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Title: April 2018 work planning
Post by: James Patten on April 04, 2018, 11:05:08 AM
Anticipated work for Saturday April 7:

* Boxcar 67
* Loco 10 boiler
* SWW prep
* Possible tree cutting for west parking lot (depends on outcome of research)

Additionally there's a ham & bean supper at the Alna Fire Department at 4:30.  Yum yum!
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Mike Fox on April 04, 2018, 01:23:36 PM
Let's hold off on the tree cutting. We need to mark it out, and I would like to save some trees between the two lots.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 07, 2018, 07:24:33 PM
Crew call:  track repair Wednesday April 11, 2018.

We need to make a repair to the north end of Cock Eye Curve.  This work was going to wait till late in or after SWW but an inspection today moved it up the priority list.

A crew of 6-8 would allow the repair to be made properly in the course of 5-6 hours. 

If you can join us, please let us know. 

Also, if you have access to a heavy duty chain come along, it’d be very helpful.

Joe will follow up...

Thanks
Jason
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Joe Fox on April 07, 2018, 09:31:53 PM
I can borrow one of Dad's chain come alongs. I plan on arriving around 8 a.m. Wednesday to start loading tools, etc. I have a list of tools we will need such as, rail saw, rail drill, (8 pairs of Joint bars that I will grab that morning), bolts, spikes, claw bars, wrenches, and spike mauls. Joint bars are not really needed, but while things are apart we might as well change out a few worn ones.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Stephen Lennox on April 07, 2018, 09:52:24 PM
I'll be there, maybe late Tuesday afternoon we can start working on Joe's list.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: James Patten on April 07, 2018, 09:54:24 PM
Work done on Saturday April 7:

* West parking lot: Mike, myself, and a few others walked around the west side of our property, and Mike tied off ribbons for the limit of the cutting work.
* Air compressor: Jay was busy making mounting bracket holes, in order to keep the compressor in one spot, and also working on other aspects of the car.  The hydro storage tank and bracket was moved back into place.
* Bay 1 re-arranging: Alan started moving things around and consolidating boiler items in Bay 1, to make room for another machine which will be arriving next week.
* Inspection trip: Several of us made an inspection trip to the SWW work site, then made a trip to the north side of Cockeye Curve, hence Jason's call for a work crew.

Alna VFD ham & bean supper was good...
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Mike Fox on April 08, 2018, 12:18:24 AM
Kubota was started this afternoon and a ditch cleaned out, getting the machine ready for next weekend.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Jonathan B. Smith on April 09, 2018, 09:30:10 AM
Count me in for Wednesday's track detail
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Joe Fox on April 09, 2018, 06:34:29 PM
I will be there around 8 at the latest, and plan to leave around 8:45-9.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: James Patten on April 11, 2018, 11:01:41 AM
Anticipated work for Saturday April 14:

* Photo Charter: the first of two Photo Charters is this coming Saturday.
* Boxcar 67
* Loco 10 boiler
* New parking lot: I'm guessing Fred and Zack are eager to start tree cutting.
* Board meeting at 4:00.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Joe Fox on April 11, 2018, 10:29:49 PM
Work done Wednesday, 4/11/18. Jason and Johnathon worked on joint bars, while the track crew fixed almost half of the North end of Cockeyed Curve today. After lunch Jason came out to help with the second half of todays work load. We religned two joints, replaced 2 ties, and repositioned 4 rails, or 126' of track. One more day of repositioning rails, and a few more religning of a few joints and the North end of the curve will be very nice.

Thank you to all who helped today, it was appreciated, especially as we started getting tired towards the end and Brendan and Steve P showed up to help button things up.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Mike Fox on April 11, 2018, 11:46:25 PM
Pics from Joe. I think I got them in order..

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Resized952018041195103938_zps7iq8hhwe.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Resized952018041195141539_zpswc7vpery.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Resized952018041195141544_zpsgpstjcjl.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Resized952018041195144900_zpsqf0bsqap.jpg)
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Bill Reidy on April 12, 2018, 12:19:14 AM
Kinks aren't good?  ::)
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 12, 2018, 12:32:16 AM
Depends what you’re into, Bill...
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Bill Reidy on April 12, 2018, 12:41:55 AM
Ha!

Seeing the photos, I was thinking my first work weekend experience was the spring of 2001, when the track was extended north from here to Sheepscot Mills crossing.  Early March April, mud and snow season -- the best of both worlds!

More than a little progress has been made since then.

I didn't touch any joint bars that weekend, so any kinked joints weren't my fault!
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: John McNamara on April 12, 2018, 01:15:28 AM
My recollection is that there is (or was) a compromise joint in that area someplace....
-John M
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on April 12, 2018, 02:14:52 AM
It appears to me that you have shifted the outside rail to allow for staggered joints in the curve, which would help avoid kinks. Am I correct?
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 12, 2018, 02:26:49 AM
Both of you are correct.  Our work today began at the comp joint, which was significantly stiffened during a repair a few years ago, without any further work on the comp joint itself today.  From there, the next rail was cut and leap frogged up 5 lengths.  We’re going to keep a  10 MPH speed restriction through there at least for now, maybe permanently.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 12, 2018, 02:50:19 AM
 Jay, sounds like a good idea on the speed restriction for cockeyed curve. That along with staggered joint bars should help keep the kinks from coming back in the curve.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Joe Fox on April 12, 2018, 03:47:04 AM
Yes. The kinks were fixed probably 5-6 years ago. 3 years ago these three spots were noticable, 2 years ago warranted a restriction, then last year we decided this repair was needed. And a look at it last Saturday was a decission to repair it now. In short, between what we did today, and the work we want to do to finish it up, the curve should not kink up again for quite awhile if at all. When we went back through there with the train at the end of the day, the result was incredible.

There are some other areas that could use the come-along treatment, and we may do that later this summer with a 2-3 man crew, and may even do the same thing seen here on Davis curve, at least from the crossing north where we religned that stretch 5-6 years ago. Once we get the tie machine functional I have the hope of having a crew of 4-5 changing ties once or twice a month.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on April 12, 2018, 01:49:57 PM
Is the tie machine not running properly?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Gordon Cook on April 12, 2018, 04:55:51 PM
Thank you! Thank you!
One of the reasons I prefer to run 9 and 10 facing north was that those kinks were less of a problem with the engine pulling up the grade and curve. Heading south the tank truck does its thing nicely, leading the engine around the curve without the jolts.
When the Forney's are facing south, the weight of the train tends to push the engine into the kinks when drifting downgrade into the curve, which resulted in the engine harshly diving into the joints and making the kinks worse, not to mention causing a slight heart palpitation! I usually try to open the throttle a little there which reduces the shock.
As Joe mentioned, there's a couple more to fix.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 12, 2018, 06:01:10 PM
The front axle on the railcar thanks you.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Joe Fox on April 13, 2018, 12:08:49 AM
Those who see it first hand, wait till you see it. It looks so much better. I can't wait to use our new method of lining more, either the way we did it Wednesday or with a new method that is in the works. I hope to fix the second half of the curve next month.

The tie changer is still in need of modification, however there is a simple idea to help make tie extraction or inserting easier by use of a ladder type design, courtesy of the Bucksgahda & Western. Instead of using just a lining bar, this design allows you to use a ladder hooked off a rail to move a tie in or out.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on April 14, 2018, 03:25:13 PM
I totally applaud all the WW&F improvements listed and underway, but  hope the scope of work does not discourage enough follow-through.
My health is declining, else I would join in.
Bravo to all the 'gandy dancer heroes' who contribute their time, labor, talent and travel dollars. Their efforts I'm sure are supremely appreciated! 
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: James Patten on April 15, 2018, 12:16:24 AM
Work done on Saturday April 14, 2018:

* Leave it to Beaver: Mike breached not one but 3 dams off the right of way south of Cross Rd, with one more dam out there that's a little hard to reach.
* Digging for Treasure: Mike also dug holes and placed the support columns for the new stairs outside of the house, which will be built at SWW.
* Blest Be the Ties That Bind: Fred did some more tie cutting and stacking, and Mike moved the pile with the forklift to near the North Yard.
* Tamper: Jay worked on the tamper, hooking up the hoses and getting the hydro pump hooked up too.
* Photos Galore: The first spring photo charter was today.
* Board meeting was this afternoon.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Mike Fox on April 15, 2018, 01:05:28 AM
The worst of the dam damage.. Steve Z is looking at the dam pictured in the second photo.

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0414180905a_zps0cl6j8jx.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0414180908_zpslsiq9pce.jpg)

Jason called and covered the bases with the Maine Warden Service, eventually talking with a biologist I believe. We were given instructions on how to encourage the beavers to move on. He was told to just remove a little of the dam early in the morning so the water drops gradually. This will need to be repeated all summer when needed, until trapping season this fall or winter, when ever it is, when a trapper can come remove them. Jason was told that a big removal of a large part of the dam would result in a quick drop in the water, and the beavers would think the dam was weak and build it twice as strong the next time.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Bill Reidy on April 15, 2018, 01:30:44 AM
Photos from the Percival house exterior stairways' preparation for spring work weekend have been posted in the April 2018 Work Weekend prep and work (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,3175.msg36183.html#new) thread.

As usual, Mike had a busy day at our museum!
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: James Patten on April 15, 2018, 01:33:26 AM
I have to say - those beavers worked awfully hard.  The northern-most dam was above the firepond but in the same depression as the pond.  The dam goes across the entire section, diagonally.  A fairly neat looking dam.  I can see the trees where they worked, too bad we can't train them to take down certain trees.  I wonder if there's something you can rub on a tree to attract them to gnaw it down?
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Fred Morse on April 15, 2018, 12:21:06 PM
400 ties have been cut and stacked so far this spring, there's about 200 left to do.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Bill Reidy on April 15, 2018, 12:46:24 PM
Maybe the beavers can help Fred with the ties.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on April 15, 2018, 12:59:26 PM
Maybe Fred and the beavers can have a tie cutting contest. ::)

Jeff S.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: John Kokas on April 15, 2018, 01:38:17 PM
Fred,

If the 200 remaining ties are not done by SWW.  I'll help you out with the cutting/stacking when I get there on the 27th.  But it sounds like time to order more ties for FWW.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Mike Fox on April 15, 2018, 01:44:06 PM

As usual, Mike had a busy day at our museum!

Busy is good. And being among good friends for the day makes it that much better.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 16, 2018, 11:16:03 PM
Week of April 16, 2018.

The bridge assembly contractor is scheduled to be onsite Tuesday and likely Wednesday.  He may need some help; aside from directly helping him,?we need to cover the floor beams with Ice & Water Shield, and treat the barn boards with flame retardant on the near term.

Tuesday afternoon we will do another scouting survey for track alignment on Location 3.  Next week Rick will be up to take a first pass at laying out a complex reverse curve there, based upon our scout surveys.

Also Tuesday, Joe will be in to prep for track removal this weekend. 

Wednesday we will run a one trip steam charter for a new consortium of local historical societies.

Wednesday we’ll also prep the interior of the shop, and Sheepscot Station, for Stephen Hussar's evening photo sessions coming up this Saturday.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Mike Fox on April 16, 2018, 11:20:47 PM
And Rick needs to find the centerline between 218 and Trout Brook within the next month, the curve through the cut being the most important..the rest I think we can get just fine
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on April 17, 2018, 01:05:50 PM
Sounds like a busy work week.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: James Patten on April 18, 2018, 10:59:22 AM
Anticipated work for Saturday May 21:

* Charter II: This is the day and evening charter.
* SWW prep: ties, getting the heavy equipment to Sutters, presumably more tamper work.
* Track take-up: As part of the charter, we're supposed to have some horses pulling 118 as we pull up rail at the north end of Davis Grade in prep for SWW.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 18, 2018, 05:05:55 PM
Crew call for Saturday!

We need period-dressed able-bodied track workers for the rail removal!  While we are "performing" this for the photographers, we also must have all 310 feet removed by the end of the day, ties included, so that Mike can do his machine work on Sunday. 

Most spikes were pulled yesterday.  We left enough to hold it together for a few more trains.

Saturday's track work will begin at 3PM, and continue until finished- which I expect will be 5PM or so.

Please let us know if you can make it.

Thanks,
Jason
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on April 18, 2018, 05:16:29 PM
We need period-dressed able-bodied track workers for the rail removal!

Boy oh Boy, am I sorry that I can't be there a week early for the Saturday afternoon activities.  What a great period recreation. 

Then of course, hidden in the fine print is

Most spikes were pulled yesterday.  We left enough to hold it together for a few more trains.

Though I trust our track foreman and our chief engineer, it smacks a little of the great locomotive chase, or WWII French resistance actions in removing "just enough" spikes.

Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on April 18, 2018, 06:28:44 PM
Hi Jason;
I'll be in attendance Saturday afternoon.
Dave
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on April 18, 2018, 06:37:20 PM
We need period-dressed able-bodied track workers for the rail removal!

Boy oh Boy, am I sorry that I can't be there a week early for the Saturday afternoon activities.  What a great period recreation. 


Bill,

That makes two of us.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Bill Piche on April 18, 2018, 06:55:44 PM
Crew call for Saturday!

We need period-dressed able-bodied track workers for the rail removal!  While we are "performing" this for the photographers, we also must have all 310 feet removed by the end of the day, ties included, so that Mike can do his machine work on Sunday. 

Most spikes were pulled yesterday.  We left enough to hold it together for a few more trains.

Saturday's track work will begin at 3PM, and continue until finished- which I expect will be 5PM or so.

Please let us know if you can make it.

Thanks,
Jason

If there's nothing left to do on B&SR 7 I'll be around the area with nothing to do. I can make myself available and as period as possible if that's the case. I'll know more after the inspection tomorrow.

Bill Piche
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Stephen Lennox on April 18, 2018, 09:21:26 PM
I'll be there......

Steve
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on April 18, 2018, 09:33:46 PM
I intend to be there and will bring a limited supply of period clothing for others, if they so wish. However, I do need to leave as soon as the track is lifted.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Bill Reidy on April 18, 2018, 09:56:06 PM
Aw, nuts.  I have to work Saturday, as much as I wish I could be there.  For what little it's worth, I'll be IT-period-dressed Saturday during my company's weekend data center project.  Yeah, I know -- not much.

Hope a couple photos from Saturday will be posted this weekend.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Mike Fox on April 18, 2018, 11:05:02 PM
I intend to be there and will bring a limited supply of period clothing for others, if they so wish. However, I do need to leave as soon as the track is lifted.
Making tracks as soon as we remove tracks.. I will have to check the pictures, maybe I can dress appropriately as well
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Joe Fox on April 18, 2018, 11:06:53 PM
The railroad was torn up with only 4-5 guys
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 19, 2018, 12:11:14 AM
35 lb rail vs 60 lb rail.  Guys who enjoyed destroying railroads vs guys who don’t.  I vote we cheat and allow more helpers than they used back in the day :)
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Bob Holmes on April 19, 2018, 01:34:53 AM
I can be there if Ed can help me dress appropriately...
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Dwight Winkley on April 19, 2018, 02:09:35 AM
I can come out of the woods to help after the camera's stop rolling.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Gordon Cook on April 19, 2018, 06:34:45 PM
What's the appropriate period dress for shovel leaning? 
I may take that position on Saturday. :D

Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Bob Holmes on April 19, 2018, 11:53:24 PM
Any suggestions from the experts as to what constitutes period dress?  I know there were a couple of websites posted recently...

Thanks.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on April 20, 2018, 12:37:18 AM
This is the scene we are recreating:

(https://scontent.fbed1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30739967_10155682167331871_8935337747434962944_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=7b18a3eeba6c171a1366e29c8293d52e&oe=5B557FDA)

So overalls and suspenders. Note the hats. I think the trick to being period is not what you wear, but what you don't wear:
- Modern caps/hats.
- Synthetic fabrics, esp. coats.
- bright/flashy colors.
- Clothes that look too new, especially for a day-laborer on a railroad.
- Belts (use suspenders, even if they clip on.)

If you really get into it:
- No zippers
- No front pockets on shirts
- Shirts that half button down
- Wool coat

And for sources, see:
http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,2317.0.html (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,2317.0.html)

Anyone else got some tips?
   
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Bill Reidy on April 20, 2018, 01:01:24 AM
I'm guessing modern eyeglasses, but I'd be blind without mine  :-[

Anyway, a couple of great videos were posted by our guests from last weekend, as posted on our Facebook page.

https://vimeo.com/265281934

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9MqmNK9N-I&feature=youtu.be

Thanks!
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on April 20, 2018, 01:38:57 AM
I wonder who the guy is, closest to the camera, in the photo above. Jodhpurs, high boots, short jacket. Maybe the crew boss?
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: John McNamara on April 20, 2018, 01:54:10 AM
Can we select the horse size and color at Hertz Rent-a-Horse?
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Joe Fox on April 20, 2018, 03:55:01 AM
Since I have become an engineer on the broad gauge, my overalls dont fit any more, however my clothes get very dirty in the morning so it shouldnt be too hard to pose as old clothes. I will have a change of pants and suspenders in case they look to clean. 
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on April 20, 2018, 05:09:17 AM
Nice videos
& No BLUE tarps!

Thanks

A brown tarp over the loader at Alna Center might help.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Bob Holmes on April 20, 2018, 11:46:33 PM
Thanks Ed, your post about criteria for period dress is very helpful.  Doubt that I can comply much tomorrow without your assistance.  But I will be pursuing acquisition of a period costume for future events.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: James Patten on April 21, 2018, 12:10:12 AM
In those videos, I noticed a short section of modern culvert on the east side of Trask Crossing, and at Alna Center there's the picnic table (I don't know how old that style is), the portable platforms, and of course the loader.  Just a few bits of modern anachronisms to clean up.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Mike Fox on April 21, 2018, 12:13:21 AM
Ahhh.. We know how to antique de plastique
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: James Patten on April 21, 2018, 11:16:51 PM
Work done Saturday April 21:

* Ties: Fred and crew cut up more ties.  A whole bunch of us stacked the 3 foot sections and smaller into more stacks.  The forklift moved the tie stacks from in front of the garage to next to RR run-through track for staging for next weekend.
* Garden: Linda and others are going to start working on the garden around the Percival house.  Mike dug a ditch with the Kubota and the 3 foot tie ends will be used as a fence wall.
* Machine shop: Alan and another person were busy plotting moving machinery around in the shop extension.
* Track removal: Mike delivered the dozer to Sutter's in the early morning.  The Kubota was loaded on the equipment hauler in the afternoon.  After the photo train returned around 3:00, the 2 horsepower engine was delivered and hooked up to the flatcar.  Track removal commenced.  Some of the bolts were quite stubborn.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Bob Holmes on April 21, 2018, 11:54:31 PM
Track removal:  all but 75' feet of rail were loaded on to 118.  The horse team moved the flatcar in increments, and the track crew unbolted the joints, lifted the spikes and wrestled the rails onto the flat car.  Some of the ties were loosened and thrown off the roadbed.  The photographers got terrific photos.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: James Patten on April 22, 2018, 12:02:58 AM
A photo of the horse and flatcar train:
(https://i.imgur.com/9xD9kd2.png)
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Joe Fox on April 22, 2018, 12:12:42 AM
Track removal went very well, and we managed to pull up most of the 16 rails we loaded with only 10 guys, and a few more arrived near the end just as we were all getting exhausted. Thank you to everyone who helped. We loaded 16 rails in 1 hour and 15 minutes. Job well done to our dedicated volunteers.

A common question was how they did it so fast back in the day? Ties were probably virtually non existant, and the rail was just thrown on the car without consideration.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Mike Fox on April 22, 2018, 01:03:16 AM
Joes pics

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Resized952018042195164819_zpstjrqkyil.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Resized952018042195164915_zpszinvslk0.jpg)

(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/Resized952018042195164951_zpsffgnpmcf.jpg)
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Mike Fox on April 22, 2018, 01:05:10 AM
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0421180743_zpsurdqidqs.jpg)

 (http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m573/miketrainnut/0421180742_zpsfnj5szgm.jpg)
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on April 22, 2018, 01:55:42 AM
Outstanding work and pics!
The horse shot is priceless, belongs in Trains, Railfan & Railroad.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Bob Springs on April 22, 2018, 02:19:06 AM
I thought it might be nice to back-date the color shot.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: John McNamara on April 22, 2018, 05:14:42 AM
While we're doing PhotoShop, how about an experimental left-right flip in addition to the b&w?
-John M
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Joe Fox on April 22, 2018, 09:28:18 AM
One of the editors of Railfan & Railroad was one of our attendees.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Kevin Madore on April 22, 2018, 12:22:04 PM
Outstanding work and pics!
The horse shot is priceless, belongs in Trains, Railfan & Railroad.

It will certainly make it into Railfan & Railroad as their Editor, Steve Barry, was with us on the charter all day.  Steve was very anxious to get his photos of the track lifting operation into Lightroom, as am I.   That was a very unique re-creation of a historic, albeit sad event in the railroad's history.  Pretty cool stuff!

/Kevin Madore
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on April 22, 2018, 12:24:01 PM
In the photo, what in the world is Jason doing  ??? ??

Jeff S.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Kevin Madore on April 22, 2018, 12:25:50 PM
A common question was how they did it so fast back in the day? Ties were probably virtually non existant, and the rail was just thrown on the car without consideration.

Jason also mentioned to the photographers that the original railroad was built with 30 lb. rail, vs. the 50 lb. stuff that was used in the section of the museum trackage that was lifted yesterday.  That also goes a long way toward explaining the smaller crew we see in that historic photo.   Those rails you guys were lifting yesterday were heavy buggers.

/Kevin Madore
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Kevin Madore on April 22, 2018, 12:29:05 PM
In the photo, what in the world is Jason doing  ??? ??

Jeff S.

If I recall correctly, Jason was talking with the photographers.  Our group was working with Jason to coordinate photo positions.   We felt that if we could all move as a group from spot to spot, everyone would have better opportunities to get photos without other photographers in their frames.   That worked great.   

/Kevin Madore
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Gordon Cook on April 22, 2018, 02:03:18 PM
In the photo, what in the world is Jason doing  ??? ??

Jeff S.

Jason was the photographer director, and they are off camera to the left (west) in that picture. I assume he was either directing or otherwise talking to the  photographers.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: John McNamara on April 22, 2018, 04:40:29 PM
In the photo, what in the world is Jason doing  ??? ??

Jeff S.
I suspect that he is directing the photographers somehow.
-John M
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on April 22, 2018, 04:44:57 PM
Big Time does as BT is!!
Congrats, Cecil B DeMille Jason.  8)
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Mike Fox on April 22, 2018, 08:24:19 PM
Sunday Funday.. With limited time to Get R Done, it was decided that Sunday morning was the only available time to get the grading done for the Spring work weekend.

Started off the morning moving the rest of the rail and pulling ties. Took me almost 2 hours to do that. Then set to work removing a cross culvert to lower it to improve drainage. I was supposed to ditch if I could, but did not have time. That can be done later.

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Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Bob Holmes on April 22, 2018, 11:33:21 PM
WOW! Compare Mike's pic to Joe's on the previous day.  Amazing.

Trust Mike to get the ditching done to prevent the problem in the future...
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Joe Fox on April 23, 2018, 01:41:02 AM
Someone asked on facebook if video was grabbed, but I dont know if any video was captured, so hear is how the sequence would be as follows. The ok to move the car ahead was given by the track boss, then the horse team and brakeman moved it ahead until the track boss said "thats good."  Next a crew of claw bars pulled spikes, a crew unbolted bolts as needed, a guy would beat the joint bars to knock them loose. Once all of that was completed, the track boss told the crew which rail to go for, everyone grabbed hold. Then the boss said "everybody ready, 1, 2, 3, lift. South." Once the rail was on the car the crew slid it into place, and went after the next rail for the same process. Then its all rinse and repeat. The crew did a fantastic job, and from start to finish we loaded all 16 rails in 75 minutes, or an average of 9.4 minutes between moving the car.

Each rail weighed in at around 500-540lbs. Plus joint bars, spikes, etc the final combined weight of the car was close to 6 tons.

Prior to all of this, some prep work was done to speed things up a bit more. My favorite line of the hole day was when Dave B said "My Joe you sound an awefull lot like Dana" in between shoving the rail on the flat car to which I replied in correct sequence as we moved our hands to slide the rail again, "Dana says North, I say... South" That gave everyone a good chuckle as we slid the rail south once more. A HUGE thank you to our dedicated crew, as I know track work is by no means an easy one.

In other news, I will be at the railroad 7:00a.m. Tuesday and Wednesday to do prep work for the work weekend. I am planning on a 10 to 10 & a 1/2 hour day Tuesday, and most Wednesday will hopefully be shorter, but I am doubtfull. There is much to do, and my railroad time during my vacation week is limited to 4 days.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Al Michelis on April 23, 2018, 02:21:29 PM
Here is some video Eric Schade posted on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og4clArzr5A
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on April 23, 2018, 07:01:56 PM
Week of April 23, 2018.  It will be a full one.

Bridge.  Install ice and water shield.  Install cross diagaonals (with Tim).  Host a videographer on Wednesday for a documentary. 

Mountain survey.  Rick will lay out a proposed series of curves through the Pinch Point on the Mountain. 

Prepare rail and joint bars for relaying on Davis grade (Joe, Tuesday).

Dig in a small french drain on rebuild area.

Pre-drill ties if time (Tuesday).

Lay out ties (Wednesday).

Prep tooling for tie changing (possibly digger, or tie removal "ladders").

Friday will be track laying day.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Dave Buczkowski on April 23, 2018, 07:21:20 PM
"Pre-drill ties if time (Tuesday)."

As my friend Alain would say "Sacre bieu!. Mais non!" Say it ain't so Jason!
Dave
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on April 23, 2018, 07:51:28 PM
For the uneducated on this forum, what is a tie removal "ladder"?

Jeff S.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Joe Fox on April 23, 2018, 07:56:27 PM
A tie ladder is something our friends at the Bucksghada & western 2' gauge railroad use in PA. It sits over the rail to allow better leverage fpr using a bar to remove a tie. Theres a series of runs to allow the bar to be loved as the tie progresses.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on April 23, 2018, 08:49:45 PM
I have used what Joe refers to as a "tie ladder," and it works quite well. The absolute most important thing, however, is that the lining bar used to move the tie have a sharp tip that really digs into the tie. Otherwise, the person using the bar must be very careful not to fall down!

It's also very helpful to "wake the tie up" by using a pick to loosen the ballast along both sides of the tie.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Alan Downey on April 23, 2018, 10:21:50 PM
All,

Big changes are coming to the car shop this weekend! As James alluded to in the work update for last weekend, Kyle Irving-Moroz was helping develop a "final" layout for the new machine shop. Last fall the board approved a proposal to relocate the machine shop from the home it's occupied since Bay 4's construction, to Car Shop Extension. In place of the machine shop, all of the woodworking equipment will be pulled from the scattered and awkward locations throughout the building, and consolidated into Bay 4. We had a number of significant reasons for deciding to make this change, but to briefly summarize- this will put us in a far better position to perform the restoration and construction efforts of our wooden rail equipment, while also allowing the machine shop to B R E A T H E, and perform the work that we have already been doing more safely and efficiently. This move was going to happen in fits and starts, but as things often happen here- opportunity knocked- and then flooded in when we opened the door.

In order for Josh Recave to get the new machine shop wired up the weekend following the work weekend, we are going to move everything this weekend. All machine shop equipment will be taken off-line and moved to the south extension. This includes the small lathe, and the big drill press. Thus- please do not expect any of the said equipment to be usable for the duration of the work weekend through at least the following weekend. This will be a major effort and cause a bit of short term pain- but should pay dividends when the dust settles.

I am working on some other major enhancements to the car shop which aren't quite ready for public notice yet, but I hope that we will continue to have exciting developments with respect to improving of the utility of the car shop in 2018.

Thank you for everyone's cooperation!
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Mike Fox on April 23, 2018, 11:15:32 PM
Please, please , please remember that the items being moved are big and heavy, and if an accident happens it could be life changing. If everyone works slowly and together, the move will go just fine. Don't try to rush.. Think the moves out and discuss each move before each move...
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Joe Fox on April 24, 2018, 12:00:11 AM
The tie ladder I have seen was used with a ligning bar between the rung and the butt end of the tie for full leverage.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on April 24, 2018, 01:24:44 AM
Eric...your video is great, really wanted to see the team easily pull the loaded rail car.
Strong, quiet animals. Fantastic!
Five stars!
Good luck to all with a week's worth of substantial  improvements ahead.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Joe Fox on April 24, 2018, 01:43:00 AM
Here are some videos taken by Sandra Piche, Bill Piche's mom.

Loading the rail.
https://youtu.be/98dLV2rE3UU

Moving the flat car.
https://youtu.be/YjlgnCmuiMw

Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on April 24, 2018, 08:22:50 PM
Sandra...also great vids.
Thanks!
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Joe Fox on April 25, 2018, 12:57:42 AM
We drilled 3/4 of the holes today in the rails needed to be relayed on Friday. With final preparations still being set in place, this will be a very busy work weekend. This weekend is key to ensuring many other projects can be done. See the work weekend thread for additional plans, and detailed work.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: James Patten on April 25, 2018, 11:01:08 AM
Anticipated work for the weekend of April 27 - 29: Spring Work Weekend! :D

* Track work: Friday track laying on Davis grade; Saturday ballasting, jacking and tamping on the approaches, with ditching/tie loading in the work zone; Sunday finishing up any work.  If time and crews allow, a tie change crew will operate south of the work zone.
* Percival house: Building the stairs for the 2nd floor and first floor north doors.
* Car shop: undergoing an extreme makeover between the extension and the machine shop.  Machines are being moved around.
* Bridge
* Food

Saturday just before supper will be a volunteer recognition presentation.
Saturday at supper will be the rules review.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: ALAIN DELASSUS on April 25, 2018, 03:23:41 PM
Hi !
While  I was lying around doing nothing in my hometown you guys were doing a hell of job on the track . I was a  member of the track crew in decades on the AMTP so I know track works are no picnic but they are essential. No track no train.  I've really enjoyed the photos and the videos they 've have reminded me of  a lot of good memories. We have never used horses in Pithiviers,  I do admire the way their owners master them on this difficult terrain. Bravo you all !
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Stewart "Start" Rhine on April 27, 2018, 10:45:49 PM
Spring Work Weekend: Day #1, Friday, April 27th

* Track - Dana's crew put the rails back on Davis grade, reconnecting the railroad between Brook Crossing and Sutters.  The track is now ready for stone ballast on Saturday.

* Percival House - Much progress on building the two story porch with the posts in place and second floor porch roughed in.

* Machine shop - The moving of two large lathes and other rearranging took place in the shop south extension along with some cleaning and removal of equipment in bay 4.

* Tamper - Jay worked on the machine most of the day.  It's rumored that the operators seat now has a cup holder.

* Boxcar #67 - The grab irons and ladder rungs were prime painted. 

* RC4 - The mechanical brakes were adjusted on the railcar.

* Lantern Sale - Linda reports about $1,000 made so far.

* Meals - Nancy Weeks and her crew put on a nice lunch and wonderful supper.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Joe Fox on April 28, 2018, 12:23:44 AM
The track crew spiked 310' of rail today with 14 guys in the morning, and around 21-22 in the afternoon. With crew size, that is excellent work. This fall we have a big push, so we need to get as much track building time as possible. Today we got off to a late start, departed around 8:30a.m.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: James Patten on April 28, 2018, 11:01:37 PM
SWW Day 2: Saturday April 28:

* Track: Tie replacement in the morning on the north side of Brook Crossing partway down Davis Grade, along with some ballasting.  The newly relaid section got ballast in the afternoon, along with more tie replacement.  The ballast that was at AC is now gone.  The section that had a lot of ties replaced got attention from the tamper.  The ties that were replaced were laid 20 years ago.
* Percival House: The crew worked on the main floor porch and stairs off the north door, and it was nearly ready to use by end of day.
* Machine shop: Much re-arranging occurred, and some machines and equipment in Bay 4 have been moved out for installation in the extension.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Bob Holmes on April 28, 2018, 11:34:34 PM
After the weekend is over, PICTURES please!  We all want to share with SWW progress...
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Gary Kraske on April 28, 2018, 11:43:23 PM
Eagerly awaiting pictorial exhibits of the written progress being made!  Thank you.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Joe Fox on April 29, 2018, 01:22:43 AM
As a note, track crew replaced 63 ties today (In One Day). That is fantastic, and a job well done. On top of that, we ballasted 650' of track, and tamped and jacked 150'. Although we won't get it all done this weekend, the efforts have been amazing. Thank you everyone for the hard work put into the track the last few days.
Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Alex Harvilchuck on August 02, 2018, 01:12:09 PM
The worst of the dam damage.. Steve Z is looking at the dam pictured in the second photo.

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Jason called and covered the bases with the Maine Warden Service, eventually talking with a biologist I believe. We were given instructions on how to encourage the beavers to move on. He was told to just remove a little of the dam early in the morning so the water drops gradually. This will need to be repeated all summer when needed, until trapping season this fall or winter, when ever it is, when a trapper can come remove them. Jason was told that a big removal of a large part of the dam would result in a quick drop in the water, and the beavers would think the dam was weak and build it twice as strong the next time.

With all the work to the north going on, how are our friends the beavers doing with their dam dams damage to the south?

For sake of completeness, I'll dredge up some old photos from Duncan Mackiewicz on another old thread http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,276.60.html (http://forum.wwfry.org/index.php/topic,276.60.html)
I'll in-line the pictures since over the last 10 years everyone should be off dial-up internet connections.  ;)

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Title: Re: April 2018 work planning
Post by: Mike Fox on August 02, 2018, 02:09:56 PM
We wound up hiring a trapper a couple months ago. Removed 5 beavers. Plenty more up there. When beaver season gets here, we are hoping to get more removed for free...