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Title: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on January 31, 2018, 11:02:01 AM
Anticipated work for Saturday Feb 3:

A cold stiff wind is forecast for this day.
* Trout Brook bridge zone tree clearing.
* Boxcar 67
* Archives
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on February 01, 2018, 12:06:16 AM
Stiff wind from the south will help..

We have some trees to cut at the Trout Brook site. One big Pine, heavily leaning south I want to fall north...

Plenty of other bushes and brush that will be close to the fire. So plenty to keep several sombodies busy.

A good day will complete the tree cutting in the permitted area of the bridge. We can then start cleaning up to the north, between the bridge site and the road.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on February 01, 2018, 12:14:29 AM
Saturday will also feature an expedition, of sorts, at TOM. We will be laying out and mapping snowshoeing trails for the 2/17 Steam Train Snow Day.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on February 01, 2018, 12:25:06 AM
Ed,
I can point you to a loop trail if you need..used to be an ATV trail. Take a saw with you. Almost can bet there is a tree down..
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on February 01, 2018, 01:07:17 AM
Jason and Steve are planning the trail. I'm just drawing the map.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: John McNamara on February 01, 2018, 01:09:25 AM
Tours of Porcupine Palace?
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on February 01, 2018, 08:46:01 AM
Mike, 

The loop trail is what I had mind.  If you’d mark your recollection on a map Saturday morning, it’d be good to work from.  I was going to go up the mill spur and continue out to the Palace, then swing around the ridge above the Brook, then south and back west.

I don’t anticipate taking much crew away from you for long- but tree work is a priority.

Ed, can you email a topo map f the area that I can print?

Thanks,
Jason

Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on February 01, 2018, 12:42:42 PM
Could be an after lunch adventure, when the cutting is done. I can give approximate on a map, but it won't be accurate. It will be about 15 minutes of walking.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on February 03, 2018, 10:15:41 PM
Work done on Saturday Feb 3:

* Trout Brook tree clearing: We got rid of the big pine tree by the stream, but Mike couldn't make it go north because the chain kept breaking.  The third time the tree took a dive toward the stream.  Fortunately the ice was pretty thick so the tree didn't break through and people could walk around on the ice cleaning up the branches.  A few more trees were cut early to get the fire going.
* Top of Mountain: A crew went up after lunch to blaze a trail for the mid-month trains.
* Boxcar 67: Zack was working on that.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Bob Holmes on February 03, 2018, 11:33:32 PM
Hopefully, what you are doing with the loop trail is to make it a permanent fixture at TOM, for snowshoeing in the winter, and hiking in the summer.  Ultimately, it should have clearing, blazing and ongoing maintenance to make it a permanent destination attraction for a broader audience than just railfans.

Bob
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on February 04, 2018, 01:07:50 AM
It is so nice it is hard to imagine it any other way. When you get back in the woods, it really feels isolated and wild. We talked of converting the flagging tape to a more permanent blaze when we were out this afternoon.

Steve
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on February 07, 2018, 11:10:50 AM
Anticipated work for Saturday Feb 10:

* Boxcar 67
* Trout Brook to 218 tree trash burning (and cutting?).  There'll be a foot of snow on it.
* Board meeting 4:00
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on February 07, 2018, 04:19:56 PM
The tree trash that is piled is all hardwood. We will have to handle it. There are some pine limbs to take down that could be used as fire starters, and a fir tree. A good day will clean it up.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on February 10, 2018, 11:21:57 PM
Work done on Saturday Feb 10:

* Tree trimming: mostly limbing on the RR right of way south of Rt 218.
* Boxcar 67: Zack was working on grabirons.
* Backhoe/tie inserter: Jay was looking at things (the cylinders are back having been rehabbed).
* Giftshop: Linda was cleaning and organizing.
* Machine shop: Jason and Alan were hatching something...
* Plowing: The diesel plowed the line.
* Board meeting.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on February 11, 2018, 04:50:24 AM
Bet that tie inserter will save LOTS of drudgery out on the line, especially with more track coming.  ;)
Ya gotta run a demo video!
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on February 11, 2018, 02:13:24 PM
Bet that tie inserter will save LOTS of drudgery out on the line, especially with more track coming.  ;)
Ya gotta run a demo video!

I have a feeling it will get a good workout during Spring Work Weekend.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on February 11, 2018, 02:14:43 PM
Work done on Saturday Feb 10:

* Machine shop: Jason and Alan were hatching something...

Ducks??? :o

Jeff S.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on February 11, 2018, 02:50:56 PM
Work done on Saturday Feb 10:

* Machine shop: Jason and Alan were hatching something...

Ducks??? :o

Jeff S.
.

Well Jeff, there is the steam locomotive shop mascot duck that occasionally appears in various photos of projects in the machine shop.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on February 11, 2018, 02:52:52 PM
Bet that tie inserter will save LOTS of drudgery out on the line, especially with more track coming.  ;)
Ya gotta run a demo video!

I have a feeling it will get a good workout during Spring Work Weekend.

Jeff S.

My understanding that the planned SWW work on Davis Grade will provide the opportunity for the new tie inserter to prove it's mettle.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on February 11, 2018, 04:04:59 PM
Tie insterter will not be able to be used on the large part of the Davis Grade project, due to the planned work. But on other locations it will come in handy
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on February 13, 2018, 12:56:57 PM
Saturday Mountain Extension Work Plan:

We have gotten permission from the DEP to clear trees from the permitted Section 3 "Pinch Point" area!  This will be done, along with burning as much of that new slash, and old slash remaining from prior clearing on Section 4.

Mike will drive up first thing in the AM.

Diesel work train with one coach will depart SS 8:30AM.  Volunteers who want to help with cutting and burning are encouraged to ride this train, however feel free to ride a later public train up to the action. 

Steam passenger trains will begin running at 10AM with two coaches.  They will run at least hourly, last train leaving SS at 2PM.

There will be a caboose set up at ToM with heat, hot chocolate, and Steve P to host the public.

Should be a good shin-dig, we hope to see you!!

see ya
Jason
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on February 13, 2018, 04:33:11 PM
Hi Folks,

To help us get us started on the right foot this Saturday I'll be cooking up a breakfast of eggs, biscuits, meats, and fruit along with coffee and tea to wash it all down. I'll make eggs to order, but if you want poached, you might be on your own. I'll have breakfast up starting at 7:30 and will be clearing up at 8:15 before the work train departs.

See you there,
Steve
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on February 13, 2018, 06:37:47 PM
Davis Grade's coming  work will see lots of tie replacement. But the new inserter won't be used ??
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on February 13, 2018, 06:54:58 PM
The plan is to replace ALL the ties on Davis curve. This will be accomplished by removing the rail (temporarily), repairing the subgrade, placing new ties, then putting the rail and ballast back in place.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Joe Fox on February 13, 2018, 07:59:39 PM
Due to the significance of the repair, and the amount of work our volunteer man power efforts will be better utilized helping with this. If we did it with the machine, we would need to keep the track in place, and the finish product would not be nearly as good as if we removed the track.

The plan is to remove around 600' of track, level off the left over ballast to use as sub grade. Then put the track back down, reballast, and lift and tamp accordingly. This will give us new track, and a really well packed and tamped stretch of track that will finally be up out of the mud. The track in the current North end of Davis grade is sitting about an inch into the dirt, which is what prompted the need for this repair.

Currently it is not a dire repair, however as mentioned by Jason, this will be our last work weekend where we will have a chance to do this kind of work for a few years.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on February 13, 2018, 09:59:38 PM
After reading the old News Letters (circa 2000) 600 feet seems to be a very ambitious
project for one (?) day.
Will you be putting down fabric? Isn't that where the track crew back then complained of soft ground?
Jason you were leading then.

Don't know if it would help others "from away", but if the photographer could put a card with the
"location" number in the pic, or in the caption, it would help visualize what is going on.
I know it is one more thing for overworked Mike but would help in the archives 20-30 years in the future.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on February 13, 2018, 10:19:13 PM
Carl -- This will be THE major project of the work weekend, beginning Friday morning and running through Sunday afternoon. I am sure there will be plenty of pre-work weekend staging of materials and other preliminary work. If they elect to pull all the spikes and bar the rails off the ties and out of the way, clearing the grade will go pretty fast. As for actually building the track, the WW&F gang has laid more than 1200 feet of rail starting on a bare grade in three days, so this 600 feet should be a walk in the park -- unless it's raining. Getting stone down on the whole works and getting it surfaced may be another story, but they are nothing if not persistent.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on February 13, 2018, 10:22:00 PM
See my reply in the Spring work weekend thread..
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Carl G. Soderstrom on February 14, 2018, 03:45:53 AM
OK
So it is not a between trains exercise ;D LOL
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on February 14, 2018, 10:51:49 AM
Anticipated work for Saturday Feb 17:

* Steam Train Snow Day (or however it's being billed): Public steam trains to ToM for snoeshoeing, X-country skiing, looking at our cutting & burning progress
* Mountain ROW Clearing: We'll be clearing trees at the Pinch Point location
* Boxcar 67
* Whitefield Lions Club Train & Dollhouse Show: At the Augusta Civic Center (just to cause confusion), we have a table there.

Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Paul Uhland on February 14, 2018, 09:18:13 PM
Did not realize you guys planned a good-sized, total track and roadbed rebuild at that spot.  Much too big a job for one lonely tie inserter.   :P
But...its day will come.  ;)
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Fred Morse on February 14, 2018, 09:37:40 PM
All those ties were put in mud. The water doesn't flow fast in those ditches. We didn't have much money then, I think we were counting each stone we put down. Now were doing great. You might say were on a roll. Hope it keeps going. Each year on the work weekends most everyone returns, maybe a little older but ready to get it done. and we will get it done!
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Baskerville on February 15, 2018, 01:54:01 AM
Fred,

We all come back to see what you have cut down and how you are doing.  Catching up on "Fred'isms" is the most fun of the work weekends.

Plus, we all aspire to be as active as you are as we wend our way through life.

Bill
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on February 18, 2018, 12:20:52 AM
The "official report" hasn't been filled out yet, here, so I'll start, with the Augusta Train Show report.  Marcel and I were there the whole day, with John R showing up in the morning to help unpack and again in the afternoon to help pack.

We did very well at the show, probably about average for the last several years, better than we did last year.  Thanks to the Square sales system, we could see how Sheepscot was doing compared to us.  It seemed to me that there were few vendors than previous years (I thought I saw larger aisles), but asking the show director he said there were actually more.

We had flyers for the snow trains, but I can't say that anyone from the show went.  It was actually a little tough to do, as it's about an hour's drive between the two locations.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on February 18, 2018, 12:29:55 AM
Sheepscot report in outline form:

About 30 volunteers signed the book.
Steve P served breakfast as planned.  A nice beginning (though I was late and missed the meat... )
Work train departed at 8:31.
All of locajton 3 was cut, save for a few trees. 
Two fires burned all of today’s brush.
Public trains ran as planned 10-2, hourly.
Steve P (with others) manned 320, staged on the mill spur at ToM, as a warming hut and sign in location.  (At one point I walked by and heard him playing his accordion and singing Bingo was his namo... must have been good).  Hot cocoa and project info could also be found in there.
74 paid, I believe just under 100 total head count.

On the last trip, x9 dropped its two coaches (3 and BRV’s 11) on the mill spur, went over the hill to retrieve 8 w workers on board, went back up to add in the first to coaches, and brought all 3 back.

Many families w kids, and most actually did hike the trails- so very pleased with how well this idea worked.  Truly let the train be transportation instead of the focal point.  At least a couple of families ventured down to the cutting crews as well. 

Others who attended- please feel free to add to this!

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on February 18, 2018, 12:35:54 AM
As reported in the Down the Mountain Tree Clearing thread, we cut off the Pinch Point today. About 200 feet long, 20 feet wide. A very good crew, after a slow start. We wound up with 20 to 25 or so volunteers wandering in and out of the ditches, cutting bushes and piling brush on the fire, and stacking the wood.

Steam crew was entertaining us with the whistles echoing up the valley. I was also busy first thing and missed the breakfast. Train was to leave at 0830 and had to be assembled

Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: John McNamara on February 18, 2018, 12:37:10 AM
A friend and I visited Porcupine Palace and snowshoed the circle trail. An excellent event on all counts. Everything was very well organized. Except for one kid who was crying a lot (and settled down after bottle and video), everyone was having a great time. I forecast many happy returns. :)
-John M
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Piche on February 18, 2018, 01:30:34 AM
Much appreciation from the MNG folks on giving us a ride up to the B&SR 7 work site today. You could ski down the driveway on ice skates so the train making flag stops was very much appreciated.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on February 18, 2018, 01:46:11 AM
Is that a new Olympic sport, ski ice skating?
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Bill Reidy on February 18, 2018, 02:02:27 AM
Serving as brakeman on the work train today, I was very happy to see we had the opportunity to make a stop at Sheepscot Mills this morning to let off passengers.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on February 19, 2018, 03:54:19 PM
Work this week:

Tuesday looks to be (unusually) quiet, as I need to stay home with my daughter, who is ill.  Some of the other regulars are away for various reasons, so if you're watching here and thinking of coming, Wednesday would be far better. 

Wednesday we'll be full force again.  Plan to work on the Mountain, cutting a few trees, and perhaps doing some additional surveying.  Back up plan is shop work, on No 10's boiler, along with various other ongoing efforts.

Next week expect a normal busy Tuesday and Wednesday.

see ya
Jason
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on February 21, 2018, 10:57:55 AM
Anticipated work for Saturday Feb 24:

* Mountain ROW: more tree clearing and burning somewhere on the hill.
* Boxcar 67
* Archives: The Archives got a new laptop, will need to be set up (my job unless someone else volunteers).
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Mike Fox on February 21, 2018, 01:09:34 PM
We may try at Trout Brook to burn what piles we have, and maybe finish cutting. Was plowed after last storm so should be easy walking.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on February 22, 2018, 08:15:45 PM
How did Wednesday's work go?
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on February 22, 2018, 09:02:31 PM
Plans changed Wednesday as I was ill (with my daughters strep throat), and we were short on diesel engineers.  Instead, the guys prepped no 9 for its annual internal.  That occurs next week; after that we’ll do our other annual work including water glass and fusible plug change, hydro, stay hammer, etc.  then reassemble and run again by mid March. 

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: John McNamara on February 22, 2018, 09:11:51 PM
I remember many moons ago, you and I discussed fusible plugs. I didn't realize that we had some. Does 10 have them?
-John
p.s. get well soon.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Wayne Laepple on February 22, 2018, 09:25:29 PM
Thanks for the update, Jason. Hope you recover rapidly. Strep is no fun at all.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Jason M Lamontagne on February 22, 2018, 10:36:08 PM
10’s old boiler did not have them.  The new one will.  There are several suppliers we’ve found.

See ya
Jason
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Ed Lecuyer on February 22, 2018, 10:44:25 PM
Ok, I'll bite, what is a fusible plug?
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on February 22, 2018, 11:07:13 PM
It fills a hole in the firebox to the water/steam side; the idea is that if the crownsheet gets exposed, the plug is softer than the metal around it and melts, thus causing the steam to put out the fire.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Philip Marshall on February 22, 2018, 11:09:06 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusible_plug (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusible_plug)
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: James Patten on February 24, 2018, 08:16:53 PM
Work done on Saturday Feb 24:

* Mountain Extension ROW: Burning and some cutting happened between Trout Brook and 218.
* Machine shop: Alan was doing something involving a welder.  And other stuff, don't know what.
* Archives: Successful transfer of programs and data to the new laptop, but it wasn't easy.
   - FYI, yesterday the Archives received some material from Leonard Atwood and the FS&K (Franklin, Somerset & Kennebec) railroad. 
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Jeff Schumaker on February 25, 2018, 01:37:45 PM
FS&K? Wow! I've found a few news blurbs in the 1897 issues of the Gardner REPORTER-JOURNAL.

Jeff S.
Title: Re: February 2018 Work Planning
Post by: Stephen Piwowarski on February 26, 2018, 12:38:19 AM
I'll leave it to Linda about how much she wants to reveal about the specifics of the acquisition, but in total it includes 26 letters from Leonard Atwood to the Engineer of the FS&K along with 5 or 6 engineering/surveying notebooks regarding the project.

The first letter, from late March of 1901 (I believe) is printed on a unique FS&K letterhead with a proposed map on the back. The last is from late April. There is nearly 1 letter each day during the month of April concerning the day to day operation of the FS&K in Maine while Atwood was in Philadelphia attempting to arrange financing.

Tomorrow we will be transcribing letters from the originals.

Very excited about the prospect of learning more about Atwood's endeavors by seeing what we can glean from the letters.

Steve P.