017.jpg)
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Vincent "Lightning" LeRow on September 30, 2009, 02:42:04 PM
That engine looks hot with the smoke coming out of the stack.  He would have singed his wrist standing like that for too long.
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Tom Casper on September 30, 2009, 05:25:25 PM
Sorry, I disagreee,  he is on the bracket for the light and would find it cool out there versis on the smoke box directly.  No singing is being prerformed in any shots of SD Warren!!! ;D

Tom C.
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Keith Taylor on September 30, 2009, 07:47:52 PM
Phew....S.D. Warren put really ugly cabs on their locomotives! Particularly when you compare them to the beautiful wooden cabs Baldwin used when the locomotives were built. I think this looks like a job for Marcel!
Keith
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Keith Taylor on September 30, 2009, 08:05:32 PM
Here is what the S.D. Warren locomotive "could" look like with a proper cab!
Keith
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Dana Deering on October 01, 2009, 12:30:22 PM
Keith,

     That little loco is a beauty.  Wish I had one in my backyard.  Where is that one located?

     I wonder how much info Sappi has about the old SDW 2 footer.  That old newsletter I have wouuld make a good basis for a book.
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Keith Taylor on October 01, 2009, 04:46:30 PM
Dana,
The little Baldwin is actually 3' gauge and it lives on a back yard private railroad in the San Francisco area.
The owner trucks the little 0-4-2 saddle tanker to various enthusiast events.
I think this little rascal would look mighty fine in any of our backyards!
Keith
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 01, 2009, 04:59:49 PM
More info about that locomotive:
http://www.steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=1436 (http://www.steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=1436)
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Mike Fox on October 21, 2009, 12:39:06 AM
Once more, someone has posted some B&W photos of SD Warren Locos and small yard
Waiting the next run
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?2009102016130118937.jpg (http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?2009102016130118937.jpg)
Pulpwood Yard
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?2009102016100318725.jpg (http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?2009102016100318725.jpg)
Loco in the yard
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?2009102016161819294.jpg (http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?2009102016161819294.jpg)
#1 in SD Warren Shop
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?2009102016193219523.jpg (http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?2009102016193219523.jpg)
Loco and train
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?2009102016053918364.jpg (http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?2009102016053918364.jpg)
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: John McNamara on October 21, 2009, 01:29:57 AM
Interesting engine. It looks like the headlight is run off a battery in the cab, as I see no turbine. Where is the coal stored?

-John
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Dana Deering on October 21, 2009, 02:03:03 PM
Those are great photos.  There is a book here waiting to be written.  "Two Feet the the Mills"?  John, I was told by the old SDW fireman I used to visit (30 some years ago) that quite often the engineer was also fireman and that he had to get out of the cab to fire the engine.  Maybe the coal was kept inside the cab on the fireman's side?  It seems as though it didn't take much of a fire to keep those little engines going.  Neat.
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Wayne Laepple on October 21, 2009, 08:28:34 PM
If you look at the left side of the cab in the photos Mike posted above, there appears to be a small door on the side. Perhaps that's where they loaded coal into a small bunker on the left side of the boiler. Many small industrial locomotives had a similar bunker on that side of the boiler since they were arranged for one-man operation. Some even had both injectors on the engineer's side. Others didn't even bother with a bunker; rather, the coal was just piled on left side of the cab floor.
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Keith Taylor on October 22, 2009, 01:27:50 PM
Others didn't even bother with a bunker; rather, the coal was just piled on left side of the cab floor.
The Glen Alden Coal Co. mine at Wanamie, PA didn't carry any coal on the locomotives. Their runs were short and they fired from piles along side the tracks, or they just took some from the coal jimmy next to the locomotive.
http://www.undergroundminers.com/oldwanamie1.html
Keith
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Stephen Hussar on October 22, 2009, 02:14:25 PM
Thanks for digging up those links, Mike -- pretty neat to see how those looked back in the day!

With regard to locomotives using small amounts of coal...I rode around behind one of the Henschels at Boothbay recently...I don't think Jason put a scoop of coal into the firebox the entire time I was there!
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Ron Ginger on December 15, 2009, 08:36:29 PM
On Monday, December 14 the S.D. Warren engine at the Boothbay Railway Village was moved from its roadside display into the engine shop where a restoration will be started. The work will be a volunteer project starting right after the first of the year. Brian Fanslau will be lading the volunteers for this project.

It is not yet decided if it will be restored to its as new condition, or as it was in its last service days at SD Warren.

This will be a long project, there is no specific funding for it so work can only be done as volunteers are available and as donations come in. Obviously donations would be very welcome.
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Mike Fox on December 16, 2009, 08:34:15 PM
Wow. The entrance must look bare now. Glad to hear that. Any plans on placing a different loco by the road?
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Matthew Martin on July 07, 2010, 09:29:54 PM
Sorry for Necroposting.. but.. Any news?
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Vincent "Lightning" LeRow on July 07, 2010, 11:02:17 PM
Necro-posting.... That's a new one.
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Mark Hendrickson on December 26, 2011, 05:18:14 PM
So hows the rebuild of this engine coming along. 
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on August 18, 2012, 12:40:29 AM
No info since last year?   Surely something must be known about this project.  Enquiring minds want to know.

Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Richard "Steam" Symmes on May 04, 2013, 01:22:05 AM
Another 9 months has passed and still no word about the rebuilding of the S.D.Warren locomotive(s).  Hello? Is anyone alive out there?
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on May 04, 2013, 01:25:55 AM
Maybe a polite inquiry to the Boothbay Railway Village would be a good idea. I don't think that anyone who speaks on their behalf in an official capacity is a regular contributor to our forum.
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Ted Miles on March 21, 2018, 05:49:42 PM
Folks,
         Most of you know that the two S.D. Warren locomotives at Boothbay Railway village were converted to gasolene operation at a New Jersey amusement park. But I recently found out that the both had replacement boilers by Baldwain in the 1920s; thus the odd builder's plates on the existing boilers. The original BLW Construction numbers were 14522 and 1283. New boiler's 10187 and 10188 in 1923. their BRV web site says thye are going to build a whole new boiler and saddle tank for the 8 ton locomotive.

Ted miles, WW&F Member 
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on March 21, 2018, 05:59:16 PM
BRV is in the final leg of the restoration of SD Warren #2. Trains magazine subscribers can find details at:
http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2018/03/19-maine-museum-restoring-lesser-known-2-footer-locomotive-to-steam (http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2018/03/19-maine-museum-restoring-lesser-known-2-footer-locomotive-to-steam)

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If everything goes according to plan, the locomotive could run sometime this year on the museum’s three-quarter-mile loop of track near Boothbay Harbor.

In 2007, volunteers at the museum moved No. 2 inside its shop to evaluate for a possible restoration, which began in earnest in 2016, according to Executive Director Margaret Hoffman. Since then the boiler, frame, and most of the running gear has been rebuilt. All that remains is construction of a new cab and installation of valve gear, plumbing and the throttle.

Earlier this year, an anonymous donor offered to match every donation up to $5,000 to help complete the restoration of No. 2 in 2018. Since last week, the museum has raised more than $2,300. To donate, visit the museum's website.

Hoffmann tells Trains News Wire that once No. 2 is complete, it will become the regular motive power for the museum’s train.

Donations (matched as described) are being accepted at:
https://app.etapestry.com/onlineforms/BoothbayRailwayVillage/baldwin.html (https://app.etapestry.com/onlineforms/BoothbayRailwayVillage/baldwin.html)

More information is also at this Facebook post:
https://www.facebook.com/RailwayVillage/videos/2055197727829250/ (https://www.facebook.com/RailwayVillage/videos/2055197727829250/)
(Facebook account not required.)
Title: Re: SD Warren Tank Engine
Post by: James Patten on March 21, 2018, 06:46:59 PM
It's currently sitting in their shop waiting for the finishing touches.  I think one of the limitations is time to work on it.