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WW&F Railway Museum Discussion => Work and Events => Topic started by: Brendan Barry on October 18, 2018, 10:48:15 PM

Title: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Brendan Barry on October 18, 2018, 10:48:15 PM
Ownership of B&SR boxcar 56 has been transferred from Maine Narrow Gauge to the WW&F. A crew went down to Portland last week to clean out and stabilize the car for the truck trip up to Sheepscot. Car 56 was one of two B&SR boxcars equipped with additional side doors/windows to move cattle. The plan is to restore 56 to the car's original B&SR condition at some point in the future after the present backlog of shop projects clears up.

Car 56 on the B&SR showing the extra doors in the car sides.

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Arriving at the railroad this morning.

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Parked in front of the carbarn.

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Moving 56 to the ramp track in Portland last week.

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We also prepped B&SR boxcar 50 for the trip up to Sheepscot. More on 50 when the car arrives in Sheepscot.

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Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: John Kokas on October 18, 2018, 11:23:45 PM
Great Pics!  But a comment made by Fred on the pavilion thread about needing more carbarn space begs the question - what else is coming?
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 19, 2018, 12:25:06 AM
We are scheduled to receive one more B&SR boxcar, also gifted from MNG, which we are planning to trade to Brian for a B&SR flatcar.  Brian plans to restore the boxcar to its as built condition, while we’ll rebuild the flatcar for dual use as a flatcar and tank car base.  On the truck with the boxcar will be a small diesel locomotive bound for Brian’s shop.  It’ll he delivered there a short time after arrival.

At this time that’s the extent of any scheduled rail equipment receipts.

Thanks,
Jason
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on October 19, 2018, 12:28:25 AM
Restoration schedule:

Finish 67, restore flanger 40 for use, then restore boxcar 56.  As such, 56 could be some time out.

The flatcar project is being considered for fast tracking, given its simplicity and our need for it to ballast the Mtn Ext.

The new coach should get a thoughtful start and steady progress beginning mid winter, proceeding concurrently with the consecutive fright car projects.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: James Patten on October 19, 2018, 12:52:28 AM
...consecutive fright car projects.

Possibly appropriate considering the Halloween is around the corner, but I think you mean "freight car"  :D
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: John Kokas on October 19, 2018, 01:33:38 AM
Maybe not James - a possible Freudian slip ???  :o
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Steve Smith on October 19, 2018, 04:46:54 AM
I keep reading about Freudian slips. If he was as smart as they say, wouldn'tcha think he would have fitted himself out with sanders after a while?
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on October 19, 2018, 01:35:39 PM
In the second black and white photo there appears to be some sort of grandstand behind the box car. Was this near a fairgrounds, horse racing track or something of the sort?
Dave
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on October 19, 2018, 02:03:14 PM
That photo was taken at Alna Center.

"There's a prototype for everything."

In seriousness, maybe we can model the WW&F Concert Pavilion after whatever that structure is. I don't think that was taken at Edaville.... Oh wait, I think there was a ball field at the very early Edaville; but I've never seen or heard about a pavilion.
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 19, 2018, 02:19:47 PM
Is the flatcar that we're getting in trade with Brian the one that was damaged when it initally went from Edaville to Portland in 1993?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 19, 2018, 02:23:23 PM
...consecutive fright car projects.

Possibly appropriate considering the Halloween is around the corner, but I think you mean "freight car"  :D

Looking at the photos of the boxcars the museum is getting, I think "fright cars" is appropriate. They are in frightful condition. :o

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 19, 2018, 02:25:07 PM
We are scheduled to receive one more B&SR boxcar, also gifted from MNG, which we are planning to trade to Brian for a B&SR flatcar.  Brian plans to restore the boxcar to its as built condition, while we’ll rebuild the flatcar for dual use as a flatcar and tank car base.  On the truck with the boxcar will be a small diesel locomotive bound for Brian’s shop.  It’ll he delivered there a short time after arrival.

At this time that’s the extent of any scheduled rail equipment receipts.

Thanks,
Jason

I'm confused (nothing new there), are we getting two or three boxcars? :o

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Philip Marshall on October 19, 2018, 02:25:57 PM
I'm curious if we know the B&SR number of the flatcar.

This is all great news and I'm looking forward to seeing boxcar 56 the next time I'm at Sheepscot.
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 19, 2018, 02:27:59 PM
In the second black and white photo there appears to be some sort of grandstand behind the box car. Was this near a fairgrounds, horse racing track or something of the sort?
Dave

I believe there was a grandstand of some sort up in Bridgton, during the time of the railroad. It may have lasted up until the 1990's. I think I have a photo of it somewhere that I took in 1992 or 1993.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 19, 2018, 02:29:20 PM
I keep reading about Freudian slips. If he was as smart as they say, wouldn'tcha think he would have fitted himself out with sanders after a while?

Boo, hiss. ;D

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Mike Fox on October 19, 2018, 02:50:50 PM
Jeff, grand stand still exists. Part of the school complex. When the field was built, the covered over on part of the wye to Harrison.

Phillip, I think it is something like 34.
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 19, 2018, 02:58:27 PM
The second black and white photo looks like B&HR to me
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on October 19, 2018, 03:08:39 PM
Jeff, grand stand still exists. Part of the school complex. When the field was built, the covered over on part of the wye to Harrison.

Phillip, I think it is something like 34.

Is the school still in use?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: James Patten on October 19, 2018, 03:52:32 PM
The Bridgton school is no longer functioning as a school.  It was why "Bridgton Bill" and MNG wanted to move to Bridgton.

To clear up confusion, two boxcars are shipping north.  Both are ours, but we are trading one for a Brian flatcar.  As I understand it the flatcar is a kit, I have no knowledge of how it ended up that way.   When we are done we'll have 2 B&SR boxcars (don't forget 67), and a B&SR flatcar which will eventually be the home of the tank.
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Fred Morse on October 19, 2018, 04:40:38 PM
We are loosing Three spaces for equipment in the area where the new machine shop is.
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Alan Downey on October 19, 2018, 05:19:25 PM
To clarify, only the south ends of bays 2&3 have been blocked to equipment storage. Bay 1 was intentionally kept clear of "permanent" machinery to allow a run-through and storage if need be. Bays 2&3 can still accommodate two freight cars apiece. Though we did sacrifice the ability to keep a freight car and a passenger car in the same bay.
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Ben Rockney on October 19, 2018, 06:06:24 PM
To answer Dave's question from a few minutes ago, I am quite sure the second B&W photo shows the grandstand for the baseball field at Bridgton Junction in the background.  It appears in many photos from the latter days of the B&SR and still stands today.  It is the white building dead center in this view from Google Earth.
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Roger Cole on October 19, 2018, 06:16:29 PM
Do the wooden boxcars have any sort of metal frame under them?
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Philip Marshall on October 19, 2018, 06:46:40 PM
Phillip, I think it is something like 34.

Thank you Mike.
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Mike Fox on October 19, 2018, 06:47:11 PM
Wood frame boxcars. Only metal is the truss rods. Braces and bolts.

The school still uses the grand stand, the old school behind them was replaced with a newer school between the grandstand and Route 302.
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Bob Holmes on October 19, 2018, 11:40:06 PM
See my separate note on the Pavilion thread about grandstands at Togus.

BTW, Jeff is the expert on the KC and its trains to events at Togus.

Bob
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on October 20, 2018, 03:28:39 AM
Ben,
Thanks for the photo and explanation.
Dave
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on October 20, 2018, 04:38:40 AM
Anyone have an idea what the roof platform above the side ladder was for?
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Richard Johnson on October 20, 2018, 12:49:38 PM
The second black and white photo looks like B&HR to me
The last photo has boxcar 70 with B&HR. have done some research but have not found any info on this. can anyone offer some info.
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Mike Fox on October 20, 2018, 11:11:26 PM
Anyone have an idea what the roof platform above the side ladder was for?
Catwalk for the brakemen. The brakewheels were at roof height.
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: John McNamara on October 21, 2018, 12:52:08 AM
Anyone have an idea what the roof platform above the side ladder was for?
Catwalk for the brakemen. The brakewheels were at roof height.
To elaborate slightly, there was a walkway down the center of the cars for brakemen to get from car to car and adjust the aforementioned brake wheels, but first they had to get to the center walkway. By ascending any ladder and traversing the "roof platform above the side ladder" they could do get to the center walkway. Jumping from car to car on a moving train must have been a real thrill.
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Steve Smith on October 21, 2018, 01:35:48 AM
As track condition worsened, I would imagine that just standing on the walkway was a real thrill, to say nothing of walking.
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Ted Miles on October 21, 2018, 10:33:54 PM
Jason,
          I am interested to hear that a B&SR flat car still exists. The B&SR had 44 of them starting in 1882 at Laconia Car Company going down to 2 at Portland Company in 1913 according to the roster in Two Feet To The Lakes. I doubt many of them made it down to Edaville RR in 1945 and those were mostly used for parts to built the Edaville excursion cars.

My Edaville Railroad book by Linwood Moody in 1947 only lists 14 flat cars in 1947.

I keep up with everything that was on the Edaville Roster; which small Diesel is going to go to Maine Machine Works next store?

Ted Miles, fan of all things Maine Narrow Gauge
Title: Re: B&SR boxcar 56
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on October 23, 2018, 05:29:26 AM
Thanks.

It looked a little high to be a corner access walk - and the brake staff is on the
other end. Also the roof hides (if) (that) there is one on the other end.