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Title: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Dag Bonnedal on May 04, 2018, 02:23:01 PM
I really like your spirit "Can Do!" and the way you solve all problems that arise. Great to follow your development.

Sorry about the problems with the tamper. I am sure you will solve also those problems.
But just wanted to point out an alternative to consider.
We had an old, classic Matisa BL09M tamper bought for scrap price from Swedish State Railways some 40 years ago.
But in spite changing a lot of the parts, it continued to be quite temperamental.
Thus we bought a new one some years ago from this company in France, specialized narrow gauge equipment.
http://yves.ocquident.free.fr/
Their product is a rather direct copy of the Matisa BL09, built with Chinese components. They can custom build what ever you like, and it does not cost a fortune. Our new unit works quite well.
http://museijarnvagenimariefred.se/flera-lyft-for-banavdelningen/

More pictures from our 600 mm railway on our blog:
http://museijarnvagenimariefred.se/category/oslj/

Dag B
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on May 04, 2018, 03:54:06 PM
Hi! The Chemin de fer de Rillé in France uses  such a tamper. Once a year the track crew comes to Pithiviers to help the AMTP to repair streches of track and they bring their tamper along that  seems to work properly but you have  to push it. I'm going to post a few photos on my fb page. Chemin de fer de Rillé Website https://aefm.fr
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Dag Bonnedal on May 04, 2018, 07:24:12 PM
Would just want to add.
The reason for investing in a new tamper is that when doing work on the line, we are (just like you have shown yourselves above) a large group of people. And this whole group is dependent on the tamper to get the job done. Without it the whole work process grinds to a halt and the workshop with all the odd mechanical tools is a long way away.
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Gary Kraske on May 04, 2018, 07:45:38 PM
I really like your spirit "Can Do!" and the way you solve all problems that arise. Great to follow your development.

Sorry about the problems with the tamper. I am sure you will solve also those problems.
But just wanted to point out an alternative to consider.
We had an old, classic Matisa BL09M tamper bought for scrap price from Swedish State Railways some 40 years ago.
But in spite changing a lot of the parts, it continued to be quite temperamental.
Thus we bought a new one some years ago from this company in France, specialized narrow gauge equipment.
http://yves.ocquident.free.fr/
Their product is a rather direct copy of the Matisa BL09, built with Chinese components. They can custom build what ever you like, and it does not cost a fortune. Our new unit works quite well.
http://museijarnvagenimariefred.se/flera-lyft-for-banavdelningen/

More pictures from our 600 mm railway on our blog:
http://museijarnvagenimariefred.se/category/oslj/

Dag B Tried the first link and got a virus warning that was not easy to eliminate on my IPad.  Had to turn off power and wait for a minute and that eliminated the problem.
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Dag Bonnedal on May 04, 2018, 11:44:44 PM
Dag B Tried the first link and got a virus warning that was not easy to eliminate on my IPad.  Had to turn off power and wait for a minute and that eliminated the problem.
Sorry to hear. It is a serious company and I have an updated antivirus program and have not seen any warning messages.
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on June 07, 2018, 09:23:09 PM
I second John  You all did a good job of work.
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Wayne Laepple on June 08, 2018, 12:38:41 PM
Just for fun, I had a PM exchange with Dag regarding the French tamper, and we figured that the price of a new machine to us would be around $15,000. I wonder how much has gone into Big Joe over the years?
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Mike Fox on June 08, 2018, 05:03:13 PM
Wayne, biggest expense for Big Joe to date was the compressor. A lot of other things we had or have made. Probably $1000 in steel. I would say we have no more than $6,000 in it now, with the vast majority of that figure specifically donated for the tamper.
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Wayne Laepple on June 08, 2018, 10:48:45 PM
Huh. I would have expected more. At any rate, it was a fun exchange with Dag.
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: James Patten on June 09, 2018, 12:03:50 AM
Directly attributable maintenance expenses have come to almost $1900 over its lifetime.  Value of the car is about $3500, new compressor this year was another $4000.  $9400 total.
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on June 09, 2018, 12:08:12 AM
Just for fun, I had a PM exchange with Dag regarding the French tamper, and we figured that the price of a new machine to us would be around $15,000. I wonder how much has gone into Big Joe over the years?

But would it come with a cupholder and umbrella holder for our fearless leader :o???

Jeff S.
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: James Patten on June 09, 2018, 12:44:44 AM
For $15,000 I would hope it had an air conditioned cab.
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Wayne Laepple on June 09, 2018, 01:58:18 AM
None of the above. Watch the video.

A new main line tamper could cost half a million dollars. It would have an air-conditioned cab with a cup holder.
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on June 09, 2018, 04:05:03 AM
Around Alna a heater would also be appreciated at certain times of the year - like tonight!
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Wayne Laepple on June 09, 2018, 06:50:53 PM
Cab, cupholder, heater? You don't get any of these. Matter of fact, there isn't even a seat on this thing! You have to walk behind it.
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on June 10, 2018, 01:04:07 AM
Wayne, knowing that, I’m not really seeing the value in your version....
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Bill Baskerville on June 10, 2018, 02:46:36 AM
Wayne, knowing that, I’m not really seeing the value in your version....

Of course we gandy dancers wouldn't dream of asking our our fearless leader to give up his comfy seat, water bottle holder and shade umbrella.     

RHIP you know...
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on June 11, 2018, 02:44:42 AM
Bill, it’s actually OAHIP (old age).
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Bill Baskerville on June 11, 2018, 03:40:45 AM
Dave,

WCPGW???
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Dag Bonnedal on June 11, 2018, 10:40:54 AM
Actually we had a home built "mainline" tamper, complete with cupholder, seat, weather protection, self propelled, automatic levelling function etc.
http://museijarnvagenimariefred.se/bilder-av-skadorna-pa-banan/
Those pictures are from the first of two big washouts we have had in the last years, thus its good to see that you spend a lot of efforts with the draining.
But after the guy who built it left the railway, this complicated machine, built from old parts, became too tricky to maintain. Thus we bought the small new one instead.
The big, old one is now on long term loan to a colleague 600 mm railway, Ohs Bruks Järnväg.
http://www.ohsabanan.com/engelsk/banaktuellt2015.php

But, I am not suggesting anything. Every railroad has to find its own way. And as always, I am so impressed by what you are achieving.
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Joe Fox on June 11, 2018, 11:00:18 AM
Love your tie inserter. Those machines are a lot of fun to operate, and you can change out a lot of ties in short order with one of those. Thank you for sharing.
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Mike Fox on June 11, 2018, 11:06:46 AM
Dag, thanks for those links. Very nice to see other narrow minded folks doing the same as we do.
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Stephen Hussar on June 11, 2018, 10:50:32 PM
Thank you for these links! Amazing!
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Bill Baskerville on June 12, 2018, 01:57:08 AM
Dag,

Loved your Links.  Thanks for sharing.  I noticed the 'weed control' with a hand sprayer.  If you are interested, perhaps someone at Sheepscot can take some pictures of our MOW combination fire suppression and weed sprayer four wheel car.  It has a 600 gallon tank with gas powered pump, a portable wand for off track fires and a sprayer bar for weed control.  The wand can be used to control weeds outside of this area in the yards and around the stations.  Usually, a once a year pass keeps the flora off of around the ties and the ballasted area. 
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Dag Bonnedal on June 12, 2018, 07:00:09 PM
Bill,
thanks for kind comments.
Weed control is a big issue for us. What you saw on the blog was a small, environmental friendly test with acetum (? or what it is called, i.e. acetic acid + water). Not a total success.
We have for decades used Roundup (guess its a universal name?). But with the Green party in the government, even the use of this chemical (that is used on all farmland) is more and more restricted. With new rules in play, we had to send two guys on a week long course to learn how to use it in an eco safe way. And we had to buy a new certified spraying equipment (US-built). This has cost us so far almost as much as the new tamping machine!
We don't have any pictures of it on the web (too big risk to get green activists chasing us).

We are up to many challenges: creosote has been almost been banned several times in the EU, oil spill from the locomotive machineries and coal firing are always issues ... Keep us on the tip of our toes.

Dag

PS. Don't misunderstand me, our earth and environment is the most precious we have, and we have to take better care of it. But sometimes the details are just a little hard to get...
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: Bill Baskerville on June 12, 2018, 09:44:49 PM
Dag,

We have the same concerns and tensions here.  Our leadership and our volunteers have been top notch in obtaining the necessary permits for our "down the Mountain" extension and making sure we meet or exceed both the requirements and the intent of the rules and regulations.
Title: Re: Alternative Tampers Abroad
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on June 12, 2018, 10:20:41 PM
 For sure you have to push it.